Gotta disagree with ya Scott, Brock will go over at Summerslam no doubt in my mind. Unless Vince brought him back just to job to his top guys, it makes no sense for HHH to go over. The scenerio I see is Big Johnny coming back at SS and helping Brock win and after the match they beat the holy hell out of Vince and HHH. The story could be that after Johnny got fired, he got in Brock's ear and talked him into coming back to get his revenge on Vince and HHH. Your thoughts? EM
You say "Unless Vince brought him back just to job to his top guys" like it's some kind of ridiculous notion. Vince brought him back just to job to his top guys, I think it's pretty obvious now.
Yknow, I understand the logic behind putting regular employees over visitors like Brock, but, like, damn...water your plant before you try to harvest. A win means nothing if you didn't put some doubt that he'd lose out there.
ReplyDeleteI think their way of putting doubt out there is Paul Heyman saying the match will be a mercy killing and HHH has no chance again Lesnar. But in this community, we are smarky and critical. To the 10 year old WWE fan, its "Yay, I really want Summerslam to see if HHH beats the mean UFC guy"
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying adults dont contribute to buying tickets, DVDs, etc. but maybe not as much as their target audience.
Obvious from that one match he wrestled?
ReplyDeleteTheir target audience doesn't know who Paul Heyman is.
ReplyDeleteBut I believe they still use RAW to move along their storylines.
ReplyDeleteThey know Paul Heyman is the UFC guy's evil agent, and that's enough for this angle. Only Triple H brought up his past at all.
ReplyDeleteHe was gone for years. He returns, is built up for 3 weeks, and jobs to Cena. Then he disappears for months. I don't think they're using him for any long-term, big picture storyline. They'll just build him up for each feud with the guys they want him to put over. I could see them using him more in the fall or winter to build to something bigger at Wrestlemania. Maybe they'd give him the title then since they could use him more. But I'd bet anything this storyline is just to put him in a match with HHH because he's next on the list to get a win over Brock.
ReplyDeleteBrock might get the last laugh on HHH, but if the last ten years taught us anything, it's that HHH will fire the first, and most important shot. And suck any money-making heat imaginable from it in the process.
ReplyDeleteI think saying “Vince brought him back just to job to his top guys” is giving WWE too much credit for having any sort of logical direction whatsoever.
ReplyDeletePeople act like Cena derp, derp, derped his way over Brock. As far as I'm concerned Cena got a fluke win. Hopefully they'll build that up going in to Summerslam.
ReplyDeleteIt would make me irrationally happy for Rock to come in and job to Punk and Bryan. If Bryan kicks Rock in the face and screams, "you're not better than me!" at Rock then I might immortalize that moment in song.
ReplyDeleteRight. I think it's possible that Vince got scared with the Cena match and switched the decision, but it does not make financial sense to job Lesnar the entire year. I'm not sure how many matches he's contracted to work, but I see him winning a couple of matches before he starts giving people the rub again. I'd peg Sheamus and The Rock to get a couple of wins against him after that.
ReplyDeleteContrary to public pessimism, it makes the most sense to job HHH to Lesnar because 1. HHH is a big name, so much so that it seems like a superfight. 2. HHH's status with the company is solidified. 3. HHH's status with the fans is solidified. HHH essentially has nothing to lose. Any other guy on the active roster is seen in a negative light if they lose a big match against a part-timer. On the flip side, Lesnar has much to gain. The only guy HHH has lost to in the last few years is the Undertaker, and a win over HHH the wrestler and the suit will propel him to big time matches in the autumn months.
Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind if HHH calls Vince to a private meeting shortly before Summerslam and explains how him preserving his king of kings reign is what's good and right for "business."
*Teddy Long's wife lays in bed, clad in lingerie*
ReplyDelete"Teddy, dear, are you coming to bed? It's our anniversary."
(You know it's the MacMilitant! Coming to get it on...)
*T-Lo struts into bedroom, mic in hand*
"Now hold on a second there, playa! Now it seems to me that you think you're gonna get some of that Teddy Long Loving tonight! Well....that ain't gonna happen tonight, playa, ya feel me?
But I tell you what I'm gonna do. Since you're so eager for a little of that late-night thuggin-n-buggin and you're all dressed up for action, then tonight...in that very bed....you will go one on one....
WITH DAH UNDAHTAKAH! Holla holla!"
*struts out of bedroom*
*bedroom lights go out*
*gong*
*lights come on, Teddy Long's wife sees Undertaker in bed next to her, lowering his straps*
"Buckle up, Mrs. Long!"
*eyes roll back, lights go out, druid candles lit up*
*gong*
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.....Oh, HHH is gonna win that Summerslam match, of course.
My hope for them not jobbing Brock to HHH is eventually even they realize that Brock can't be a draw if he loses every match. They aren't paying him all that money not to make any money off of him.
ReplyDeleteI really can't see Lesnar jobbing to HHH. It wouldn't make any sense.
ReplyDeleteThere's no benefit in HHH winning and no harm in him losing, but the loss would bury Brock.
Going into Wrestlemania 0/2, Brock's match would be a significantly smaller draw.
A win against HHH would re-establish Brock as a monster, and position him to face Undertaker, Rock or Cena at WM.
And the benefit and sense of Brock Lesnar losing his first match back was....???
ReplyDeleteDid this come to you in a lucid dream or something? Lol
ReplyDeleteBrock losing the first match was surprising, but I can understand why they would want the top guy and face of the company going over.
ReplyDeleteIf HHH beats Brock then there is no where for the story to go. Brock will be dead in the water and HHH will be off TV the next week.
HHH jobbed twice in a row to a part-timer (at the last two Wrestlemanias).
ReplyDeleteHe won't lose a third straight like that.
no chance.
ReplyDeletei hate this guy.
ReplyDeleteJust like last year, when HHH laid down for the hottest act in wrestling at Night of Champions to help propel him to the next level, too! Oh, right, that didn't happen, either, sorry.
ReplyDelete'Winged freak terrorizes'. Hmph....wait till they get a load of me.
ReplyDeleteOoohhhh.....oop....oop....HAHAHAHA
He made sure to get a pin fall victory over the fastest rising star of 2011 between those losses lest someone actually get over.
ReplyDeleteAren't we supposed to forget about it the next week just like every HHH feud since Sheamus?
ReplyDeletetypo. how could you write this and not go for the easy "Undertaker's *dong*"?
ReplyDeleteI'm all for complaining if HHH wins, but complaining about him winning before it even happens?
ReplyDeleteAre people forgetting this is HHH, the guy that lies down for no one? Two losses to the Undertaker at WM shouldn't make him into the Brooklyn Brawler.
ReplyDeleteI have a funny feeling they are paying him all that money to job a ufc guy to their own product. I don't expect him to win one match
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ReplyDeleteAs a long time smackdown fan that post cracked me up
ReplyDeleteHHH is like Hogan. He'll make you look good when he beats you. (Unless you're King Booker)
ReplyDeleteHhh is going to say he's synonymous with the wwe brand, and brock is synonymous with ufc so therefore the only right decision is for hhh to go over clean and decisively. Not only is brock jobbing but he's not getting in half the offense he got on cena.
ReplyDelete*signals to Bartender* OK, that's enough for this guy. Call him a cab.
ReplyDeleteWithout question that was the most despicable booking in my life time. Punk gets way over, so hhh comes back just to go over him and books his buddy nash to siphon heat off punk because why? I know lots of people who were checking out wwe after mitb that bailed after hhh showed up and never looked back.
ReplyDeleteThe next job Rock does will be Cena, then MAYBE the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. (I say maybe because I don't know if the match will happen, but if it does he's eating the pin.)
ReplyDeleteSomewhere in Stamford, Vince McMahon and HHH are arguing over who gets to beat Brock in a "loser leaves the WWE match" when his contract expires
ReplyDeleteWin or lose (which will most likely be win) HHH needs to do what they didn't do with Cena and taken off on a stretcher at the end of the match.
ReplyDeleteAnother problem is that Brock is not around enough to establish himself as the "mean UFC guy" to the people not familliar with him. That contract with limited dates is killing the angle.
ReplyDeleteWhat I would do is this: The 1000th RAW would start with Brock laying out HHH. Vince McMahon himself comes out and asks him what he wants. Brock says if he wants to save HHHs life he'll give him a title shot. McMahon gives him one...against Santino Marella. Brock is pissed but Heyman says something to him that makes him agree to it. Despite outside interference Brock wins the U.S. title. The following week they unveil a new U.S. title belt that has a design similar to a UFC belt. Heyman says from then on he says that he will defend the U.S. belt under MMA rules. Brock beats a few mid-carders until HHH pops up with a sledgehammer at the end of one of the matches. He says seeing him with a WWE belt makes him sick, so he wants to take it from him. Brock says that he'll give him a shot..under his terms. If HHH wins Brock will do whatever HHH wants for the remainder of his contract. If Brock wins he can come and go as he pleases for the remainer of his contract and jump in a match whenever he wants. HHH loses.
Now Brock can sit out for months at a time and the next a match would be Royal Rumble.
Ladies and germs, we have our post of the year! That was awesome!!!
ReplyDeleteI bet they book a DQ schmoz just to stretch it out to another PPV with a stip so THEN HHH can beat him.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to troll or be repetitive, but the thread I originally posted this in is slipping to the next page and unlikely to get a response. Plus, it's relevant to this thread, so I'm reposting it in the hopes that someone corrects me if I'm getting something wrong on this relative to Brock's deal and PPV numbers.
ReplyDeleteIf the reported figures (of Brock's contract) are accurate, it's not really an enormous risk they're taking. We've all heard the numbers that top guys can pull down for big PPV main events: six figures easy, sometimes high six figures, sometimes even seven.
Some quick Googling shows an estimated 251K buys for Extreme Rules, and that the five-year average of the previous five April PPVs was 194K (with a range of 182K to 216K). That's nearly $3 million more in PPV revenue over the 5-year average, or if you just want to look at last year's total, still nearly $2 million more.
Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I've read some articles talking about it being a disappointing figure, comparing it to Brock's UFC PPV numbers. Which is a pointless comparison, because whether or not they're going to turn a profit on Brock has nothing to do with his UFC numbers. They're not stupid enough to think they were going to match those numbers (I don't think they are, anyway; if they were, Brock could've commanded at least double what he got).
I say all this realizing I could be totally wrong. But if the numbers we've all heard are true, aren't they already up, like, a million bucks on this investment after his first match?
(And they could totally fuck it up from here on out, not get any additional Summerslam buys from his HHH match, and not move the needle on any other B-show PPVs he might do, etc.)
Maybe HHH's idea was that Nash and Punk would siphon heat off each other. Old & new. Weren't they supposed to have a match at one time?
ReplyDeleteI know I got back into WWE last spring/summer with the summer of Punk and was wholly unfamiliar with some upper midcard guys like Miz, Barrett, Del Rio. It was weird seeing Kevin Nash on TV when his heyday was the mid to late nineties, but at least it was a superstar I recognized.
I've said this before, but I still think it's silly to believe that HHH was deliberately trying to siphon Punk's heat or bury him. I mean...he wasn't even originally scheduled to wrestle HHH. I'm not saying it wasn't a terrible booking decision, of course it was. It was just shitty planning and making bad, rushed decisions.
ReplyDeleteThen again, I don't believe dirt sheets as gospel- haven't we had enough former writers tell us how hilariously wrong those things usually are?- or think HHH is a monster looking to destroy every up-and-comer, so maybe I'm wrong here.
I'm sort of hoping they learned from that mistake, but you may be right and I may be crazy.
ReplyDeleteThey already did the very next night. They never once acted like Brock was a loser, they acted like he destroyed Cena.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't make it any more silly that Cena went right back to being Mr. Superman who feels no long-lasting pain, but that may have also been a product of it turning out that he legit wasn't hurt as bad as they thought. Who knows. Dumb either way, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the way that match was booked.
The follow-up on the other hand, not so much, but Cena was moving onto another storyline anyway, and with Brock's deal being limited as it was, what did we expect? He was never going to be around week after week being built up as the center of the WWE universe, it was always a deal with limited dates, so a lot of the hand-wringing over what they're going to do with Brock, if not totally unwarranted, is at the very least based on a false premise.
Lol. You're right. We're arguing over an event that has yet to take place at some point in the future. Doesn't make any sense. I'm hitting the "back" button as soon as I post this.
ReplyDeleteTriple H has put over Undertaker, Cena, Batista, Orton, Jeff Hardy, Legacy in the last 5 odd years. He wins a lot and should have put over more (like Punk last year) but it's not like it's beneath Triple H to lose to Brock Lesnar.
ReplyDeleteThe biggest laugh is, who cares about wins and loses in WWE? The wrestlers? Come on. Losing will hurt Brock, but what does HHH winning mean? He gets to pretend he is somehow legit? Come on stop.
ReplyDeleteWe get it, you think pro wrestling is silly. Move on.
ReplyDeleteUndertaker hardly counts since it's at WM and that's the only outcome that makes sense. They built the entire company around Cena and Orton and Batista are HHH's best friends. So, outside of friends and people the company is built around, we're down to Legacy (which was to set up DX reuniting) and Jeff Hardy (which I don't remember at all). So, why would he lay down for the guy who truly hates wrestling and won't be coming back?
ReplyDeletemaryp is a guy? I've probably missed something (again).
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