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You Still Do Brock Lesnar Questions,Right?

Scott,

With Brock,why is he so shielded and protected? I know that's a broad question,but in terms of match quality and how quickly the initial buzz/pop wears off after each return,is he worth the outlay?

For example,Brock returns and loses a hot match to Cena. OK. He then draws a big buyrate against HHH. Their two rematches sucked however,but one was a WrestleMania and one was a rushed B-show bout so no real spotlight,in terms if numbers, was shone on either.

His Punk bout at SummerSlam last year was a **** affair at least but the event flopped finacially. The Big Show angle stunk in every respect earlier this year, and the subsequent Taker stuff had historical value but the match itself was never going to be a classic.

Now,he's going to be champion in a few weeks,timed brilliantly to 'save' the Network, and then pretty much vanish with the belt. I still like Brock and his mystique a hell of a lot,but when the dust settles on this run will it be exposed as an expensive luxury?

​I wouldn't say the Big Show stuff stunk as such.  It was pointless as a storyline and the post-match beatdown was overdone, but it got him over as a giant-killing monster again​ at least.  

As for Brock's worth, he already justified the cost of his initial contract by adding extra buys to Extreme Rules, so anything on top of that was gravy.  Plus someone with his kind of star power really does add an extra rub to whatever show he's working on, whether or not he's putting over Cesaro at the time.  I'm not saying the money has been perfectly spent on him and that they didn't flush millions down the toilet by beating him in his first match and wasting three PPV slots on HHH, but it's hard to call him a flop either.  

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  1. Answer is simple. He is a lazy f*ck!! [/Baker]

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  2. Beating him right away will never make sense to me. Even if they didn't want Cena losing, just do a big "ermagerd the ref is making an X sign" type ref stoppage or something. You can get away with a schmozz or a ref stoppage if the match looks like a legit beating like that Extreme Rules match did. Then build to a re-match where there MUST be a winner. Re-establishes Brock as a legit ass-kicker and UFC elitist, doesn't beat Cena or Lesnar, and makes Cena look tough while giving him something to build back up to

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  3. People buy into Brock, that's why. He has mystique from not wrestling every week, which only two guys in the whole company (Undertaker and Brock) have. You'd think WWE would learn something from that.

    Although it would mean more if Brock never lost. Obviously we all think the first Cena win was BS humbling, and he won the Triple H feud anyway (he won the rubber match), so there really wasn't a reason for him to fight Triple H three times. In fact, it's still insane to me that WWE burned three of Brock's matches against Triple H when there were so many other options.

    As for the financials, while the Brock effect was negligible when it came to SummerSlam 2013, Extreme Rules 2012 and 2013 and SummerSlam 2012 saw significant increases and probably went a long way in paying for Lesnar's contract.

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  4. I would also add, in fairness to hhh, they add a couple awesome segments on raw before wrestlemania that actually made me excited for the match. Yeah they didn't live up to it but at least some of the raw stuff was cool.

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  5. "and HHH had to work a massive feud with him NO ONE wanted to see."

    Summerslam had a pretty big buyrate, and I doubt it was specifically due to Cena vs Punk vs Big Show. So saying that "NO ONE" wanted to see it is a bit absurd.

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  6. A DQ ending after he had gone crazy all over Cena's ass would have worked just fine.

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  7. MaffewOfBotchamaniaJuly 23, 2014 at 8:32 AM

    ''Why is Brock protected and shielded?''

    He isn't, we're protected and shielded from Brock.

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  8. Yeah but you're thinking logically. You need to look at this through Vince's eyes at the jilted lover. He proved wwe > ufc I guess.

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  9. I think you are right, I just don't understand the logic. If you are a "WWE Only" fan, then you are used to the worked environment of WWE. If you are a "UFC Guy" or a fan of both products, then you already know Brock is a legit ass-kicker crossing back over into a fake sport. The "shot" isn't going to sting UFC or UFC fans, so I'm not sure who Vince thought he was hurting. Damaging Lesnar only hurts WWE because Brock had just signed with Vince's company, not Dana's. It's weird

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  10. I think jobber123 meant that NO ONE wanted to see THREE HHH/Brock matches. WWE burned so many of Brock's dates on this endless feud with Triple H.

    The SummerSlam 2012 obviously delivered buyrate-wise, and while Extreme Rules 2013 did well too who knows how much more it could've been with Lesnar against a fresh opponent.

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  11. Right. It was a combination of "WWE > UFC" and punishing Lesnar for having the gall to leave and make millions of dollars elsewhere.

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  12. When you invest millions in something, you tend to want a return on your investment. It's quite simple.

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  13. That match and especially the finish KILLED the wrestlemania 29 crowd. Theres at least a half dozen guys on the roster who could have done more business with Brock than washed up hhh.

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  14. Exactly. I think they could have gotten away with an "extreme" ref stoppage. Do a stoppage that Cena doesn't want (because he's a tough guy and wants to finish the fight). He does an initial stretcher job, but hobbles back out for more, refusing a stoppage. He takes another beating and this time HHH or Vince or Big Johnny come out to force the stoppage (to preserve their "guy"), but Cena doesn't lose face because HE wanted to keep fighting to the death. Might have even made Cena look vulnerable.

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  15. The Love-Matic Grampa!July 23, 2014 at 8:37 AM

    It wasn't even losing to Cena that hurt, it's how they did it. If Cena catches Brock with a surprise roll-up but is too hurt to celebrate afterwards, it's a loss that actually helps Brock because he took Superman to the limit. Or even have a ref stoppage as suggested below, which gives Cena every motivation for a rematch ("I never quit!"). But Cena simply hitting his move after that brutal beating and then cutting a goofy promo afterwards was just...ugh.

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  16. Lesnar has an exciting "special attraction" mystique that the rest of the roster doesn't have, which is why he's so important to the product. He's like the 2010s version of the 1970s "bring Andre the Giant into the territory to boost ticket sales."

    I've always thought that WWE could do more with "special attraction" type of wrestlers to boost PPVs a few times a year, but then all the smarks bitch about "part-timers" clogging up the card.

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  17. I don't even mean the title defenses, the champ just being on the show will be rare, never mind wrestling. It's going to force them to present other things as main event importance.

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  18. I'll be incredibly honest, I am really looking forward to Brock-Cena at Summerslam.

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  19. I am perversely curious to know what would have happened if Brock faces Undertaker at 29, instead of 30. Does Taker go over if he's a year healthier? Does Brock end the Streak a year earlier?

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  20. MikeyMike, WitnessJuly 23, 2014 at 8:39 AM

    Yeah, looking back at it; fuck them wasting so many dates on a feud with another part timer

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  21. I think you are spot on. Undertaker proves the point. When he was expected to be an everyday guy, he was overshadowed by Austin, Rock, Mankind, HHH, et al. When he does "less is more", he's a legend with a mystique that can actually draw.

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  22. I still don't get why, from a kayfabe point of view, we get no explanation of his absence. He beats Taker, ends the streak... and the disappears for a few months. Why? Because he can? Because he's proved his point? We just don't know.

    If he's such the unstoppable monster he claims, why is he not on top the wwe all year round?

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  23. "Why? Because he can?"


    You just answered your own question.

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  24. Isn't the kayfabe explanation that he thinks he's above the wwe and just pops in when he wants to for the big money shows?

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  25. I'm with you. Even if he just came out and said "I do what the fuck I want" or "I'll fight when I feel like it". Instead he just disappears. Just have him say "I ended the Streak and there is no competition left in WWE"....then it's a big deal when he returns and regards someone as legit competition.


    "Finally, a man worth killing"

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  26. That works really well. I just wish they would have him say it

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  27. Isn't this most recent absence the only time they haven't really explained why he was gone? Other times, he "quit".

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  28. Yeah, doing one match as a "here's the one star he never faced" thing was fine. We just didn't need the re-matches

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  29. I guess I'm the only one that had zero problem with the post match promo. I just saw it as "I just beat Laurinaitis's chosen one, so he'll probably be pissed and will fire me tomorrow. So if that's the case, thanks for a wonderful run". And for those whining about how he should have done a stretcher job, WHY? It was his ARM that was worked on for 15 minutes. Why the hell couldn't he walk back?

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  30. Did he even sell the arm post match?

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  31. Because he should have sold the beating as if he couldn't even speak.

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  32. The raw where big Johnny made it Raw starring Brock Lesnar and he had his feet up on the table when he was signing the contract was glorious. I think that's on the network, I might have to watch some of it later?

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  33. Yep, he told his mom that he could still move his arm, or something. I remember he did. (and Rando, you speak with your mouth. not your arm.)

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  34. Interestingly, that was also the show that made Brock tell them he wanted Heyman to be his mouthpiece.

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  35. The promo was the stupidest thing Cenas ever done. It was bizarre and unprofessional. I'm his biggest fan on this blog I think and even I was pissed at that.

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  36. I kind of compare it to Rocky's speech after beating Drago. I mean if anyone should have been in no condition to speak, it was Rocky after that fight. It was like a "I just survived the biggest beating of my life, and I somehow made it, thank god" thing. It just didn't bother me.

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  37. That deal with Big Show looked like a waste, but it turned out to be really awesome. I wish it would've wrote Show out of the Universe altogether.

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  38. Slight Threadjack, re: Brock:
    - Were they really going to give away Lesnar-Austin as a KOTR qualifier? I've always been a bit skeptical about that. Why would Austin even be in the KOTR tournament?

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  39. Has he been back since?

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  40. They were spinning their wheels with Austin at that point, he had been marginalized quite a bit, and yes, the story has been confirmed by Austin.

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  41. I think he's due back soon.

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  42. The Love-Matic Grampa!July 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    If he cuts that promo after a match with someone like Miz or Lord Tensai, I'd see your point. But after all the hype about how unique and credible and dangerous Brock was, for Cena to basically shrug off the beating and cut that promo probably wasn't the best idea. Obviously Brock is still Brock and the world will keep spinning, but still.

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  43. He made some spot appearances, like getting thrown out by Cesaro at the WM Battle Royale, but hasn't done anything of importance.

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  44. It's possible, and I personally would have been fine with just 1 match also. But the 3 big buyrates (Remember it was the co main event of WM 29 that drew over 1 million buys with another match that "nobody wanted to see",). So I'm just saying that at least A FEW wanted to see it.

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  45. That's crazy. even if it's not going to headline Wrestlemania or anything, how do they not do that on PPV? Before Austin left, maybe "Unforgiven" could have made sense. First challenger after beating Rock for the belt. Then Austin at Unforgiven, then Taker at No Mercy.

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  46. Its weird how he'll just dissapear for like a year at time, and that even goes back to like 2000.

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  47. Andre battle royale at Wrestlemania

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  48. Ratings were going down a cliff at that time and I think Vince was panicking.

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  49. Undertaker is a perfect example. Every time he shows up (even if it's only for Mania) it's treated like a huge deal. During the Attitude Era he was usually #3, #4 or #5 from the top depending on who was injured at the time and who was being pushed. Part of that had to do with the endless shitty Undertaker feuds that we had to watch in the late 90s/early 2000s, but when he settled into the "special attraction" role it was gold. Plus, he improved his in-ring performances by lightening his schedule, which extended his career (and Mania paydays) by YEARS.

    I thought WWE would've tried the same '"special attraction" formula with Batista's return, but it was obviously botched six ways from Sunday for a variety of reasons.

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  50. Wow I forgot about that.

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  51. Yeah it is legit... as Chris said, Austin confirmed. Kevin Kelly also talked about it when we had him on to talk 2002.

    Austin was feuding with Eddie, so Brock was going to beat him in that qualifier. Austin's issue was with giving away that big money match on TV with zero promotion or build behind it.

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  52. But Cena didn't fucking SELL the beating, goddammit!!!

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  53. The Love-Matic Grampa!July 23, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    That's a perspective I've never heard before, and it's a valid one. I'm not sure I agree, but I see where you're coming from.

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  54. Yep, and let's remember that Show was injured going into the match. I think the Rumble match would have been all sort of awesome had he been healthy, but they had to rebook it at the last minute due to injury.

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  55. Right. I guess it's less "nobody wanted to see Lesnar/HHH 2 and 3" than "Fresh matches instead of Lesnar/HHH 2 and 3 could've drew better and would've probably been better quality matches"

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  56. It's incredibly stupid and I agree with Austin 100% on it. That match should have been money and they wanted to waste it on Raw.

    I don't agree with the walk out, but I can understand Austin's frustration.

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  57. I'll be interested to see if they bring up Cena/Lesnar from Extreme Rules in the build up to SummerSlam. Don't think they should.

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  58. Heyman says it all the time. Brock only shows up when there is a challenge he feels is worth conquering.

    He doesn't give a fuck about appearing on The Main Event and squashing Heath Slater.

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  59. Yep, while he could have handled it better, I definitely agree with him that it was stupid. Big potential buyrate, caliber'esque money left on the table.

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  60. Yeah, it wasn't so much that he didn't want to lose to Lesnar, but Austin thought WWE was bad from a storyline perspective and, though it's less pointed out, was a potentially big PPV bonus check that Austin saw being flushed away for a nothing match,

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  61. I hope they do. Basically "I got over-confident and you beat me by fluke. This time, no mercy".

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  62. As long as Cena doesn't say in his jokey voice "Hey, didn't I beat you already flattop?"

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  63. Austin has said on his podcast that one of his bigger regrets is not showing up to that Raw and talking to Vince about it.

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  64. That would be a paddlin'.

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  65. He did. Quite a bit. Even the following night.

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  66. That sounds a lot better. :)

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  67. Also that Cena-Brock match from Extreme Rules 2012 is something I have watched more than once my friend. I have watched it three times BAYBEE!

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  68. Austin and Vince have always had a good relationship. I'm sure if Austin sat Vince down and said "Vince, these fucking writers are going to waste a potentially huge-drawing PPV match on a seven minute RAW match," Vince, with dollar signs in his eyes (not tears, since this isn't Bret Hart), would go with Austin.

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  69. Yeah, I'm 100% with Austin on that. Doing the match on free TV is a bad idea. Doing it with NO promotion was an even worse idea.

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  70. Yeah, makes sense. That could have headlined Wrestlemania 19. Or any PPV at least

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  71. they need to bring it up for the fact that brock hadn't brought back heyman yet and wasn't following advice like he will now.

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  72. Agreed. That's a weird situation and I'm surprised a meeting like that never happened.

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  73. I bet Vince wishes it went that way too. Rock and Austin only worked a few more months total after this and the company still hasn't recovered from losing that much star power.

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  74. I don't care how expensive or cheap brock is. All I know is every segment he is in feels more real and like he could beat someone's ass at any moment. ALL HAIL BROCK! On a sidenote I love how brock has had 2 classics since his comeback with cena and punk, the most shocking match in history with undertaker, and the other three were ALL against triple h and no one cares about them. I love it

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  75. just watched it again this morning

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  76. The HHH feud is a testament to Levesque's immense arrogance and narcissism. That he sat down and thought seriously that people would be actively psyched to watch him - semi-retired and WAY past his prime - fight Lesnar, and thought people would care enough to stretch this out to THREE separate matches spread over many months - is not symptomatic of a healthy mind, or a mind particular aux fait with reality.

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  77. Yeah, I agree and they could have done something to kick off a feud to get the ball rolling.

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  78. Heck, that's a selling point for the Network: "Sign up for the WWE Network and you can watch Cena and Lesnar clash at Extreme Rules 2012 and Backlash 2003!!!"

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  79. In storyline terms, Austin had been told by Ric Flair that he had to win the KOTR tourney to get another shot at the title.


    In the empty fucking heads of whoever was writing the show at that point, the match was meant to pop ratings (which were tanking thoroughly), and the win was meant to be a shock victory that added yet more legitimacy to Lesnar's unprecedented rocket push in 2002.


    The sheer stupidity of giving away a potential major, major, MAJOR PPV bout for free on TV and have Brock go over in a fluke win served as the catalyst for Austin walking out. He was desperately unhappy with the way the product was being booked, and I can't say I blame him. 2002 was total AIDS - an empire in total disintegration, with no one having the slightest clue what they were doing. Title hotshotting, awful feuds and angles, HHH completely out of control and burying everyone.


    People often say they understand his reasons and support refusing to put Brock over in those circumstances, but oppose the walkout. To be honest, I have tons of respect for Austin for getting out whilst he could still walk, and with his self-respect intact. Admittedly it's not a good example for the locker room (and, indeed, perhaps unfair when so few on the roster are rich/prominent enough to afford to walk out), but there you go. To his credit, he's said on numerous occasions that not jobbing to Brock was the biggest mistake he ever made in the biz.

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  80. I've been very anti-"HHH bashing" since he did the right thing at Mania 30, but this is a good reminder that egomaniac HHH is always lurking around the corner.

    WWE invests millions in bringing in a HUGE name and Triple H uses it as an opportunity to put himself over the guy at the biggest show of the year. Sure, Lesnar got his win back at the next month's PPV... with 1/5th the audience.

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  81. Correction: Austin says the biggest mistake was walking out and not talking it over with Vince. He probably would've jobbed to Brock, just not on a throwaway TV match.

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  82. TBF, the Cena match was in all likelihood a test. To see if he (1) could still go and (2) would be willing to job and not just quit on the spot. How much of a disaster would it have been to put him over Cena at Extreme Rules and either of those two things not been true?

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  83. In the words of Iron Sheik, the Extreme Rules 2012 match was designed to make Lesnar humble.

    Just without the fucking of the ass.

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  84. what exactly was the point of the Cena mic time after the Extreme Rules match in 2012 after beating Brock? Never fully understood that

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  85. For additional reference, see Steiner, Scott.

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  86. Austin says it best in his book. "I'm Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm not the first in line for Brock Lesnar, I'm the last."

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  87. True, but the difference is Lesnar had a lot more to offer in the ring in 2012-2013 than Steiner did in 2002-2003. Steiner was a total loss cause, even if he was booked better.

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  88. HHH: The only guy in the world who sees HHH as a "Legend" on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan.

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  89. Yeah, probably a good idea to just ignore the past matches

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  90. Good stuff. Thanks for posting.


    I feel like they could have run Lesnar vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 19, if they had not beaten Brock already (with that Big Show title reign). If Brock beats everyone en route to Mania, with Austin as the LAST star remaining, then beats Austin....well, I guess Lesnar leaves in '04 anyway, so it's a moot point. But it's interesting to think about. If Brock goes through KOTR, Hogan, Rock, Taker, Show, and others en route to beating Austin at Mania....then Goldberg debuts the next night to challenge Lesnar?

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  91. This has been explained. He only shows up and signs up for things he decides are historic.

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  92. Yes. This has been explained n TV... and countless times on here... it doesn't seem to register with a lot of people for some reason.

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  93. I think it'd be fairly simple to bring it up while simultaneously selling this as a "different" Brock, especially for a mic-worker as talented as Heyman - Brock gave Cena the beating of a lifetime, but was also coming off an eight-year hiatus and made one mistake. Heyman could easily sell the upcoming match as "righting the wrong", especially now that Brock has been undefeated for a year and did the impossible in ending the Streak.

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  94. Austin's neck was so screwed up by that point that a match with Lesnar (who was less green but still kinda stiff) at WM19 would've been dangerous. It seems like Austin was only interested in working with a wrestler he absolutely trusted and felt comfortable with, i.e. the Rock.

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  95. If his matches with HHH did good business that proves people DID want to see them wrestle. And if the Summerslam match with Punk was a financial failure that would mean not as many people cared about that match. In all fairness you have to include the fact that the main event was booked poorly. That hurt buys.

    But the Punk/Brock match WAS booked really well. I just don't think Punk was ever a strong main stream draw. Interestingly enough Bryan actually turned out to be a much more relatable guy once they gave him the proper exposure. Though in defense of Punk I don't think the company ever showed him in the proper light as a face of the company to get that main stream exposure.

    Or maybe Punk was just too much of a standoffish jerk and people were turned off by all the tattoos and the holier than thou straight edge lifestyle.

    But back to the topic at hand. If the news is true that Raw got it's best rating in two months it's 100% because people wanted to see Brock. It sure as hell didn't have anything to do with Sunday's shitty PPV. That in itself proves his value.

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  96. Call me crazy, but I think it's ridiculous to draw the conclusion that they were leaving money on the table without knowing exactly what TYPE of match it was going to be.


    If it were a back-and-forth, twenty-minute affair with Brock winning cleanly, then, yeah, terrible idea. If it were only gonna go five minutes and ended with Eddie and/or Heyman interfering and causing a cheap win (maybe Brock wins by count-out or something), then it's no harm, no foul. It gives the heels a great "on the books" win that could be bragged about, and no "real" match or struggle was wasted.

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  97. I forget where I saw it, but a recent photo just popped up, and he looks to have lost a LOT of weight. Like, when he returned in February of '08.

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  98. Plus, realistically, Cena, Trips, and Taker are bigger names/draws than Punk and Bryan.

    "Summerslam, 2013" was a smark wet dream, but we shouldn't have been surprised that it drew less than the previous year.

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  99. Weren't the revised Summerslam 2013 numbers much better than initial ones?

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  100. Yeah, Austin/Brock would have been missing a lot of suspense for those who knew there was no way he was taking an F5. I think that's part of why Austin/Hall was so dull at WM 18--the Razor's Edge teases were absolutely worthless. Hall had to resort to finisher theft (giving Austin the Stunner) for teases because he couldn't use his main move. Not that that match was destined to be a classic anyway, but taking one guy's finisher out of the equation is a huge hindrance in building a match.

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  101. I thought Vince's infamous lines about Summerslam not drawing well were a bit premature. I seem to remember reading that the more precise and readjusted numbers showed 2013 drawing just as much as the year before.

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  102. I think Punk suffered from the conflicting ideas of wanting to be the #1 guy in the company, but without wanting to do all the things that the #1 guy is supposed to do. Like, not blasting the company you work for.

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  103. Plenty of people here talking about Cena's post match promo against Lesnar. Cena was either just given divorce papers or knew he was in danger of being divorced at that time. There was some speculation that he might take time off to sort through his personal shit. I believe he gave that promo while thinking there was a good chance he'd take time off.

    However, I think he thought just working his WWE schedule would get his mind off of things with the divorce happening. His absolute lack of time off after Extreme Rules made the promo look ridiculous in hindsight.

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  104. I didn't have a problem with the promo itself, especially if he thought he was leaving. But save that shit for the next night on Raw, and sell your fucking beating for five goddamn minutes.

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  105. If the numbers I'm looking at are right, the initial number for SummerSlam 2013 was 297k worldwide and were later adjusted to 332k worldwide. That's still less that SummerSlam 2012's 392k, but higher than 2011's 311k.

    Source: http://indeedwrestling.blogspo...

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  106. I remember hearing that, too, but I the buys were still down from the previous year - not as much as originally thought, but still down (around 300k vs. 360k).

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  107. Yeah, I just saw you post it above. All of those numbers seem very familiar. I most have transposed 2012's numbers somewhere along the way. So, 2013 did better than it's normally given credit for BUT, yes, did do less than 2012.

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  108. Disagree with you, Scott, about the recent Show feud getting Brock over as a "giant-killing monster again".

    Brock got beat-up and punked out at every turn leading up to the match, and then needed about a million chair-shots to get the job done. And it's not like Brock lacked credibility as a giant-killing monster in the first place.

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  109. Wikipedia still cites the 297k number, but I wouldn't put it past Triple H to edit Wikipedia to reflect the lower number to make him look that much better.

    I'm kidding, but on second thought this was the guy that reportedly didn't want Punk vs. Lesnar nominated for the "match of the year" Slammy Award because he didn't want to admit Punk had a better match with Lesnar than him.

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  110. That Big Show feud cracked me up for the simple fact of Show doing that ridiculous wind up for his punches. I was like "what a way to treat a UFC fighter!"


    By the way, if you've seen recent pictures of Big Show he looks to be in great shape. VERY slimmed down.

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  111. I'm sure the IWC is thrilled to hear that, I'm sure he'll be rewarded with a main event push.

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  112. Why have him face Cena in his first match back if you want to see if he can still go? Let him do the Goldberg thing and squash a few dudes. No need for them to just immediately blow a big match like that without testing Lesnar's commitment.

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  113. Complete with his own "YES! YES!" chants

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  114. Who cares if he wins and bolts? Cena would have buried him on Raw whenever it happened and moved on from it. Its not like the WWE would have been out anything.

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  115. Well....it is almost Survivor Series season and time for us to answer the question EVERYONE has been asking: Can Cena slam the Big Show?!?!?

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  116. they should have had an actual plan in place for Lesnar. His booking has been pretty terrible throughout.

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  117. Hey, the face of the company just got his ass kicked by some guy you're never going to see again! That will definitely help his credibility.

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  118. So you want a guy that has a contract for four matches a year to use them beating jobbers in three minutes? Brilliant!

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  119. Wasn't he also on a crapload of painkillers at the time as well - or at least "not in the right frame of mind/clear head"

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  120. So? It would be ignored like all of Cena's other losses and Maggle Cole would still be calling him the Greatest World Heavyweight Champion of the World Wide Wrestling Federation Champion of the the WWE Universe.

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  121. Vintage Dougie! Building momentum!

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  122. I don't know, what he said does make perfect sense.

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  123. Not once did Logan say Brock should beat jobbers.

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  124. Uncrusimatic_Buck_NastyJuly 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    lol, the "kayfabe" explanation

    as if

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  125. Vince feels the same way or storylines wouldn't be booked the way they are, nor HHH featured the way he has over the last 10+ years of videos.

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  126. Except the part, and I quote : "Let him do the Goldberg thing and squash a few dudes.".



    But yep, other than that, he never said it.

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  127. Squashing an uppercard face is not the same thing as having a PPV match against Zach Ryder. And I'm guessing Dougie (and you) knew thats not what Logan meant.

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  128. Beating uppercard guys is certainly not known as "doing the Goldberg thing".

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  129. The whole point to signing Lesnar was the big fight vibe. Lesnar squashing RVD, Ziggler and Swagger in three minutes isn't much of a big fight vibe.

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  130. Yeah, he mentions that too. But overall he says that it was wrong for him not to talk it out to find a solution. I don't think he had an issue with jobbing to Lesnar, just not in the way that was presented to him.

    And he was 100% right, just like he was 100% wrong in the way he went about it.

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  131. Vince is a weird guy.

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  132. YankeesHoganTripleHFanJuly 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    "He is the enemy. The enemy deserves no mercy. Right?" "RIGHT!" "Right?" "RIGHT!"

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  133. Some of the HHH stuff was a waste for sure, and having him lose to Cena in his first match, was pretty much one of the dumbest booking decisions ever. But let me present this. What if he wins the belt at Summer Slam, then because of the new subscriptions they want for the network, he defends the belt at Night of Champions and wins again. Then goes away with the belt for a while.

    They cold bring back a King of the Ring type tournament or something to crown a number one contender for Survivor Series or the Rumble. Or have HHH realize his mistake, and that the WWE title has been held hostage, and he has to rely on someone to try and gain it back for the company.

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  134. He should have just sold it like Brock killed him and taken time off. Easy.

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  135. Survivor Series tournament works for me

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  136. I would actually like to see Brock in a Hell in the Cell match in October. Brock/Cena is the only main event they have that is worthy of being in the cell.

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  137. You're probably right. In that scenario, I bet Cena gets his win back against Brock in the Cell, then Rollins cashes in.

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  138. Like someone said earlier, you think WAY too logically for this WWE outfit....

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  139. He's been doing dark matches, at least.

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  140. As far as we know...

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  141. To be fair, as the emailer mentions, the first HHH match drew really well.

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  142. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieJuly 24, 2014 at 2:44 AM

    And Big Show.

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