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Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Blog Questions

Hi, Mr. Keith. I haven't watched wrestling in years, and yet I still
keep up with your blog because of how entertaining your writing is.

I have two unrelated questions:

1) I understand that Sting's in-ring absence throughout 1997 made
perfect sense storyline-wise (and it obviously worked out wonderfully
till Hogan buried him), but was he also injured during this time? Was
this a rare case where WCW found a clever way to keep a top injured
talent in the spotlight? It just seems impossible to imagine that a
wrestling promotion would book one of its top healthy stars to not
work matches for a year just to build up a new version of his
character.

2) In terms of storyline logic, what is the point of even having
matches if WWE's titles don't matter? Why should I care about the
result of a random weekly pairing of, say, Orton vs. Barrett if
winning a title wouldn't really affect the character anyway? What does
the end goal of each character become after the titles have been
reduced to almost nothing? At least with the UFC, you can usually rest
assured that a fight genuinely matters insofar as a guy winning will
generally move him closer to a title shot whereas a guy losing can
mean he disappears from contention for a long time or gets cut. Even
though WWE doesn't represent a real sport, it wouldn't hurt to model
this kind of logic where wins and losses really impact a guy's career.

1.  Sting was definitely not injured.  Basically his contract was structured like Hogan's where he only had to work a certain amount of dates per year, and WCW burned through them all by September.  So instead of wrestling matches, they paid him to sit in the rafters and brood.

2.  Really, the only goals worth anything now are Undertaker's streak and the quest to be a main eventer / Hall of Famer.  Possibly pointing at a sign, too.  

36 comments:

  1. If the only goal is Taker's streak and if nobody is ever going to beat it, then what is the fucking point?

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  2. Re: Sting's absence


    Ive always heard the "not enough dates" story and its believeable... but i also heard that Sting had some herniated disc(s) removed and thats why he came back with the different outfit.


    Did anyone else hear that?

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  3. It better end... BY CENA.


    Yes I said it.

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  4. As long as someone does it. It makes no sense to me Taker riding off into the sunset and never being beat at WM. Only one person benefits in that scenario.


    And I know Cena heel turn fantasy booking is so cliche but honestly, Cena beating Taker at WM by cheating his balls off and turning heel would set the fed on fire. In a good way.

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  5. It doesnt matter.


    If he beats him straight up... the next night he goes out and cuts a Hogan-esque New world organization promo.


    If he cheats, the next night he cuts a so what promo.


    He beats Taker, he turns back babyface.

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  6. I think it matters how he beats him. If it's a normal straight up finish and Cena goes over with no shenanigans, nothing changes and he still gets the same 50/50 reactions.

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  7. They are all fighting to get noticed by The Company and earn a chance to Entertain (the hell) out of The WWE Universe on The Grandest Stage of Them All to cement their Legacy.


    Not just anyone can point at a sign. You've gotta earn that shiz.

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  8. If he beats the Undertaker in normal SuperCena fashion, the kids and his fans will still love him because that's what they expect and why they cheer for him. You have to do something to signal to those fans that this isn't the same Cena anymore.

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  9. They've unquestionably spent the last several months restoring value in the WWE title, between Punk's epic reign and Rock coming back solely out of (kayfabe) desire to win it again.

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  10. I agree but they have to keep at it with whoever takes it off Punk. If Punks drops it and then it gets moved around 3-4 times over a 3 month period, all that work is erased. They need to institute a new mandate that every WWE title run has to last at least 6 months.

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  11. Would not surprise me if Sting could have used the time off to rest his body. But I bet any wrestler would have enough accumulated injuries that 6 months to a year off would make a lot of sense health-wise.

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  12. Don't forget the Briefcase!! That's become the new IC title.

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  13. What about pointing at the sign and SCREAMING/POSING?

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  14. Umm, only one person benefits by beating him too....

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  15. Other than the company from creating a new star, and different guys being elevated from working with that new star and then the guys THEY work with down the road possibly, you're right.

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  16. And it can't just be hitting Taker with a chair over and over since HHH did the same thing yet was a face. He would have to cheat like crazy at the end then after Cena wins, Taker still shows him respect and goes to shake his hand. Cena takes the handshake but spits in his face, kicks him in the balls and gives him another AA. If you want to go further have Cena do something, like Pillmanizing Taker that makes him retire. Also you could have Cena beat the shit out of Taker on RAW the next night to make sure people know he's a heel.

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  17. If we pretend that this could actually happen for a minute, what I would do is standard no DQ back and forth match.

    After Cena can't put Taker away, he hits him with another AA and instead of going for another pin, he rolls out of the ring and gets his old padlock chain he used to wear. He gets on Taker and starts pounding the fuck out of him with it, like 15 times, drawing blood. Cena gets up but Taker is slowly trying to make it to his feet as the crowd cheers him on. Taker gets to his knees and is trying to use Cena to prop himself up. Cena gives him the you can't see me taunt and boom! Gives him a simple, super stiff kick right to the face and pins him 1,2,3.

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  18. Short title reigns in and of themselves, I think, don't devalue the title. Just like long reigns (see: JBL in 2004-05, Sheamus in 2012) don't automatically build value in the belt.

    Look at the rapid-fire Rock/Foley/Austin title changes in 98-99. Yeah, the belt changed hands a half dozen times in about five months, but it MATTERED.

    If it's being hotly contested between guys who are over and worthy of the spot, multiple title changes within a short period of time can actually pump some life into the belt in my opinion.

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  19. Was there a story behind Sting being in bad shape after his return? He had to start wearing the singlet. Most guys coming back from injury are jacked, I assume from having more time to work out. Sting just hung out in the rafters, not even every week, some weeks just for a 30 second shot. Did he go off roids or something?

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  20. Wouldn't dates be dates, whether he was in the ring or not? If I have to be at work on a certain day and fall 50 feet from the rafters on a rope when I get there, it's a date to me.

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  21. I was just about to say the same thing. Why didn't he work out during all that time? The crowd is hyped for the match, Sting finally takes the coat off, and uh...singlet and tubby. You could hear the air go out a little from the crowd.

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  22. Bischoff said on a DVD or something that him and Hogan were really pissed about that and that was one of the reasons Hogan tried to bury him.

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  23. That's why I love TNA's Bound for Glory series. Wins and losses actually have immediate ramifications every week.

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  24. At Starrcade he just wrestled in his rafter jump gear, then Superbrawl just a plain black singlet...both looked like last minute outfits to cover the shape he was in. I guess being out of the ring and travel/gym/diet routine might have got him, but he had nothing but time to work out if he wasn't hurt.

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  25. I can see Bischoff being pissed, although he doesn't mention it in his book, but Hogan citing that is just an excuse for not wanting to do the clean job. You can tell through the pages how frustrated Bischoff was with Hogan on that one. Hogan getting all high and mighty about someone "not being prepared" is laughable.

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  26. I've always wondered if he got off steroids at that point. You look at other guys who left and came back like Savage or Eddie Guerrero and they come back looking gassed to the gills. Just a thought.

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  27. Agreed. I don't mind the title bouncing between guys who are having a four month feud over it. They're evenly matched and fighting for the title, makes sense they could win some/lose some. It's when three or four guys trade the title in the matter of months. Like HHH to Edge to Hardy to Edge to HHH in 2009, or Cena to Sheamus to Cena to Batista to Cena to Sheamus to Orton to Miz.

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  28. I don't know about that. Sting's pretty big into real estate from what I've read so maybe he was swamped with other business and didn't have time to live in the gym.

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  29. I can see how Hogan would be legitimately pissed about that. I'm sure he didn't want to job to some guy who looked like a bum.

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  30. This was also either when he became born again, or was doing whatever he was doing that lead to it. Might have had some distractions.

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  31. #2 is a big reason why a lot of their storylines suck or are just uninteresting in general. The reason why making titles seem important should be something they should do is that a lot of the time the feuds and whatnot can just write themselves most of the time. "I don't like you, you have the title. I want to fight you for it." Sometimes that's all you need.

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  32. Why can't Ryback beat him? If he ends up taking the belt off Punk in a desperation switch, that's the only way to go if you want something unique. The Belt vs. The Streak. Ryback vs. Taker. Ryback cements his place as THE guy. You can then save Ryback and Cena for Summerslam or the next year's Mania as your last real money match.


    I get that Cena vs. Taker should happen, and Cena should win, but they're so desperate for someone to come along and become a star, I don't see the harm in taking that chance on Ryback.

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  33. "Sting was definitely not injured. Basically his contract was structured like Hogan's where he only had to work a certain amount of dates per year, and WCW burned through them all by September. So instead of wrestling matches, they paid him to sit in the rafters and brood."


    OK, that explains 1996. Did he burn through most of 1997's appearances, too?

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  34. Why sacrifice Taker's streak to someone like Cena who doesn't need it? And to do a Cena heel turn when it(won't happen) can easily be done several different ways. Cena ending the streak is possibly the worst way to end it IMO.

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  35. Sting was still working dark matches after Nitro went off the air quite a bit during this time period to keep him in ring shape.

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