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Highspots Shoot Interview with Barry Horowitz

I believe this was filmed in 2006

It runs at one hour and forty-seven minutes long






Barry is first asked about his amateur wrestling background. He started out when he was in junior high and said he got his ass beat but improved and ended up going to Florida St. for a year but said he did not do that well and wanted to be a professional wrestle and left after a year.


He said he became a fan of professional wrestling at 15 years old and said after watching that was what he wanted to do for a living.


After college, Barry trained under Boris Malenko. He said that he trained for a year and a half until he wrestled in his first match. He talks about how it was hard to break into the business because there were no schools and gave Boris $600.


When he trained, Barry said that he was taking bumps on mats for six weeks then after that, got to use a ring. He also said that he trained with both Dean and Joe Malenko. He said that he did a few months of shooting but most of the training was working. He also said the only other one of the twenty-five trainees to make it through the camp was Al Perez.


Barry said he had his first professional match took place in 1979. He also was asked about working in the WWWF for Vince McMahon Sr. Barry said he learned a lot from the veterans and said he just listened and did not talking, stating that is how you learn.


He is asked about the differences between Vince Sr. and his son. He said that Sr. was more old school and that Vince Jr. was more innovative.


The interview is back after Barry nearly choked on a B-12 tablet. His first match was against Frank Martinez, who went by “Dr. Death.” He talks about how he gave the guy an armdrag then applied an armbar when Martinez told him that he must have been trained by Malenko.


Barry talks about wrestling in small towns, primarily in bars, against Dean Malenko for a year then after that, Boris gave him a sheet of paper that had phone numbers of Stu Hart, Gorilla Monsoon, and for the Puerto Rico territory and eventually moved to New Jersey and called up Gorilla at the age of 21 and that was how he got invited to the television tapings.


He talks about the tapings and how he would work 3-4 matches a night. His first was against Angelo Mosca Sr. and his second was against Don Muraco. Barry was an enhancement talent for a year there and barely got in any offense. He remembers Gorilla saying how they already had a lot of superstars in the company.


After the WWWF, he went to work in Florida. He is asked about Lex Luger at that time. Barry said that he looked good but couldn’t really work. He also believes that Luger was in the business for just three weeks when he defeated Wahoo McDaniel for the Southern Title in a lumberjack match.


Barry is asked about being managed by Percy Pringle (Paul Bearer) as part of the “Pringle Dynasty” stable along with Len Denton, Rip Oliver, Rick Rude, and eventually Lex Luger.


He left Florida for Memphis and worked as “Stretcher” Jack Hart. He said that he was only there for about four months. Barry liked Jerry Jarrett and said that he did not speak much with Jerry Lawler but was not impressed by his work and thought he was full of himself. He puts over his punch but said he is into a more technical style of wrestling.


Barry then talks about how he wrestled as “Bret Hart” and thinks Michael Hayes gave him that name.


Now, Barry is asked about Vince’s National expansion. He said that he had a job and a contract at the time and was not worried. He said that when he was with the WWWF, he asked about getting bookings on house shows and they did not have room but they made a call and got him to work for Crockett.


He talks about breaking his neck for Vince Jr. in the early 1990’s and that when he healed and wanted to come back, Vince told him there was no room for him in the company as they brought in Black Bart, Pez Whatley, and Buddy Rose to fill his position so he went to WCW for a year.


Now, he is asked about working with some guys. He said that Terry Gibbs was his favorite partner and that he is now a supervisor for US Air in Pittsburgh. He said that Dynamite Kid was stiff in the ring but not trying to hurt you and that working with Davey Boy Smith was a night off in the ring.


Barry is now asked about the term “jobber.” He said that it is a shit name. He said that some guys deserve that name, like guys who do not hit the gym and can only take hip tosses. However, Barry said that he puts guys over as he can go in the ring a big guy or a technician and wrestle a long match. He also said that there has to be a guy that loses and that it hasn’t hurt his career one bit as he never wasted his money.


He is asked about Tom Magee and how he lost to Barry in one of his last matches in 1989. Barry does not recall that but said that he had a resume of all sorts of athletic accomplishments and was 6’5 270lbs. He also said how he was in the territory at the same time as the Ultimate Warrior and might have been better but Magee never panned out and said he was respectful and polite.


When asked about the Ultimate Warrior, Barry said that he doesn’t even want to bring him up and said that he was nice and humble at first but changed and hated working with him afterwards. He claims that the Warrior could never get over today as the fans want to see suplexes and highspots and not someone shake the ropes. Barry then tells a story about working with the Warrior at a TV taping when after the match, Warrior was in the locker room bitching to the Bulldogs about how Barry had worked in the business for 10 years and could not get up for a press slam. Barry says that he went up for him and had taken the move from guys like Hercules and Luger who were strong enough to pick him up without help.


His favorite wrestlers to work with were Tim Horner, Brad Armstrong, Chris Candido, Brady Boone, and Owen Hart. Barry said they were all the same size and could go out and have a good match and not just get themselves over. His least favorite were Chris Adams. The stiffest in the ring according to Barry were Swede Hanson and Stan Hansen.


Back to the WWF in the 1980’s, Barry is asked about the sex scandals. He said that he heard about it but never had seen anything happen. He puts over Pat Patterson for helping him with his career.


Barry talks about Owen Hart and how he wrestled Owen’s first match in the WWF. Barry said that Owen wanted to rehearse before the match and Barry said you could not do that in the WWF. Barry then said that Owen’s death should have never happened as he did not need to come down from the ceiling because he was a worker. Barry said that someone like the Ultimate Warrior needs a gimmick like that to cover up his work.


When asked about drugs, Barry said he never used anything and would catch shit from some of the boys for that but that he never traveled around anyone who used.


Barry is asked about working for Jim Herd in the NWA. He is asked about working with “The Juicer” Art Barr and said they had some good matches but did not hang out with him outside of the ring.


After leaving the WWF, he went to work for Global Wrestling for Joe Pedecino. He said that he came in on the tail end of the territory and was treated well and got his rent-a-car and hotel paid for. He said that he beat Jerry Lynn for the Light Heavyweight Title.


Now, Barry is asked about working as the Red Knight with Shawn Michaels for the Survivor Series. He said that Terry Taylor went home sick and they needed a replacement so they gave Barry the mask and told him not to do his mannerisms. Barry said that he suffered a concussion in that match as Bret kicked him in the head. He talks about working TV the next night and took a hiptoss from Mo (Men on a Mission) and remembered holding his head and got through the match then left to get an MRI.


Barry worked for All Japan. He said that Steve Williams was great and that Stan Hansen could be a bit scary in the ring to work with. He puts over Kenta Kobashi as a person and a worker.


On beating Skip (Chris Candido), Barry talks about the events leading up to the match. He said that he got to the arena in Jersey and Kevin Nash called him aside and told him that he was going over but Barry thought he was joking. After that, Patterson explained to Barry that they were going to put him over and said that he got to call his own finish. Barry said that Candido was a great guy but got mixed up with the wrong crowd and ended up becoming addicted to drugs. He said that one day he would be hyper and the next his eyes were rolling around.


When he teamed with Hakushi, Barry thought it was fun. He also traveled with him and tried to help him speak English. At that time, he traveled with him and Glen Jacobs (Kane).


Barry is asked about the Kliq and said that they never bothered him but ignored Scott Hall, saying he had a big mouth. He said that HHH is cocky but respectful in the ring. Barry said that he always got along with Kevin Nash.


On the subject of the tension between Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart, Barry said that he heard of it but never saw anything. Barry also said that he always prepared for his matches before hand and was not screwing around before the show and if he was on early, he would shower after the match then leave.


Barry signed a two-year contract with WCW in 1998. At first, he worked all three shows (Nitro, Thunder, Saturday Night) then he only worked on the Saturday Night shows but still got paid the same. One day, he did not get a phone call and still do this day was never told that he was released.


He is asked about the lucha libre style then talks about how they went too fast and it lost the crowd after a while. He also said that anyone could point out how some of the stuff was too choreographed and that it smartened up the fans. Barry said that he was not into the hardcore style and that you could see that for free at a bar.


Barry said that he was supposed to work a program with Alan Funk and they went as far as filming vignettes but Barry got released before it happened. He also said that Evan Karageis was a jabroni.


When asked about being a Jewish wrestler and if he had any difficulties because of that. Barry said he dealt with a few jokes but that was about all.


He talks about being on the road and how he watched his money. Barry said he only concerns were getting a motel, rent-a-car, and to a gym. He was not going to ring up $500 bar tabs as he did not drink to begin with. He talks about how Rick Martel, who he calls a great guy, always watched what he spent and has become a millionaire as a result. The interviewer pokes fun at Barry for being frugal and he responds by joking that he will stretch him out.


Barry is asked about TNA being a viable competitor to the WWE. He said that he wrote a letter to Jeff Jarrett in the infancy of TNA but was told that they did not need him. Barry felt disrespected by that and said that there are “jack-offs” like Vince Russo in charge and recalls back in WCW when he called Russo 20 times and never got a call back. He calls Russo a “mark” and said that in the WWF, Russo wrote and filmed his vignettes with Hakushi back in the WWF. Barry goes on a rant about Russo having Toby Keith come into TNA and suplex Jarrett, stating how it shows the fans that anyone could be a wrestler and likens it to him going up to Dan Marino or Michael Vick and telling them they could be a quarterback.


He also did not like the “Tough Enough” show as he said that the are drive around to practice and living in a million dollar show and was weak but admits that it was just done to compete with other reality shows and had run its course.


When asked if he feels that he is one of the most underrated wrestlers of all-time, Barry said that he is up there. He said that he was trained and had fans and even other wrestlers say that he should be getting a push. He recalls once in the WWF that Scott Steiner came up to him and questioned why Vince wasn’t doing anything with him. Barry said other guys that had talent and never got much of a chance were Reno Riggins and Al Perez, who he thinks left the WWF after refusing to job to the Ultimate Warrior. Barry also points out how he got pushes in other territories.


He is asked about working with Booker T and Stevie Ray in the GWF. Barry said that they both were very green and how Booker is a good guy and that he is a good worker today.


Barry tells a story about Mick Foley while in the NWA. He said that Ole Anderson was in charge and did not like gimmicks, especially Cactus Jack. Barry said that he saw Cactus backstage, who told Barry that he would not be here long because Ole did not like gimmicks and was fired within a few weeks. Barry said that Foley was even more frugal than he was on the road.


Back to the GWF, Barry talks about how the rings at the Sporatorium were drilled into the cement and were the stiffest rings in the world.


Barry is asked about working with the Handsome Stranger (Marcus Bagwell) in the GWF and said he was polite with him. He tells a story about how he put him in a bow-and-arrow lock and Bagwell told him to stop because he worked his legs at the gym that day. Barry then said that he would put the belt on Bagwell and that he had a great gimmick and was a good technical wrestler and what he calls a “wrestler’s body.”


When asked on who came up with the pat on the back, he said that he did in college after he beat a guy in the match and did it after he left the mat but ended up getting points deducted.


On the funniest rib that he ever saw, Barry tells a story about Mr. Fuji grabbed a turd from the toilet and chased the Barbarian around the locker room. Mr. Fuji is fucking crazy. He also tells a story of Ivan Putski falling asleep on the ring apron at the building in Hamburg, PA where they used to tape television and someone, he thinks it might have been Mr. Fuji, stuck tape on him and lit the bottom of it on fire and it eventually got to Putski’s foot as he woke up.


Barry is asked about someone shitting in his food. He tells a story about something that happened in 1996 or 1997 (Barry is probably wrong about the year) while at a television taping. Apparently, Davey Boy and Luger were pissed that there were no more egg whites and thought that Barry was to blame for the situation for some reason. After that, they would bring food with him for the next show and on the bus, Barry said that he could smell shit from one of the trays that he asked for and just put it in the trash and never put the rib over. He said that someone else put Luger’s boots into a sink filled with water after that. He then says that who cares about ribs as Luger went to jail and Davey is deceased while he is still alive and even after all of that, he doesn’t even know if they did that.


He is asked about some questions. His favorite territory was Florida. His favorite opponent was Owen Hart. He would like to wrestle Kurt Angle today.


Barry thinks that he might still be able to work today but now works as a nutritionist and focuses on that. He works for a small company that sells supplements, herbs, and homeopathic products. Barry also said that he went to school for that. He would have no problem speaking about the business or doing autograph seminars. He then talks about Pat Patterson once telling him that 70% of this business is in the locker room and 30% is in the ring.


They close with some name association:

Pat Patterson: good mind for the business

Vince Russo: “jerkoff mark”

Jim Ross: Thought he was a decent guy

Hulk Hogan: Great guy.

Vader: “no comment” then says he is in the same class as Bradshaw, meaning that he doesn’t even want to put them over by mentioning their names.

Vince McMahon Jr: Calls him a cutthroat businessman.

Junkyard Dog: Great guy and was very passive.

Percy Pringle: Good guy who likes to rib and goof around

Paul Heyman: Doesn’t care for him at all. He recalls a story of Paul coming to Florida with a guy named “Tombstone” who started by taking pictures. One day, he was traveling with Heyman, who was pissing him off, so Barry said that he slapped him. He said that Heyman never booked him when he was in ECW as a result.

Bobby Eaton: Says that he and Barry Darsow were the nicest guys in the business.

Jim Cornette: Did not trust him when he worked in the office for the WWF.


Barry closes by saying that he wants to close out his career on a good note and plugs his website before thanking his fans.


Final Thoughts: Well, Barry is certainly a guy who took pride in his work. He also took pride in the fact that he abstained from overspending, drinking, and drugs and as a result, saved the money he had earned in wrestling.


Although he seemed to not like a few guys, the only one who he really buried was the Ultimate Warrior. He knocked him on several occasions throughout the interview. He also made it known that he disliked Bradshaw and Vader but declined to talk about them, stating that he did not want to "get them over" by mentioning their names. He just left it as not liking them and not wanting to waste his time talking about them.


I thought this was a good interview. Barry not getting a push might have resulted in his abstaining from hanging out with the boys afterwards but he was on the smaller side at a time when bigger guys were getting pushed. Barry did not seem bitter about his career, although said that he wished he got pushed and made more money, but was content over the fact that he was able to save a good deal.


I recommend this interview. Some watching might think he comes off as being self-important and thinking he was a bigger deal than he really was but Barry actually took pride in the fact that he got people over. But yeah, I thought this was a decent shoot. 


Comments

  1. She was really funny on 30 Rock, too.

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  2. It's kind of weird how these dudes are so big, burly and tough...and then they slap each other.

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  3. I got the email.

    Still thinking of what to do on a few things but should send them tonight

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  4. Cornette had a toy gavel that sounded like breaking glass and tricked Lane into thinking someone had thrown a brick through their window.

    The Dennis Condrey blowjob one he mentioned on Austins podcast was the greatest.

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  5. YankeesHoganTripleHFanJuly 17, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    That's the greatest no sell of anything...ever.

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  6. Owen had a few legitimately clever pranks. My favourite was one where he faked a phone call to Ahmed Johnson from The Tonight Show wanting him as a guest prior to WM12. Ahmed gets a new suit and everything for the appearance, and waits in front of the hotel for ages waiting for "the car the studio will send to pick him up" until Owen finally shows up and reveals the joke.

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  7. I have her shoot

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  8. YankeesHoganTripleHFanJuly 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    There was a story of Owen Hart pulling a rib on Harley Race by ruining his chili during a BBQ with a bottle of hot sauce. Why one would want to rib Harley Race is beyond me because the next time Owen was in Kansas City, in order to get even, Harley, Umm...well...

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  9. Well, for '96 Raws it's more like "four times a night every month" :p

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  10. Well, back then, there was a pretty strong demarcation between heels and feces.

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  11. MikeyMike, WitnessJuly 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    Isn't she crazy?

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  12. CruelConnectionNumber2July 17, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Slutty valets or ECW drugs or both

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  13. Uncrusimatic_Buck_NastyJuly 17, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    who cares about what austin thinks, the real money is in what steve lombardi thinks!

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  14. Everyone seems to think so

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  15. MikeyMike, WitnessJuly 17, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    This was a fun shoot to read. Though his hatred of the word jobber when he's the epitome of a jobber is funny.

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  16. MikeyMike, WitnessJuly 17, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    90s stars

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  17. May I take my rightful flogging? I've never cared for this match. The heat is great (though, really, what did we expect?) but the match leaves me somewhat cold.


    I know I'm an outlier, but much of Austin vs. Bret/Foundation never did much for me, including the WM match.

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  18. I think his point is there's a difference between what he did and what "jobbers" did. Horowitz was a tremendously skilled wrestler, and that can't be denied by anyone watching his matches with an open mind. Jobbers are simply scrubs who never went anywhere in the business. Not saying we have to go by what "the boys" do, but there are lots of territorial-era wrestlers who use "jobber" to mean something specific, and not strictly guys who lost on TV.

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  19. Was he was implying that he framed Lex and murdered Davey? Now that is a way to pay back a rib.

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  20. AverageJoeEverymanJuly 17, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Im in agreement with the first point its **** at the absolute most, the second point about the WM match is insanity.

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  21. No. Just that kharma is a bitch.

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  22. One with lots of drugs. And poop.

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  23. I think the former is a specific rental company.

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  24. HowmuchdoesthisguyweighJuly 17, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    Just re-watched it a month ago... Definitely overrated from a work rate standpoint but crowd absolutely makes it. Austin was great in the post match stuff. This show cemented the double turn for good in my eyes. Yes it went into play at mania and with the hart foundation forming but when they were back in the USA, Bret Hart was super over as a heel.

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  25. Barry was the best jobber going when he was around. I loved his Unlikely Winner push, and it sucked that only a couple low-end guys ever jobbed to him, robbing him of potential credibility. He DID lack physique and charisma, though.

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  26. "it doesn't matter that the crowd is hot for this match, because they're Canadians nyaaah" - dumb Yanks

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  27. The main thing about this match is that after decades of "Holier than thou USA vs Evil evil other country", this was the very first time where there was a legit "other side of the coin". I bet lots of American fans were shocked that the Harts were actually liked on their home turf.

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  28. YankeesHoganTripleHFanJuly 17, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    Ah.

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  29. Who has said this ever?

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  30. If this isn't in your top ten matches of all time, well, i don't understand the criteria being used to formulate your list. The heat is unreal, the booking is perfect, the in ring work is top notch and the ending is awesome.

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  31. Not ***** like everyone claims, but still a great match with great atmosphere

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  32. Oh yeah as if Sean Waltman's the only wrestler who did drugs whilst shitting where wasn't supposed to.

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  33. Tag teams, any decade.

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  34. It was said a *lot* in the IWC during the late 90s. There was quite a bit of resentment over how hot (and contrarian) Canadian crowds were at the time.

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  35. Aww. Bummer. Not quite a national treasure, but damn sure a comedy legend.

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  36. Exactly. His point was that he got guys over while a "jobber" was an out of shape guy who could let do anything in the ring

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  37. That was a Knight, not a wrestler.

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  38. Yeah...even so, Handsome Stranger wasn't getting anywhere near the belt in Global. There were maybe 10 other guys I'd put the belt on before Bagwell there.

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  39. Or giving new meaning to "living the gimmick"...

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  40. Agreed. Just superb.

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  41. Fair. We all have our likes and dislikes. I didn't find how that particular match transcended that, though.

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  42. The ending is awesome? You mean the distraction/roll up finish in the main event of a PPV? That was the thing I hated most about it to be honest. Owen could at least have caught him with a missle dropkick or one of his other big moves while Austin was distracted/jawing with Bruce.

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  43. TJ: So I'm getting into an argument on the other wrestling forum I post at regarding Rusev and Lana and whether the gimmick should continue after today's tragedy. Personally I think that so long as they don't mention the Ukraine or the Malaysia flight they should continue with it. Besides, the characters are VILLAINS. It's not like Putin is being portrayed in a positive light.

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  44. I think you meant to say there was a strong defecation.

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  45. I just can't stand contrarian Canadians....


    *quietly sneaks out*

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  46. He is the master of putting shit in other wrestlers bags and getting fucked up while not being embarrassed to talk about it

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  47. I'm late on the news, I'm guessing it's official that the Russians shot it down?



    They would need to tread carefully, or Rusev could get Hassan'd.

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  48. Acclaim kept loaning them money because they needed an active company for the video game license (they lost the WWF one and WCW was dying).

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  49. I like the Reg Parks one on Stu Hart.

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  50. Most think it was the Russians. But all Lana does is say how great Putin is in a cartoony, over the top way. He's done plenty of reprehensible shit before this.

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  51. ultimately they paid and it went to Acclaim for their owed money.

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  52. The Hard Foundation was one of the greatest groups ever.

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  53. MikeyMike, WitnessJuly 17, 2014 at 3:49 PM

    I agree with you on this. I was being facetious with my previous post about it only be *** but I don't get why I NEED TO CONSIDER THIS ONE OF THE BEST MATCHES OF ALL TIME.
    It's not like it's Taker-Michaels at 25

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  54. the more realistic story is this:


    Heyman was looking for TV like crazy. USA turned him down after WWF left. Foxsports wanted a daily show and it would have been preempted like crazy for day baseball or whatever. There was supposedly an investor looking to buy it but with Heyman remaining in charge. However Heyman and ECW lacked solid financial documents to illustrate debt and revenue and Heyman blew off a meeting and kept putting them off. They dropped out. Probably for the best because the big issue that killed ECW was simply the cost of talent. Guys like RVD and Credible and Rhyno were still making (on paper since checks started getting behind) six figures. They actually offered Taz 300k a year to stay but he chose WWF at 200k a year because he doubted ECW's ability to pay. Regardless the cost of keeping the "big" names in ECW became way too high with their revenue due the crazy salary structures in WCW and WWF at the time. The buyrates never rose (they seemed to have a fixed audience), the TNN deal was a disaster, the weekly syndicated show cost them a ton (they paid large amounts to most stations including six figures to NY and Chicago), and house shows had to average 1700 just to break even, which is larger than the capacity at the ECW arena, so every show there was a money loser.


    It simply was an unsustainable business model. Oh and TNN also made them spend way more in production costs as well.

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  55. Yeah, I've always enjoyed the absolute inversion of the face/heel roles here.

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  56. "The building is shaking!" is one of Lawler's best calls.

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  57. I know. I don't know why people don't like the dude more, frankly.

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  58. SummerSlam SweatHogJuly 17, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    Yeah I agree. For having TEN dudes in the match, there wasn't one of the five on the Austin side who could take someone's finisher or something? Hawk? Goldust?


    Or, as you say, at least an impact move leading to Austin taking the pin

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  59. SummerSlam SweatHogJuly 17, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    It's a valid point. I think a LOT of "IWC darling" matches get the praise they do because of the crowd reactions. It's no doubt a contributing factor to enjoying the match, but a do wonder how many would pass the "mute test"

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  60. SummerSlam SweatHogJuly 17, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    I think it's a fair assessment. The workrate isn't off the charts or anything. It benefits a LOT from the hot crowd.

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  61. Yep, in hindsight, I understand Owen beating Austin, as it set up SummerSlam... but ANYTHING other than a rollup.

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  62. SummerSlam SweatHogJuly 17, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Which unfortunately ended in an even WORSE roll-up. For a reason, of course, but still a terrible looking ending.

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  63. The only thing I know about Barry Horowitz is that Action Bronson named a song after him.

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  64. Since watching his shoot interviews, I have really grown to like him. Comes off as a likable guy

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  65. haha glad I missed that. I was 13 at the time and loved to hate Bret, but was fully aware that if I was Canadian I would be going nuts cheering him in that role.

    I wish they still toured Canada like that. Those RAW crowds (Flag match in Halifax!) were incredible, and the only time you get crowds like that now are through smark "hijacking", not b/c people are so into whats going on in the show.

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  66. I've never been a fan of roll-up finishes, though they've always been really common in Bret Hart matches for some reason.

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  67. Plus, the PPV companies owned ECW nearly $3 million and wouldn't pay it to them until they got a new TV deal. Bad move on their part, since WCW ended up going down at the same time as ECW as Heyman says in his shoot, but that also played a role.


    I wish ECW would've ended up on USA for the sheer craziness of everything.

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  68. Decent worker; he was never Eddie Guerrero or Shawn Michaels, but a perfectly acceptable midcard babyface.

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  69. The New Jack/Sandman snorting-coke-while-driving story is a good one.

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  70. Well that was just creepy.

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