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The SmarK Retro Rant for WCW Nitro–04.26.99

The SmarK Retro Rant for WCW Nitro – 04.26.99

This show was posted to the blog via the YouTubes recently, so I figured, what the fuck, I’ll just review it and be done with it.

By the way, Jon Jones is LUCKY. He should buy those judges a beer. 49-46? Really?

Rick Rude gets the tribute treatment to really put this show on a pleasant note to start.

And we start in the MENTAL HOSPITAL, where Ric Flair currently resides. There are just too many jokes to make and three hours of this show is not enough time to make them all.

Meanwhile, Charles Robinson assumes the office of the President in place of Flair. Oh yeah, I forgot, this was during Nash’s tenure where he was experimenting with putting almost no wrestling in the first hour just to show people would watch anyway.

Finally, we are LIVE from Fargo, ND. Yo, G, you peep that huge new WCW logo on the stage? You can feel the ratings turning around as we speak! The kids LOVE spiky logos!

Your hosts are Tony Schiavone & Mike Tenay

Roddy Piper joins us, and he is the commissioner, not to be confused with the President (Flair) or the Vice-President (Little Naitch) or whatever JJ Dillon was at this point. So Piper points out that he’s the ONLY person in charge and he’s got decisions to decide. So Randy Savage is reinstated and faces Scott Steiner for the US title. Then he brings out DDP and books him to defend the World title against Sting. This crowd is amazingly pumped. You never see this kind of energy from RAW crowds now.

DJ Ran gets all up in our areas.

Brian Adams v. Konnan

Adams is wearing nWo colors and honestly I literally would not be able to keep track of who was supposed to be representing which faction without a scorecard. Adams attacks, but gets bulldogged and dropkicked. I know there was baggage and shit with Konnan, but really they should have brought him into WWE in 2000 and let him join DX to revitalize the group, because he could have been dropped right in there. I mean, it’s FUNNIER that they told him to fuck off, but my own personal amusement isn’t always best for business. Anyway, Adams comes back with a press slam as this obviously coked up crowd goes crazy for this horseshit match for some reason. Adams with the world’s least devastating chinlock, but Konnan makes the comeback and gets a rollup for two. Adams with a powerslam for two, but Konnan hits the carpet muncher into the half-crab, which gives us the nWo run-in finish at 5:00. Oh yeah, that’s right, this was the B-Team era, with Steve Ray as the leader. ½* They sure managed to kill the “nWo Elite” gimmick right out of the gate, didn’t they?

Scott & Steve Armstrong v. Raven

This was supposed to be a tag match, but Saturn got jumped by the Horsemen. Raven goes it alone and takes Scott into the chair with the DROP TOEHOLD OF DEATH for two, and then the same for Steve to put the poor chair out of its misery. Raven keeps evading the Armstrongs and uses the No Mercy divide-and-conquer strategy for dealing with handicap matches before walking into a superkick from Scott. Scott superkicks his own brother and Raven DDTs him for two, but Steve hits Raven with the chair and Scott pins him at 4:09. **

Meanwhile, Charles Robinson calls Flair at the mental hospital, and then joins us in the ring to confirm that he is in fact the man in charge, not Roddy Piper. Ah, for the days of 1999, when pro wrestling figurehead was such a growth industry that people were fighting over it. Robinson’s facials are just tremendous reacting to Piper, as he is obviously a devoted student of Flair. Piper gets fired and hauled off in handcuffs. They should put Robinson in charge of RAW now, he’d be awesome.

WCW World title: DDP v. Sting

They slug it out and Page loses that battle, and they fight to the floor, then back in for clotheslines from Sting and the Stinger splash. Scorpion deathlock, but DDP makes the ropes and escapes again. Back in, Sting keeps pounding on him, but Page takes him down with a hammerlock. Sting fights up and Page puts him down with a clothesline, but Sting tosses him. So they brawl up the aisle, Sting further kicks his ass, and they head back in where Page finally goes low to slow him down. So DDP takes over with a backdrop suplex, but they collide and Sting does the goofy headbutt to the crotch spot. Page remains in control with a DDT and chokes him out in the corner, then slugs him down for two. Page goes to work on the knee and tries the Diamond Cutter, but Sting blocks with the ropes and comes back with a jawbreaker. Sting to the top with a flying splash that gets two. They head out and Page catches him with a necksnap on the way in, but Sting runs him into the turnbuckles (loudly calling a spot on camera) and Page gets the rotation powerbomb for two. Page misses a charge and Sting rolls him up for two, but Page comes back with a lariat. Sting with a small package for two and he hits a clothesline for two. Sting with an awkward piledriver for two. He tries a tombstone, and they each reverse until Sting hits it for two. Page with another DDT for two. Sting with a backslide, but Page goes low to block that. Page tries the Cutter, but Sting counters with the deathdrop to win the World title at 20:00. I was kind of losing the vibe at the beginning, but by the time they got to the counters and trading piledrivers at the end, it was a hell of a deal. ****

Cruiserweight title: Psychosis v. Rey Mysterio

I totally don’t remember Psy ever getting that belt. Were this match to occur today, it would be non-title and Rey would be attempting to get “back in the hunt” for a title match by beating the champion. I’m confused because the dude introduced as Rey Mysterio doesn’t have a mask, thus robbing the promotion in millions of merch dollars from mask sales, which would just be stupid. Psy takes over with a release powerbomb into the turnbuckles, and a suplex onto the top rope. Rey fights back with a rana off the apron that looks really dangerous, and speaking of dangerous, here comes Benoit and Malenko. Back in, Rey reverses a faceplant into a carpet muncher, and both guys brawl outside and disrupt the Horsemen promo. Psy with a powerbomb for two. Rey reverses another attempt into a DDT, and regains the title at 5:20. That’s probably why I didn’t remember Psychosis ever being champion, since it only lasted for a week. This was kind of a trainwreck. ** Benoit and Malenko put a pretty epic beating on Mysterio for fun.

Kevin Nash is out to remind us that NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT HIM, and thus he needs to do something about it. So since he’s due for a World title shot at the PPV and won’t get it now, he challenges Sting, DDP and Goldberg to a World title match TONIGHT.

Meanwhile, Flair continues commenting on the proceedings from the mental hospital. Of very minor note is the introduction of Asya as his nurse.

DJ Ran continues mixing hip-hop beats for a group of people with mullets and Metallica t-shirts watching wrestlers who all use generic cock rock themes. Yes, WCW used to spend thousands on marketing and surveys and then ignored EVERY SINGLE THING they learned from it.

Erik Watts v. Bam Bam Bigelow

Watts takes Bigelow down with…something…and Bigelow is like “fuck this” and destroys him with the diving headbutt and Greetings From Asbury Park to finish at 1:00.

Sting is out to accept Nash’s challenge for tonight.

World TV title: Booker T v. THE MONSTER MENG

Meng overpowers Booker, but runs into a forearm, and Booker gets a dropkick for two. Meng throws chops in the corner and gets a powerslam and choking, but Booker comes back with the axe kick and the ref is bumped. This brings out Stevie Ray as Meng gets the TONGAN DEATH GRIP, but Stevie helps his brother out with a slapjack to retain at 5:34. ½* Rick Steiner comes out to brawl with Stevie for some reason, and this leads to tension between Rick and Booker that leads to Steiner winning the TV title at the god-awful Slamboree PPV.

Meanwhile, Hulk Hogan gets knee surgery. Don’t worry, he’d be back to get the World title from Randy Savage a few weeks later.

I was really into this show for the first hour but there’s just so much crap and filler since the title change, with DJ Ran and the Nitro Girls and Flair booking matches from the crazy house, it’s really kind of a drag.

HARDCORE MAYHEM: Brian Knobs v. Mikey Whipwreck v. Hak v. Horace Hogan

Everyone has kendo sticks for some reason. Knobs quickly grabs a ladder and puts everyone down with it, while yelling “Nasty” every couple of minutes so you know he’s the heel. And even after all that filler, we still have to take a break in the middle of this match. Back with more pointless mayhem, including Hak hitting people with a giant bottle of SURGE. Hey, whatever happened to Chastity? She kind of disappeared off the face of the earth after WCW died. She’s kind of floating around ringside here and I don’t even remember who she was supposed to be seconding. Hak? More stuff happens. I should note that I found ECW One Night Stand 2006 (Cena v. RVD) in a DVD bargain bin tonight for $4 and figured I might as well pick it up, and I totally forgot that Barely Legal was included as a bonus disc! Be good and you might get a redo of that rant next week. So this collection of wacky hardcore spots continues and Knobs wins at 12:30 because, you know, Hulk Hogan. * His victory promo alerts us that we should prepare to taste the nasty sensation due to the gates of Nastyville being opened. Is that like code for a root canal?

US title: Scott Steiner v. Randy Savage

This show is turning into a trainwreck comprised of circus cars flying over a cliff and landing on a pile of dynamite with pieces of exploded clown splattering everything. Charles Robinson assumes refereeing duties and possibly fines Billy Silverman for flying first class as well. You’d think that Scott Steiner v. MACHO MAN and his harem of women would have been the easiest feud in the world to book, but they just never went there. Good god, the promos alone would have been legendary. Savage accidentally bumps into Robinson off the lockup and he calls for the DQ at 1:00. TRAIN FULL OF CLOWNS GOING OFF THE CLIFF AND BLOWING UP, I SAY. Little Naitch gets stripped to his boxers by Gorgeous George and he’s a stronger man than I for not getting a chubby on national TV as a result.

Meanwhile, Medusa and the future Molly Holly train George in what would probably be the setup for a porn video in most other circumstances.

WCW World title: Sting v. DDP v. Goldberg v. Kevin Nash

We’re joined in progress after the break, as DDP is wandering around the crowd while the other three fight. Goldberg fights off both Sting and Nash, hitting Nash with a suplex for two. Sadly, at this point Nitro is so terrible that even YouTube can’t deal with it, and the video quality degenerates to sub-ROH levels and I have to shut it down. DDP regains the belt, only to lose it to Nash at the PPV for some reason. Oh yeah, Nash was the booker, that was the reason.

The Pulse

I was really into this show for an hour, but then the ghost of WCW took over again and I was reminded why I hated this show so, SO much. Expecting them to have enough good ideas and attention span to fill more than an hour is expecting a lot, I know. Holy crap did this show suck around this time, though. And we haven’t even made it to the Hummer and Dennis Rodman and the return of yellow Hogan and all that bullshit yet!

Comments

  1. "You’d think that Scott Steiner v. MACHO MAN and his harem of women would have been the easiest feud in the world to book, but they just never went there. Good god, the promos alone would have been legendary."


    Reason number #523 why I hated the dying days of WCW.

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  2. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomerySeptember 22, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Is it weird that WWE games, esp. No Mercy and its ruthless AI on higher difficulties, made me despise triple threat and handicap matches on actual wrestling programming, because those matches were a pain in the ass in the games?

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  3. I found it really sad how badly they screwed up the 4 Horsemen at this point. Benoit / Malenko were a hot heel tag team and were never shown with Flair. Mongo's spot also could have been filled to really get someone over. The Horsemen were forever over in WCW.

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  4. I seriously never get why people remember that match as the golden standard of wrestling game bullshit. The New Age Outlaws handicap match in the World title path was more difficult than the APA on their best day.

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  5. Spoiler alert: a woman hidden inside Nash's duffel bag dumps a bucket of sewage and/or vomit on Randy Savage.

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  6. Revisiting WCW post-fingerpoke is like watching episodes of the Simpsons after Oakley and Weinstein left. You can, but why?

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  7. Not true at all: Simpsons just became an adequate television show that could still have good TV Episodes. WCW became a smoldering crater. The level of quality drop was probably the same, one just went from Amazing to okay, the other went from mildly good to horrific.

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  8. WCW was crap around this time but I never found it boring. I thing I did like about Bischoff was that he was never afraid to try something new. The problem was everything he tried seemed to fail.

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  9. I loved the flaming trainwreck that was WCW '99. Lil Naitch! Lenny and Lodi! Millennium Man Sid! Contortionists in suitcases! Plus you had guys like the Horsemen, the cruiserweights and Sting bringing the workrate. Sure, they were hemorrhaging money but it was fun watching their world burn down.

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  10. "Yes, WCW used to spend thousands on marketing and surveys and then ignored EVERY SINGLE THING they learned from it" I do market research and Scott is right, that shit is suuuuuper expensive. WCW easily could've blown a million or two on surveys. Maybe more b/c I can imagine that the process wasn't as streamlined as it is today.

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  11. I used to do market research, and I know that it's all bullshit with leading questions and data warping to create something that the client wants to hear (read: pay for)

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  12. They had Scott Hall out doing surveys every week as well. Not smart to have a guy making what he made out collecting the data.

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  13. Say what you will about 1999 WCW...it's 1999 times better than 2013 WWE.

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  14. Yep, pretty much. I work for a not for profit so we don't give a shit if we get negative feedback but we also have to use outside surveying firms at times and I can tell when they masturbate the data.

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  15. So Scott, be honest. Is this worse than today's WWE 3-hour shows?

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  16. I think the worst was the incredibly overrated Day of Reckoning games. Every time you'd get into a tag team match in career mode the computer wouldn't be *difficult* you'd whoop their ass on any difficulty, no, the problem was they'd run over and stomp you out of every pin of their teammate and there was no way to position yourself to avoid it. I think one match dragged on for 46 minutes and I cried foul and boxed up that crappy game and traded it in.

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  17. Re: Jones - come on man.



    It's not luck that Jones surged forward when Gus faded. The 2 clearest rounds were the last 2, which went to Jones.



    Gus put it on him no question, but Jones 48-47 is the consensus amongst MMA journalists,

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  18. Sorry, but that's nostalgia talking. I'm not saying the three hour raws are great, but wcw in 99 was all kinds of terrible with a exceptions.

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  19. Collision detection was also extremely frustrating in day of reckoning. You'd be in the ring for a rumble, about to hit your finish when someone else in the ring would hit a belly to belly suplex and knock both you and your opponent down. No Mercy is head and shoulders above dor.

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  20. Yeah anybody executing any sort of suplex, slam, or throwing maneuver or even throwing kind of a long reaching strike would break up whatever crucial thing you were trying to do. It made the ring feel like it was 4' x 4' and it was not fun. I have no idea where the praise for those games came from. I remember Inside Pulse being the lone dissenter and giving it like a 2.0 and thinking "They're the only ones who haven't lost their minds." They were pretty much sequels in spirit and gameplay to the pitiful WMX-8/XIX games and the only good wrestling games for the Gamecube were the Def Jam Vendetta games (though I didn't really love the deeper, more customizable sequel where the jettisoned the ring and pinfalls and other wrestling trappings) and Ultimate Muscle - Legends vs. New Generations - one of my all time favorite games.

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  21. I suppose in the end though, what really matters isn't so much which is
    better or worse, but is either watchable? Three hour free TV wrestling? #NoThanks.

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  22. Isn't that what Raw is now?

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  23. Agreed. Plus Jones would've even won in Pride judging. He's the only one who came close to finishing.
    Still, it was a razor-thin decision, and I think a rematch is warranted.

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  24. Well, as long as he wasn't fighting a Japanese fighter, he would have won with PRIDE judging.

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  25. Raw is miserable. But I'd rather watch a 2013 WWE ppv over a 1999 wcw one

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  26. i had totally forgotten about my area and dj ran gettin' all up in it

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  27. and dont forget that soon savage almost legit beats the shit out of torrie wilson on live tv cause she was laughing during his promo

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  28. Nothing can top Attitude Era mode in WWE '13. Beating Undertaker in a Hell In A Cell match is insanely easy yet beating British Bulldog is absolutely fucking impossible and takes at least an hour to pull off, which is ridiculous considering that in real life Bulldog never once beat Shawn Michaels, not even in a throwaway tag match, so why exactly did the game developers make HBK beating Davey Boy as impossible as beating Ed "Strangler" Lewis in his prime?

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  29. I beat BB on the first try on Legend difficulty...


    The THQ games are all insanely easy, all you've gotta do is master reversal timing and you NEVER lose

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  30. I remember a throwaway Scott line about applying a flamethrower to said area to get rid of the jackass.

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  31. Molly Holly and that Gorgeous George in a porn, together: TAKE MY MONEY.


    Adding 1999 WCW Medusa: AHHHH! THE BLEACH! WHERE'S THE BLEACH?!

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  32. That may have literally turned into a Last Man Breathing match, if those two got to shooting.


    It would have been glorious.

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  33. The people taking the survey are often suspect also... they read just enough to make sure they get their survey validated and get paid... with no concern about accuracy or honesty.

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  34. This crowd in particular is jacked because it's Fargo, which very rarely (if ever) got a big wrestling show.

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  35. There have been enough MMA decisions that have gone against (or screwed over) the UFC's preferred winner that I can safely say it's not rigged.

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  36. What happened to Savage around the end of his career? He was always crazy but you hear stories about how giving and nice the guy was aside from his paranoid ways, but he actually seemed out of his mind at this point.

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  37. YES! The NAO were virtually unbeatable.


    By contrast, with the APA you could at least twat them with weapons forever and taunt whilst they were down.


    Also, I found the submission match vs. Shamrock absolutely impossible too. Git just wouldn't tap.

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  38. Which still leaves the judging as often bad, even if it isn't corrupt

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  39. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomerySeptember 22, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    I was surprised too at how difficult the Bulldog match was, or at least trying to do the diving attack on him, because I kept getting knees to the ribs every time.

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  40. Judging isn't ALWAYS that bad, it just generates more clicks if it's made into a big deal.

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  41. "The Principal and the Pauper" was 9th season.

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  42. I was going with "Last Man Breathing" cause both guys were so juiced they'd be blown up after their entrance music.

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  43. He had all the money he would ever need by that point, so I suppose that he no longer gave a fuck what people outside of his immediate family thought of him.

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  44. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomerySeptember 22, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    I'm with you, I thought both Day of Reckoning games were lame and have no idea where the praise is coming from. The modes, story, and creation stuff paled to the PS2 games and the AI was atrocious, particularly in the manner you just described.

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  45. And she probably made $800K for that.

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  46. It was much, much worse.

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  47. Not even close to the same thing.

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  48. Not even close to the same kind of crowds.

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  49. I'd rather watch Nitros from '99 on YouTube any day than boring old RAW in 2013. You guys have fun with that!

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  50. D-Bry in Brooklyn this year....or the crowds during some of the big matches this year....

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  51. Why don't you actually explain your position- what did you like about WCW 1999? What did WCW in 1999 do well v 2013 WWE.


    What matches in 1999 WCW rival Punk v. Cena, Punk v. Taker, Brock v. Punk, Cena v. D-Bry, some of the Shield six-man tags...

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  52. Justin Bieber drew money. WCW lost a ton of money, especially after the spring.


    So you're right, not even close to the same thing.

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  53. What kind of crowds? What does crowd reaction have to do with the fact that WCW in 1999 was really really bad.


    You know why there's no more WCW? Because of 1999

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  54. WCW would give some good matches away on TV, as this recap shows. To bad they always ended in a clusterfuck shit show

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  55. That's another thing I forgot to mention -- they did a throwaway gag with Scott Hall showing up in the asylum at the end, and it was never mentioned again or followed up on.

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  56. Or ... "THEMOTHERFUCKINGMONSTERMENG"

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  57. The praise those games got just happened to come at a time when game magazines had just started getting bribed by the video game companies to give positive reviews to every freaking game they released regardless of the fact that 95% of the games that were out at the game were complete and utter garbage (especially the neverending stream of terrible World War 2 games as if we all want to play 1 game set in the 1940's, let alone 20,000 of them) but yeah, those two games were so inferior to the modes and AI on the Smackdown: Here Comes The Pain game that it's not even funny.
    And why did they never emulate the model of Smackdown: Here Comes The Pain for any other WWE game? That was the closest thing to a perfect wrestling game yet instead of emulating that model, THQ stripped away a ton of features and that resulted in the woefully bad Smackdown Vs. RAW game in '04.

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  58. After reading this, I feel like I should watch the Mortal Kombat live-action show or The Island of Dr. Moreau or something.

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  59. Saying there's controversy after every decision is in no way accurate.

    Rounds are the only humane way to determine a fight, and of course the judging is an inexact science, but there are some ways to make it more objective, and hopefully those tools will be used in the future.

    Dana White has ZERO influence on judges. They're set by the athletic commissions, and they've ruined Dana's plans numerous times.

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  60. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomerySeptember 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    The good thing I liked about the original SVR is that you had to push X to get to the next voiceover line of dialogue, so I would always yell WHAT? between each pause before pressing X.

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  61. I think part of the praise may have came from the fact that X-8 and XIX were just so shitty that Day of Reckoning seemed better in comparison. That being said, I remember several times getting so frustrated with DOR and turning the game off. Good thing we had the Smackdown games at the time.



    Good call on the other games. I loved both Def Jam Vendetta and Ultimate Muscle. I played DJV quite a bit and Ultimate Muscle I bought used years after it came out for the PS2. I didn't play it much, though since I got a PS3 pretty soon after, but I remember being into it. I haven't even thought about either game in years.


    It's interesting to think about how many non-WWE wrestling games were coming out around this time period. I guess the popularity from the attitude era boom hadn't completely faded yet. I remember being so pumped for the Legends of Wrestling games. They were pretty terrible, but I still played the hell out of them. Also, I don't remember if it was in LOW 1 or 2, but you could unlock little shoot interview clips for every wrestler and I absolutely loved that. I remember there was one with Bam Bam Bigelow telling a story about Andre the Giant shitting on Bad News Brown during a match that my friend and I could not stop laughing at.

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