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Dusty Rhodes is on RAW tomorrow.  Fitting given the ending of the PPV, I guess.  What an odd series of booking decisions in this Bad For Business feud.  All we need is Kevin Nash returning to stick the winner to complete the suck if they really do go with the Jericho 2000 "Stricken from the record and ref fired" non-finish.   Because hey, they can always bring in Road Dogg to avenge his brother or something. 

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  1. The fact Orton wasn't trying to kick out of the "fast pin" is a bit suspicious. Heard the other big theory is that Orton screwed up backstage somehow, forcing a fast rewrite to the ending. Guess we'll have to see.

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  2. I'd greatly prefer they go for the Dusty fast count angle and have HHH order Big Show or the Shield to take the title from Bryan, give it to HHH and he then hands it back to Orton rather than another less than 24 hour reign for Bryan.



    Where are people hearing that Orton screwed up backstage because I haven't seen it in any of the usual places.

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  3. Apparently the aimless ramblings of Zanadude count for something now

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  4. Imagination, I guess, to find a reason for the bizarre finish where there's no schmoz and DB wins clean, albeit with a fast count.

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  5. The booking here is so confusing it's hard to even call it bad. It's so nonsensical it is almost wcw like.

    I bet we are being made fun of for complaining about the booking of Bryan winning.

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  6. Hopefully this just leads to a rematch at the next PPV. I'm find with Orton regaining the title, but a straight up dusty finish or a 24 hour title reign again would make Bryan look bad, I think. Maybe at the next PPV.

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  7. Road Dogg avenging his brother is terrible, so of course it'll happen. Scott was a much better wrestler; can't we just have him fight for himself?

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  8. How would it make Bryan look bad? He did nothing wrong.


    What it would do is make the WWE Title look bad.

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  9. Zanadude is dead. Long live Zanatude!

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  10. Yeah, he should definitely be trying to kick out of the move that knocked Cena out cold for the three count.

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  11. The ending makes me think this will mirror Mankind/Rock (Rock Bottom PPV) where somehow due to a technicality DB will get screwed out of the title and it will be handed back to Orton on Raw.

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  12. Or it could mirror Cena/RVD (One Night Stand) where everyone was sure that the title change would be overturned, only to find out on RAW that, yes, what happened would actually be allowed to stand.

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  13. The WWE's Power Couple speaks!

    http://www.wwe.com/videos/daniel-bryan-talks-about-how-it-feels-to-be-wwe-champion-again-wwecom-exclusive-26148751
    http://www.wwe.com/videos/aj-lee-talks-about-her-big-win-at-night-of-champions-wwecom-exclusive-sept-15-20-26148651

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  14. Not saying I agree, but I think if, after making such a big deal out of Bryan winning the title, they dump it off of him within a day at most two months in a row, I think it could make him look bad. One time is fine...if they make a habit of it, it could make people reluctant to even bother celebrating a Bryan win, if he won't even have it a week from then.

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  15. OR : we wake up tomorrow and it was aaaallll a dream

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  16. Watching Raw for the 1st time since SS. If the GaySex Predator gets handed the belt again, i'm off this show again.

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  17. Orton. Dude looks like the type of douchebag that'd force himself sexually on another guy.

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  18. Hey, people complained about bryan being beaten up every week. He got his revenge, so sorted. You fans are never happy...

    And I called it on ryback!

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  19. HHH is over confident that Orton doesn't need back up, orders the Shield to stand down. It flies back in his face but he gets lucky with the Dusty finish and reverses the decision tonight. At the next PPV, HHH doesn't take any chances and gets everyone to run in and screw Bryan in the rematch. Bryan gets Orton one on one finally at HIAC and beats him clean to win the title.

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  20. I know they'll probably just do a Dusty Finish but the angle would work just fine with Bryan keeping the title.
    Have HHH be pissed and have him stack the deck against Bryan at the next PPV to a ridiculous degree ala Austin-Dude Love at Over the Edge. Vince becomes the voice of reason and recognizes that HHH and Bryan is like his situation with Austin and he tries to warn HHH that he should just accept the fact that Bryan's champion.
    At the next PPV, Bryan overcomes the odds and beats Orton again.
    HHH flips out and turns on Orton for "failing" him. Eventually, HHH turns on Vince too to set up the WrestleMania thing.
    After a few months of failing to get the title off Bryan, HHH grows desperate and brings back his former nemesis Brock.
    Wouldn't that work fine from a storyline standpoint?

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  21. What an odd thing to say. You're odd, sir.

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  22. The only problem with that is HHH wasn't overconfident. He told Orton that he needed to prove himself, almost putting himself at odds with Orton. Orton started complaining at the PPV about changing their winning formula and taking away his advantages: "If it isn't broke, don't fix it." The actions of HHH were pretty odd on this night.

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  23. How dare people downvote you, Mr. Owens.

    I will say this: Randy Orton certainly comes across as a date rapist. Not a full-on, knife-to-the-throat-rapity-rape rapist, but definitely a spike-the-drink-and-not-even-offer-to-buy-her-a-drink date rapist. He's a creepola, and not because there's something homoerotic about him on top of that (I think it's the swimmer's body and douchebag tattoos).

    Anyway, if we were to bypass the "innocent until proven guilty" rule just once, I'd use it on him. Lock him up and throw away the key, and make sure he didn't jam a spare up his ass on the way in.

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  24. I can't hear you, you don't have enough posts. ;)

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  25. Rather they do the following: HHH tries to strip Bryan of the belt, Linda shows up to lay the smack down on Steph and HHH for being assholes (and putting a monster like Randy Orton as their company face; fucking have her remind them that he tried to kill the lot of them a while back and the whole dishonorable discharge/AWOL crap) and force them to go with someone who won't embarrass the company.
    Cue Cult of Personality and CM Punk giving some variant of the "Snake and the Farmer" speech, freeing him from the fail and AIDS of feuding with Heyman, and giving us HHH/Punk as wacky partners that don't get along (Punk wants to beat Bryan fair and square, HHH wants to cheat the fuck out of Bryan) and the added bonus of people not knowing whether or not Punk truly has turned evil or is playing a long con to help Bryan out.
    Bonus points, when Punk fails, they will have the perfect excuse for them having HHH and Brock Lesner finally joining forces. Pissed off that Punk failed and played him like a chump, when Punk reveals that he only joined forces with HHH to slow down the HHH rampaging monster train, HHH goes to Heyman to buy Brock's contract and ends up paying an obscene amount to get Brock as his new henchman.
    Meanwhile Ambrose goes rogue and tries to beat Bryan for the belt, giving us Bryan/Ambrose, Brock/Punk, and freeing shit so Cena can come back, say Bryan and Punk have HHH on the run, and concentrate on his new pet project: beating Undertaker at WM......

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  26. So... I just read the results.


    And the popular opinion is a Dusty Finish on RAW?


    Ummm... Fuck the paying customer?


    And is that supposed to drive business for the next PPV?

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  27. Well, at least DB isn't leaving the company after the show, like the last time someone did a Dusty finish like this on PPV. He probably won't kill his family, either.

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  28. Sadly yes. I would assume, they realized having Bryan lose at the PPV would drive business away, so they will strip him of the belt on Raw (pissing off viewers who won't watch Raw anymore and not buy the next PPV) in terms of alienating people that way instead

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  29. OR: we get a rematch tomorrow, Orton whiffs on an RKO attempt as Bryan moves behind him. Orton turns around to see Bryan running toward him and elevate his kneeEXECUTIVE PRODUCER VINCE GILLIGAN.

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  30. I gotta start reading usernames before reading posts...

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  31. The whole night was a fine way of destroying PPV business. Outside of the double-sharpshooter, the 'title change' and the Ryback moment, I'm struggling to think of anything that differentiates it from Raw.

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  32. I question whether you actually believe what you write sometimes

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  33. It would appear we've soaked up someone from 411 or something

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  34. Quite an accusation coming from a guy who's avatar looks like Mel Phillips.

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  35. The popular opinion is wrong.

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  36. Then my guess is that is the start of planting the seeds for Vince vs HHH then.

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  37. Considering barely anyone bought this PPV, I don't think it matters much.

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  38. What quick and updated information as possible gives us.

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  39. And by proxy, the guy who has been cheated out the title now TWICE in consecutive PPVs.


    Can't let the big one stick.


    It leaves an impression like not winning the big one either.

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  40. What is this I don't even?

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  41. Some replicants don't even know they're replicants.

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  42. Another thing I hate.

    Building PPV build to TV, rather than the other way around.

    I understand that the whole story hasn't been told, but matches like this screws over the paying fan.

    They are going to be gunshy paying for the next PPV.

    One thing that has me flustered is why book a one on one match so soon after the screwjob? Why not book a 6-8man tag so Bryan could actually get a pin over Orton and stand tall. Yeah, its not for the title, but all those beatdown on RAW would mean something. Plus it would give some good heat heading into the cage.



    -Yeah you have the numbers game on me, cuz you all know I can beat you one on one
    -With the odd evened up, at NoC I can show the world that you are all cowards


    Now, let me get you inside a cage with no interference and see what happens.

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  43. I didn't know you had PPV information this soon.


    Hmmph.


    Sharing is caring.

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  44. Floyd fight last night was 80 bucks. Johnny Bones fights next week on PPV. WWE couldn't have picked a worst spot for a PPV.

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  45. I've never made it the whole way through one of his scenarios.

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  46. During the real brand split, there would be a PPV-Lite edition of Raw in sync with the SD PPV, and vice versa. This would've been the ideal situation for the feud, because you'd have Bryan vs. Orton with the Dusty finish on one episode, and the decision reversal on the next. Then, you advertise the next PPV as HIAC, and people are invested.

    With their current schedule they're damned if you do, damned if you don't; Bryan kinda needed the pinfall because a DQ or an Orton victory might have spelled doom for Bryan's heat.

    Oh well. The real money is in Triple H getting his comeuppance from Bryan, so at least you can salvage Orton by having his failures as Corporate Champ awakening Trips to step up to take on Bryan come WrestleMania.

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  47. WWE was between Mayweather and Jones?

    No wonder they didn't try hard.

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  48. That's good. It usually ends with a bukkake facial.

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  49. Oh so you are psychic now?


    Can you give me the Powerball numbers please?


    I promise I will split it with you.*


    (*I won't split it with you)

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  50. If the real money is HHH/Bryan, then why keep Orton protected (if they do a dusty finish)?


    If the popular opinion is Dusty finish on RAW, wouldn't that put a dent on Bryan's drawing power because basically they are back the night after Summerslam in terms of booking.


    Does anyone wanna go through 4-5 weeks of Bryan being laid out again?


    I agree that with a real brand split this could have been fleshed out more to a greater payoff 2 months down the road, however they really didn't have to book a return match so soon. They could have done a tag match of some sort. Bryan goes over, all the RAW beatdowns are rendered moot, crowd is happy, someone else is programmed on top, now we got some good heat towards an eventual one on one match which people are gonna pay for as well.

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  51. I think even UFC may take a hit because of how expensive the Mayweather fight was and the fact that Bones' opponent isn't a marquee guy.

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  52. Sherlock Homes is in the house.

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  53. LOL. Exactly. I was thinking the same thing.

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  54. My guess is they want Orton protected until Triple H takes his place in order to squeeze as many Orton/Bryan matches out of the deal as possible. WWE don't really run tag matches as big deals on PPV any more, but if they did in this scenario they'd have a variation of Shield/Orton vs. Bryan/??? saved for Survivor Series.

    Honestly, I can't fill in the blanks for what they're trying to accomplish between the next PPV and WM. If Bryan loses the title for a second or third time so that he wins the Rumble, it'd feel really telegraphed like Cena's last Rumble win. If Triple H made himself the 30th entrant and cheats to win that'd be something. If someone won only to challenged for the WHC, that's kind of a cop out in my view.

    Given this scenario, I'd give the green light and have Bryan stripped of the belt, and in order to get another shot he has a PPV match against BROCK. Brock goes over to be kept strong for the Punk rematch, and Bryan loses nothing because it's Brock + interference. Then you have the Survivor Series elimination match to have him go over without winning the belt, and either him or Hunter win the Rumble.

    On a sidenote: fuck Del Rio. Turn Ziggler heel again and have him face RVD for the belt at WM30. For funsies, make it a ladder match.

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  55. At least if they do that, DB can walk around yelling "No, I'M the WWE Champion!"

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  56. It's entirely possible that Dana orchestrated their potentially lowest drawing card in a long time to line up with the annual Mayweather fight.

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  57. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiA1NVEf9K4



    No! The defense is WRONG!

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  58. Daniel Bryan is taking a backseat to his very own feud.

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  59. No, if anything Daniel Bryan gets elevated above the WWE title. He becomes John Cena, who can laugh away any loss because it doesn't change the fact that he's better than everyone.

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  60. That was the most dire fucking PPV I've seen in many, many years

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  61. Man Charlie Owens has been following wrestling since before the days of 411. Sure he sucks in Fantasy Football, but he's not a bad guy. Also, this "411!" is the lamest flame I've seen online in some time.

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  62. Sometimes it's a bad idea to share your secret fantasies.

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  63. Or that Jesus is real. Or that football is entertaining.

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  64. Brie might want to be concerned though...

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  65. I dunno, the Baker scenario is a decent one for once...

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  66. I said it in the thread but ill say it again...its funny how many people loved this feud and now are legitimately pissed. THIS is why I suggested that a straight up Orton vs Bryan feud over the belt is a better direction then a convulated authority figure feud (which nobody agreed with, but thats a different point.) Whatever they have in mind from last night is just another way to get HHH heel heat, thus once again putting Bryan and Orton in the backburner and sucking up heat like its jizz.

    Throw in some peripheral shit with the Big Show, Maddox, Steph, the Shield, Escalades, the Rhodes, and its easy to see how this is gonna suck.

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  67. Same here I bailed out at AIDS

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  68. ...said no one ever

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  69. Jesus IS real. He lost by countout in Edge's debut match on RAW.

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  70. See I would have went with a racist Mexican joke there... way to change it up!

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  71. Bath salts, straight coke, adderall...which one are you on?

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  72. The problem is, that is was only a b or c PPV and not something like Wrestlemania or Summer Slam or Survivor Series...

    That Bryan is Champion now is not sooo bad, because when Austin began is feud with Vince, he won the title before from HBK and Vince said to Austin, that he can have it the hard way, or the easy way or so.

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  73. Ha. Love it. You forgot the glazed over opiate eyes that seem to be trying to read your mind as he stares at you.

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  74. The angle has been terrible from the start.

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  75. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonSeptember 16, 2013 at 6:45 AM

    I picked Mayweather.

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  76. Except there's nothing behind Orton's eyes, except for day dreaming about what baby oil to buy next or Buffalo Wings.

    Randy truly is the shining example of a guy who is so devoid of personality that *that* is almost a unique personality trait.

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  77. It was a hard one to pick against, I've got to admit. He's one of the most boring fighters ever, but goddamn it if he isn't polarizing.

    Still... $75 to watch it in hi def?

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  78. HA. Buffalo Wild Wing. Just got the mental image of him solo creeping around a wild wings bar. We love you randy.

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  79. You keep scratching the surface to get deeper and you just keep finding surface.

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  80. I wonder if Vince will be the heel in this. We could have HHH screw Daniel Bryan out of the title and then have Vince start to warm to Bryan, thus setting up Vince vs. HHH.

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  81. I don't actually mind the angle at all and amazingly am even liking HHH & Orton in their roles. My problem with the PPV was how painfully boring it was to sit through. I knew it was bad news when they opened with a 20 minute promo to book Axel Vs Kofi... it's literally laughable.


    I feel like an idiot just for having watched it, I'd be super pissed if I'd paid for it.

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  82. Heard Orton was so pissed about Seth Rollins and his notorious dead fish handshake that he forgot the finish.

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  83. Yeah, everyone needs to see Linda on TV again, ever, ever, ever.

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  84. You seem like someone who, for instance, if you hated the Steelers, would refer to them as "Pissburg."

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  85. Regardless of what happens, Bryan has cleanly pinned Orton and Cena at the last two PPVs (and recently made Orton tap cleanly on Raw) and the running knee is arguably the most invincible move, toppling the RKO.

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  86. HE'S RUSSO!


    (JR) "Oh son of a bitch!"

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  87. Are they officially calling it The "b's Knees"?

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  88. Yeah, it's like a bastardized amalgamation of Flair/NWA face and Austin/Vince feuds. The problem is that those are totally different stories and should not be combined. This story was fine when it was Orton cashes in and screws Bryan. But it's been a mess ever since.

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  89. You mean like how Punk took a backseat to his own fedu in 2011?

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  90. By football you mean soccer, right? In that case, I'll agree with you.

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  91. But that's exactly the problem. This story was told in such a way that people are expecting a Dusty finish so nobody cares or is even a little excited that DBry won the belt. If he does hang on to it tomorrow, the response is going to be more of deflated relief than jubilation. I know some will argue this only applies to Internet fans, but comparing the mild crowd response last night, to the electric one at SummerSlam when he initially won, I think it's clear that feeling permeates into the entire "E-Verse".

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  92. But the angle wont' be just fine - it's already fucked. Compare the crowd reactions at Summerslam to last night. The paying audience is now expected DBry to get screwed over rather than rooting for their hero because of all the chicanery.

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  93. No I meant American tackle football. NFL and College... but it applies to European football as well.

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  94. And this is why HHH inserting himself into a red-hot character's story arc/trajectory is ALWAYS a bad thing. Hunter has leeched nearly all the heat off of Bryan, Cena is gone, and Orton is his "pet". He's fucked over the main event so badly, just to stroke his own fragile little ego some more, that it's truly amazing.

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  95. And oh, gee....what do those things have in common?

    HHH. The answer is HHH.

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  96. I agree with you 100%. But HHH *NEEDS* everything to be all about HIM. So fuck everything else.

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  97. I was up in football so paid for it.

    Vince: "bend over Favra"
    Me: "yes sir"

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  98. I think the weird booking comes down to the fact that the McMahons (and Hunter is falling into this category) honestly believe that power broker machinations are more interesting to watch than getting invested in the wrestlers themselves (ie. the more common men), who are the ones doing the "everyday" physical actions.
    It's kind of like being less interested in watching people who are trying to make a business work than in the person deciding if they're good enough to do so (ie. The Apprentice). It's a really good example of being disassociated from the bulk of your "everyday" audience.

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  99. I'm okay with the early one-on-one because it SHOULD cement the parameters of the feud - Orton and his backers fucking over Bryan at every turn. It's also really the first Bryan-Orton match of the feud as the cash-in doesn't count as a match. The problem was Bryan winning the match without an IMMEDIATE Dusty.

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  100. I wish they'd get real and call it KTFO. Tell the kiddies it's 'Knee the Face Off' or something. If Cena gets Five Knuckle Shuffle, why not?

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  101. Whats wrong with that?

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  102. I mean I guess I can't discount that maybe the guy is in 5th grade.

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  103. Yea, its not the cleverest thing ever but the fact it got you irritated is funnier IMO. No offense

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  104. It didn't get me irritated. I just like mocking people who say dumb things. In that regard, it brought a mild joy to this moment.

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