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Thursday, July 18, 2013

Uh oh...


Brother Love got fired from TNA now, as well as D-Lo Brown.  And you KNOW Hogan's not sticking around a sinking ship like this much longer.  I really hate to watch a company go this fast.  Even moreso if they bring Russo back as head of creative again.  

This is REALLY bad.  And you know it's only gonna be the beginning.

160 comments:

  1. This is going to be an unpopular statement - but leaving the iMPACT Zone permanently *might* have been a mistake.

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  2. Fun fact from the Observer: Their road tapings are costing them $600,000 each. SIX. HUNDRED. THOUSAND. Who could possibly make money with that kind of overhead? Yeah, it looks better and freshened up the crowds, but shouldn't someone have, I dunno, ran the numbers before burning the Impact Zone bridge?


    Joke stolen from Mike Jenkinson: They had to get rid of the six-sided ring because the two sides couldn't come to an agreement on money and left the company. Quoted for truth.

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  3. They's gettin' rid of errrrbody.

    On a serious note, I haven't been a consistent viewer of the company over the years but I really hope they stay in business. They have too many talented guys that would just get lost in the shuffle in WWE.

    TNA is not competition to WWE but they damn sure are an alternative.

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  4. Well, considering what their PPVs make, that seems to be a little problem. Costs $1.2M a month to run their TV, and their PPVs probably net a couple hundred grand once every 3 months.

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  5. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 18, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    i dont want tna to go under, but if they do, can it be stated without dispute that in the (admittedly relatively short) history of wrestling, wwe is the exception and not the rule?

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  6. Doesn't Spike TV
    pay for the show? Not that your wrong about the math here; I doubt the rights fees from Spike are $12 million a year.

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  7. I don't know what they pay. I'm sure it's decent, but if their operations don't end up in the black *without* talent being accounted for, they're a financial trainwreck waiting to happen.


    Makes you wonder how much money the Carters have sunk into this, and if push comes to shove, what % they would require back in order to sell the company.

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  8. *Sad Trombone*

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  9. At this point, it'll be AJ Styles vs. Serg Salinas at Bound For Glory in a 3-Hour Iron Man Match with Special Guest Ring Announcer / Time Keeper / Referee Dixie Carter. Tazz will still be on commentary of course.

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  10. If mid/late 90's WCW had a functional business model, they would have been a pretty good business. I think the failure rate of wrestling companies has more to say about who is running them than the viability of the product. WCW's payroll must have been asinine and they still ended up being profitable for a time. That and their one size fits all pricing for their TV shots. They'd have ridiculous demand in alot of places and just sell tickets for $20 for Nitro. I went to Starrcade 97 and I paid 2 figures to be 3 rows back. Alot of money left on the table that night.

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  11. The funny thing is that the door to go back to Universal is pretty much shut. According to a friend who works there, they were quite happy to have the space back to use for their very lucrative Halloween events, plus they just need space in general for a bunch of upcoming projects such as phase two of Harry Potter.


    Plus, there's the whole rumor of WWE moving into their CityWalk shopping and dining area which will actually be much more a draw for tourists.

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  12. With Prichard being gone, I think it is more due to incompetence at his job with not knowing when certain contracts expire.
    Also D-Lo was not bringing in any new people and wasn't an important part of the company.
    Once a major person is gone (like someone in the bound for glory series), then I will see it as the end.

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  13. Maybe the local indies would end up getting some of the money that fans had been putting into TNA?

    The death of TNA doesn't have to be a bad thing.

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  14. On the plus side, TNA just signed Jake "The Milkman" Milliman. He kind of looks like Daniel Bryan, and he'll work for turkeys!

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  15. So their booking gets better, they go on the road, and they pull back on PPVs. And NOW is when they have issues.


    Screw 2007 and 2010, years I actively wished they'd gone under (and when there were still great alternatives in ROH and Chikara). No, we wait until they seem to be on the verge of something, and then they have problems.


    If TNA goes under, this will really be the worst year in American wrestling since 2000 (notice I didn't say worst THING in American Pro Wrestling, so all of you Benoit-yellers, unbunch your panties), given the theoretical fall of Chikara, the overall blandness of ROH. Sure, PWG is still awesome, but they run, what, 6 shows a year? And despite putting on a couple of good shows recently, I don't have enough faith in WWE to do more than they have for the past few years.


    We have SEEN what happens when WWE is the only show in town. It is not a good thing.

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  16. Maybe Brother Love was a bad talent relations guy, but I enjoyed his booking. If they bring back Russo I'm out. The last Russo Reign of Terror kept me away from TNA for almost five years. I'd rather see the company fold.

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  17. I'm waiting for them to be sold and then have something like 10% of the price be a buyout of Hogan's deal so they can sign him to a legends deal.

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  18. How do you figure?

    Indy wrestling is NOT a cheap thing to get into. I started buying ROH DVDs about 2007, but they come out 1-2 months AFTER the event, and you need to spend a good amount of money just to be caught up. (And I'm just using ROH as an example).

    Sure, you can generally pick a highly-recommended wrestling show or two, but in order to get the storylines, you need to get a fairly large number of shows.

    People who are going to be into indies would likely be into them already. They aren't going to start simply because TNA goes under.


    Actually, you know how I got into ROH? By seeing Samoa Joe and Christopher Daniels IN TNA. I would have never been exposed to their awesomeness (at the time, anyway) had it not been for seeing these people on a national stage.

    And, yes, TNA failing is a VERY bad thing.

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  19. As much as I hate to say it, I agree.


    I don't hate Russo as much as most. I think he's actually pretty damn good at coming up with storylines. His problem is that he has a great story in place, and then decides to fuck with it.


    But he's never done much for TNA, and going back to him will do nothing to fix these issues.

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  20. They don't really need to move back to Universal, but they do need to have a "home base" location or two.

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  21. Well they're going to have a new "home base" soon... bankruptcy court!

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  22. I think we should pool our money together and buy the library.

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  23. And...do what with it?

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  24. Eh, let it play out and see where it goes...

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  25. Either sell it to WWE. or put out DVDs...


    The money will come back to us.

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  26. First we would have to form a corporation to make the transaction, which alone would take months and oodles of money in legal fees.

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  27. And it's not like they're selling a ton of DVD's anyway. And we don't have the rights to Sting, Kurt Angle and Hardy's WCW/WWE matches...

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  28. Okay Fish, Chips and Wrestling LLC.


    Done.
    Seriously though, Vince paid 4 million for WCW... talent, rings, video equipment


    and the money he made was with?


    The library.

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  29. For all intents and purposes they already are the only show in town. There's nothing out there to push it. What we'd lose is the snowball's chance in hell that TNA would grow enough to push them.


    I doubt it'll effect their long-term game plan of part time stars from the past, and John Cena until he takes one too many bumps, either way.

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  30. and rey mysterio masks.

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  31. WWE created a new paradigm, that nobody else has been able to master for the long haul.

    And WWE is so diversified now that it isn't even fair to call them a wrestling company anymore.

    A traditional wrestling organization can't exist in this day and age without a large corporation backing them.

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  32. Very true.


    They make money from pretty much every facet of their company.


    And if they dont. BAM... Wrestlemania backs it up

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  33. WWE is literally the only buyer for the TNA library. And they don't really need it, so they would likely wait until they could get it for almost nothing.

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  34. "they are the only show in town"


    They are and they aren't. The one thing TNA provides is a way to see, on national TV, a different style of wrestling, and different superstars who are every bit as good as those in WWE. Though they aren't going to reach the peak of WWE (at least without something amazing happening), they do provide an alternative.


    And don't think for a second that WWE doesn't see them as competition. They may not see them as serious competition, but WWE is paying attention to them (at least if they're smart). Vince knows that it only takes one moment of underestimating your opponent and getting too complacent to almost lose it all, and I don't think he'll ever make that mistake again.

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  35. Damnit Ted Turner, why don't you like rasslin' anymore?

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  36. Oh no. Not true. There a lot of independent buyers Highspots buys tape libraries.


    KC could jump in on it. Especially if/when TNA does go out of business, they will probably be the biggest gainer from it all. Why?


    Selling DVDS of Guest Bookers and YouShoot DVDs.

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  37. I bet ol' Stingers pissed. Should he jump to WWE now, they'll probably only pay about half of what he could have had before this. What little leverage any talent there had is now gone.

    RVD might be one of the smartest men in wrestling.

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  38. I think Vince is on his own planet right now. I'm sure there's people in the company that are paying attention to them (at least from a poaching POV), but I really don't think they're on the radar at all. For reasons like this. They have such a stranglehold on the business that if TNA went down you could make an argument they could also own the second biggest company in the country, which would be their developmental program.

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  39. According to Madden, he has been sending feelers out recently, once the checks started coming in late.

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  40. How does math get downvoted? LOL. Let's be rational here.

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  41. I don't really need that library. That one dude on here keeps posting gifs of the Knockouts asses and that would be the only part of the library I'd want.

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  42. RIP "What's ______ doing in the iMPACT Zone, Taz?"


    That one never got old.

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  43. One upside to TNA going under: Ring Of Honor becomes the #2 US promotion by default.


    There are some guys that Vince won't pick up once TNA goes in the tank for various reasons (not big enough, lousy promo, they don't have "it", they're 3 days older than sand, etc.) that ROH would be happy to have.

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  44. De-fault! De-fault!

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  45. I said way back when ROH first got tv that they should hold steady, don't break the bank trying to grow, if you wait long enough TNA will inevitably implode and that will be your opportunity for some growth

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  46. ROH is much cheaper to follow Noel with TV and every life event being posted as a 15 dollar ppv

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  47. ...that aint saying much with the talent they have lost over the years and now without the people to step in their place...


    Remember ECW and WCW went out of business within 3 months of each other.

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  48. The *hope* would be that styles and/or Aries and/or Joe would end up back in ROH.

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  49. "What's that bankruptcy lawyer doing in the IMPACT Zone, Taz?"

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  50. And then what?


    Their whole presence will just highlight how bad ROH has fallen in recent years.


    It will also show how bad TNA mishandled them but this aint conquering heroes coming back to their homeland.


    That would be going from AAA ball to AA ball.

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  51. Except for that time with the weed in the car...

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  52. "Not fo nuttin, but I think we're all fucked!"

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  53. My theory is the downvoter is just, like, totally too cool for us.

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  54. blahblahblahblah5July 18, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    did anyone happen to watch the recent Hardcore Justice PPV? one of the worst shows I have ever seen. like, memorably bad. also one of the most pathetic excuses for a "hardcore" show ever produced. just embarassing

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  55. Am I the only one who wants a WWE monopoly?

    (Let the downvotes fall like rain!)

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  56. This is awful. If I gave a crap about TNA, I'd be so upset right now.

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  57. Hell, they practically are now.

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  58. You do remember the InVasion right?


    Picture it this time with even SHITTIER workers.


    And HHH.

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  59. You might be onto something.

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  60. World Class Wrestling's big mistake was leaving the NWA and going alone.

    TNA's big mistake was leaving the NWA and going alone.

    They even got the last laugh on ECW and WCW.

    Don't fuck with the NWA

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  61. It's gonna happen eventually. Might as well get it out of the way while Sting, Kurt Angle, and Jeff Hardy can still walk.

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  62. Screw Taker vs Sting at Wrestlemania 30.
    Give me Taker vs Angle at Wrestlemania 30!

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  63. I bet if WWE asks nicely they'll be allowed to rejoin NWA.

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  64. The NWA already killed the WWF.

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  65. No the WWF killed the WWF.


    I mean the one with the Pandas!

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  66. Wait a minute... WWF... Pandas... Panda Energy! It's all some kind conspiracy! Somebody make a diagram!

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  67. The pandas ran over the WWF on the NWA's orders.

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  68. I thought the WWF killed the WWF.

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  69. Get of Trips' back, goddamn it all!

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  70. Shhh, quiet or we might get Sting vs. Angle for Wrestlemania 30!

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  71. TNA IS A FALSE-FLAG WRESTLING PROMOTION FOLKS, JUST LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE

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  72. To Japan!

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  73. No doubt WWE sees them as competition. I mean Vince didn't bring back Bret Hart for shiggles......

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  74. And the AWA also broke away from the NWA.

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  75. Am I the only one who views this as good news for TNA? Pritchard is terrible.

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  76. So it could be anyone! That's no help.

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  77. Why are you talking about TNA's loans?

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  78. More accessible? Sure. Cheaper? Not a lot. I guess if you bought your DVDs the second they came out (at their full $20 cost) it would be, but still, you're asking normal people to pay $15 to see one show of an unknown entity, more if they want to follow storylines.

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  79. TNA must post here.

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  80. Caliber_VoorheesJuly 18, 2013 at 4:59 AM

    Do you mean going from a ball thrown by the Automotive Assistance of America to a ball thrown by Alcoholics Anonymous? What an odd weekend.

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  81. Caliber_VoorheesJuly 18, 2013 at 5:02 AM

    "Let the Pigeons loo---
    "Nope, those were repo'd"

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  82. Caliber_VoorheesJuly 18, 2013 at 5:11 AM

    I don't think this is bad. Pritchard was fired for letting things lapse and being all around terrible at his job. D-Lo? Well, he wasn't doing much either and was probably clearing $100,000 a year, WITHOUT wearing the vest. This just happens to be on the tail-end of them cutting some talent that wasn't doing much.

    If they'd recently ditched Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, and AJ Styles, then yeah, I'd think something was up. However, it just seems like some spring cleaning, really.

    If their road shows cost $600,000 each, I can only imagine what WWE's overhead costs are.

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  83. I think they are fine for now. If they lose their TV deal then they are done.

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  84. yeah... acronyms are fun

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  85. Caliber_VoorheesJuly 18, 2013 at 5:36 AM

    Haven't seen you around lately, not ever since Scott accused you of being part of 411 during the War Games....

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  86. Dirty_Dave_DelaneyJuly 18, 2013 at 6:23 AM

    My theory is the downvoter looks a little something like this...

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  87. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 18, 2013 at 6:26 AM

    I was about to say this.

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  88. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 18, 2013 at 6:28 AM

    It would be funny if McMahon is sitting in the WWE off thinking, "Sting HAS to come here now." Only to find out that he signed with ROH.

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  89. But that's what I'm saying, you can follow the product for free if all you watch is the tv show. How much money you pour in is entirely up to you

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  90. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 18, 2013 at 6:37 AM

    ...who me?

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  91. James M. FabianoJuly 18, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    The one thing I dread is that a certain big-fish-in-a-small-pond owner of a certain indy company will take credit for getting D-Lo fired, as they had a hissy fit against him for some reason or another. Just like with Bill DeMott.

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  92. I don't know about 2000 being the worst year in wrestling. I mean yeah, WCW was the drizzling shits and ECW was circling the drain, but the WWF was on fire most of that year.

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  93. What network would he put it on?

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  94. Yeah, but everybody knows that, including Vince. So even if some other third party (your FCW, ROH or some other content specialist/DVD distributor) thought they would by it, Vince would still use his limitless resources to price them out of the market. It's thousands of hours of content for the network (if it ever gets off the ground).

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  95. How much a part of their legitimately good creative turnaround was due to Pritchard? It seemed to happen right as he was taken on. I'd hate to see them lose a major part of why they turned around from the horror show of Russo, but then, it's clear that Bruce was TERRIBLE at the business side of things.

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  96. I really don't understand the panic behind this. 8 people that were barely being used and 2 backstage guys aren't with the company anymore. Is that really a big deal?

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  97. If Sting and Hogan leave, that should free up a TON of payroll. By all measurable data that we have, neither of those guys are positively affecting business enough to warrant the huge sums of money they make. Let them go as cost-cutting measures. I wouldn't be against cutting everyone who can't bring it in the ring.


    Scale down an cut costs until you are making money. Keep focusing on homegrown talent and you will eventually catch lightning in a bottle. Or you'll quietly go out of business, but at least you won't be bleeding millions.

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  98. From what I read in the observer, it costs them $600,000 for a TV taping and they are not getting higher ratings. It seems like taking TV to the road has been costing them a lot and they probably wont be able to go back to the Impact Zone.

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  99. People have been begging them to get out of the impact zone for years.

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  100. Caliber_VoorheesJuly 18, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    I was going for a Sting-in-the-rafters joke.

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  101. True, but since they left, business hasn't changed at all and the are spending a lot more money. I don't think they will go under in a year but its clear they are not going to grow anytime soon.

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  102. Caliber_VoorheesJuly 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Sting vs Angle from BFG is a ****1/2 match. Fantastic stuff.

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  103. Forming a corporation is not a difficult process at all actually

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  104. Joseph Park?

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  105. You said the same thing twice...

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  106. http://www.infowars.com

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  107. oh... duh me.


    I was getting upset at the blog's direction as of late, so rather than do a typical "BoD meltdown" like others, I'd just go fiddle around the internet and cool off.


    So "im back" hooray....

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  108. i must say that your name is awesome.

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  109. He sucked at talent relations, that's for sure. From what I hear, he was solid creatively but a lot of people would look good following Russo so who knows.

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  110. BFG 07?


    Imma have to rewatch that.

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  111. His stuff was mostly logical. So ill give him points for that.

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  112. If TNA went under, I can see them bringing in Aries, Magnus, Roode, and maybe Angle, Kazarian or Hardy. They probably bring in Storm and team him with Curt Hawkins

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  113. Speaking of RoH, they will go under before TNA. Honestly, I don't see RoH making it to 2015. This tournament they have does not look too impressive.

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  114. The only way that they're going to really grow is to get behind a big new star. A Hogan/Austin/Rock/Goldberg. That guy is not on the current roster. They have some nice pieces, but not a game-changer. That's just a fact.

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  115. I agree. They seem to be trying that with Magnus right now but he is not a game changer. And if you have that superstar potential, WWE will scoop you up before TNA even has a chance to look at you

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  116. Out of all of those guys Roode is the only "Immediate call up" sure thing.


    TNA actually made him a star and he was well on his way to becoming a money drawing heel.


    I mean HArdy/Angle are already made.


    Kaz was cut almost 7-8 years ago by WWE.
    Aries IIRC was dumped on the revamped TE.


    MAgnus would serve better to be in FCW to get some polish but he has a good look.

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  117. How long did it take Vince, Shane, The Big Boss Man, Slaughter, Patterson, Brisco, and The Rock to form The Corporation?


    (As a lawyer who does this thing, I do agree on the substance.)

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  118. Roode should be in the WWE.
    Vince might give Angle or Hardy a chance to come back.
    Magnus in FCW is a good idea.
    Kaz has some height and isn't that old. He only lasted a month or so before leaving and only wrestled on Velocity but he could go right to the main roster. Daniels is in his 40's so I don't see the WWE looking his way.
    I think they wanted Aries to lead their rumored cruiserweight-exclusive show they proposed for the WWE Network. He might be the best in-ring worker TNA has right now.
    They might even consider a guys like Jesse and Robbie E for FCW
    Guys like Joe, Sabin, and AJ would probably go to RoH or Japan.
    Hernandez could go to Mexico, as could Abyss. Maybe Chavo too.
    The rest will be in the indies or finding a new profession.

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  119. i agree but thats a lot of guys on the payroll when alot of them can earn "top dollar" on the indy circuit.


    I wouldnt be shocked to see Abyss in the WWE and wasted in FCW.


    But as we both said Roode is absolute best sure thing TNA to make a great splash. He is money, more on the heel side, but he can work face after he gets over.

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  120. Id say they would more towards guys to fill their giant new developmental facility than guys who could be on the roster. They have a lot of mid-card guys already, unless they really want to bring in more to replace some of the guys they already have. I would love to see Angle do one last run though. The guy is a fucking lunatic.

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  121. I'm down for hardy vs punk round 2 or Hardy vs cena for the kiddie babyface crown. Plus it might be cool to see angle come back. It sucks for the Dudley's unless they want to go from main eventers to road agents but maybe they should have tried harder to draw more money.

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  122. Scream09_HartKillerJuly 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    If they're letting D-Lo Brown go you know they're throwing in the towel.

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  123. I posted this in the other thread but I have NO idea how the firing of Bruce Pritchard and D'Lo Brown indicates the end of TNA. Pritchard wasn't doing his job and deserved to be fired. He constantly was letting contracts expire or get to near expiration including a top talent in Bobby Roode. D'Lo, while I'm sure he is a good agent, isn't a big loss either.

    How does this mean TNA is going under? It blows my mind how much the internet fans blow everything out of proportion. Now if Hogan quit or Hardy was released then yes it could indicate something, but BROTHER LOVE AND D'LO BROWN? Come on guys. TNA is in great shape. Their house shows are drawing better than ever before and they are actually getting money for ticket sales on their Impact tapings unlike the free tickets at the Impact Zone.

    My money is that they let Jeff Jarrett do the booking or bring back Russo. Who knows?

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  124. The key here will be who TNA tries to replace Pritchard with. If Russo comes back, the company is dead. Even TNA supporters like me will leave.


    Sadly Heyman is locked up tight now...had this only happened two years ago, Dixie might've been desperate enough to give Paul what he wanted.


    I'd beg Sapolsky to come in and be head booker and use EVOLVE/DGATE as a talent trading pool.


    Either that or Shane O'Mac.

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  125. Doctor FunkopolisJuly 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    If Shane was in charge, then TNA would be the Mugen to WWE's Honda.

    That'd be interesting.

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  126. Was Slaughter ever really in the Corporation? In early '98, he was one of the Stooges, but didn't stick around too long in that role.

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  127. I like the Gabe idea. Brilliant stuff.

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  128. WHOA!! Fuj is back!!! YES!

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  129. The Polish HammerJuly 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Completely agree. TNA has so much dead weight, they could get rid of half their remaining roster and hardly anyone would notice. These cuts are a good thing, saving money they were spending for more good reason.

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  130. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    'Kaz was cut almost 7-8 years ago by WWE.'


    kaz asked for his release. he did a month on velocity and when a producer or an agent or someone backstage after that month asked him 'who are you' when kaz approached with a questions, kaz was like 'f this.'

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  131. Can't even do a good invasion angle because everyone in the audience would just be like...TN what?....

    Seriously though...come home Kurt, we miss you.

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  132. Should've signed Tim Tebow and done this.

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  133. If it'd let me, I'd downvote a hundred more times. The Invasion is enough reason alone. Not that TNA's a strong number 2, but at least it's a mainstream alternative for fans and another place to work. Plus, fuck the McMahons. WWE has sucked since Stephanie joined the "Creative" team.

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  134. I hear there's a bingo hall in Philly that's available.

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  135. Didn't they close or tear down or ban wrestling shows in ECW Arena aka Viking Hall?

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  136. If you're doing it by yourself, sure. If you're doing it with a bunch of people all looking to protect their own interests...

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  137. Entrant number 24 in the 2014 Royal Rumble Kurt Angle... Calling it now.

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  138. Since when did releasing a bunch of jobbers and people nobody care about mean you're going under?

    People have been begging for TNA to cut their roster down for years and now that they are, those same people are ready to call them good as dead.

    Smh.

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  139. He's as vanilla as it gets.

    Should have pushed Joe as an unbeatable monster in 2007 and never looked back.


    For that matter, he never should have lost to Angle. I said it in 2006 and I say it now.

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  140. They were going to renovate it into a music space but that fell through.

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  141. 2003 on the other hand...

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  142. Depends on how much money they make for Sinclair. If Sinclair pulls out, I'm with you. If not, I doubt it happens.

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  143. Don't forget that Joe is good friends with Punk and Cena.

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  144. Yeah, and imagine if the WWE drew like TNA did. I think Vince would have a stroke.

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  145. Yeah, you're right, but that doesn't mean it's a good business decision. Shit, I'd love for them to turn Cena heel but you'd think they have an accountant who crunches the numbers and says, "let's cool it on that".

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  146. Bring Sapolsky if he learns how to pay off an angle. Great matches but good God did the man not know to strike when the iron was hot.

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  147. True, but I think a lot of that was from ROH's small roster. When you only have like 16 guys, you have to make them last.

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  148. dont worry abt random down voter here...


    He came back when I came back. I <3 my haters,

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  149. SD was still pretty enjoyable in '03.

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  150. my bad i thought he got fired cuz he wouldnt cut his hair

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  151. Ill get off his back... when you get off his dick.

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  152. the wrestling was... the stories... not so much

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  153. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    ya know what, i kinda remember something about that, so i might be wrong

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  154. lets us just both be right.


    FUCK THE DIRT SHEETZ!

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  155. I still say '95 myself. And this is as an unabashed Diesel and Owen & Yoko mark.

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  156. He told me it was an XL Twinkie, Honest Injun.

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  157. NXT is pretty awesome, I heard.

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