Daniel Bryan and Brie Bella are Engaged
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Mickie James Turned Down TNA Contract Offer
Mickie was reportedly offered a contract for $60,000 a year to stay with TNA but turned them down. Mickie still wants to focus on her music career and is now charging $1,800 per appearance on the Independent scene.
Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Zema Ion Interview
Its hard to not feel bad for the guy after listening to this.
http://www.thepainclinic.net/
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Mickie James Turned Down TNA Contract Offer
Mickie was reportedly offered a contract for $60,000 a year to stay with TNA but turned them down. Mickie still wants to focus on her music career and is now charging $1,800 per appearance on the Independent scene.
Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Zema Ion Interview
Its hard to not feel bad for the guy after listening to this.
http://www.thepainclinic.net/
TNA pays better than I would have thought.
ReplyDeleteThe indies pay a LOT better than I would have thought.
Once you establish a name for yourself, and you find yourself a half way decent agent you CAN make a decent living on the indies... still a shitty lifestyle though. Sounds like she made the right decision though... if she books 3 shows a month for the year she makes more than she would in TNA... and the indies are still going to be around in a year.
ReplyDeleteDon't do it Daniel!!!
ReplyDeleteShe turned down $60k? Damn.
ReplyDeleteBrie to Nikki: "You thinking what I'm thinking?"
ReplyDeleteNikki to Brie: "We are not switching men."
So the question is, is Daniel going to be forced to buy a "I don't have a small penis, I swear" sized mansion like John Cena.
ReplyDeleteEngagement: Hope they remain a happy couple.
ReplyDeleteMickie: Good luck to her.
Zema: Damn.
How long before HHH insists on Brie turning on Bryan within the storyline, and they show a Steph/Brie/HHH threeway segment? Because you know, HHH is the coolest guy ever.
ReplyDeleteThat and she can get gigs with her band. She can wrestle less and make money with her band.
ReplyDeleteIm really ignorant to what TNA pays their roster but 60k seems pretty cheap? Is this in line with what they pay their wonen, or was it a low ball offer?
ReplyDeleteI would think that $60k is a pretty good wage for a woman in a second rate promotion, honestly.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably not insultingly low, but I bet it was a pay cut.
ReplyDeleteThey only work a few house shows a month now so it isn't that bad. If you want a part-time schedule, it isn't a bad way to make a living.
ReplyDeleteBrie: "You are so much better of a lover! You are an A+ and the face of my vagina"
ReplyDeleteYea, thats true. Never really thought of the light house show schedule. Just struck me as low for a tv regular, but like I said im not familiar with what they pay their rostet.
ReplyDeleteLolololol 60k omg you gotta be joking that's hysterical
ReplyDeleteMost of roster (including many prominent mid carders) get 750 a show
ReplyDeleteYeah but do they get health insurance?
ReplyDeleteWell she could ask for a million dollars per show, doesn't mean she's gonna get it
ReplyDeleteForget about insurance. Will those pay checks even clear?
ReplyDeletePaul Heyman?
ReplyDeleteWhat do they work, 6 dates a month tops? Not bad in that regard.
ReplyDeleteWhat's a ticket to an indy show go for? Ballpark?
ReplyDeleteNot only do they have to pay the booking fee, they also usually cover transportation and a hotel. That's why indy wrestlers get like $20 a show. After renting a building and a ring and paying for Mickie James and Honky Tonk Man to come in there really isn't much money to go the guys that are there every show trying to learn and progress.
ReplyDeleteA lot of times you'll see things like $25 front row and $15 general admission. Not unusual to see shows that are around $10-12 range either though.
ReplyDeleteBrie: "Hey Daniel, would you like anal tonight?"
ReplyDeleteD.Bry: "YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!"
If Mickie's music and indy wrestling career doesn't work out she can always go back to porn! I pay money to see 'Hardcore Cuntry'!
ReplyDeleteI've never paid more than $20. I don't know how indy guys pay their bills honestly. 200 people max, let's assume they all paid $20 (they don't but whatever). So a good crowd makes $4,000 gross.
ReplyDeleteBooking 1 star (they get travel + hotel on top of their fee) + renting the facility and you're almost breaking even right there. Even assuming the other 20 guys on the card are moving your stuff and setting up the ring for free and covering their own expenses because they're local, still even with a good sized crowd for the indies you don't make any money.
That's what I thought. I've never been to an indy show, but the ones that I've seen on Youtube have always been a couple of hundred people MAYBE. Even at 20-25 a ticket (which is more than I would have thought they'd go for), and assuming that Mickie James is facing Tara or some similar star power, your gate is gone to the main event alone. Let alone the venue, the other workers, or any other overhead at all.
ReplyDelete$10 in advance, $15 at the door for my local indy.
ReplyDeleteDaniel Bryan and Brie Bella are Engaged
ReplyDeleteCena just had the heat turned on...
Go back to?
ReplyDeleteNo Mickie James ass in short shorts on my tv, means absolute zero interest in that company.
ReplyDeletebrie: 'ok, bend over'
ReplyDeletethe infamous example is that while working for tna, taylor wilde had to supplement her income by working at a sunglass hut in the mall
ReplyDeleteSo if you werent worth 35 million you wouldnt indulge and have a cool pad in a state with no taxes and a cheaper cost of living?? If he was living in NJ or Mass that house would be worth triple. Just saying I think most ppl would get a house like that if they could.
ReplyDeleteWhat a strange way to look at it.
ReplyDeleteExactly this. So Cena is compensating with his house but The Rock just bought a huge mansion after selling another one and he's a manly man? What about every Hollywood actor ever?
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure the Face of My Vagina is an 80's horror film.
ReplyDeleteBUT having to pay for their own travel, lodging, etc....
ReplyDeleteIm sure they do more than just 6 dates. Lets see, 4 impacts, 1 ppv, idk 10 house shows?
I'm sure it was discussed on this blog a long time ago but there were guys insisting she had previously been in porno films, although it turned out to be somebody who looked a bit like Mickie!
ReplyDeleteShe definitely posed nude.
ReplyDeleteShe did some nude modeling when she was under Dory Funk (not a surprise if you know how he atleast use to do business), and some foot fetish,panty sniffing stuff or whatever it was.
ReplyDeleteNo porn though. The girl people claim is her doesnt even look like her at all really
Depends on the size of the fed. Local Toronto feds are 15-20
ReplyDeleteRoh tickets reach as high as 70 bucks for the front row
Plus, you're dealing with shitty NJ or Mass weather vs. Tampa. A no-brainer all the way around. And he has a private jet to shuttle up to the northeast and visit family anytime he wants.
ReplyDeleteIf she's getting $1800/appearance it would take 33 or 34 appearances to equal that.
ReplyDeleteNo fed that's drawing under 350 a night will higher Mickie at that price.
ReplyDeleteIt was reported Morrison was/is charging 5 grand
They don't work anywhere near 10 house shows a month. And aren't some of the impacts taped?
ReplyDeleteI thought really well known indy guys often had to take pay cuts to while they paid their dues in WWE developmental.
ReplyDeleteTV tapings are every two weeks
ReplyDeleteLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
ReplyDeleteNo.
Yeah, I wasn't really counting ROH, they're a higher class of indy.
ReplyDeleteAre there indy's that draw that many?
ReplyDeleteNot trying to be smart, I've never been to one as I say.
This poor bugger almost kills himself in front of MAYBE 50?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQ_s9nyYKE
How do you mean by how Dory Funk use to do business? I'm intrigued!
ReplyDeleteShe did several explicit nude shoots in her younger days. I mean, like buttcheek-spread, zoomed-in kinda stuff. That's where the "I'm thinking Arby's" Mickie meme is referring to.
ReplyDeleteThat may apply to a few tip top guys in ROH who are also keeping their schedule busy with lots of indie dates, but it'd be a rare exception.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't even call ROH an indy, seeing as how they're owned by a huge corporation and tour a big chunk of the country. Really, if you call ROH an indy company you have to call TNA and indy company too.
ReplyDeleteI don't think any indy company makes much of a profit. Well, CZW must be making something if they've hung around this long, but your local indy fed probably considers breaking even a victory. It's not the sort of thing you get into to make money.
ReplyDeleteAlexis Larie, I think.
ReplyDeleteThreadjack: Just beat GTAV!
ReplyDeleteI did the math on her 1,800 per show fee. She needs 33 shows to hit 60K. There are 21 Impacts and 4 ppvs... she'd almost definitely work more than 33 shows for the 60K TNA offered.
ReplyDeleteAnd again I can't see any more firm proof of what horrible, horrible shape this company is in if they're offering so little to one of their best performers.
She's getting 60K and could break her neck at any time, without insurance. This company can go fuck itself if that's what they think of their employees.
ReplyDeleteWow my bf makes more as a computer programmer than what they offered Mickie . . .
ReplyDeleteYeah, but why should they offer her any more? No matter what TNA does or who they bring in they still get the same ratings and buyrates. She, or anyone else that works there, should take the $60k and smile about it.
ReplyDeleteHow much does Hogan make?
ReplyDeleteHow much did they spend bringing in Flair, Bischoff, Taz (what does he add to the product; think he's sticking around for $60k).
They should offer her more because she deserves to be paid more than $60,000 for risking a broken neck on TV for them.
TNA's offce is mismanaging the books and failing to grow the business. That's not Mickie James falut.
I don't disagree, Hogan, Bischoff, and Taz should be sent packing too, seeing how none of them have made a dime for the company. Same for Mickie, though.
ReplyDeleteSomeone said a few weeks back that the best course of action would be to just clean house and hire nothing but indy guys at indy wages, then find someone to book them properly. That probably is the best course of action at this point.
Fair, replace ROH with Chikara, PWG, or DGUSA
ReplyDeleteChikara High noon did 864 and over 1000 ppv buys
ReplyDeletePWG does 250-500, average in 2006 was 317.
Current average difficult to find
I've always wondered how PWG stays afloat. They seem to draw about the same as the indy I go to, but they have to be paying their workers a lot more just to cover travel costs.
ReplyDeleteThey have cut down on the number of shows they run in recent years...reaqd into that as you will.
ReplyDeletePWG has the benefit of little competition. Name another major indy on the west coast, I imagine that helps with keeping fans loyal (buying merch and DVD's)
Rise Above Matrimony!
ReplyDeleteI'd pay all the money to see an on-screen Bryan/AJ reunion.
ReplyDeleteOn-scren Bryan/Brie Bella couple = No Buys
I went to an indy show a few years ago (OSPW, Old School Pro Wrestling) where there were a total of about 15 people in the crowd. And they should be lucky to have drawn that many, this was the most 2-bit Steel Reserve league indy shit ever. Like, if ROH is the Triple-A to the WWE major leagues, OSPW was the equivalent of me and my brother tossing around a baseball in my yard.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but that's the problem, most of the guys that work those shows have to fly in from the East coast.
ReplyDeleteWell, they're traveling now twice a month and they have their house shows that no one goes to, so if they don't get cancelled, so I'm thinking that's more like $30-40K, and even then, the check will still be late.
ReplyDeletehats the first thing i was gonna say.
ReplyDeleteNo way in hell she gets that fee on the indy circuit.
This aint 2005 Mickie... this is 2013 Mickie.
ROH is an indy.
ReplyDelete5 grand? No way in hell was he even making that much in WWE.
ReplyDeleteNo, it isn't. Not that there's anything wrong with being an indy.
ReplyDeleteTheres nothing wrong with being an indy.
ReplyDeleteROH is one. TNA is a glorified indy pretending to be national when they should be regional.
The one here charges $10 a ticket (though they give a lot away) there is always around 300 people. He says he makes most of his money on concessions. He also runs a wrestling school that charges $75 a month. I know the rent for his place is $1500 a month and he often has to use his own money to keep the company afloat... so I have no idea how an average indy could afford $1800... especially for someone like Mickie James who isn't really going to bring people in. The biggest names he has ever had were two of the jobbers Ryback squashed... 1 of them fucks Catilyn I believe.
ReplyDeleteROAST BEEF!
ReplyDeleteDoes Mickie have a music career? Didn't she need fans to make donations to cover her recording costs?
ReplyDeleteJohn Cena's having a large house and a small penis are purely coincidental.
ReplyDeleteAnd isn't he a 2CW (upstate New York) regular?
ReplyDeleteExcept the Young Bucks, who I WISH lived out east. You have no idea how much I miss Superkick parties in ROH
ReplyDeleteI suppose that's one way of looking at it, but I don't see how you can call a promotion "independent" when they're owned and financed by a huge company.
ReplyDeleteI think so, but you'd have to ask Murph. I'm pretty sure he does Tommy Dreamer's shows.
ReplyDeletebut they have the look and feel of an indy promotion...
ReplyDeletebut backed by a huge company... that's a poser.
If you watch Total Divas, my comment makes perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteGuys like Drake Younger, Young Bucks, Joey Ryan, Willie Mack, etc... Are West coast based I believe. Steen is obviously Canadian, but% thin a lot of pwg guys live in CA or the northwest.
ReplyDeleteThe original owner Zandig had to sell CZW to pay debts. DJ Hyde has been running it for a while now but I haven't watched an actual show since Hero/Kingston ended with Kingston geting excommunicated for not letting Zandig have his HHH moment.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind people buying themselves big houses when they can afford to do so. But when you see someone like Cena (and Nikki) looking down on a house that Bryan himself chooses to live in, it sends a different message about the person.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The Bellas just come across as so unlikable and disingenuous. I can't help but feel like they're being presented to us as the "good guys" in this feud with AJ, but they just come across as the stereotypical "mean girls" when they give AJ the "LOSER" sign.
ReplyDeleteIf I could work three or four days a month and make 60k, I'd jump at the opportunity.
ReplyDeleteI dont blame her, if you have a mortgage, its tough to live off 50-60k a year. Youd think she could do something besides sunglass hut though
ReplyDeleteYea, 60k sounds bad. According to WSJ, tbe average single male under 36 makes 58k, youd think a TV performer in an entertainment company would make significantly more. I don't care who you are, if you gave a mortgage, 60k aint alot. Been there, done that
ReplyDeleteThe girls that trained under him also would do nude modeling on the side. Not all of them, but still
ReplyDeleteBlade would agree
ReplyDeleteanother thing to consider the show is fake, so maybe those really werent john and "daniel's" houses. they coulda given him the shithole house for dramatic effect? lol
ReplyDeleteThat's a pretty naive way of looking at business. You don't get paid based on what you "deserve" you get paid based on how much you bring in for the company you work for, which in her case is nothing. By that standard 60k is overpaying
ReplyDeleteIf I were to guess I'll bet Mickie sees a cut of any merch, plus she can work other feds. This sounds like a downside.
ReplyDeleteThree or four days a month!? Has TNA stopped running house shows now?
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget that that's 60k BEFORE taxes and expenses, which doesn't work out to all that much.
ObamaCare!
ReplyDeleteUm, a high end computer programmer / architect can make a *TON* of money. Not like Cena-levels of millions and millions, but you can be pretty comfortable.
ReplyDeleteShe mostly plays small shows in dive bars from what I'm aware of.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, the fact that Mickie is no long on their show is a huge reason for me to stop watching.
ReplyDeleteBut she could make more than that doing indy gigs and autograph signings.
ReplyDeleteTommy Dreamer makes a hell of a living on the indy circuit.
Yeah, that wasn't even really Bryan's house (though he did live there as a kid and teenager). It's still his parent's house, Danielson hasn't lived there in years.
ReplyDeleteBefore he got with Brie, he was living in Las Vegas. And they were living together in San Diego for awhile before the Total Divas show even started.
You watch total divas?
ReplyDeleteDid you see the Total Divas reunion show? Cena was asked if he planned to propose to Nikki, and he answered "No" so fast I thought he was on Family Feud.
ReplyDeleteI think people are overlooking a few things with Mickie.
ReplyDelete1) This was most likely a downside. No major company has operated without one since the 1990s. This doesn't account for merch, bonuses, etc.
2) How often did Mickie actually appear on Impact? She'd make a few appearances for about three months then go on tour with her band or work on her music. She was working a part-time job in TNA to begin with.
3) There's a good chance TNA was trying to get rid of her. They did it with a number of other people like Anderson. So they low-ball her in hopes she won't take the deal, which she didn't. They now have X amount of dollars to use on someone who is fully committed to the company and isn't constantly taking time off to launch her music career.
Was this survey for the average reader of the WSJ? Because that would skew the demographic a lot. That's kind of a vague survey there.
ReplyDeleteI dont think there were restrictions on it. Im single and about to be 30 and almost all my friends are in that pay range so def believed it.
ReplyDeleteDoes TNA pay for travel? If not, she may not be making much of anything on 60K?
ReplyDeleteCan you loan it to me? I promise to give it back before the end of the century!
ReplyDeleteI prefer her work for foot fetish magazines.
ReplyDeleteYou...you believe the shit they say on a reality show?
ReplyDeleteI gotta say the numbers you claim to have read is wildly out of context. I can't fact check it myself but I remember seeing US Census Bureau stats for single males 25+ being much less than the 58k you saw for less than 36. You had to overlook something in those stats and no, your small sample size of friends you know isn't good enough to back those findings.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't poverty-level either; it's still perfectly comfortable to live on...except that she's used to earning higher than that and so it is her wont to have not taken the offer. But let's not paint a picture that 60k is a Mcdonald's cashier.
ReplyDeleteIn his DVD, Triple H talks about "starving" with a 52k contract in WCW. In 1993.
ReplyDelete60k doesn't go nearly as far as you think it would when you are responsible for all of your expenses.
Good point as we're strictly speaking in terms of the wrestling biz. 60k for others Mickie's age isn't anything to sneeze at and that's what I was driving at but that's not the point on this board. My bad for taking it out of the wrestling context.
ReplyDeleteDude, I stated what I read. If you have a mortgage, which I bet most people in their 30s do, its still living paycheck to paycheck. Just because you're probably in this demographic and make significantly less, doesnt make it factually incorrect. 58 k isnt a ton of money
ReplyDeleteI actually don't make significantly less and according to what you read, I'll reach 58k by the time I reach 35 in my place of employment. But again, just because you know some friends that meet this stat doesn't make what you read factually correct and I still don't believe it's true. That being said, I will agree it is true you can't make it on 58k with a mortgage as a single living person...obviously.
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