Considering he isn't really a wrestler anymore, why are you so sure HHH will politic his way into a victory on SS? I always assumed, back when he was an active wrestler, that HHH kept himself dominant because of the whole "can't lose my spot thing". But at this point, if anyone has a secure spot it's him. Why does he care whether he wins or loses?
Exactly. Why DOES he care whether he wins or loses? The answer is "Fuck if I know," but clearly he does because he made sure to put himself over CM Punk last year. He could be out there doing jobs every night if he wanted to and making guys into stars, but he chooses not to, and it's kind of baffling. Well, not really, but baffling based on regular person logic. Considering the bromance he has with Sheamus, you'd think at the very LEAST he'd go out and lay down for the brogue kick if he wants to be a part-timer, but no, he won that one too.
I dunno, people would defend him saying "Well, he loses at Wrestlemania a lot" and yada yada, but really, the dude is going to be the OWNER OF THE COMPANY in a few years, so he SHOULD be losing! The important thing should be making money for "THIS BUSINESS" which he loves so much, so why worry about jobbing the tag titles when he was with DX or losing to Sheamus at Wrestlemania or whatever?
lol @ THIS BUSINESS
ReplyDeleteScott's preaching truth here. And this is coming from someone who enjoyed HHH immensely during feuds against Cena and Batista.
The important question: Did he put himself over Eugene?
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised the HHH/Lesnar feud hasn't come down to THIS BUSINESS (WWE) vs. THAT BUSINESS (UFC).
ReplyDeleteHHH needs to learn a lesson from Vince. Yeah, Vince took up a lot of TV time at times, but when it came down to getting in the ring, he knew what the people wanted. I can probably count on one hand the number of times we've seen Vince's hand raised in victory, particularly in a big match.
ReplyDeleteIf HHH wants to better the business, he needs to lead by example and put over anyone he wants to get over.
He went over punk for absolutely no reason. Hhh is 100x worse than Hogan in wcw.
ReplyDeleteI've been wondering:
ReplyDeleteWWE had a poll asking who we'd like to see Rock face: Big Show, Cena or Punk. Punk won the poll, then turned heel; do you think the heel turn might not have gone through if the poll results had been different?
So it's safe to say if huntor goes over at ss the entire blog will be offended including our resident contrarians?
ReplyDeleteI'll be there live to witness the ego stroke but I'm hoping punk v show v cena delivers and sheen v db is on last so I can sneak out early and beat the traffic back to la.
I remember reading an interview with Shawn Michaels, and he mentioned how back in his bad old days, he had difficulty differentiating between what was best for himself, and what was best for business. I've long had the feeling that HHH has this problem too (who did he hang around with back in the day?), and if he hasn't figured it out by now, I don't know if he ever will.
ReplyDeleteYeah but what big star ever laid down for hhh?
ReplyDeleteJericho wanted to be a rock-star. RVD was a pot-head. Booker T was one of "those people". CM Punk's a skinny fat-ass. Randy Orton was a pot-smoking, drug-taking, petulant man-child.
ReplyDeleteBrock will crush him and that very night they'll be eleventy billion posts on this very blog about how Trips isn't sellin' enough for Brock because HHH is still breathing or something. Haters gonna hate.
I'm not Trips biggest fan. But to think he's gonna be Brock Lesnar is absurd in my humble opinion.
Ironically, the biggest win that Vince ever got was over HHH.
ReplyDeletePutting people over makes them stars? Daniel Bryan begs to differ!
ReplyDeleteThe real problem with HHH/CM Punk was that Trips sold TOO MUCH for Punk! Had Triple H Pedigreed and pinned Punk in 18 seconds, Punk would've been a made man.
I thought you were being sarcastic with the list at the beginning and then it turned into HHH defending, so I really don't know what to respond with anymore.
ReplyDeleteTriple H is a professional rassler. Vince McMahon owns a professional rasslin' company.
ReplyDeleteA bit of a talent gap there.
And brock was a flake who abandoned the wwe going by retard hhh logic. Brock is doing the j o b and moving on to the next guy
ReplyDeletePuppet H hacked my twitter!
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness, Brock Lesnar will beat Triple H at Summerslam. Barring some sort of shenanigans.
I just think you give Trips a hard time sometimes that's all.
It's not like any other booker/fed owner over the past 50 years has been much different. Verne Gagne's 10th AWA World Title reign (at 54 years of age) was every bit as laughable as Vince McMahon's first.
ReplyDeleteI guess it's been pretty much forgotten, but Triple H DID lay down for Sheamus, at Extreme Rules 2010. He was "injured" for a while after the match too. I'm just saying it happened.
ReplyDeleteSeeing as how HHH is now apparently not only defending the company but also the honor of his family...well, I'm wouldn't place any bets on Brock getting his hand raised. This whole angle has turned into a weird McMahon Family morality play.
ReplyDeleteI was going to reply the same, but I think it's important to add that when he returned for his feud with Taker, he came out, put Sheamus through an announce table, and acted like nothing had happened between them b/c he had bigger fish to fry.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah I kinda forgot about that part.
ReplyDeleteNo they were building up to it for months (never getting a main event), throughout this month (Eve/Show trash talking him about his place) and during this show. He came out to confront Bryan and the Rock butted in. Punk spent most of that interview just watching from the corner with an interesting look on his face.
ReplyDeleteNext Monday he'll talk about all of this, probably at the top of the 9 o'clock hour.
Yeah, who were those Austin, Rock & Foley fellows anyway? They never really drew a dime;)
ReplyDeleteSimple answer: he's got a tiny dick from taking too many steroids.
ReplyDeleteImagine how over he'd be if he beat somebody.
ReplyDeleteI don't see why either guy is going to necessarily win. I think the only thing you can count on is that WWE indeed doesn't operate using any kind of "regular person logic," and that you just can't be sure what the fuck they're thinking of doing. The only thing I would put money on is that whatever the outcome, they'll probably completely fuck the angle up on RAW.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was a clear sarcasm list, but upon the ending being "we're too hard on HHH", I'm left to wonder if it wasn't sarcasm, and then I'm like "Woahhhh with the racism". I'm gonna go with an unclear post and give him the benefit of the doubt.
ReplyDeleteur last sebtebce is whats wrong.
ReplyDeletewho he wants over.
if the fans are yelling for punk why put over sheamus?
hogan had total creative control of his character.
ReplyDeleteblame the wcw braintrust. not hogan.
i was gonna type that.
ReplyDeleteit seems like the only time hhh gets faces heat is when he os defending the mcmahon family.
ReplyDeleteI wouldnt bet on it.
ReplyDeleteWhile the 'E dod a great job in setting up a few main events (for SS, Rumble, and presumably maybe even Wrestlemania) for the next 8 months, consistency in weekly storylines isnt always their strong point. Your reasoning is sound but it wouldnt shock me if WWE ignored it.
Actually for once i think the E may have this one planned out. Since Rock is only gonna wrestle a couple of times they probably have no choice.
ReplyDeleteIt looks to me like what they're gonna do is have Punk make it to the Rumble as champion (which is kinda crazy in a way but it does seem like they are trying to build this reign as one of the longest ever) than have Rock beat him for the title. And Cena gets his win back and the title at Wrestlemania.
"You knooooow....the fact of the matter is, that HHH will always be THE GAME, and THE GAME knows what's good for THIS BUSINESS, and if you think that for one second that it includes The Cerebral Assassin laying down for someone, well, that's not gonna happen, jack!"
ReplyDeleteTriple H is living through Jericho and allowing him to Job and give the rub
ReplyDeleteWell I don't think he should have put Sheamus over at Mania because the timing wasn't right, and the match was like a Hercules-Dino Bravo match from an 80's Mania lol.
ReplyDeleteBut let's face it Trips is broken down, there's been reports I've read on all his injuries...he doesn't have a full time run left in him. There's no way in hell he should have beat Punk. Right...you got your hottest star, lightning in a bottle...and you're going to own the company and you don't try and make him?
Plus why the hell did they never have a Punk-Nash match?! What the hell Punk just backed down after getting destroyed and I don't remember him ever even laying hands on Nash. He should have retired Nash, beat Del Rio for the belt @ HIAC and then beat Triple H at Survivor Series in the Garden! Keep the Steph insults feud and add Trips saying that whoever has the belt is just holding it for him.
Anyways it doesn't really matter; because after Monday Punk is smoldering with heat. All kinds of old and new fans got to see him mix it up with 3 legends and he has the look and charisma to be a mainstream superstar
Punk was supposed to face Nash at NOC, but Nash flunked his physical. Big shock, I know. They had to call an audible after that, which lead to some vintage-2003 HHH/Nash circle-jerking.
ReplyDeleteawesome. Triple H could even put in "you(r) people" when talking about UFC workers with Brock.
ReplyDeleteHHH had a 3 year stretch on top that most people haven't forgotten.
ReplyDeleteBut it's not like he's never put anybody over.
He made Batista. Lost to him at three straight PPV's. Took some time off, came back, and put over Cena at Wrestlemania. HHH was at the very peak of his run at that time, and the biggest heel in the company.
I'm not comparing him to Mick Foley, but HHH has put people over.
"There's only ONE DIAMOND in THIS BUSINESS and you're looking at him!"
ReplyDeleteTruth people. Losing to Vince makes you look bad cause Vince (as ripped as he is) ain't a wrestler, in kayfabe, Trips is one of the best ever, it's like losing to Hogan, ain't no shame in that.
ReplyDeleteSo how would everyone react if HHH/Lesnar went to a draw somehow? Like both men put each other out and had to be stretchered out, or someone interferes, or they don't book it as a street fight and then they get double DQ'd? Does that make it better? Or worse?
ReplyDeleteYes, at Summerslam 2004.
ReplyDeleteSteph was run in, kick Brock in the balls, allowing Triple H to hit the Pedigree for the win. Book it.
ReplyDeleteSo when Ric Flair put over everyone in the locker room (and some of the guys at the popcorn stand) at the end of his career it destroyed his legacy, but if HHH DOESN'T put everyone over at the end of his career it's just bad for business?
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see HHH put more guys over, but you can't really have it both ways.
Bruiser Brody talked about this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5eKVGfJR4Q&feature=g-hist.
The topic comes up about 6 minutes into the clip
btw - If anyone hasn't listened to the three part interview before, you should. It's not exactly a shoot interview, but it's close. Brody isn't playing his character and he comes across as a really bright thoughtful guy
There was no grace in the way Flair was jobbing to people. Flair lost to people the same way Jim Duggan lost to people, like a man past his prime.
ReplyDeleteTake a look at how Jericho puts people over. That's the model HHH should follow
While we're at it, it really bugs me that Shawn Michaels didn't put any younger guys over before his retirement.
ReplyDeleteFlair's legacy as far as in-ring work seems fine; it's his legacy as a playboy which got revealed as just being a slimy businessman.
ReplyDeleteDid you just justify racism?
ReplyDeleteSome guys have really good memories for this stuff. I don't. Probably because I'm always drunk when watching.
ReplyDeleteMiz pinned him to win the tag belts, but it was a total fluke rollup. See, this goes back to the main idea:
ReplyDeleteHHH and Michaels are two of the only guys who seem to take the winning and losing part of wrestling very seriously, to the point that they come off as insecure turds who had to bastardize every job they ever did, save for Chris Benoit.
Brock doesn't respect THIS BUSINESS though so THE GAME needs to show him how it's PLAYED.
ReplyDeleteAfter watching Raw 1000, I think this lame Brock/HHH feud would be so much cooler if it DX Triple H vs. Angry Brock. Angry HHH vs. Angry Brock is bland. DX HHH could interject some fun into it, mock Brock, could've done some fun stuff to go goad Brock into wrestling.
Now it feels like a weak UFC fight.
Which is funny since they ragged on Bret for taking things too seriously.
ReplyDeleteDX Triple H is a tool in 2012.
ReplyDeleteFlair didn't hurt his legacy by putting people over. He hurt his legacy by turning himself into caricature of himself who could no longer bring the goods in the ring.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he didn't lose to younger guys, but when Shawn wrestled them, at least he gave them competitive matches.
ReplyDeleteIt's laughable that anyone out there actually thought Big Kev would lay down for Punk
ReplyDeleteYeah, I noticed that as well. Same with Ric Flair, who constantly says he would have done the right thing in Montreal yet seems to forget he held up WCW at the Great American Bash '91.
ReplyDeleteAnd if Brock wins, it's Heyman interference leading to the pinfall.
ReplyDeleteMust have been the same jobberitis of the knee that Nash came down with when he was supposed to lose to the Giant back in WCW...
ReplyDeleteSaying he flunked his physical doesn't really answer the question about why Nash never wrestled Punk, since he was able to wrestle at TLC. So if Nash was going to job to Punk, they could just as easily have had the match there, instead of transferring the feud to HHH.
Yeah, but Vince was an ECW champ. He's hardcore!
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised no one mentioned the look on Brock's face when he came out after Steph attacked Heyman. He looked like he was about to murder someone.
ReplyDeleteThen he did his jogging thing at the top of the ramp.
That would be an interesting twist.
ReplyDeletehe jobbed to upcoming star Terry Bollea.
ReplyDeleteIt's too bad that Triple H claims to be a wrestling history fan but doesn't remember history. There are some main event/upper mid guys that devolved into jobber status at the end of their careers, helping build up the next generation of stars. Look back about 85-87 era of TV shows and you'll see guys like Tony Garea, Rene Goulet, Tiger Chung Lee as TV jobbers near the end of their career. Tony is a former WWF Tag Champion, Tiger was champion in the NWA and Rene is also a former tag champion. Hell, look at Pedro Morales, the first ever Triple Crown champion, he was one of the biggest names to suddenly do jobs on WWF regularly. I bet these guys didn't pitch a fit about doing jobs. Why not have guys like HHH, Undertaker, Kane, etc do the clean job and put over the new generation. It's a matter of respect, which HHH and Taker claim to have for "this business" but seem to hellbent on maintaining their level to make others look good.
ReplyDeleteYou mean losing all the time and having it noted that you're a loser? I don't know, doesn't sound like that builds anyone up.
ReplyDeleteJack Swagger ??? lol
ReplyDeleteI think it was a case of people on the net really liking Punk as one of their favorites and mad that HHH didn't lay down for one of their favorites. For me I have never seen Punk as more than annoying mid-card guy so I never really cared about HHH putting him over.
ReplyDeleteFlair hasn't hurt his legacy imo. Greatest wrestler ever, shitty with money which isn't our problem.
ReplyDeleteEqually as bad because that would just be huntor milking a rematch payday before he went over.
ReplyDeleteIn there mind punk isn't on the same level.
ReplyDeleteActually makes sense to me.
ReplyDeleteWell hey hhh had to get his heat back.
ReplyDeleteHhh earned this rep before punk ever set foot in titan.
ReplyDeleteAnd a more decisive clean win over Michaels would have really done a lot for Miz credibility wise going into his MITB then WWE Title wins.
ReplyDeleteBut what's the point of hhh coming out of retirement to beat punk? Or what's the point of hhh using racism to get heat and then go over? If vince wants to pay brock millions to do a few jobs I'm cool with it. Its beyond annoying that hhh decides he's 2nd in line to get that rub since he's been gone for 3 years.
ReplyDeleteThat's Jericho's current storyline, but he's a made man in WWE. The losses roll right off his back. He lost a ton during his second run, and what happened when he returned--everyone popped huge, it wasn't "oh, it's that jabroni who lost to Evan Bourne on ppv."
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, HHH using his 2 or 3 matches per year to lose to newer guys who could really use the jolt of credibility wouldn't tarnish his legacy or make the fans see him as a big loser.
How about....
ReplyDeletePedigree, Brock kicks out at 2
F5, ref gets bumped by HHH's swinging legs
Steph-enters BIG SLAP. Ref revived, HHH wins
I hate it when he does that. He should have jogged to the ring at least.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Vince vacate the WWE title a day into his reign? Not much to laugh about there.
ReplyDeleteFlair is a prick.
ReplyDeleteIt's some weird thing he has about who to laid down for. I tend to think that Triple H just doesn't feel comfortable about laying down consistently yet. I think:
ReplyDelete* Triple H feels like his career isn't as good as it could have been, with the injuries causing him to miss InVasion.
* Nobody other than Cena, Batista, and Punk has stepped up and made themselves a star.
* Shawn, Undertaker, and himself has to go on and be part timers because the new guys aren't ready.
Because of those reasons, he feels like he can't just come out and job and put over the other guys. He doesn't feel his time is done yet, so he needs to stay strong "for the business".
The way he probably looks at it, is until he's truly broken down, he has to wrestle, therefore he has to be a strong character. Until Vince dies, Triple H is still a wrestler first. It's like a sports star on in the twilight. He doesn't want to look bad, so he's going to try his damnest to look great.
I do think he should job more, but I don't think he should look like an idiot either, like Vince in all of his matches.
If you look at the comments Punk and Nash have made about the situation it looks like this is what happened:
ReplyDeleteAfter Punk blew up as a wise-ass dropping "pipebombs" (aka worked shoot promos), HHH brought in the guy from the past he thought best personified that attitude to put Punk over. For some reason, instead of playing *that* Big Kev, Nash decided to play the ultra-serious tough guy/heavy. Which was a role *any* idiot could have played, and made the exercise in bringing in Kevin Nash pointless. It wasn't going like they (HHH) had hoped, plus Nash had his heart problem, so instead of picking the feud up down the road, they decided to cut their losses and get Punk the hell away from Nash. And HHH, being Nash's buddy, decided to do his friend a favor and fill in to give the storyline closure.
I think they did the right thing in cutting their losses and getting Punk away from Nash. Well, the right thing would've been to not bring in Nash at all. I can understand HHH's reasoning (the passing of the torch thing), but even in a best case scenario I didn't see 15 years past his prime Kevin Nash being able to give CM Punk the rub he needed.
Mild threadjack, but why is Undertaker immune from this talk? He's done less jobs than almost anyone ever. I know the Streak is the Streak, but it violates most principles in wrestling about letting someone get their heat back. Who's the last guy UT put over? Kane a couple years ago and no one cared?
ReplyDeleteAnd sold like a madman for them.
ReplyDeleteI think it would be hard to look at that as anything other than blatantly building to a rematch. At a "B show" maybe, MAYBE, but not at a big 4 PPV.
ReplyDeleteI was never a big fan of Undertaker, but it always baffled me that he was allowed to have that streak.
ReplyDeleteFlair is a prick, but Herd wasn't going to give him back the $50,000 deposit for the belt.
ReplyDeleteI think Undertaker is immune simply because he is even less than a part-timer. He has wrestled, what, three matches in two years? With two of those coming as part of the streak it doesn't leave a lot of room for doing jobs. But I hear what you are saying.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the jogging thing about? It looks ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI always thought it was a happy accident, that he got to like 11-0 or something before anyone realized it. By then there was money to be made so why not let it ride?
ReplyDeleteUntil TNA the IWC never calls Flair out on his bullshit. He's usually in the wrong. But, hey, he was the absolute best for like 12 years
ReplyDeleteNot a threadjack at all. In fact, it's a salient point.
ReplyDeleteWell, Tito Ortiz does need work now, so maybe they'll pay him a couple of million to submit to John Cena's man hug (aka the sloppiest STF ever) while they're at it.
ReplyDeleteBash'91 and Montreal are apples and oranges. WCW owed Flair money for the title and were not going to give it to him. He would've gladly laid down. Think of how many jobs Flair did from 90-96 (pre-nwo), it's crazy.
ReplyDeleteTo me, it's simple, the big money match is in any combination of Brock vs. Rock/Cena. If HHH cares about making money for his company, he lays down, end of story.
ReplyDeleteSo does that mean Nash went into business for himself character/promo wise? B/c I always hear how heavily scripted and formatted WWE is, so Nash playing a different character than what was asked of him seems weird.
ReplyDeleteYou said Punk has commented on this. I've never seen that; is he mad about the situation?
Selective memory is selective.
ReplyDeletePeople were calling Flair a hypocrite ever since he bashed Bret in his book.
And he was criticized by some members of the IWC over the year for not putting Luger over - although I'll agree that was a minority opinion (especially after Luger bombed in the WWF). He also was criticized as well as for the whole mess that was Ronnie Garvin's world-title reign (which was more or less Flair's idea since he wanted to lose and win back the title).
Certainly opinion on Flair has switched a lot over recent years, but the critics have been out there.
I think it was his book more than anything that caused people to change their view - especially the cheap shots he took at Bret and Foley and some others.
They should squash Brock like a bug. Who the hell does he think he is wearing a T-Shirt at the airport and not shaking Tyler Reks' hand??? He's stiff and doesn't know how to work anyway, and can't take a harmless rib like Cena completely undercutting him at Over The Limit. I hope they team him with that other giant baby Alex Riley and job them to DX on Raw! Sure, it'll cost millions when they kill his credibility for future PPV buys, but he needs to respect this business dammit!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm a huge fan of HHH the corporate all star, and even I have to scratch my head at some of the onscreen decisions that he's made. My theory is that he thinks the current roster doesn't want it enough, and so he's trying to put some fire in everyone's belly. My other theory is that he's a mark for his ow time period, and that he thinks the Attitude Era should always go over. It bugs the hell out of me because I think he has a great future as the head of WWE.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I like HHH a lot more as a suit than I did as a wrestler, but this pisses me off as well. If the future stars aren't gonna go over Cena, then they should be going over HHH. I'm not even someone who thinks the young guy should always go over, because that's not how putting someone over works. But when someone is hot, you give them the key win. CM Punk should have HHH's scalp on his belt, and that would have made him huge, but HHH didn't do the right thing.
Triple H has to win because it's not about building Brock, or the product as a whole, it's about Brock "paying back" what he "owes" them for them making him a huge star and walking away. Granted, he's making a real $5 million so people in a fake sport he doesn't care about can get fake wins over him so I don't feel bad for him. Triple H has "beat them all". Except Brock. Brock shit on "the business". This feud exists so they can show HHH beating Brock on his next DVD and he can throw "Brock Lesnar" on the list of names he's beaten.
ReplyDeleteThere was always a reason why HHH couldn't put over whoever could have benefited from a win over him. RVD, Jericho, Booker, Orton, always something...no way he decides to put the Business Disrespector over. This is just HHH getting his win over Brock, as an extension of the McMahon family settling some grudge that has eaten at them so long that they let it effect how they treat other employees and they would pay $5 million to settle it....when it comes to WM season they probably use Brock more and put him over Kofi Kingston a couple of times to build up a big match but this isn't part of any long term build or push for Brock. It's just a match at Summerslam.
Really? I thought Herd asked Flair to lay down to Luger and Windham, but he refused. But I suppose the counter-argument is that he was trying to negotiate a new contract and didn't want to lose his biggest leverage (which makes sense), and that Flair would have laid down once the deal was signed.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind Undertaker right now. The Streak is a major part of Wrestlemania now, and it's usually the only match where it matters who wins. I'm fine with him coming around once a year to build to that and going over to do it again next year.
ReplyDeleteBut over-all it's been about 10 years or more of Undertaker going over so I just accepted that it's going to happen. It was a gimmick match and took interference but putting Edge over in the TLC match was about as good as it's going to get, and I was actually shocked it happened. Less shocked that he got his win back by nearly killing him in HITC a few months later. Undertaker going over, right or wrong, is such a foregone conclusion by now that there's no need in even imaging what would come from the alternative.
Some of the 'big' names in the past have been able to get out from under the heavy scripting - especially if they're a good talker like Flair or Austin. Those guys were given more freedom in their promos, and Nash might have as well.
ReplyDeleteBy this point, Taker isn't wrestling up-and-comers and squashing their heat - he's only doing the big WM match or squashing nobodies that aren't being pushed anyway.
ReplyDeleteJust three years ago, though, a LOT of critics were shitting on him for basically squashing Punk, who had just turned heel and was just coming off his highly-praised feud with Jeff Hardy.
Nash has implied on Twitter that WWE wants him to be the "serious tough guy" instead of the laid-back sarcastic guy, so that's what he did.
ReplyDeleteReally dumb, since Nash is one of the funniest, most creative mic workers in the business when he's being himself and not a big dumb idiot.
Yeah, but how do you prove you want it when you can be buried and fired so easily? Shawn Michaels could barge into Vince's office and demand things and get them because he's showing the passion. Actually, Michaels himself said this on a radio interview, that the younger guys need to step up and take what they want. Only that doesn't work in the days where standing up to John Cena in the locker room get you buried and most guys are just trying to hold onto their job as long as they can before inevitably getting fired when creative has nothing left for you. And if you go over creatives head or be assertive and aggressive you get buried for that for disrespecting the writers or thinking you know better than the veterans.
ReplyDeleteBrock Loves Cock.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how the missed it.
True, but remember that the storyline was that Sheamus had attacked Trips earlier in the night, with several mentions by the announcers (and backstage segments) addressing just how badly Trips was injured. Trips was being a hero by going out there injured, almost won, and then was attacked again after the match.
ReplyDeleteHe probably could've done more, but he didn't go over guys to the point of hurting their career. He actually jobbed a lot, with less fanfare than other guys. He put Cena over clean. He put Orton over. Put Kennedy over. Batista. Jericho. Jeff Hardy. I think he left Khali pretty much destroy him. Kurt Angle. Chris Benoit. Edge. Pretty sure Umaga beat him.
ReplyDeleteHe's lost a fair bit, they just didn't really make a big deal out of a lot of them. There was never really a Wrestlemania where the young guy wants to prove he can beat Shawn Michaels and then does it. They were mostly the usual thing where they trade a few wins and then everyone stays where they already were. But that's WWE's motto for the most part "Shit happens but nothing changes"
Anyone here have the slightest bit of hope that the newly heel Punk sides up with Heyman, and helps Brock get the win over HHH at Summerslam...leading to a Punk-HHH rematch (let's say Survivor Series) in which HHH puts Punk over? So basically, I'm suggesting HHH does two major jobs, though the Brock one being overbooked to the gills. Anyone?
ReplyDeleteThis right here is why I can't stand The Undertaker. This, and the fact that his matches are a great cure for insomnia.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Flair's problem was jobbing, it was getting his pay cut in half.
ReplyDeleteAnd being called "Spartacus".
ReplyDeleteAnd cutting his hair.
And wearing an earring.
And changing his music.
I think he was dealing with a few problems.
Common Sense Booking 101: Instead of the fluke rollup, have Miz catch Michaels with the Skull Crushing Finale. When HHH goes to make the save he gets speared by the Big Show.
ReplyDeleteMiz looks great, team shows continuity, and DX can still fall apart like it originally played out.
I'd pay to have Cole call that during the match.
ReplyDeleteThat would be awesome and I think it would change hhh's perception
ReplyDeleteI might have it wrong but I could've sworn that Nash said it was his idea to do the serious stuff and HHH/WWE wanted him to be more of the "worked-shooting wiseass". He seemed to achnowledge it was a mistake on his part.
ReplyDeleteI don't follow him on Twitter but I'm thinking of the interview he did a couple months back where he explained what happened with the failing of the physical.
Get a profile pic.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the Nash stuff sounds weird, but that's what he said in an interview a couple months back (someone emailed Scott a link so it was on this blog). Although GregPhillips down below is saying Nash said the exact opposite so it's possible I'm remembering it wrong.
ReplyDeletePunk didn't speak directly to Nash's approach to his character, he was just commenting that once shit went south (Nash getting pulled from the ppv) the office told him they were just going to forget it and put him back in the title picture. He didn't sound mad, the tone of the interview was that he was happy with how things had gone with him winning the belt at Survivor Series in New York. I'm sorry I don't remember who the interview was with, but it was a radio station back in January/February.
He would have never laid down for Luger. If that was the case he would have done so in 88.
ReplyDeleteHe knew Luger was too smart whereas Sting did really love the business and was a flair suckup.
Flair really only laid down for people he knew would fizzle out and/or job right back to him.
Funk.
Sting.
Steamboat.
Come to think of it, I remember that interview too. Kinda weird, maybe I've misread his stuff on Twitter.
ReplyDeleteI definitely remember him mentioning a concern (from himself) that he might overshadow Punk, and he wanted to make Punk look better.
Was he great friends with The Giant, Savage? He also jobbed to Hart, no questions asked. I mean, he was the best wrestler in the world from 86-89, he shouldn't be jobbing to just anyone.
ReplyDeleteI really hope you're wrong, because if you're right, that's really one of the most ridiculous reasonings I've ever heard. You pay a guy 5 million dollars (not chump change) to "teach him a lesson"? What dumbasses, I'm sure Brock is like "you're paying me 5 million to teach me a lesson about the WWE? When does the check clear?"
ReplyDeleteHe never really had any say so by that point, the hogan show was in full swing, but in 87-91 the height of his political power, he wasnt putting the right people over.
ReplyDeleteIm a flair fan just like you are but Luger should have gotten the strap. He refused.
When Sting went down with the knee, and they turned Luger face, he should have gotten the strap as a stopgap. He refused. He said he was keeping it for sting...
come on man. Luger in those days was young stong and could work. He was fucking money. There was too much upside with Luger as champ and that meant flair would have to be pushed down.
by 95-96, he had no stroke and playing 5th banana to the hogan crew. and bisch didnt need him anymore. so job to macho. job to giant.
Totally. To me, pinning Punk last fall was the most egregious "HHH won't put anyone over" moment of his career. Absolutely ridiculous, and it's amazing Punk stayed as over as he did after that. (HHH crotch chopped him after the match. Crotch topped the young new cool face. What the FUCK, man.) But HHH could really redeem himself if the above scenario comes true.
ReplyDeleteAnd as for Summerslam, I couldn't give two shits if Lesnar goes over clean or not, as long as he doesn't job.
Who did he put over at the end of his career? Do you mean TNA? His last run in WWE was booked where if he lost he was fired, and he beat everybody in the midcard on the way out.
ReplyDeleteThat's the first I've noticed people mentioning the Alex Riley story that just came out: that the reason he's been in the doghouse is because he was getting ribbed by Cena and he didn't like it, so he got pissed, and RILEY is the one being punished for not respecting "the code of the locker room", namely not just taking his ribs from a more established guy.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that this company is so backwater and stuck in the carny days should tell you everything you need to know about whether Brock will job.
Vince McMahon is the master of ridiculous reasonings. Remember, this is the guy who wasted countless resources and money to revive to dead feds just to prove the point that his brand is superior.
ReplyDeleteRic Flair becoming the bald, earring wearing Spartacus would have been money.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe this shit still goes on in a publicly traded company. And let's say for argument's sake that Riley didn't just get pissed but took it to an over the top level: you're really gonna bury the guy to the point where you can never make any money off him? They job guys out over petty backstage shit, then complain that they can't get over with the fans.
ReplyDeleteLook, if someone's being a pain in the ass backstage, fine them or punish them some other way. Then if they continue being a pain, then sure, de-push em. A guy like Orton, for example, was out of control back then and should have been shunted down the card to make a point. But this is just high school nonsense.
Hey, I agree with you completely. I was not suggesting that HHH is right. I think he's very blind to how he and his peers were built and matured at a very good time for wrestling. He also forgets that Mick Foley made him look like a million bucks. This is his main weakness and he needs to get over it.
ReplyDeleteOrton should have been canned for shitting in someone's gym bag.
ReplyDeleteDude, Booker T was nine years ago...can we get over it?
ReplyDeleteThis match is kind of a litmus test as to whether HHH taking over the company will be a good thing. If he puts over Brock it shows that he's willing to do whats right for business. If he puts himself over, we may as well alljust stop watching.
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