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The SmarK Rant for Clash of Champions I

The SmarK Rant for Clash of the Champions I

Turns out I haven’t actually done this show since 98ish, and that’s just ridiculous. So everyone should know the deal with this by now, as Jim Crockett decided to run a free TV special to fuck with Wrestlemania IV, and it worked spectacularly well, tanking the buyrate and making a star out of Sting. My wrestling friends in school were PUMPED about this show back in the day and we were crushed to find out that it was on TBS and thus we couldn’t see it on TV here in Canada. Also, thank god this is the original TV version and not the home video one.

Live from Greensboro, NC

Your hosts are Jim Ross, Tony Schiavone & Bob Caudle

World TV title: Mike Rotundo v. Jimmy Garvin

This is under amateur rules, which is a weird way to kick off a big show. A one-count wins and there’s rounds. Rotundo goes for a single-leg and pulls the tights to do so, but Garvin takes him down with a slam and Rotundo bails. Interesting tension here in that any cover basically ends it. Garvin works on a facelock and they threaten to exchange fisticuffs, but Teddy Long breaks them up. Rotundo gets a clothesline and goes for the cover, but Garvin rolls to his stomach as the round expires. Second round and Rotundo attacks and goes up (like they do in amateur wrestling), which allows Garvin to slam him off. Garvin with the brainbuster, but he goes after Kevin Sullivan and Rotundo rolls him up for the pin at 6:45 to retain. And then Precious kicks some serious ass, laying out Rick Steiner with a 2x4 and choking Sullivan down with a coat hanger. Nothing much to this. *1/2

Steve Williams returns from Japan to offer his support for Dusty Rhodes and challenge Ric Flair. So, uh, Dr. Death with a live mic, bad idea.

US tag team titles: The Midnight Express v. The Fantastics

Oh man, “Chase” has been expunged from the Midnights’ entrance! That’s criminal. Big brawl to start and Fulton goes crazy with a chair, taking out Eaton on the floor and then chasing the Express into another brawl outside. This time the Express gets the best of it, as Lane lays Fulton out with a chair and even Cornette is throwing shit around. JR notes that they’re not here “to listen to rock n roll music and look good”. Clearly. In the ring, the Fantastics toss them around, but finally the Express gets their shit together and takes out Rogers with a Total Elimination. That’s more like it. Superkick from Lane and Cornette blatantly holds up a table, as Eaton sends Rogers into it behind the ref’s back. Now THAT’S some spectacular cheating. Eaton with a powerslam and flying elbow and they pound on Rogers in the corner. Demolition-style flying knee from Eaton as the crowd is going batshit. I love that they don’t just do the standard “punch and kick in the corner” stuff for the heel offense here, it’s crazy double-teams and non-stop action. Lane tosses Rogers after a hope spot and Eaton slams him on the table, and he’s still moving so Eaton bulldogs him on the table as well. Back in, more awesome double-teaming, but Rogers lunges over for the hot tag…which the ref doesn’t see. And then Cornette leaps in and starts hitting him with the tennis racket to boot. He hits the wrong guy, however, and the Fantastics hit Eaton with the Rocket Launcher for the pin and the titles at 10:20? Nope, as in fact the ref had been thrown over the top rope and thus it’s a Dusty Finish instead. Crappy finish, but it at least built to the Fantastics winning the belts for real soon after. This was just crazy action from start to finish. ****1/4

Meanwhile, Jim Cornette does a comedy routine with Eddie Haskell.

Gary Hart introduces us to Vince Russo’s twin brother Al Perez, who wants Dusty’s US title. Notice how the babyfaces make sure to support Dusty and the heels challenge Dusty?

And now the top 10 seeds for the Crockett Cup, many of which ended up not happening due to re-booking stuff:

10. Ivan Koloff & Dick Murdoch

9. Sting & Ron Garvin

8. Varsity Club

7. Fantastics

6. Windham & Luger

5. Powers of Pain

4. Midnight Express

3. Road Warriors

2. Nikita & Dusty

1. Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard

Chicago Street Fight: Dusty Rhodes & The Road Warriors v. The Powers of Pain & Ivan Koloff

The ropes are wrapped in barbed wire just for fun. Animal is wearing a hockey mask due to having a weight dropped on his face, so he’s rather upset. The babyfaces beat on the Powers and of course Dusty is the first one to bleed. The poor ref just stands around outside waiting for a pinfall, and Animal quickly finishes Barbarian with a powerslam. Just a big messy brawl, nothing to it. ½*

Nikita Koloff is back and he’s high on SPORTS, not drugs. Also, Dusty Rhodes is his friend.

NWA World tag team titles: Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson v. Barry Windham & Lex Luger

The Horsemen had been champions forever and teaming up Windham & Luger was the nuclear option to deal with the problem once and for all. It not only made it sweeter for fans when they succeeded, but made the Horsemen seems all the more terrible when they outsmarted everyone and got the belts back again. Ah, those were the days. Farewell to Luger’s music, by the way. Luger overpowers Tully to start, and clotheslines both champions. Powerslam for Tully and he racks him, but Arn kicks him in the knee and quickly goes to work on it. The Horsemen switch off on the knee, but Barry gets a quick tag and cleans house. Lariat for Tully and he drops the knee, and his own powerslam gets two. Sleeper and Tully rolls out to escape, but Barry just hangs on. Tully tries going up and gets slammed off, and Windham follows with an abdominal stretch, leaving him open for a DDT from AA. That gets two. The crowd is just insane for the faces, popping for everything. Spinebuster gets two and Arn does the knucklelock spot and lands on Windham's knees, but brings Tully back in as he pounds away for two. Windham comes back with a bodypress for two and they collide, setting up the pinfall reversal spot. Windham reverses the bridge into a gutwrench suplex, but Anderson cuts off the tag and works on the arm. Windham fights out of it, but Arn takes him down again, and they butt heads. Back to Tully for the slingshot suplex, but that only gets two. Arn can't cut off another tag, and Luger is HERE. Clotheslines for everyone and the crowd is just going crazy as Luger is no-selling everything. Tully trips him up, but Luger comes right back with a powerslam for Arn and it's BONZO GONZO. JJ grabs a chair, but Luger rams Arn into it and the pop redefines the term "blowing the roof off the joint at 9:34, ****1/4 Not only some of the loudest sustained heat for any match you'll ever hear, but one of the fasted-paced tag team matches you'll ever see, as they just packed everything but the kitchen sink into a 10-minute match and threw it all there. Also highly recommended is the rematch where Windham turned on Luger and ripped the hearts out of fans everywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVk0NgwtwLI

NWA World title: Ric Flair v. Sting

So this is Sting's first big shot at the title, with a 45-minute TV time limit and a panel of judges to make sure there's a winner. Including Jason Hervey and Eddie Haskell, so you know they mean business. Sting grabs the headlock to start and powers Flair down off a wristlock. They do the test of strength and Flair opts to chop out of it, but Sting no-sells it and hiptosses him out of the ring. Back in, Sting controls with a hammerlock and they criss-cross into a press-slam from Sting. Sting takes him down with a flying headscissors into the hiptoss, and back to the headlock again. Flair fights up and hiptosses out of it, but Sting counters and goes right back to it again. Flair fights up and Sting hiptosses him and tries another dropkick, but Flair dodges him. Sting gets tossed but pops right back in and fires away in the corner, then right back to the headlock again. Flair chops out of it and they slug it out in the corner, and Sting gets another press slam, into the bearhug.

Flair makes it to the corner to escape and Sting tries to follow with the Stinger splash, but misses and hits his arm on the post. Flair is all over him, tossing him and running him into the railing. Back in, Flair throws the chops and Sting goes down, so Flair hammers on the back. Kneedrop times two and Flair rips at the face just to be a bastard. He rakes the face on the ropes and fires more chops in the corner, and Sting ends up on the floor again. Flair sends him into the railing again and they head back in so Flair can chop him again. Sting gets fired up, though, and slugs Flair right out of the ring, but charges at Flair and hits the post. So the arm is hurt again and Flair goes to town back in the ring, but Sting pops up and slugs away in the corner. Clothesline gets two. Flair tries to make a run for it, but Sting suplexes him back in and into the Scorpion Deathlock. Flair quickly makes the ropes, so Sting takes Flair to the corner again and shrugs off a chop. He slugs Flair down for two, but Ric is in the ropes again. Sting hiptosses him and tries a clothesline, but Flair moves and Sting hits the floor again. Flair takes a breather, but Sting comes in with a high cross for two. Flair catches him with the kneecrusher, however, and starts pounding on the knee. Another kneecrusher and Sting bails to the floor. Back in, Flair pounds on the knee again and adds a backdrop suplex, and now we go to school! Flair uses the ropes to assist as usual, but Sting powers into the reversal. Flair is up first, however, and goes after the knee again, then sets up on the apron for a suplex. Crowd freaks out, but Sting suplexes him back in instead, only to miss a big splash.

They fight for the abdominal stretch and Sting wins that, but Flair hiptosses out. Flair chops him down and goes up, but Sting slams him off for two. He pulls Flair into the corner and posts him, then gets his own figure-four. Flair escapes, so Sting stomps on the knee again and yanks him out of the corner to work on the leg again. Flair Flip and he hits the floor, but Sting follows and beats on him. Flair tries a sunset flip back in, but Sting slugs him down and rakes Flair's face on the ropes. Sting fires away in the corner, then no-sells Flair's atomic drop and clotheslines him for two. Stinger splash misses and Sting hits the floor in dramatic fashion. Back in, they slug it out and Flair goes down, but comes back with a sleeper, so Sting rams him into the turnbuckle to break. Flair tosses him in desperation, but Sting comes back in with a sunset flip, which Flair blocks for two. Young kicks him out of the ropes and Sting gets two. Flair begs off and Sting whips him out, but Flair comes in with a high cross, reversed by Sting for two. Sting no-sells all of Flair's offense now, hammering him in the corner to set up the Stinger splash. Scorpion Deathlock with time running out, but Flair hangs on until the time limit at 45:00. The decision: Two judges for Flair, two for Sting, one for a draw. Silly booking aside, I definitely gave this one short shrift on the original rant, as the full match flows much better and you can see the storyline of young and hungry Sting fighting for his life but not knowing how to finish. Definitely a modern classic. ****1/2

The Pulse

Are you KIDDING me? This is the one of the best wrestling shows in HISTORY, full stop, with three **** matches in a two-hour span. Yet another reason to justify the $10 for the Network.

Comments

  1. The worst edit of all time is in the home video version of Flair/Sting. Ric Flair applies a figure-four. There's a cut to the crowd, and suddenly Sting has Flair in the figure-four.

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  2. "Oh man, “Chase” has been expunged from the Midnights’ entrance!"
    It's even worse because at this point in time, the Midnights weren't using the actual song but a rip-off version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPho6uM74YY
    For some reason, they went back to the real song sometime in 1989 and kept it for the rest of their run.

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  3. There's so much on this card that still holds up today. If my parents had denied me WMIV and I instead had this as my back-up plan, I probably would have been an NWA fan much sooner than Clash X.


    Honestly, even the Cornette-Haskell thing wasn't that bad, when normally that's a segment that can go completely off the rails.

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  4. I watched the mxe vs fantastics match twice last night. Great match. I cannot believe how awesome this show was. I had seen the sting vs flair match a few times but I had never seen this show as a whole. The crowd is on fire the whole time too. God I love the wwe network

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  5. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    sting/flair is not **** 1/2

    this is older and you've since modified that rating, right? much of the match is plodding

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  6. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    *time passes*

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  7. You are smoking something which I would be curious to know the legality of.

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  8. Perhaps Loser is a Washingtonian or a Coloradan.

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  9. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    talk to curry!

    anyway, i dunno, i've seen it a few times and i just found that some parts were just kinda there *shrug*

    not saying it's a bad match or not worth seeing, but i don't think it was off the charts or anything

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  10. Two matches combined under twenty minutes were both FOUR STARS or higher. I don't think there's ever been a show like that before.

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  11. I still can't believe they drew 16,000 to the Coliseum for Starrcade '86, but 16 months later, they only drew 6000 for the Clash.

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  12. "THERE MUST BE A WINNER!" Or, maybe not.

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  13. And the other 10,000 regretted missing that Clash, I bet.

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  14. That Midnights/Fantastics match is the shit! I'd also only seen Flair/Sting and was blown away by that match.

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  15. I think you need to take into consideration the fact that Sting was just on the brink of becoming a star and this match literally made his entire career. The crowd was hot for 45 minutes straight.

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  16. It is but i wouldnt give Tully & Arn vs. Windham & Luger ****1/4.Probably ***1/2 or maybe ***3/4

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  17. That's one where the crowd adds almost a *, IMO. When Scott mentions "blowing off the roof", he's not exaggerating much. I'd easily put it in the Top 5 Pops of all time.

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  18. Oh Dusty... you'd know a LOT about that, wouldn't you?


    ;)

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  19. This reminds me of the ECW tv show where any time they had to make an edit they would just cut to the guy in the front row who always brought the signs and sat next to Hawaiian shirt guy. There's one episode where Eddie's wrestling and they show the same clip of him holding up an Art Barr sign like three times to make edits.

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  20. The pop was massive but the match itself was pretty good, not great


    Still awesome either way.

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  21. That is some magic type shit right there

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  22. I've never seen this show outside of Flair/Sting and I just got done watching it and holy shit was it awesome. The Rotunda match and the Road Warrior match were bleh, but even those were helped by how insane the crowd was. Both of the tag matches on this show were awesome, especially the Midnights match. As Scott said, the crowd is white hot throughout the Tully/Arn match and watching it with fresh eyes, I actually popped a little when Luger and Windham won. I'm so used to Dusty finishes while watching these old shows that I was waiting for the decision to be somehow overturned.

    I'm contemplating watching Clash 2 next or jumping to a Clash I actually watched as a fan. (I started watching WCW in 93)

    I am so looking forward to skimming through all the Clashes and I can't wait for the SNMEs whenever they get added.

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  23. The rating for this match is very subjective I must admit but the crowd heat elevates it IMO.

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  24. SNME and Clashes (at least the good ones of those) are basically my favorite wrestling shows.

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  25. It's great in a wrestling-as-sports way. It has the structure of a great overtime football game that is a defense-dominated struggle for a while and turns into a shootout late in the 4th quarter. Except there is no overtime, so it's like a college football game from the 80s when they could still end in ties.

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  26. I made a .doc with all the WCW PPV's with Clashes in chronological order. If anyone wants it, let me know.

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  27. The SNMEs especially have a lot of nostalgia for me. When I was growing up, my best friend's dad had all the SNMEs recorded on VHS and we'd spend the weekend watching all those old events. I love those shows and can't wait to have them all in pristine quality on the network.

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  28. It is a profound bummer to me that the most recent run of SNME was such garbage. That should be at least a twice-a-year event that is angle-heavy, sets up a lot of new storylines that get paid off at Rumble/Mania/SummerSlam/whatever and has one or two good matches. Of course, no way could a JBL/Cole/Lawler SNME be as fun as a Ventura/McMahon/Maybe-Heenan one, but that's a whole other issue.

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  29. My question is, if the Windham turn happened today, would it be seen as a swerve for the sake of a swerve and would it get "Fire Russo" chants? I mean, I know the 4H were courting Barry before he started the team with Lex, but when they joined that should have been the resolution. And why give up half of a world title when you (kayfabe) weren't sure turning bad would get you another title?

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  30. After I wrote this, I thought, "Was I being too harsh on the most recent SNME run?" And I found my answer: SNME from 6-2-2007 had the following two matches as its LAST TWO MATCHES ON THE SHOW:


    Finlay and Hornswoggle defeated The Boogeyman and Little Boogeyman

    Kane, Doink the Clown, and Eugene defeated Kevin Thorn, Viscera, and Umaga

    Going to go take a shower and cry.

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  31. I dunno It's good but sting didn't spend enough time trying to get his car running to race away from Flair and the arena.

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  32. I watched Clash 2 and 3 and found them nowhere near as good as the first one. The first one was a great stand alone wrestling show. The next two were giant infomercials for the next ppv with some wrestling happening to be tossed in there. Hopefully they start to get better again. Don't get me wrong there is some ok wrestling but it's like watching Survivor Series 91 and constantly hearing them pimp for Tuesday in Texas

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  33. Hell no, because there's logic and intelligence behind the swerve. Windham had been on the wrong end of more than one Horsemen beatdown even BEFORE he teamed with Luger, and knew what they could bring to him.


    Now, removing himself from the title picture might have been knocked around, because he WAS putting on some damn good stuff with Flair.

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  34. I would argue the crowd heat elevates a lot fo 80s NWA stuff. Kinda sad to hear these shows compared to today's crowds that just pop for the entrance, catchphrase (heel or face) and the highspots. We've been trained not even to believe in nearfalls anymore.

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  35. I got into this yesterday morning, but the concept of a SNME/Clash show died when Nitro/Raw/12 PPVs overloaded the "main event" scale.


    Why would I watch a SNME when the wrestlers have already faced off multiple times on other shows, either recently or months/years ago?

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  36. The Clashes as a whole were awesome for their time, as there were only 4-6 PPVs per year, and the idea of the "supercard" weekly show was years away.


    Something like Midnights/Flair-Windham, unless you were in a LUCKY house show crowd, was not going to be seen outside a Clash/PPV, and the PPV's were usually busy with Flair defending the world title.

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  37. It kinda reminds me of the Benoit and Jericho v. Rock and HHH.
    I'd take the WWF match though.

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  38. "Benoit and Jericho v. Rock and HHH."


    When was this!?!

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  39. Also, I remember JJ and Flair did an interview where they flat out said they wanted Windham as the 4th Horseman and that being in their group would be more beneficial than hanging with a guy like Lex. Dillon talked about how unreliable Luger was (in their eyes) and during the match where he turned, Windham tried to tag Luger who was knocked to the outside. Dillon kept yelling, "see what I told you! He's not there when you need him!"

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  40. It was unlucky that Windham was the 4th member when Arn/Tully headed north... that iteration never got the proper "blowoff" that Windham deserved, much like Sting and Luger got.

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  41. It was very good "long term" booking, even done in a shorter timeframe. So many little things adding up to the obvious, yet acceptable, solution.

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  42. I also agree with that, which is why I'm in favor of an "Every week is not WrestleMania" style of booking.

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  43. Well Windham did lose the US title to Luger and then he headed to the WWF, so I guess that counts as the blow-off to that part of the angle.

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  44. Also, though, if something like the Wyatts-Shield II had been on an SNME instead of the modern-day Main Event? Amazing.

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  45. oh I know and SNME was no different once they went to 3 and then 4 ppvs a year. But when you watch them 25 years later it isn't nearly as much fun to hear constant hype for the show as it was when I was a kid looking forward to WM or Survivor Series.

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  46. I can't wait to watch this show later in the week, when I have time. I haven't seen it in probably fifteen years or so, but I think in general it's hard for a match to reach **** or better without getting at least 12-15 minutes. Obviously, debating star ratings of a specific match is kinda silly, but I think it's hard to tell the story needed in the ring in such a short amount of time.

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  47. I know were not going back to the days of jobber-filled cards, but I have to be honest: I miss the days of anticipating a match between two guys, because we knew there was no way we were seeing them on free tv. I think it's something they were doing really well on the Raw's they're showing on the network now. Granted, it isn't like they had the best roster in the world, but they seemed to be doing a great job of having "mid-card main events" on Raw, while saving some stuff for the pay-per-views.

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  48. There Must Be a Winner......unless one of our moron judges votes for a damn draw.

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  49. The only problem I have with heel turns like Windham's is that if they just bothered to go back and watch the footage, they'd see that their reason for turning was not what it seemed at the time. I guess it's one of those wrestling gaps in logic you have to accept.

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  50. She wanted to be with a "60 minute man!"

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  51. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    Totally agree. All three of those would make sense as HIAC matches.

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  52. Other than "feuding with Kane", there is zero comparison. Most notably, Ryder was Kane's bitch each and every week. Daniel has beaten Kane every single time.

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  53. haha Fair enough!

    Well, the only stream I know of is here:
    www.tombstone6.com

    And this might help you. Look a couple of paragraphs down:
    https://wiki.videolan.org/Flash_Video/

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  54. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    I've been laughing at this video for about 30 minutes now.

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  55. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    That would be tremendous.

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  56. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Mick Foley's comments:

    Whether Daniel Bryan - WWE Universe knows it or not, NOW is the time that the fiercest fighting takes place for a WWE champion - and it has nothing to do with the action in the ring. Now is the time to step up a...nd shoot down horrible ideas that can derail even the most promising of ideas. I used to joke that Daniel was the exception to the rule that every top guy in WWE has been percieved at one time or another as a pain in the neck - largely for their willingness to step up and call the creative team out on bad ideas when they see them. That thing I saw tonight - that thing with Daniel and Brie Bella - WWE Universe and the car? That was a bad idea - one that never should have seen the light of day.

    I have said on several occasions that I used up my ammo when it came to complaining about WWE storylines when I went to bat for the #YesMovement in the aftermath of the Royal Rumble. I'm going to do my very best to do just that. But I'll first ask everyone involved - Daniel, Brie, Hunter, Steph, Vince, etc., to take a good look at the nearly identical storyline that ran Zack Ryder's promising career off the rails...and do everything they can to avoid that same horrible stretch of track.

    Have a nice day. See More

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  57. Stranger in the AlpsMay 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    I believe they pulled some matches from the new Warrior DVD. There was a match with Barry Horowitz, which I believe was his debut match; The Honky Tonk Man at Summerslam 88; Andre the Giant from SNME; Ted DiBiase in Japan; and Rick Rude from SNME.

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  58. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Understandable, but the only way to make wrestlers serious is to put them in serious matches and gut out wins.

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  59. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Cesaro winning the briefcase would make a lot of sense, especially if Brock wins the title from Bryan around SummerSlam time. Heyman Guys slow-burn: Brock holding the title and Cesaro with the briefcase. They could really build that into something when the HeymanPowers eventually explode

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  60. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Suburban Commando or GTFO.

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  61. Also, Hogan would need a stairlift to keep up with the rest of the Shield on their entrance.


    This would be gold.

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  62. I will repeat again that Zach got his butt kicked every single inch of the way, and never got his moment of revenge. That makes all of the difference in the world.

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  63. Which, ideally, would happen BEFORE you put your biggest title on him.

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  64. They usually get those wins BEFORE winning the world title out of the blue.

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  65. beat me by 0.5 seconds. :)

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  66. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    It really should have been Orton tapping out at Mania. Pays off the "Bryan finally beats Orton" part, plus saves Batista-Bryan for later. Easy plot point: "You won at WM30, but you never beat ME!"

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  67. that was great

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  68. Yeah there's a old youtube video somewhere where Russo talks about how he produced a segment on Impact that drew a 1.4 rating (or something like that) and Russo giving himself a big pat on the back.

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  69. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Yeah, Mick. You were never involved in anything stupid. You're right.

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  70. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Welp, it didn't so now that they have they can't take it off without making it look like they've fucked up. Let him run with it and give him some wins. If it doesn't work then take it off of him.
    Hotshotting is never a good idea.

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  71. "LET ME TELL YA SOMETHING, BROTHER.... Now that the Hounds of Justice have got Hulkamania behind 'em, brother, you're gunna see this whole thing go on to a whole new level, jack!


    Cos right now, we're stronger than ever, brother!


    We're gunna get you in that ring, back you up in to a corner, and the mad man Dan Ambrose is gunna be all over ya, like a ragin' pitbull, dude!


    Then before ya know it, brother, Seth.... Seth Rollins is gunna be on ya like a bat outta hell, dude!


    Then once you pick yaself off the mat, seeing more stars than space, dude, you'll look over and see the muscle of the Shield, brother! Roman Reigns will spear you in half, dude!


    So the Hounds of Justice and Hulkamania has got just ONE QUESTION FOR YOU....


    WHAT YA GUNNA DO, WHEN THE HULKS OF JUSTICE, RUN WILD... ON... YOU?!"

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  72. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    A point was made that the problem was that DBry's being booked backwards. He's usually the brave face that has beaten Kane before and NOW he's scared of him? They could have gotten another wrestler over with this.

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  73. I was thinking the "Windham gets turfed" part, but yeah, that would be a blowoff of sorts. About as good as Arn and Tully got.

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  74. You look like youve seen $hitty days!

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  75. You look like youve seen better days!

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  76. Yo look like youve seen better days.

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  77. Yo look like youve seen better days@!

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  78. You look like youve seen better days..

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  79. Disagree, man.


    It was scarily like it. DB acting like a wimp for a hot woman who he overachieved to obtain, all while running away from Kane.


    They also did some really poor horror skits.


    I'd say it's pretty darn similar.

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  80. I think that Brie's safety is a big factor in it, he's mostly running to make sure she's safe. That's my theory anyway. (Plus Daniel could change a tire with one arm tied behind his back, baby!)

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  81. jobber knows what's up.


    My speed is set at 1.25x though. Can't watch wrestling at normal speed again.

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  82. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    Yeah he's good with cars. Unlike Ryder.

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  83. Kind of missing the point a bit there.


    Foley's character was a lovable goof, so he could get away with more.


    DB isn't meant to be a goof (he is lovable though), and this was meant to be a SERIOUS SEGMENT.

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  84. Ryder was Friend Zoned from the get go, Daniel Married Brie. Plus again, Daniel has beaten Kane more than once already. All Zach could get was a PPV pre-show loss, and maybe a fluke battle royal win.



    I know it's the cool thing to yell "OMG BURIED" towards Daniel, but come on...

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  85. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Replace DBry and B-Cup Bella with Santino and that goofy dancing chick = no problem.

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  86. Why is the champion acting like a wimp with his wife, and RUNNING AWAY from the guy he beat last night?


    That's a big, big issue.


    And that's without bringing up the fact Brie is nothing but an anchor to his run right now, AND not even bringing up the awful acting.


    Bryan can act (look at his Team Hell No stuff). He's not the best ever, but this shit was real bad. Brie makes him unlikable by proxy, and the storyline is weak sauce.


    The fact he STAYED IN A ROOM most of the night under orders for Stephanie tells you a lot. That's fucking shit.

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  87. Quick side note on the barbedwire 6 man tag, I guess the Turner executives lost their mind after the match and THUS was the end of barbed wire in the company. If I remember right, Dusty tells this story in the 'Hardcore' edition of Legends Roundtable

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  88. All would have been fine!


    In fact, it probably would have helped those two out a little!

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  89. But this shouldn't be happening.


    Having a FACE champion who you're trying to get over stay inside a fucking room all night to protect his shivering wife shouldn't even be an option. This shouldn't be booked like this.


    It makes him look fucking pussy as hell.


    Leave the wife at home, have Kane fucking appear in Bryan's living room and go to attack her, leaving Bryan to drive home and beat the shit out of him.


    There's one way you could have done it and achieved the SAME THING without making him look like a total lameass.

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  90. Exactly. And it's one of those "you had to be watching then" things. Fans from the peak of Attitude on won't be as familiar with that concept, because the "anything can happen" mentality forced what would have been PPV main events onto TV to pop that rating.


    And now, in the Reality/Corporate Era (and the previous 1 1/2 "eras"), the RAW main event being "better" than the PPV main event is much too frequent, IMO.

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  91. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    That is another issue: Why has no one gotten revenge on Stephanie? How come B-cup Bella hasn't challenged Stephanie to a match yet? We DON'T want to see it but they are setting this up as the answer to their problems and they haven't touched on it yet.

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  92. Someone ban this fucking joker, please? Two note trash, with one of the notes being something a little too personal does not make a good poster, not even in the troll variety.


    TL;DR : Fuck off, wanker.

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  93. I think it'll happen in due time, (un)fortunately, as it does kind of make sense.


    Or just have Bryan stunner the bitch.

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  94. I like how even the recent "WWE 50" book acknowledges Crockett getting the best of Vince on this day and how JCP really had far better wrestling that fans loved, it was the crappy business moves that kept them from being a serious threat to WWF

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  95. Was it the broad? I thought it was one of the idiot actors that called it a draw?

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  96. They seriously did that? Damn, that's quite an impressive admission.

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  97. Tremendous stuff. Definitely getting dusty here at the office. Connor looked to be loving each and every minute, same for his dad, who now has such nice memories to live with.

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  98. Also, on a sidenote, Homewreckers Inc would be a fucking AWESOME wrestling faction.

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  99. She let the other girl walk away. 3.5/10 for the satisfying THUNK.

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  100. Wait till he gets to Clash VI, Flair/Steamboat in the Superdome which they claimed had 25,000 fans but in realty barely a thousand tickets sold, they had to paper it to get up to 5000 and thus why 90 percent of the arena is blacked out on TV.

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  101. I'm not saying he's getting buried.


    I'm just saying it was a fucking terrible Raw for the Bryan character, and I think the longer bad acting Bella stands by his side, the worse it's gunna get.


    No matter WHAT you do, the people just don't like the Bellas. They're not likable, and not charasmatic enough to even be good heels.


    The girl's an anchor.


    And back to the point, i'm not saying the whole thing was a mirror image, but it's atleast similar, and if you're looking to draw comparisons to an angle, you do not want to be drawing them to Ryder/Kane/Eve.

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  102. VJ will just argue about it because he knows it is not the way a typical "smart mark" would prefer Bryan be booked. The life of an anti-smark. I bet he has a Cena head band on.

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  103. They sounded like 20,000.

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  104. Yeah, even quotes Arn Anderson on how "we didn't have the flash, we just went out to do the best for the fans" and such. A lot of fun confessions there, Bret and Backlund take shots on Hogan, they talk of the Brawl For All a disaster and they don't hold back on the failure of the ECW brand with Heyman saying "Why did December to Dismember fail? Because the show sucked." Hey, they even talk Benoit's death which I never thought they'd do.

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  105. Great job by all involved with that.

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  106. Oh, it was built up. It's just that Daniel Bryan did all the building.

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  107. The late Roode/Austin/Hardy/early Bully run was damned solid... yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it was working.

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  108. I'd take away points for a green Sting doing the same spots a few times during one match (although one could argue it into the story of the match), but it's excellent, and the finishing sequence is HOT.

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  109. Fuck Hell in the Cell until blood is allowed again. Cage matches without blood are pointless unless it is a stunt show like Angle - Benoit.

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  110. What a cute kid. So sad he got sick...

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  111. MyrtleBeachHappyHourMay 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Are any other MXE vs Fantastics matches as good as this one??? The spot with Cornette holding up the table is hilarious/brutal/awesome.

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  112. "The friend zone doesn't exist." -buckdiddy

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  113. Oh my fucking God, can you imagine Heyman's reaction when Cesaro cashes in on Brock......................


    "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD, NO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!"

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  114. As great as the Fantastics-MX, Luger & Windham - Tully & Arn, and Sting - Flair matches are, my favorite part of the show is Dr. Death's horrible promo. I love how he just didn't even bother to keep up with storylines so when Caudle asks him about Dusty's actions. He says, "Oh yeah, Dusty I support you in whatever you did" and then ends his promo by saying "Bye-bye" complete with the hand wave. Nothing more fearsome than a grown man challenging the World champ and acting as though he's speaking to an infant.

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  115. I think that's fair.


    I'd still also say that having Brie attached to you is still an anchor effect, and i'd still say running away/hiding from Kane is a bad move, but yeh, still..

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  116. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    Has she even been in a match yet? Is she booked that night? Why doesn't she stay home? Has Kane shown up on Total Divas?

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  117. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Thank you. I hate lack of blood in grudge matches.

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  118. I knew you would defend this. Face champions are suppose to stand and fight. Its a central tenet of professional wrestling.

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  119. His suit was something else too. With a suit like that, you just know he was inside a limo snorting $20,000 worth of coke before coming out to cut that promo.

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  120. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    I'm waiting for Rose to get knocked out by the Big Show so that he can be thrown out of the ring and bodysurfed to the back.

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  121. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    HBK, the Godfather, and Val Venis.

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  122. Or just have him lock Brie up in a room Macho Man style and leave Pat Patterson, Hacksaw Duggan, The Fink, Tony Atlas or someone else from Legends House to give it a cheap plug to watch the door while he wrestled Del Rio. Kane then beats the crap out of the old Legend and goes to get Brie and D-Bry has to run out to make the save. Also I want this feud to end with D-Bry finally figuring out he needs to remove Kane's mask. Then have Kane turn into JTTS Corporate Kane and get pinned right away.

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  123. At one point on commentary, I heard that if Flair vs. Sting ended early, there would be a standby match and that match was Larry Zbyszko vs. Shane Douglas for the Western States Heritage Title.
    So that's why Shane has hated Ric all these years! Ric killed Shane's only chance to win the prestigious Western States Heritage Title!

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  124. Ooh, can you imagine the pop when Cesaro cashes in on Lesnar? If done right, that could rival the Ziggler cash in.

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  125. With Sister Abigail, Afa and Brie on a pole.

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  126. Yeah he was definitely high and the suit helped cover up any coke dust.

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  127. Here's some food for thought. TNA are currently booking their parody of Daniel Bryan several times better than the genuine article.

    TNA!

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  128. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    She was talking shit but didn't even know where she was! LMAO...

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  129. "I'm coming hard, I'm feeling good and I'm as clean as I look"
    So either he's admitting he's high as a kite or he's serious and he's totally ignoring that he had just been arrested for possessing a shitload of cocaine and steroids a few weeks before this show.

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  130. Rewatching WMX before watching the newly posted RAWs....well mainly watching Bret/Owen and Razor/HBK

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  131. If he wasn't a damned obvious copy of Bryan (with Abyss likely to be his Kane soon...), it might be something cool. But it's WWE-lite, something they've never seemed to be able to completely shake ever since Panda and Dixie entered the picture.


    Yeah, Jarrett's NWA-TNA put some stinkers on. But at least they were somewhat DIFFERENT.

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  132. Fuck Russo. He'll draw that one 1.4, turn off half of the people watching, then blame everyone else on the planet, living or dead, for the 0.7s that follow.

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  133. HA Lawler saying the ladder weighs 80-100 lbs

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  134. Knuckleberry PinnMay 6, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Scott did you get any NWA programming at all on tv in Canada? Like most I got WCW nitro in 1997 and before the great TSN purchased I had to wait until Saturday to watch Raw on ITV

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  135. Barely 1000 sold for Flair vs. Steamboat?!

    And people rag on Bret and Shawn for being bad draws...

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  136. I think he means Austin and HHH.

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  137. Rumble spot next year, AFTER the party crowd saves Kofi somehow.

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  138. How odd is it that when I got home from work and saw Clash of the Champions was on the network, instead of watching one of the all time best shows ever (this show)....I immediately started watching Clash XIII? You know, the one with the Black Scorpion and Sid vs. The Nightstalker? I hadn't seen it since it originally aired and just wanted to see if it was as awful as when I was a kid. That show will probably be a great 2014 Scott Sez post.

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  139. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Dusty: "Now dat Ma'nun TA iz gon wheech bebeface am I gon' leech off of?"

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  140. I thought people from Washington were called Washers.

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  141. Could Zeb work as a face? Because if he popped up (maybe hiding front row?) and nailed Paul in the face to cut off that possible discussion/argument, I bet he'd get one beautiful pop.

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  142. Replace Afa with Tamina, and you have a match. No buy, but a match.

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  143. Well in their defense, they didn't exactly hype that match in the area. Not hyping it was exactly why it was such a bomb from both an attendance and ratings standpoint, people were led to believe that Lex Luger vs. Jack Victory was going to be the main event.
    Would you choose to watch Lex Luger vs. Jack Victory over Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage?

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  144. I hadn't seen that promo until last night, and I was shocked at how terrible it was.

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  145. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)May 6, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    When you look at Ric Flair THEN and see him now it hurts me to the very core of my being.

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  146. One thing to add -- airing this show opposite WM was actually payback for Vince pushing the NWA's first PPV event off of a ton of cable systems by hatching the Survivor Series on what was to this point the traditional day for Starrcade and threatening to withhold WrestleMania IV from cable companies that carried Starrcade over Survivor Series.

    THEN he did it again, airing the first Royal Rumble on free tv against the NWA's 2nd PPV, Bunkhouse Stampede.

    Kinda funny to think that two if the big four and COTC were created out of such nastiness.

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