Monday, May 19, 2014

QOTD 161: Crystal Clear Memories


The cat you see to the left is named after K-fed. Specifically the time K-fed appeared on Raw. The cat's name? "Po-po-popo-Patchwork". Watching Raw, my sister and I kept repeating the "po-po-zow" stuff to each other, and to the cat, who would look back and forth between us confused by these funny human noises. She vanished less than a year later, much like K-Fed's career.

Still, I remember a ton of details about that night, what I ate (Buffalo Wing Dorritos), what I was doing (not going to my professional speaking course), and the fact the house was rarely quiet for a Monday night. This was 8 years ago.

What are some of your personal favorite (or not favorite) wrestling moments where you can remember distinctly where you were, what you were doing, how you were feeling, and so on? Has a non-fan ruined a great moment by being negative about the whole expierence? Are there big moments you remember watching but have a hard time remembering? Small ones you remember perfectly despite their unimportance?

The one moment I remember the most clearly:  what I was doing, who I was with, and how I was feeling? A slice of time where my wrestling fandom and real-life relationships intersected in strange, some would say beautiful way?

 My Dad liked the Katie Vick angle.


I normally watch Raw in my bedroom to avoid any and all comments from the peanut gallery, but for whatever reason I was watching Raw on the "Big TV" when my dad came upstairs from the cellar and sat down on the couch as Raw was on.

This gives me immense anxiety. Dad previously bore witness to the PPV where everyone was promised The Kat would take off her lady-clothes, and instead were greeted with the late Mae Young's Bassett Hounds. He always seemed to catch Chyna's obsession with Nut Shots, and found the Jericho vs. Chyna feud "stupid" even though he marveled at Chyna's muscles. He also had a habit of interrupting Wrestlemania main events with "They're not even hitting each other!" - specifically Wrestlemania 17.

So as Katie Vick unfolded in-front of my bewildered eyes I awaited disgust from my dad as Triple H did his triple, mounted the coffin, and ultimately produced grocery store meat to represent the brains he borked out of a dead cheerleader.

Dad would not stop laughing. He thought the whole thing was a riot, from the stupid mask Triple H wore, to the idea of mounting someone in a funeral home - he loved it. He even slapped my knee laughing the way he normally reserves for Golden Girls re-runs and his monthly re-watches of "All of Me" and "The Birdcage".

I remember so many little details of that night - New TV, I didn't have school the next day so I could watch all of Raw, and with my Dad downstairs I figured I'd be able to enjoy Raw in peace. I didn't get too, but at least my Dad seemed to enjoy himself.

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317 comments:

  1. On the blogs side of wrestling moments, my favorite was the the Caliber fiasco from a few months back. I remember where I was, I was sitting in the dark at my home with no power or internet.

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  2. It begs the question, if one has the network, why would they ever buy a DVD of matches again?

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  3. Still remember being there in person for the Bret/Austin match at Mania. Just how it felt, the amazing sensation being there for history as they went at it, the crowd shifting to Austin's side, cheering him along as it went on and will always be bright in my mind to highlight a fantastic show and make me happy as a wrestling fan.

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  4. Who the hell is going to buy this exactly if they can get the network for half the price???

    Thats a pretty badass cover though I must say.

    Not that ill be buying the set, but they missed out a couple good and obvious matches from the mid 80's

    Also surprised no WWE matches. The Eddie/JBL bullrope match is a kickass, bloody brawl

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  5. hahaha let me use my fancy posting privileges to check out some stats on that night:

    about 975 comments and 9k 'views' in about a two hour period - I was busy doing my second job that turned into a sales job that I hated and came back from a crazy annoying day at work to see the entire blog blew up, and I missed it!

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  6. HERE'S a question for today, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/north-korea-pro-wrestlers_n_5350076.html

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  7. Ease of watching maybe? That's the only thing I've got. Seems pretty stupid.

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  8. I remember sitting at a library table watching a pirated torrent of the Cena/Punk MitB match, on the Tuesday after it happened. I still believed it was some sort of elaborate rib even after checking the dirtsheets, and my jaw dropped in shock when Punk actually got the pin. I disliked Cena a bit more then than I do now, but it was still such a magical moment in hindsight. Then, of course, the roof fell directly inwards a couple months later.

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  9. Jack Swagger and Zeb or GTFO

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  10. I remember masturbating to Sable once

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  11. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    That's just silly, it's the "getting coffee for HHH and Stephanie" development program.

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  12. The fucking zoo's closed.

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  13. gdguiugtbuytguytfystgMay 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    Looks to close out under $11.00 for the day

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  14. And maybe, just maybe, allowing Kane to do multiple tombstones on increasingly dangerous areas should have been toned down. Like I said weeks ago.


    There's a reason they cut down on that shit. Maybe they should cut down on it even more now that Taker is gone again.

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  15. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    ...and now I have a visual that I wish to forget.

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  16. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    I buy the dvd/blu rays mainly for the docs (why I love Austin and Micks recent ones so much). I already have most matches, especially now with the network.

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  17. Back in the late 90's, there was WWF, WCW, and ECW PPV's on all the time. One of the friends in our group had a magical black box. We would all gather, order Papa Johns and watch wrestling when it was actually cool and fun and the shows had a sense of urgency. Even crappy WCW. This was usually followed by or preceded with some N64 wrestling. The friend with the magical box also had the Japanese version of World Tour (VPW??). This game had just every wrestler not signed to a WWF contract on its massive roster. Just good times. Time goes to fast.

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  18. The Raven thing came from Stevie Richards being a douchebag and lying about it to me.

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  19. They wasted the Steiners, IMO. They were the best team in wrestling by a mile at that point.

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  20. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 19, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    I remember sitting front row of an ECW show and getting into an argument with Devon Dudley. We called each other all types of swear words and filth flarn filth. Anyway, we saw him outside the venue and he was cool as fuck.

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  21. I remember when the Playboy came out, that was a huge deal.

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  22. DID YOU KNOW: ......... WWE.com wishes DID YOU KNOW guy well in his future endeavors.

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  23. Sounds like an awesome show.

    Scott, what was your issue with Paul on Raw commentary at the time?

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  24. He'll show you? You'll see?

    I thought Konnan from NJ was a running RSPW joke

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  25. Considering that not all of the US is broadband, it still makes sense to release DVD sets. Though if one has the Network, you COULD argue about converting the video for another device (iPad, etc.) and taking it where you can't get BB, but that's admittedly cumbersome.

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  26. Good question. I have a lot of questions about stuff I was thinking at this time.

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  27. Well, the entire match was a lot of him punching, kicking, and stomping you, heading out the ring to hit on the girls, getting bitchslap-bounced by them (one slap, turn into other slap, repeat a few times), rolling back in to avoid the stinging pain, you roll him up, 1-2-3, get the fuck out with the girls.


    (Loser defeats Adulterer, 1:09, pinfall by inside cradle. 1/2*)

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  28. I don't know where the "Jimmy Garvin as Doink" idea started, but Garvin always expressly denied that the concept was ever discussed with him. He had his own forum on the Wrestling Classics site for awhile talking about this.

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  29. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    How does that make it legitimate? There's no women's pro baseball or hockey league (ever watch women's hockey? It's actually really fun), women's boxing is a joke, so is the WNBA. I'm not opposed to the idea and I'm all for equality and shit, but they probably should have waited until they had enough girls to make a decent division.


    Call me sexist if you want, but I'll watch tennis, and not because I want to bang Sharapova, but because I like the sport (I hate men's tennis, it's boring and matches last 6 hours) even it's 2 ugly chicks playing. Seeing 2 women beating the shit out of each other just has no appeal to me. Now, if Rousey took on a guy in her weight class and kick his ass, that would be interesting.

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  30. Oh man, if there was a way to buy stock through PayPal I would've grabbed like 6 shares before the Network happened. I would've made an easy $70-80.

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  31. "I came to DC and I'm gonna get to see Bush!"

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  32. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 19, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    Three Stages of Hell (because that's what it's going to feel like)

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  33. Too much Smirnoff Ice?

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  34. $10 live streaming PPVs should be enough.

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  35. True, but they were so far and above everyone else that it would take super teams to get to their level. Plus, they'd have to be able to keep the Steiners from getting bored. You can only wrestle so many Joey Jobber and Scrappy McTavish tag teams for so long.

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  36. So is the Ravne-Francine rumor about how he used to abuse her and tie her up all over the place true?

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  37. No idea where it came from then, because I know it was around long before I was.

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  38. From Scott's version of the FAQ. And yes, I know we didn't know then what we know now....i

    "Tammy "Sunny" Sytch has commented on a few
    occasions that she would have liked to manage Bret
    Hart. This was somehow construed by Bret's wife as
    meaning that Bret and Tammy were somehow
    romantically linked. This of course caused much
    tension in the Hart household, which went away with
    time."

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  39. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    360 or just on One?

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  40. Eh, I'll pick it up when it hits 5 bucks...I'm still interested in getting physical copies of stuff to watch at work. (No internet at work, and my phone doesn't run fast enough there to watch streaming stuff there.)

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  41. They wouldn't keep the tv camera on sable long enough for it to be full filling. Mero kept sneaking in there

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  42. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    totally pissed she had reduced her "huge deals" before the shoot.

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  43. Great Muta and Brad Armstrong improvised a **** match on WCWSN with 5 minutes' notice.


    They had to improvise the finish to the '91 WarGames.


    Ultimate Warrior was going to be the one to sell out to Mr. Perfect and turn heel and win the title at SummerSlam.

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  44. Kim Jong Un is 31 years old. He went to boarding schools with a huge American influence, there's a really good chance he is a big wrestling fan.

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  45. In this case, that first disc of tour matches is unreleased stuff (other than War Games), and who knows when that will ever be on the Network.

    With you on the rest of it, though. The "Best WCW PPV Matches" set seemed very pointless.

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  46. I will never forget the "runway strip".

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  47. Haven't they put the Flair/Morton cage match on a DVD already?

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  48. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    I think right now there's basically 7 companies that own pretty much everything: Comcast/NBC Universal, Fox, Disney, CBS, Viacom, and Turner, and one more I'm forgetting.

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  49. You can't tell me a "Dark Warrior" run wouldn't have printed money. PRINTED, I SAY

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  50. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    This just got even more creepy.

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  51. 400K people bought Wrestlemania, so that's a long way from nobody.

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  52. Stranger in the AlpsMay 19, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    I remember watching a copy of SummerSlam '92 at a friends house a few days after it happened. My friend Leon was a huge Flair fan and he thought the Savage-Warrior match was awesome just because Flair and Perfect were out playing mind games with these guys, although the match was awesome on it's own merits. We didn't get to Bret Hart-British Bulldog because the tape cut out. It cut out during the Undertaker-Kamala match, just as Kamala was about to come off the top with a big splash. A collective "NNNOOOOOOO" was all that came out. My friends dad was there and he said something rather mean about a 400 pound raccoon or something.

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  53. You can if you look at the roster and tell me who the hell Warrior was supposed to make his house show defenses against. Remember, the Savage title run was a disaster, so the goal was to get him *out* of the #1 babyface slot.

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  54. Are HHH and Chyna really engaged?

    There are conflicting reports on it, with some saying that they are to be married in November. HHH and Chyna themselves deny the rumors (while in character) but they travel together exclusively and are constantly seen together. That, and Chyna's recent trend towards a distinctly feminine look, would seem to indicate that they pair are romantically linked at the least.

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  55. It was. I dunno if people interpreted it as serious on my part, but it was never intended that way.

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  56. Followed up in the FAQ by this:

    Are Steph and HHH really married?

    Common sense would seem to cover this one, but to clear it up, no, HHH and Stephanie were not really married in the drive-thru wedding ceremony on RAW. It's merely an angle. And furthermore, Andrew "Test" Martin and Stephanie are not romantically linked in real life to the best of anyone's knowledge.

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  57. We e-mailing around the time that Richards had an axe to grind with Raven (just before he jumped to the WWF) but it was kind of a random claim to make.

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  58. You have to admit that their hubris makes it fun to crap on them.

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  59. To be fair he only found out about them in 2003.

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  60. In the early 90's my parents friends had a satellite dish (one of the gigantic ones). I would get copies of the PPV's a few days later. Amazing how challenging it used to be to see this stuff.

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  61. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    My favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqfxmWbelcQ


    Too bad they don't show the next scene. "Homer, whatever you have planned for tonight, count me out".

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  62. I love love love Heyman on commentary. And that's one of the reasons why!

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  63. Too many to name but I guess I would have to go with hearing Hogan turn heel at Bash at the Beach. I was watching the PPV channel but didn't order the PPV so you could make out images once every hour or so but hear everything.

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  64. Kimona really was a stripper he met at some club.

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  65. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 19, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    Earthquake smashing Damian the Snake.
    Sid sending jobbers out on stretchers...and beating them up some more.
    nWo Nitro
    Austin shoving Tyson (1998)
    Goldberg winning the title at the Georgia Dome (1998).
    The return of Ric Flair and reformation of the Four Horsemen (1998).
    Fingerpoke of Doom (1999).
    Y2J debut in WWF (1999).
    Jericho & Benoit defeating Austin & HHH on Raw (2001).

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  66. Can't wait for MatRats

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  67. Netflix has to deal with a totally different set of who holds which rights for every new territory. Plus their content has time limits which means content comes and goes all the time.


    WWE owns 100% of their content, period. Why would it be different for the international rollout?

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  68. Wonder why WWE didn't just wait the extra year to launch its "Network"? Or would the deal with NBC have specifically forbid doing so in that case?

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  69. People assumed it to be true. From your FAQ on rspw.org


    "To clarify a point that has become confusing, Konnan is not from New jersey, that was simply an RSPW inside joke inserted into the document. He is from Miami."

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  70. and all reports said that the *real* Horsemen had to be physically restrained from rushing the ring and were unaware that the parody was planned.

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  71. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    my uncle forced my family to get the show. Im glad he did.

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  72. Did I read that right? Larry Z is doing exclusive commentary for some of the matches? Really?

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  73. And of course, one fun little side story:


    Scott doesn't mention Missy's trip into the water trough during the aftermath of Cactus/Hammer. I want to say Dusty spilled the beans on one of the Legends shows, but I cannot remember if it was him or someone else.


    Long story short, Dusty pulled Cactus and Abby aside before the segment was taped, and basically told them to put Missy in the water during their post-match brawl.

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  74. Oh yeah, it would certainly be a disaster. But my point/question is what the 1 million subscribers refers to. If they have 600,000 subscribers now, and all 600,000 people renew, is that 1.2 million subscribers? Or is that still 600,000? And if 1 million is their break even point, do they need to sustain 1 million? Since people are on different cycles, couldn't they theoretically have 1 million one month, and then dip down to 700,000 the next?
    I know I'm really simplifying things with these questions but I guess I want to know if they need a sustained subscriber base of 1 million people for the year in order to break even.

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  75. And, as the article mentions, it wouldn't be the first time U.S. guys went over to North Korea.

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  76. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    I'm..........really trying to picture that now.

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  77. I doubt that when it comes to food, "sample" is something Kevin Steen is capable of.

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  78. "I remember masturbating to Sable once earlier today"

    FTFY

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  79. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    Didn't they say they were going to launch it like 2 years ago? Sometimes you either have to shit or get off the pot.

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  80. It would be an "average" of one million (well, whatever number is the new "break-even point) subscribers per month. And renewals just keep the number steady, they do not increase it.


    Any losses would have to be made up, either that month, or at least by the end of the year, to maintain the average. And if anything, they'd need a surge over 1 million to "cover" the average drop that that one bad month would cause.

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  81. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:47 PM

    He already respects it more than Ted Turner ever did. That's a start.

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  82. Some of the great ones from my childhood:
    Being sick in 8th grade: I was laying in my bed and turned on Wrestlemania X8 expecting to get scramble vision since I couldn't watch with any friends. Instead, the cable company messed up and I got the whole PPV. I was freaking out during the Hogan-Rock match. It was awesome because I wasn't going to school the next day either.
    In fourth grade before Wrestlemania XIV, my friends were doing stupid backyard wrestling shit. I tried climbing my neighbors fence but slipped and got a scar that I still have today.

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  83. Have the Extreme Rules numbers even come out yet?


    I'd be shocked if any WWE PPV other than Summerslam clears 100K this year. Between the Network and the loss of satellite, there's gonna be a drop.

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  84. for example those that for some reason can't get the Network and those that still prefer a physical copy that they truely own.

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  85. Wrestlemania XX main event. I was there live. My friend was still pissed because he didn't think Undertaker was deadman enough when he returned so he was being a pissy bitch. When HBK fell out of the ring and Benoit had his back turned to HHH while HHH stood up I remember saying "NO!" and my pissy friend was like "Yup told ya" then when Benoit got him ni the corssface myself and all the smarks around us were yelling "TAP!" and my friend was like "HHH isn't going to tap" and then he did... I and everyone around me jumped up and down like we won the fucking lottery my friend said "Holy shit he tapped" and then when Eddie came out my allergies started acting up a bit... still my favorite wrestling memory ever... even if history hasn't been kind to it.

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  86. I legitimately think everyone has had those scribble vision moments where it comes it crystal clear just long enough for the best part of the match. It happened to me during Triple H vs. Mick Foley HIAC - I caught the big bump through the cage before it scribbled out again.

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  87. I don't think any of the stuff on that first disk is on the network. Now they're going to have to strike a balance on the DVD sets of having stuff that you can't find on the network, cause why buy it otherwise?

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  88. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    Not that I know of, or Bayless would have posted them. And I don't even see Summerslam getting 100K, just because of losing satellite. A lot of people that have satellite have it because it's all they can get because they live out in the boonies. Hard to get reliable high-speed internet out there, so no network for most of them.

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  89. It was wonderful. For whatever reason, I never remember doing it for WCW though, just WWF.

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  90. That's a great way to get drunk if you don't want to be a man about it.

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  91. That had to be incredible at a tight knit arena like MSG too.

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  92. Stranger in the AlpsMay 19, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    It was either that or wait the 6-8 months for it to come out on VHS, reserving it at the local video store, and signing your name on a sheet that had like 200 names ahead of yours.

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  93. I cannot stop laughing at this comment.

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  94. As profitable as WWE was under the old model, I don't think that there was any problem with remaining on the pot.

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  95. Stranger in the AlpsMay 19, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Before I gave up drinking for good, I thought I would try something that might be a tad easier to consume. So I tried some wine coolers. My balls are still in that convenience store cash register.

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  96. I vividly remember almost every of the first ppvs I saw (1992 and 1993) because they felt like such a big deal to me. since they aired late on Saturday nights I always either had friends to sleep over or slept over at some friends' house myself. almost every time we would scrape together our pocket money and purchase loads of chocolate, chips and soft drinks (I actually managed to eat so much candy before King of the Ring 1994 that I threw up within the first minutes of that show).

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  97. Vince showing up on the last Nitro.


    Bischoff showing up on Raw to become GM. The more I think about that, the more I wish they didn't do the backstage with Booker T and Coach. The reaction would have been even more insane.


    Jericho's WWE debut.


    Undertaker's return to WWE as the Bikertaker at No Mercy 2000 during the Rock vs, Triple H Iron Man Match.


    Vince making the "lethal dose of poison" promo, and then turning the chair to reveal the nWo written on the back of the chair, now revealed on the mirror.


    Ultimate Warrior defeating Hulk Hogan for the WWF belt at WM6.


    Rock vs. Hogan at WM18, when Hogan Hulked up and kicked out of the Rock Bottom.


    Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan at WM28. 18 seconds.


    Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker at WM30. The Streak ends.


    Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show. Smackdown, the ring implodes after a superplex.

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  98. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 19, 2014 at 3:07 PM

    "Well technically he was one for years before he got to WWE since he was taking Vince’s money under the table…"

    we still have money and tables, it's just that the money is left on said table

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  99. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 19, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    my world has been shattered

    nothing is what i thought it was

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  100. Shouldn't have fired Charlie Haas, telecommunications expert.

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  101. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    I agree, which is why I thought the network was a bad idea from day one. They should have just expanded the content on 24/7 and found a way to make it more available. Letting people get the PPVs for free or for $10 or however you want to look at... I just don't see how that is going to be profitable. I don't get it.

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  102. Creating new accounts to upvote Kwame Singleton more.

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  103. The obvious problem is that they're incurring too much overhead AND giving you too much stuff for just $9.99/month. I mean, who thought they were going to make a bunch of money giving you six PPVs for the price of Wrestlemania. They need to either raise the cost, or scale back what you get with the Network.

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  104. Pretty much yeah.

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  105. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM

    How? Not all heads are the same size.

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  106. I asked this in another thread on the blog and I'll ask it again: do any of you feel that starting this Network was a mistake at this point?

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  107. I think this had to have been the Burlington Memorial Auditorium, which is basically a high school gym with a balcony and a stage. I've seen a few concerts there from when I went to college in Burlington, and there was a RAW house show in 2004 that I tried to buy tickets at the box office for the day of, but it was sold out.

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  108. I hope the wwe doesn't pull the plug on the wwe network or panics and makes it a 14.99 dollar a month product because I love the network.

    The beyond the ring documentaries, all the ppvs from WCW, ECW and WWF/wwe, the clash shows and the raw/Smackdown replays from years ago.

    It's sad to hear that the network is not working out as well as wwe wants but as a wrestling fan, I love this product.

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  109. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    The amount he lost, he probably could have bought the Phoenix Coyotes.


    I had to look up how to spell both those last 2 words. Stay in school, kids.

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  110. There's Sting, front and center on the box for a WWF product. I knew the day would come but it still seems surreal. Even on the Clash set I thought Flair was more the central figure, since Sting's back was to the audience a bit.

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  111. Exactly. They have an opportunity to present is basically every American wrestling that is worthaA fuck. this could be THE wrestling network. Not just wwe. They're botching it.

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  112. Big time Hockey fan here: was there any specific reason you picked the Coyotes or was it just name some random hockey team and that's the one you picked?

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  113. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    Scrappy McTavish is an awesome name.

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  114. In fact just hire Morrison back to play the role and have Batista in the Eric Clapton role.

    (Or have Cliff Compton reveal his first name was Derek. "I stole your woman. OHHHHH!")

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  115. BikerTaker was Judgment Day, yeah?

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  116. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    Im a sucker for free shit.

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  117. Jericho's debut in WWF
    HHH crashing Test and Stephanie's wedding
    Stone Cold blowing up the DX bus
    Edge destroying Billy Gunn's career
    Triple H's return in 2002
    All of Summerslam '02
    Edge spearing Mick through a flaming table
    The Rock's return

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  118. I figured it was one of them... was Dusty on that panel also?

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  119. I'm also downright flabergasted by the overhead number the Network reported. That's just downright ridiculous for something the core of which is archived TV shows that just have to be uploaded.

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  120. It's a totally different drink in Canada than in the US. Up here it's a 7% vodka drink.

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  121. AverageJoeEverymanMay 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    I see roughly 3 games of human chess on this DVD.

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  122. I think a price increase is basically a guarantee at this point.

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  123. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    Hasn't the team been owned by the NHL for years, and you can basically have it for free as long as you assume all the team's debt, or something like that? Or did that situation get cleared up? The same thing kind of happened to the Sabres (fuck you, Rigas!) and the a couple other teams over the years in other sports.

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  124. DID YOU KNOW...I wasted a decade of my life in this place, but thanks for kicking this rat off the ship before it sinks, you jar of jackals.

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  125. Didn't they botch that finish I thought? I remember there being a bunch of confusion - and I thought it was weird that even though Taker debuted as a face, Triple H still retained the title. It felt strange.

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  126. DID YOU KNOW...The "DID YOU KNOW" segments are now sponsored by Zoloft; wonderful, wonderful Zoloft?

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  127. I believe the overhead is due to 2 years of Vince hiring and firing entire staffs based on each change in vision of what the Network was supposed to be.

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  128. Stranger in the AlpsMay 19, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    I bought the show for online viewing, and watched it with Mrs. Stranger after we were married only 7 months. When the crossface was applied I remember standing up and screaming "TAP MOTHERFUCKER!!! TAAAAAAAAAAP!!". Surprisingly, we're still married 10 years later.

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  129. IPad is glitching on me so I can't post the link but they do have an ownership group in place as of the Fall of 2013. And they were sold at 170 million according to the article I'm reading.

    Only reason I asked is I'm a curious person by nature and name dropping the Coyotes seemed incredibly random to me lol

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  130. Random one, but an edition of WWF Superstars from '94 featuring Owen Hart vs Marty Jannetty--Remember it because it was my birthday and watched it with a buddy who had just started watching, it was the first time I'd ever been the more experienced fan who explained it to a newbie.
    --Bret winning the title at Wrestlemania X
    --Everything surrounding the death of Owen Hart and the tribute show, ditto Eddie Guerrero & Chris Benoit
    --Actually most of 93-94 since that's when I started watching and everything was big and fresh and new.

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  131. There is some parallel universe where that kid played Harry Potter. It may well have brought on the apocalypse.

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  132. Yeah I expect a price increase but I'm hoping it doesn't get to the 14.99 mark because that is past my limit on what I want to pay monthly on the network and I feel a lot of people are in the same boat as to that line of thinking.

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  133. I was referring to new fans to drive to the network, but you may be correct either way.

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  134. Noted. My fault.

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  135. And that's why you'll never see playlist functionality in the network.

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  136. I think the rumors started when one of the channels Cuban owns HDnet started giving ROH TV time on his networks very week in the late 2000s

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  137. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM

    Just because it reminds me of the Sabres thing, it was obviously a big deal here. The league had to step in and take over the team because the owner, John Rigas (of Adelpiha Cable) and his 2 kids were busted in a massive banking scandal that sent them to prison and totally bankrupted the team. Tom Gollisano (owner of Paychex, if you've ever had a legit job in the U.S. he's had a small cut) immediately stepped in and bought the team for something like $15 million, plus a promissory note of about the same amount, but he also had to be responsible for the $150 million or so debt those Rigas assholes racked up. The team was always profitable and he sold it to Terry Peguila for $450 million about 4 years ago.* Worked out well for everyone.


    *I'm just going by memory here, Google will probably give you more accurate numbers. But that was the basic situation.

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  138. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    I was going down on my ex girlfriend/fiancée when The Rock came back to the WWE. When I was caught watching the TV screen....it didn't go over well.

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  139. Reminds me of George with the sandwich, sex, and TV.

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  140. They've got to be paying decent money to make shows like Legends House too...which is just stupid at this juncture. But go figure: Vince won't let the wrestling sell itself.

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  141. I'm one of those old fans who really stopped watching wwe (I'm a TNA fan now) but got the network anyway specifically for the video library.

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  142. Sure, and these numbers will go down and down until they hit zero in 2015/16?


    But my point is we're not there yet.

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  143. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    Question, with digital media becoming bigger and bigger are we looking at the end of DVD's and Blu Rays? Not only with the WWE but for everything?

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  144. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    They should be sponsored by Cialis. DID YOU KNOW... If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours you should seek either a prostitute or medical attention immediately. I recommend the prostitute, it's cheaper and they still make house calls.

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  145. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 19, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    I just tried sex and tv, it can't be done!

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  146. Well technically if you were going down on here, you did all three.

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  147. I don't know the specifics about WWE's financial statements, since I haven't seen them as I'm not a stockholder, but generally companies will budget for stuff like this. Let's say WWE thought they could get 700,000 subscribers before the end of the six month period, and thought (read:guessed) that maybe 100,000 people wouldn't renew (from the people who signed up originally), and so on. So, their numbers may be are off, but they are at least trying to account for those numbers.

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  148. DID YOU KNOW...Cialis (C) doesn't make you any less lonely? Oh God, what am I going to do now? Everyone I know I know from work...

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  149. Stranger in the AlpsMay 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    A man should always trade wrestling for sex. At least you didn't have Bizarre Foods on or something like that.

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  150. I've always felt the Network was a bad idea. The product just isn't hot right now and I always had questions about whether it was really financially viable. I'm waiting on when it goes international, though, to really see if this thing will work or fail.

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  151. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 19, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    dude, the exact same thing happened to me!

    i also was watching the tv screen when the rock came back!

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  152. Didn't they tape Legends House years ago?

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  153. And the problem there (at least with giving less stuff) is that now that they've given a ton initially, they risk making people angry by reducing content. The other content problem is they have to fill 24 hours of programming on the Network and there is only so many times you can replay Extreme Rules 2012 or whatever.


    A price increase is coming, but they also need to be careful with that since Netflix is like $8.47 a month for live streaming and they are only increasing theirs by $1. If WWE goes over $15 or so then they are going to be hurting. I'd argue for the price increase to happen before the next WrestleMania, but not before the next 6 month re-up period.

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  154. similar to this I've never, ever completed the movie Love Actually cause I actually always end up making love at the part where Liam Neeson is all "You know what laddeh! Tell her how you feel" or something.

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  155. I think, at the very least, you're going to see them add another tier of pricing, where Royal Rumble, WM, and Summerslam are included.


    Someone suggested on here a while back something like $12.99 for twelve months, $14.99 for six months, or $19.99 per month. I think we might see something like that.

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  156. Did you know the human head weighs 8 pounds? http://bit.ly/1o7jmys

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  157. Agree 100% with this. I liked 24/7 when I had cable. They could have launched a better on-demand service for their archives or something and made money on the side. No reason to cannibalize their DVD or PPV revenue at all.

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  158. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    I dunno man, we'll see when the ER numbers come out. I think they'll be pretty ugly, though that was a really weak card to begin with. I still say they should have just had Orton come out and say "I was the champ, and you didn't beat me at WM" and just have Bryan say back "I will at ER!" and book it from there. Who the fuck is paying to see a card with fucking Kane in the main?


    So yeah, I guess we're not there yet. MITB and Summerslam, those numbers will tell us the real story.

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  159. I hear you on that. I guarantee you the company won't admit it as such at this point.

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  160. Vince won't be there, but be prepared for some snide comments from Cole, Lawler, and JBL about that kinda stuff.

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  161. I can't believe the BOD isn't blowing up upon the biggest announcement of the day...Rosa Mendes is joining the cast of Total Divas for season 3!


    Seriously, she's still employed?

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  162. I'd be interested to know just how long the plan was for a streaming service. It feels very much like they promised a TV channel for years and when that didn't work out they jumped on this idea assuming no one would notice the difference and without much of a look into how much it would really cost.


    I've a feeling that streaming was not at all their original plan.

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  163. Of course they'll be ugly, that's not the point at all.


    People are talking like the PPV number will go from 80 Million to nothing overnight.


    I'm simply saying it wont.

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  164. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Que?

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  165. Of course it wasn't their original plan. Hell it wasn't even Plan B.

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  166. I like the network as a long term plan, but there was no business need to rush it. Get all your financial ducks in a row first, then launch.

    Either that or launch a secondary stock offering when it was above $25 to give them a cash cushion to weather the storm.

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  167. Yeah, I am starting to think they saw the success of Netflix and in their infinite wisdom said "We're WWE. We have TONS of people that love us! We can blow them out of the water!" Remember, these people think they are on par with Hollywood and such, so it is not shocking to me that they rushed this idea through. Since reports say the underlings are afraid to speak up in front of Vince and others, I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least ONE person in the room that was like "well, this is a bad idea for a, b, c, etc." but didn't say anything.

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  168. You know, someone else mentioned these same things and these are very interesting points. The TV channel likely would've been more interesting.

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  169. The matches on Disc 1 that have "exclusive commentary" are all matches from house shows that were filmed but didn't air on TV, so the matches had no commentary. Dusty's DVD from 2006 has a cage match between him and Blanchard with no announcers that's from the same July 6, 1985 show as the Flair/Koloff match on this Bash set.

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  170. IF (and it's still a big if because we don't know what the international numbers will look like) the Network fails, how will that impact WWE going forward? Clearly, the pay-per-view would be in bad shape, but that would probably tank the stock further, no?

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  171. No.


    Drastic reduction in sales? Yes.


    I personally enjoy having a hard copy for things i truly enjoy and take absolute delight in the fact that people's TB hard drives are a ticking time bomb just waiting to go poof one day.

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  172. If we don't see $14.99 at some point soon, I would be shocked.

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  173. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

    Even kill the DVD revenue. This would work... IF they weren't showing the PPVs on there. I mean, if we got someone here that knows finance, feel free to explain to me how that is supposed to make money.

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  174. I think that price would depress numbers further, no? I just couldn't see myself paying $14.99 for a wrestling network. That's like the cost of 2 Netflix subscriptions!

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  175. I seriously believe that a collection of people on this blog could've come up with a better Network blueprint/plan than what is happening.

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  176. Here's my impressions on that Dust game I mentioned below - essentially it's the prettiest fucking Xbox 360 game in the history of the god damn universe and if you don't play it you should...reconsider your life.

    http://meekinonmovies.blogspot.com/2014/05/games-with-gold-impressions-dust.html

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  177. That is exactly my point Mr. Scisco. Increasing to 14.99 is a panic move on wwe's part that will blow up in their face to epic proportions.

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  178. Nah, I'd actually enjoy a shoot from someone who knows a lot about the financials of the business. It'd be something different.

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  179. Undertaker's is 33 pounds, I believe.

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  180. People were so angry when they thought Benoit was eating a Pedigree. It was tremendous

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  181. Gotcha. It'll be funny to hear the announcers hype the price increase. As someone joked when I postulated that last week, "It's just like Netflix! Just more expensive!"

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  182. http://media2.giphy.com/media/Z0eRJzAWwECCQ/giphy.gif

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  183. Yes, it's on the Horsemen DVD from 2007 with no commentary.

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  184. Complete bullshit speculation time! - Remember when Bret Hart was supposedly negotiating with WCW about making the jump in January 1992 while still being Intercontinental Champion?


    I wonder if he could have also made his debut during that Kip Frey segment? if he did where would you book him? As part of Stings Squadron? Maybe Nikita Koloff's return was partially due to not having the Hitman in that spot so they plugged in Nikita as plan b?

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  185. Haha, bought by Comcast/Time Warner or AT&T/Dish!

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  186. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Do exactly what you're doing now, but don't show the PPVs for free (subscribers should get a hefty discount) and don't even bother pissing away money on some reality TV horseshit. I mean, I never seen Legends House, but I like the concept, so keep that if it's any good, but otherwise fuck that. That's pretty much it.

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  187. It should just be Bischoff getting Jackknifed on repeat for 6 hours.
    YOU DON'T JACK US AROUND!

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  188. Say what you will about how awful and retarded Legends House is, but it's apparently super popular with the majority of Network viewers.

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  189. 64 would be fun, but they'd have to definitely bring in some NXT guys and Legends to help pad it out.

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  190. So much for all the pundits saying that the WWE Network was an instant success.


    WWE Network is becoming the new XFL in failed ideas.

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  191. People love watching trainwrecks and that is exactly what Legends House is. I tried watching one episode with my dad and gave up on it 25 minutes into the episode.

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  192. It absolutely wasn't.

    Vince originally wanted the Network to be a channel with a fixed programming schedule that could be packaged in with the "sports" lineups for cable/satellite providers.



    It wasn't until every provider gave him a firm and resounding "NO, STOP ASKING" that he started to think about on-demand streaming.

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  193. I honestly think it's as simple as they overestimated how many people who watch Raw would be willing to spend $10 a month on the network. I could see them thinking, "It's only ten dollars," but they vastly overestimated what WWE meant to fans, in terms of entertainment value. Plus, add in the technological barrier many people have we've discussed on here before.

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  194. http://instagram.com/p/oMcwhtgFM1/



    Was this miracle of Photoshop discussed yet today? His head looks like it's shrunk about 30%.

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  195. Ew. Not a good plan, in my view. People kind of shat on Top Guy Shawn in 96, I don't think more of the same was in order. Maybe Shawn/Taker in a face-face match?

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  196. I hear that about your beer, too.

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