WWF/WWE:
· WrestleMania, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Attitude Era, 80s tag teams such as the Hart Foundation, British Bulldogs, Killer Bees, Demolition, the Brain Busters, the Rockers, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, the Rock, Cactus Jack/Mankind/Mick Foley, HHH, Randy Savage, Andre The Giant, Ted DiBiase, The Undertaker, the Honkytonk Man, Big Show, John Cena, Trish Stratus, Lita, Sherri Martel, Sable, Sunny, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, Mr. Fuji, Gorilla Monsoon, Jesse Ventura, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, Royal Rumble, Summerslam, Survivor Series, Monday Night RAW
WCW/JCP:
· nWo, Ric Flair, the Four Horsemen, Hollywood Hogan, Randy Savage, 80s tag teams such as the Midnight Express, the Rock’n’Roll Express, Ole & Arn Anderson, Ivan & Nikita Koloff, the Road Warriors, Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard, Lex Luger, Sting, Barry Windham, Vader, Ricky Steamboat, the Hollywood Blonds, DDP, Madusa, Missy Hyatt, James J. Dillon, Jim Cornette, Tony Schiavone, David Crockett, Jim Ross, Bob Caudle, Starrcade, Halloween Havoc, Clash of the Champions, WCW Monday Nitro, WCW Saturday Night
AWA:
· Curt Hennig, Scott Hall, Stan Hansen, Rick Martel, Nick Bockwinkel, Jerry Lawler, Larry Zbyszko, the Midnight Rockers, Greg Gagne, Sherri Martel, Larry Nelson, Super Clash, ESPN
ECW:
· Shane Douglas, Rob Van Dam, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, Dudley Boyz, Taz, Sabu, Masato Tanaka, Mike Awesome, Fonzie, Beulah, Francine, Joey Styles, November to Remember
Memphis:
· Jerry Lawler, Bill Dundee, Adrian Sweet, the Fabulous Ones, Andy Kaufman, Lance Russell
CWF:
· Dusty Rhodes, Barry Windham, Kevin Sullivan, the Sheepherders, Gordon Solie, Battle of the Belts
WCCW:
· The Von Erichs, the Fabulous Freebirds, Jimmy Garvin, The Fantastics, Gino Hernandez, Chris Adams, Missy Hyatt, Sunshine, Precious, Bill Mercer, David Von Erich Memorial Parade of Champions
Mid-South/UWF:
· Steve Williams, Junkyard Dog, Jim Duggan, Bill Watts, Jim Ross
Stampede:
· Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Dynamite Kid, Chris Benoit, Ed Whalen
Who or what else would you include with or to these legacies? What are your fondest memories of some of these legacies?
There's a lack of Terry Funk who I feel at least deserves a mention for either ECW or WCW/JCP.
ReplyDeleteAWA: Sgt Slaughter, the Destruction Crew, Road Warriors, Eric Bischoff, Badd Company, Lee Marshall, DDP
ReplyDeleteWCW: Goldberg, cruiserweight division
ReplyDeleteRoddy Piper for WWF/WWE too.
ReplyDeletepiper is portland
ReplyDeleteThe Brainbusters as part of the WWE's legacy??? Is this some kind of smark legacy? Or a general one?
ReplyDeletewhere's XPW?
ReplyDeleteIPW - Jumpin' Jeff Farmer, Motley Cruz.
ReplyDeleteNo Vince, Eric Bishoff or Paul Heyman for their respective promotions?
ReplyDeleteFormer nwa champion, when it meant everything.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's stupid. Tully and Arn are NWA through and through.
ReplyDeleteStampede: John Foley, Stu Hart, Big Daddy Ritter, Archie Gouldie, Makhan Singh
ReplyDeleteMemphis: Jimmy Hart, Dave Brown, Rock n Roll Express
ReplyDeleteContinental: anyone named Armstrong
ReplyDeleteCentral States: Slick, Butch Reed
ReplyDeleteWCW and JCP might need to be separated. JCP could also be Mid-Atlantic, which would have Piper, Bob Caudle, the Briscos, Steamboat, Flair, Humperdink, Valentine, Slaughter, Wahoo
ReplyDeleteFlorida: Dusty, Briscos, Funks, Gordon Solie, Humperdink, Paul Jones
ReplyDeleteMadusa Micelli, Blackjacks, Bobby Heenan
ReplyDeleteThis rant, believe it or not, was a spontaneous combustion of thoughts put together as I was conceiving it. Your suggestions are extremely valid as I was seeking further input as well as possible memories from the BoD faithful.
ReplyDeleteThat website is amazing Rock Star Gary.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree Arn & Tully were far more established as NWA guys, The Brainbusters were definitely part of the golden age of tag teams in the WWF and I'd say they had a fairly memorable run there too.
ReplyDeleteThey did, but not as good as their NWA run with the Horsemen. Plus, they were established stars, their legacy was established. It's not the same as say Jean-Paul Levesque who had a cup of coffee in WCW, but established himself and set a legacy in the WWF/E as HHH.
ReplyDeleteWargames should be in there somewhere.
ReplyDeleteMasato Tanaka was a decent wrestler but seriously, amongst all the things ECW changed in the wrestling world we're remembering a Japanese guy who, for all intents and purposes, only wrestled one guy most of his time there?
ReplyDeleteWargames should probably be added under JCP. Also, I think you don't really need to name the WWF teams of the "golden era". Teams like The Killer Bees and Brian Busters feel really out of place. And if you're going to include divas and Big Show I think you need to add Brock Lesnar and definitely John Cena and Bruno. ECW needs some mention of "hardcore" style.
ReplyDeleteJumpin' Jeff Farmer
ReplyDelete"Yep."
Teams like.... Brian Busters
ReplyDeleteBad Luck Brian, always getting busted.
"I find your lack of Funk disturbing."
ReplyDeleteCM Punk for WWE if you're including Bi Show.
ReplyDeleteFunk's a tricky one.
ReplyDeleteNWA: Sure, but he's past the "30 years" timeframe (otherwise AWA would be MUCH bigger, as would NWA/JCP). Unless you consider his 89 run big enough.
ECW: YES. He's one of the "founding fathers", and it's his "second legacy" in addition to NWA.
His main claim to fame falls outside the 30 years, except for ECW.
IPW's pretty fair with just the Poffos. Not sure who else did anything of note there though...
ReplyDeleteOh, and Dibiase should be under Mid-South. One of the biggest heels Watts ever had, and his double turn with Murdoch (ooh, where does he really fit in?) is still legendary.
ReplyDeleteHandsome Harley Race, Percival A Friend, Bob Geigel and Bulldog Bob Brown in the Central States.
ReplyDeleteTed DiBiase and General Skandar Akbar should be in the Mid-south legacy.
Yep, I knew I forgot one of Funk's favorite places.
ReplyDeleteHe can fit in both. Now a "one name" list... that would be tougher.
ReplyDeleteNWA/WCW: Ron Simmons, Magnum TA, Tommy Rich, Sid
ReplyDeleteMemphis: Dutch Mantell, PG-13, Jimmy Hart
He had Cena in there.
ReplyDeleteI'd also maybe suggest adding Hell in a Cell to the WWF. Definitely one of their biggest matches, especially if you're including Mick Foley, who essentially cemented his legacy with the Fed in that match.
ReplyDeleteAkbar also fits in WCCW, along with Gary Hart (RIP).
ReplyDeleteThat's one where you'd start about 20 arguments on the WWF list alone.
ReplyDeleteGeorgia: Older Anderson, Briscos, Jim Barnett, Tommy Rich, Tommy Rich doing favors for Jim Barnett, Buzz Sawyer, Last Battle of Atlanta, Tony Atlas, Jimmy Snuka
ReplyDeleteTNA: Chris Daniels, Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, The X Division, late-era Kurt Angle, Sting, and Jeff Hardy.
ReplyDeleteCZW: "Jeeeezus!"
I think wcw should also be remembered for introducing main stream north America wrestling fans to lucha libre and Japanese wrestling.
ReplyDeleteMissed it, thanks.
ReplyDeleteI find your lack of Ricky Rouge disturbing...
ReplyDeleteICW?
ReplyDeleteNo AJ Styles for TNA? James Storm's also earned a spot on that list along with Bobby Roode. Aries isn't there yet, but he's getting there FAST.
ReplyDelete"Tommy Rich doing favors for Jim Barnett"
ReplyDeleteAllegedly
Whoops.
ReplyDeletegreat point
ReplyDeleteIn regards to ECW I'd argue the tag division as whole should be included especially the Eliminators and Public Enemy as well as the aforementioned Dudleys, Raven & Richards and RVD & Sabu units with teams like the Pitbulls and Gangstas filling in the equivalent of the Killer Bees spot in 80s WWF.
ReplyDeleteFor that matter I think for WWE "Attitude Era tag teams" are also a clear no-brainer as well for Hardy Boys, Dudleys, E&C, the TLC match, Too Cool and the APA.
Conversely I am highly dubious that Awesome and especially Tanaka belong on the list. Their feud was more of a novelty attraction than a true ECW rivalry. I think Tajiri vs. Super Crazy, Eddie vs. Malenko, and Public Enemy vs the Gangstas were far more well received by the ECW faithful than Tanaka vs. Awesome (other than ooo'ing for stiff chair shots was there any emotional connection to those matches?); and none of them are on your list. Awesome's career outside ECW was laughably bad, again Tajiri, Jerry Lynn, Rhino, and Public Enemy both meant more within ECW and did more outside of it than Awesome did and you don't have them on the list. Really to me Awesome's only pro argument is the weird way he dropped the title and by then the shine as a whole was off ECW so that's more of a footnote than a legacy. (Although in fairness to him he did have a shocking awesome PPV match with Spike Dudley at Guilty As Charged one year).
As for Tanaka I would just point out I think it's likely his total number of ECW appearances is in the single digits (and all against the same foe). For a point of comparison I'd argue Muta and Liger did a hell of lot more in JCP/WCW and got a hell of a lot more over with American audiences than Tanaka ever did and you don't have either of them on the WCW list. Honestly when I think of ECW I don't think Tanaka would be in the first 50 names I'd write down and more likely I wouldn't remember him at all.
Not a fan of TNA Gary??
ReplyDeletehaha looks like it hasnt been updated since 1998.
ReplyDelete"Any groupies Gary?"
ReplyDeleteDid you click on the "pics" section?
That should be Brodus Clay's new catchphrase!
ReplyDeleteDean Ambrose was a CZW homer for quite a while.
ReplyDeleteTanaka probably did over a hundred ECW appearances but almost all of them were against Awesome. For more than a month their tv show was literally Crazy vs. Tajiri, Impact Players vs. Dreamer/Raven, and Awesome vs. Tanaka every week.
ReplyDeleteEddie Kingston and the Briscoes escaped the CZW shithole
ReplyDeleteGilbert fits best in Memphis imo.
ReplyDeleteAJ Styles and Christopher Daniels doesn't see the problem with this.
ReplyDeleteThat website is ballin'
ReplyDeleteWHERE THE FUCK IS TNA AND ROH?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I can remember some of it now... hitting Lawler with the car, mainly.
ReplyDeleteYeah, PG-13 were not a bad tag team in the USWA. They were undersized, but they had some entertaining feuds and had some good matches with the Rock N' Roll Express during the Smokey Mountain feud.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I really got tired of the whole Super Crazy vs. Tajiri vs. Guido rivalry they had going for a while. I was like "can these guys face ANYONE else"? Matches were good, but they really beat that to death.
ReplyDeleteI'm not well-versed on TNA, just wanted to get it on the board. I'm also thinking Bully Ray.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Elimination Chamber, which is essentially War Games through WWE's prism.
ReplyDeleteWCCW: The Missing Link!
ReplyDeleteSorry. I've had a love/hate relationship with TNA over the last 8 years. We might need counseling.
ReplyDeleteFor some reason they are the one case I don't mind. Probably because the matches keep being good but also just because the way they never leave any room between their feuds, it just seems like some kinda Highlander thing, like they're destined to do battle for eternity.
ReplyDeleteKiller Ken Resnick!! Magnificent Mimi! Team Challenge series! Jake Milliman! WrestleRock Rumble!!
ReplyDeleteWow. I can't tell, is he for real? Or is this like Real Ultimate Power?
ReplyDeleteI seriously haven't seen a website like that since I was 15.
If he is for real, well, more power to him. Especially in that sleeveless Union Jack.