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Place to Be Podcast Episode 333: WWE 2003 w/ Kevin Kelly

In this episode of the Place to Be Podcast, Justin and Scott welcome back Kevin Kelly to discuss the first half of 2003 in WWE. The boys talk about Scott Steiner's WWE issues, Triple H's transgressions, Brock Lesnar's ascent, Hulk Hogan's return, The Rock's farewell, Goldberg's arrival, WrestleMania XIX's legacy, Kevin's WWE departure and much more.

Kevin also talks about some news out of Ring of Honor, including what is going on with ACH and Michael Elgin, the passing of Sean O'Haire and then announces the special guest for next week's Kevin Kelly Show.

So fire up this action-packed episode and join Scott, Justin and Kevin because it is time for another edition of the PTB Podcast!

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Comments

  1. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomerySeptember 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    I want to hear this, because 2003 nearly broke Scott's brain. I hope there's a reference to the HOT POKER UP THE ASS system.

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  2. It runs through early April, when KK got canned, so a heads up there.

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  3. Oddly enough, Disc One of Kelly's shoot interview will be posted tomorrow afternoon

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  4. Bound For Glory should be an amazing show.

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  5. I like thinking about Kevin Kelly getting released in April 2003...clearly he was part of the problem and one of the people they needed to get rid of.

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  6. They didn't sign the wrong one-legged wrestler did they?

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  7. I'll take your word over the entirety of the business that says different. What would they know anyway, I mean other than Shawn as an actual person in every day life over a period of decades, what do they know.

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  8. Guess you're not a Botchamania fan?

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  9. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 New International Version (NIV)

    "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you."

    MUCH better! FEEL the LOVE!

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  10. I think he was juicing in the AWA and lost most of that muscle around the Rockers second run in the WWF.

    http://ecwfrenchtribute.free.fr/HTLM/Photos/M/Marty_Jannetty/The_Rockers_Awa_03.jpg

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  11. Count me as one of the people that thought Shawn's injury was fake at the time. I thought it was a ploy to get out of his contract and join WCW. We're all talking hindsight here, but this is a business built on lies and Shawn was the same guy that "lost his smile" a few years earlier. His credibility was shot in my opinion.

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  12. Virgil's Gimmick TableSeptember 10, 2014 at 11:06 PM

    I swear that 97 Raw is unappreciated anywhere else but here. I was reading the Observer awards and runners up and Nitro that year had more votes than Raw. This is the only place that sees Raw that year as awesome as it really was.

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  13. Yeah those baggy tights were so stupid.

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  14. Eddie could be considered but his run on top was so short it's hard to say.

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  15. Whoa, Sean O'Haire dead at 43. RIP.

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  16. His suicide was his only success in recent years.

    Unless it wasn't a suicide, and the Benoit killer is at it again.

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  17. Dustin Harris is on the case.

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  18. Yeah I think I mentioned it on here before but WM8 is a prime example of this (one for Maffew here). HBK shows up clearly high as a kite on coke and walks to the centre of the ring, Tito just looks at him with disgust and tells him he's got blood on his nose, Shawn walks off acting all cocky as he wipes it off.

    It's one of those 'blink and you'll miss it' moments that shows what a douche he was back then. Biggest show of the year, opening match, beginning of a big singles push and decides to show up coked out of his face.

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  19. Why was sid vs hbk changed from summer slam to raw that year? Ratings ploy?

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  20. 1997 Raw is the wrestling equivalent of The Wire.

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  21. Jericho was never really a top guy though. He's had runs at the top, but I think he's spent much more of his career in the midcard.

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  22. Wasn't Eddie's brief WWE title run pretty good for SD financially? I remember reading in the WON or somewhere a decade ago that ratings and house show attendance went up after he won the title from Brock.

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  23. The formation of the Hart Foundation was close to perfect.

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  24. Few wrestlers can boast of as big a chasm between trying and not trying as Mike Rotunda.

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  25. YOU MONSTER!

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  26. STAY TUNED FOR ROBIN HOOD!

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  27. IRS was awesome. Didn't matter if he was in the ring with Bret or Kamala, he'd still work that ** match with you either way.

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  28. I just watched the Triple H Documentary on Netflix and I'm glad they acknowledged how dumb that stipulation was for his match at WrestleMania 25 with Orton. Building such an intense angle and then not letting them cut loose.


    Also was glad he acknowledged how much of a letdown that match was. And while he did mention Shawn/Taker stealing the show, I also like how Triple H owned it and said even with all that the match should have been better. DAMN that match is so disappointing to this day. Trips was on a great run, Orton was red hot, their angle was great but the match just didn't deliver. So I like how they actually talked about that. You can see Triple H visibly pissed as he walks through the curtain at Gorilla.

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  29. One thing about Shawn today is that he's pretty up front over what an asshole he was in the '90's, can respect him a bit more now rather than, say, Hogan or Flair continuing to deny pulling the exact same shit.

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  30. I sometimes trip out that Bray Wyatt's dad was a slightly more charismatic Tony Garea.

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  31. HHH has a weird groove going where he's most likely to steal the show at WM if he's not in the main event spot.

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  32. I cannot fathom why they decided to book Orton and Trips into a "Triple H can lose the title on countout or DQ" style a match.


    His best WrestleMania performances have definitely come outside the main event(minus Cena at 22 which is great)

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  33. Which shows hasn't he seen? I'm not sure where the gaps are in his viewing.

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  34. Virgil's Gimmick TableSeptember 11, 2014 at 12:56 AM

    Nah man. Shampoo cleans the hair. It's the conditioner that leaves it silky and smooth.

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  35. Sounds like the wrestling version of Leroy Hoard.

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  36. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieSeptember 11, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    WWE I think from like 2007-2010 or around that

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  37. Nowadays Shawn would've been fired for grabbing IRS by the tie and choking him. IRS is the sweatiest dude ever.

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  38. I remember a rather excellent Smackdown match between Mysterio an Undertaker where Rey kept on doing his tricky momentum stuff to keep Undertaker off balance, there were some decent near-falls in there until Taker managed to grab him and piledrive him straight to the underworld.


    Mysterio was dominant for most of the match because Taker just couldn't land anything, but as soon as he did Rey was dead. But then again, Taker and Mysterio are quite good workers.

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  39. He's got a bicycle!

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  40. I'd take most of his other Bret and Shawn matches over that Taker match, but it's definitely an underrated one. He had a good throwaway match with Razor at some point, too, and of course there's that Action Zone tag match where he breaks out a diving spinning lariat and smirks to himself.

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  41. Difference is Bret had Shawn lighting up the undercard beneath him, whereas Bret went on vacation after dropping the belt to Shawn, so from a workrate perspective basically every show from then on was Shawn, maybe Owen, and NOBODY ELSE. Huge, huge difference. People are less inclined to sit through 2-3 hours of shit if there's only one bright spot than if there are two or three.


    Also, Yoko aside, Bret on top got to feud with Shawn, Razor, Taker, Diesel, Backlund, Owen, and Flair. Shawn on top got to feud with Vader, kinda Bret, Diesel… and, uh, Sid and Bulldog? He had that awesome Foley match that got no build, but really Bret had a lot more good workers to play with in his run than Shawn did in '96.

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  42. The goggles: They do nothing!

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  43. And with tears in his eyes.....

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  44. A Waylon Mercy killing

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  45. Virgil's Gimmick TableSeptember 11, 2014 at 3:21 AM

    They realized that SummerSlam was looking kind of shitty on paper so they decided that Shawn vs Razor II would give people an incentive to buy it. That match gets all the credit but I think that card was pretty good in general considering the shit streak the entire company was ion.

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  46. I agree, Diesel vs Bret might be a better technical match, but Good Friends Better Enemies is booked Pat Patterson style, with perfect pacing and more entertaining

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  47. That's completely fair enough, of course. I wasn't really watching week to week at the time, but from memory he just kinda disappeared after Mania without much explanation (beyond being injured), and then JR etc. continually talked up his CAREER ENDING INJURY when he returned to TV as Commissioner, in that repetitive way they do when they're desperately trying to get a concept over (think WWE Network, think Twitter, think Big Show's unbelievable size etc.).


    The waters were muddied a bit, of course, by Shawn using Byte This and various wrestling mags to promote his impending return ('it's a matter of when, not if') from 1999 until his actual return.

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  48. You're erecting a straw man here - I don't think anyone (apart from the bizarre fg76 below) thinks Shawn is a saint, or recovered thanks to the power of Christ, or didn't have a serious drug problem, or whatever.


    I'll stand by the fact that the bump Shawn took off that coffin looks fucking revolting and easily potentially career ending - and the spinal fusion surgery (maybe that's an elaborate fraud to your mind?) he had to be subjected to in order to recover.

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  49. Shawn's responsible for a lot of that. You can imagine Shawnn pilled out of his mind on the phone to some dweeb from Lordsofpain, saying he's coming back very soon.


    "Just make sure you use the term 'friends of the Heartbreak Kid', alright?"

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  50. Also anyone else notice in the Good Friends Better Enemies match , they borrow the bit from Halloween II where Nash (Michael Meyers) loses his vision and he blindly swings around

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  51. That's an awful way to think.

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  52. Sure. Not necessarily an indictment against him. Maybe would have changed in the second part pf his career given how over he was.

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  53. Thanks for seeing things my way. Appreciate it.

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  54. This is one of those things that just clutter up the main page. There is no substance o it; it is nothing more than an ads for a podcast.

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  55. I truly can't think of any Wrestlemanias where HHH has stolen the show.

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  56. Perfect, get Rikishi to play him. He's Samoan. That's close enough to Somalian for the rubes!

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  57. "If you need 1 yard, I can get you 3. If you need 5 yards, I can get you 3"

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  58. He would be perfect in TNA.


    Lots of 'X Division marks the spot' jokes basically.

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  59. And of course at SurSer the next year, Sid got a pop for his 1st world title that was arguably as big as the one that Shawn got at Wrestlemania.


    Good match-up, just not the right time for it.

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  60. Scott, you never mentioned the difference that Fatu made! I like how he was rocking the Cross Colors that everyone stopped wearing in 92. Guess they couldn't find any Karl Kani jeans for him.

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  61. Or a troubled illiterate with a childhood hatred for Bucky O'Hare!

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  62. From the final pre-WM Raws of 96, through to the same pre-WM Raw of 98, it's my favourite period in wrestling and specifically the WWF, ever.

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  63. Are you talking about Lawler? I think he was phenomenal in his first few years in the WWF.


    It's actually pretty much when he and JR become the standard announce team that I think both he and the product itself, goes down a bit.


    But up until then, if I ever watched it during the New Generation era, it was as much for Lawler as it was for, *sttrreeettttttccchhhhhhh yawwwwwwnnnn* Bret-and-Shawn. Also, Adam Bomb. And Sid.

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  64. Since he was more talented than Bret, I guess that makes sense.

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  65. never noticed. now I have to go find it

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  66. "Yep Mode" ABeyAnce1©September 11, 2014 at 5:32 AM

    "I'm in the minority but I actually like the Menagerie." You're not alone, I'm a fan as well.

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  67. Is that episode on the network? If not, would they put fifteen minutes of "FOOTAGE NOT FOUND" between the action to sell that it's an hour long match?

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  68. Speaking as someone who knows folks who have had spinal fusion....you typically aren't the same after it. Usually you can never be like you were before. This is what is amazing about Shawn's return. Regardless of when he could actually return, the fact that he actually did is, as Vince would say, UN-BEE-LIEVABLE.

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  69. I'm guessing the way you said this was to get someone riled up. However, it's not going to be me because I happen to agree with you. :)

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  70. LOVE that bit. It's like two cowboys drawing their guns.

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  71. I kinda like how how he's more or less been a heel for the past year, even though he's just a retired on-screen personality.

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  72. Back in the late 80's/early 90's, when a wrestler transitioned into powder blue gear, they were on their way out the door.

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  73. Yep, that was so weird. No storyline motivations at all, just "The fans don't wanna see Shawn vs Sid, so we'll give them another ladder match". That was kind of unheard of at the time.

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  74. The casket bump is one of the spots that doesn't look like much in real time, but if you look at the slow motion replay you can easily tell how brutal it is. His lower back folded like an accordion when he hit the edge of that thing.

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  75. None of those sites actually had sources. They're "sources" were the 3 or 4 guys who have always had sources.

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  76. I really wanted to see him back as a heel myself. I was livid when he didn't stay heel after the Hogan match at SummerSlam.

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  77. The version I always heard was HHH still losing because Shawn screws him over to start a feud between them, with HHH turning face.

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  78. I nearly spit out my coffee!

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  79. CruelConnectionNumber2September 11, 2014 at 6:00 AM

    "They've got us out here killin each other! For what? Nobody glorifies violence more than the Americans." PRINT MONEY.

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  80. I'm sure he'll do one once he hears about it in about five years.

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  81. Fans: "BOOO!!! USA USA USA!! BOOOOO!!"

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  82. CruelConnectionNumber2September 11, 2014 at 6:02 AM

    SHAWN BEATS THE BIG GUY WITH THREE SUPERKICKS.

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  83. Speaking of which, which PPVs had the infamous Hot Poker Up the Ass and Shane Pays Me to Shut Up ratings, respectively?

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  84. Sid was bizzarely over when he returned the following year. He was absolutely dead by the time 1995 ended, but when he came back the fans went crazy. Weird.

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  85. Simply cause he was booked to look dominant and win matches. It's really that simple. He was booked as an absolute loser in 1995.

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  86. The only thing I currently have faith in is that you will make stupid comments.

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  87. In his defense, layers will do that to anyone.

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  88. How stupid did Nash seem when he said that? Yikes. I was 16, didn't care about anything, and even I rolled my eyes at that.

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  89. No we shouldn't CALL it a comeback cause he's been there for years

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  90. Go easy Dougie I changed my answer lol.

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  91. I'm still angry they didn't push Wallstreet harder.

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  92. I ran into a guy who claimed to have partied with him and treated the back injury as if it was a joke in 1998. Then again he may have been high at the time and bs'ing the story.

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  93. Everyone was doing drugs and ended up dead?

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  94. I filled in a bit here and there on the Network, but yes, most of 2006-2012 is a total blur for me and I pretty much just did Rumble-Mania and whatever DVDs I got sent for review.

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  95. "Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit?"

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  96. Well . . . . . . . . . Hawk.

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  97. Wasn't his match with DB the best one this year? It was the opener.

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  98. All 3 of his Taker matches were very enjoyable too. (Yes, even WM 27. )

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  99. Oh I really really like the WM27 match, I just hear a lot of bitching about it. Really the only other above average thing about the show was the stage which was B E A utiful.

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  100. Agreed. 10 year old me thought Sid was the lamest doofus ever in 1995. 11 year old me thought he was a huge bad-ass that would beat the piss out of anyone if he felt like it, when he came back in 1996.

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  101. Too much selling!! They should have just popped back up 5 seconds after every big move, and done hurricaranas and shooting star presses!

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  102. You mean you'd rather see that than Eric Bischoff the entire NWO prance around in the ring and do JACK SHIT FOR LIKE THREE MONTHS while Sting philosophizes in the rafters for way to long and looks like a dork when he finally comes back?


    ;-)

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  103. The Podcasts are awesome. HUSH.

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  104. Sad that this is going to be the last Kevin Kelly WWF/WWE review. Probably my favorite thing to listen to.

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  105. So are Snitsky and the last ECW champ still around? I miss Snitsky already.

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  106. MINUS. FIVE. STARS.

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  107. Yeah we were brainstorming some ideas last night how to keep him involved. May do some old school NWA/WCW reviews with him or something along those lines.

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  108. It's better than the brown tights/dress shirt combo he wore in his debut :-|

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  109. John 8: 1-11 NKJV:

    But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
    Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
    So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “ He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest



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  110. even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “ Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
    She said, “No one, Lord.”
    And Jesus said to her, “ Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

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  111. http://youtu.be/0ylFgewaFcM

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  112. So do you believe something can be created out of nothing?

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  113. So The Bible only works if you cherry pick what you want from it. Got it!

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  114. Vacuum fluctuations and virtual particles prove that they can.


    Besides which, by your own question, who created god? If something can't come from nothing, who created god?


    If you say god is infinite and always was, then you have stopped a logical discussion dead.


    And that's all from me. Peace.

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  115. That would be awesome. I like that he was actually working for the WWF/E at the time but he also seems to have common sense when it comes to basic wrestling booking.

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  116. I'm going to start calling you "Mr. Exaggeration". Sounds fitting.

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  117. Yes, cause people on here NEVER over-exagerrate their complaints! The sky NEVER falls!

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  118. "Is" doesn't mean "always was". Shawn has clearly cleaned up his act from the 90s to today -- how much of that credit goes to Whisper and how much to God is up to you to decide. He's better now than he was, and that's what matters.

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  119. Not as much as you over-exaggerate their over-exaggerations.

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  120. Funny enough....this is exactly Vince's reasoning when he created "The Sultan" character for....you guessed it....Rikishi!

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  121. So, go to their website regularly and you'll see advertisements for them there. This article serves no purpose, really doesn't drum up discussion and just exists for the sole purpose of getting these people hits.

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  122. I don't think I've ever seen a comment from you that wasn't just blatantly antagonizing somebody. Take that shit to 411Mania.

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  123. Ehh... I found that match overrated by Bryan fanboys and HHH apologists. Either way "Maybe the best possibly overall" isn't what I would call "stealing the show".


    Brock beating Taker's streak, that's stealing the show.


    WM27, I'd say Cody v Rey was the better match. The Rock arguably stole the show.

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  124. As co-managed by Iron Sheik, who is used to proudly represent any and all countries in the Middle-East and Africa. In 2022 when the football World Cup is held in Qatar, expect the Sheik to be rolled out as his manager.

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  125. Actually kind sir, you must not keep up with your reading of the comments. If me stating my disdain of pointless main page advertisements is your idea of inflammatory, you shouldn't work for Merriam Webster.

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  126. Right.

    If Brett had been trying to draw against the NO, would his drawing a ability have been any better then Shawn's.

    It's a hypothetical we can't conclusively answer

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  127. Pretty sure the Shane Pays show was Backlash 2004. I think the Hot Pokers made it into a few shows.
    Looking at those two sentences together is somewhat disturbing ;)

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  128. Jesus Christ.

    I didn't take a single shot at religion, or people's right to believe--but you want to take a shot, fine.

    Just because YOU don't understand something (in this case, the big bang theory, which contrary to your belief is much more complex then something from nothing) doesn't mean it isn't true. It's God in the gaps. Anything YOU can't personally explain is automatically attributed to the super natural despite zero evidence suggesting that any "God" is responsible.

    Then, putting aside questions of Science,I have ethical issues with accepting the Christian God. He is all powerful, yet tragedy strikes our lives all the time--regardless of belief in him--meaning he other doesn't care or our suffering is "part of the plan"

    That's some next level super villain stuff.

    Then there is the issue of well over 1000 deities having existed throughout history. You're nearly as atheistic as me, you don't believe in almost all the same gods I don't believe in!

    All of the people before Christianity arose were just wrong? Did they go to hell. I mean that'd

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  129. Nah they've been gone for over a month now. They were just there for the Dixie stuff.

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  130. In what exactly...

    I don't believe there is a god as there is no conclusive evidence


    Show me some actual proof, and I will hap illy convert. I don't even say "there is no god"
    I say there is not, presently, a reason to believe in one.

    So the opposite of faith. Faith, is by its nature, a worthless argument in a rational setting.

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  131. That video is awesome

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  132. If you're the same way in real life as on the "net", then that's because they don't want a scene, and most people don't see the point of an argument neither side can win.

    Doesn't mean they aren't thinking nasty thoughts about you.

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  133. They basically explained it as Gorilla Monsoon being this real "fan friendly" president who was doing zany things and thought this would be neat, like booking HBK/Diesel vs Owen/Yoko for all the titles, etc. But the standard reason was they thought Sid/HBK would stink so went with the ladder match instead even though it was face/face

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  134. Also good points, nothing happens in a vacuum

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  135. Cough* Brock vs Bryan cough* cough*

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  136. I don't know, watching it live it looked pretty brutal. Maybe not career ending, but Shawn's lower back fucking snaps off the sharp edge of the casket (a fairly solid object) at some pace. Maybe it's because I've always had problems with my back, and I'm painfully aware of just how potentially susceptible they are to major damage from the most minor incidents, but I winced at that. Given how fucked he was, it's amazing he even made it to Mania that year, much less put on a decent match with Austin. Maybe, for once, the drugs actually helped him.

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  137. "Shawn was operating on such a high level as a worker that he was able to
    make it look like he was putting Diesel over, when in fact he was
    putting himself over."

    I don't buy it. because if that was the case then fans like us would certainly not be able to recognize this (as opposed to guys like Jerry Lawler and all the (retired) wrestlers working as agents at the time).

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  138. I'm always surprised more people didn't rough Shawn up more in those days. Besides Vader, who else did anything to him (in the ring)? He knew his running buddy Nash wasn't going to do anything and he was too smart to screw with Taker.

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  139. I'd never seen the footage before.

    I thought he was literally gonna try and double flip out of a German.

    Still gruesome.

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  140. And Jesus I just watched the Tax one what the fuck were they thinking!?

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  141. the Rumble match with Hart is great as well. I am almost sure that if it had a decisive winner it would still be talked about (a lot more often) as some sort of forgotten classic.

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  142. He was sweating like mad in just short tights, too.

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  143. My mom nearly died of the flu this past year, in her forties.

    People rely on herd immunity, get all your shots

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  144. #2 spot: Austin coming back from the neck injury, becoming arguably the most popular worker of all time and in the process completely alters the way the WWF's main events were booked.

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  145. Now I have visions of Sheikey Baby at the World Cup.
    "Go after dat Ronaldo pansy, ya jabronie. Humble him!"

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  146. I still loved it (and the whole "fan friendly" president idea, too - also resulting in the "wildcard match" at Survivor Series).

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  147. Nah, Titans. Can appreciate honesty from a short yardage specialist, though.

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  148. uhm... who doesn't like The Wire?


    it's actually more over- than underrated.

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  149. I had never actually seen IRS wrestle before, he wore the outfit in his promotional pics so I assumed it was just his entrance attire like Ted DiBiase's flashy suit.


    IRS, Ivory when she wore that massive skirt, any guy who wrestles in jeans. Those are not functional wrestling attire.

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  150. my wife had a spinal fusion and she can't even ride most amusement park rides anymore much less wrestle a match.

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  151. flame wars on this board sure can be

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  152. I'm sorry to hear that.

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  153. thanks. as I mentioned in another thread discussing Kurt Angle going back to WWE she got hit by a drunk driver years ago. It was 98, the year before we met. Had problems ever since and eventually had to have the surgery. It's why I both marvel at Shawnn and also have some lingering doubts (mostly because I think he was/is a massive dick and I'm not a big fan of organized religion, particularly the conservative, homophobic church he is a member of)

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  154. Right there with you on the religion bit.

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  155. That's a big reason why the first Hell in a Cell is so great...

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  156. "Cross eyed Hillbilly Jesus" - OH MY LORD he could be Bray Wyatt's God

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  157. Flu shots give you the flu. The flu used to be a natural form of sickness until these genetic engineers decided to play god and give people flu shots. If propel want to take them fine -- but I'm not going to take a shot that make me sick. I rather get sick without it.

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  158. No. It means Christ came and the law no longer applies. Or I should say people took advantage of what the law was meant to do. People still take advantage of the law -- that is why false religions like Islam, Mormonism, and Jehovah Witnesses' exist. Not to mention mainline churches that have laws, but don't have Christ. This even includes probably the majority of the Catholic Church - they pretend to know God but there hearts are far from Him. But our hearts are only far from Him because we want to be like Satan - who wanted to be like God.

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  159. There is plenty of social scientific evidence. I'm currently taking a online course presented by Dr. Gary Habermas and there are plenty of scientific evidence that naturalism is not how this world was created. Some people want God to knock on their door and flat out say hello, I'm God - and even then the atheist will find an excuse not to believe.

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  160. So the most TNA thing they could do is have Eric Young turn heel on his 'best friend' and cost Roode the match at Bound For Glory. So, this is probably happening.

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  161. Triple H-Booker T actually made me furious watching it live. The build was awesome with him eliminating The Rock in the battle royal and HHH doing the racism stuff ... perfect way to build a babyface. The payoff would have been awesome even if Book only gets a one or two month reign. Who cares. So dumb.

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  162. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomerySeptember 11, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    I still loathe it to this day. I don't know what the purpose was if HHH going full racist and winning at Mania , but that in a nutshell is why 2003 WWE can piss off

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  163. As much as I like Roode, I'm just not buying him as a babyface, let alone a No. 1 babyface. Maybe it's because he's not really acting any differently than he did as a heel; maybe it's that his music just screams arrogant heel; maybe I just can't disassociate the name "Roode" or "Rude" from heel behavior. I just don't think he's THAT guy to knock off Lashley, who is putting together a great monster heel run as champ. I say they keep the belt on Lashley for now and through BFG, then figure out the next big babyface to get a shot at him. Probably should be Samoa Joe.

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  164. i know you're past a lot of the stuff but maybe he could join in some vintage vault shows from his time there, going through some of the ppvs more detailed. like didn't you do a special one with him just for survivor series 1997?

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  165. Yeah, we definitely want to do something similar. He has never been on a vault, but when we did 1997 we spent a ton of time on Montreal, so maybe that is what you are thinking of.

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  166. I for one appreciate seeing these posts so I know when a PTBN podcast pops up. Was excited to see this post as I have been looking forward to 2003 Kevin Kelly for a while.

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  167. These retrospectives with Kevin are the best. It's a shame he wasn't able to work there longer so this series could continue.

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