Monday, September 1, 2014

WWF Saturday Night's Main Event October 4th, 1986

October 4, 1986

Your hosts are Jesse Ventura and Vince McMahon

Before the show, we get prerecorded promos from Jake Roberts, The Dream Team and Johnny Valiant, The Wizard, Paul Orndorff & Bobby Heenan, and Hulk Hogan.



Gene Okerlund is backstage with Roddy Piper, who has been ruled out from competing due to injury after being attacked by Adrian Adonis, Bob Orton, and Don Muraco. We are shown a clip of the attack as Piper goes off about not being able to fight the Iron Sheik tonight because the doctor said he couldn't fight then says that he will wrestle if he wants and will not sit out. Piper was absolutely insane in this promo, with his eyes bugging out of his head.

We get a video package with interviews to hype the feud between Hulk Hogan and Paul Orndorff.


WWF World Heavyweight Championship Match
Paul Orndorff w/ Bobby Heenan vs. Hulk Hogan (Champion)

Before heading out to the ring, Hogan picks up Okerlund and puts him aside after Gene tried to interview him. They slug it out to start with Hogan winning that battle. Hogan goes after Heenan who jumped up on the apron and that allows Orndorff to clothesline him over the ropes. Hulk blocks an apron smash and hits one of his own then chops Orndorff inside of the ring. He rams Orndorff into the turnbuckle then knocks Heenan off of the apron again but then gets hit from behind by Orndorff, who takes control of the match. He stomps Hogan off of the apron and into the timekeeper. Orndorff goes outside and chokes out Hogan with the camera cord. Orndorff goes back inside and mocks Hogan then goes back to work as Jesse calls Orndorff a perfect idol for the kids. Suplex gets two. Hogan reverses an Irish whip then hits a flying knee smash. He sets up for the leg drop but Heenan hangs on to his leg. Orndorff charges and flies outside when Hogan ducks as several cops pick up Heenan and bring him backstage as the fans go crazy then lock him backstage as we go to break. Heenan is shown banging on the door while insulting the cops as Orndorff takes control of the match. He hits a pair of elbow drops before choking him out on the mat. He then slams Hogan and gets two with an elbow drop. Hogan counters a piledriver attempt with a backdrop but Orndorff goes back on the attack as Hogan hulks up. Hogan knocks down Orndorff then hits an elbow smash. Hogan takes down Orndorff with a clothesline then signals for the piledriver as Adrian Adonis, first called a "fat sweathog from the audience" by Jesse, runs in and attacks Hogan for the DQ (10:19) **1/2. Its a 2-on-1 attack until Piper hobbles to the ring and bets the shit out of Adonis with his crutch. He then swings it wildly at Hogan, who ducks, and they almost come to blows as Hogan motions to hit him but stops. Piper then ducks outside then limps away as Jesse is upset over Piper's actions, calling him a "sellout". Hogan then instructs the referee to give the crutch back to Piper.

Thoughts: The match was heated but it wasn't as good as their other bouts. The finish was the most memorable part as Piper made the save but they still made it unclear as whether or not Piper was in fact a face at this point. He was booked as a tweener, even though the fans were going wild for him. I thought his slow turn was booked quite well as he came back from Hollywood with Adonis taking his job then his friends turning his back on him.


Jake "The Snake" Roberts vs. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat

Before the match, we are shown Okerlund interviewing Roberts and Steamboat with their pets. They trade arm wringers to start. Steamboat catches Roberts with an armdrag and works the arm. He pancakes Roberts and gets two off of that before catching him with another armdrag. Jake moves away from Steamboat's dragon, which was in a bag, as Steamboat has him in an armbar. Roberts misses a corner charge then gets chopped down. Steamboat climbs up top but Roberts gets his knees up on a splash attempt. That looked really good and painful for Steamboat. Roberts hits a gutbuster and gets two off of that. Roberts works on the ribs of Steamboat before hitting him with a clothesline that gets two. Roberts drives his knees into the ribs of Steamboat then chokes him out. Steamboat attempts a comeback but that is stopped short with an inverted atomic drop but the Dragon comes back and takes Roberts down with a crucifix and gets the pin (6:19) **1/2. After the match, Roberts attacks Steamboat and goes for the snake but sees that Steamboat has the dragon in his hand and he charges after Roberts, who scrambles out of the ring. Steamboat then raises the dragon in the air as he celebrates.

Thoughts: Really good match while it lasted. This feud was really awesome but the shit with their pets was really corny.


Backstage, Okerlund is with Hogan. Hulk says that he was turned on by what happened in his match then warns Piper that if he steps to him again, he will get attacked. Hogan then says that he will never trust Piper. Hogan was amped here, maybe they had the really good shit floating around backstage during this taping, but the point of the interview was to leave some doubt in the mind of the fans regarding Piper being a face or heel.


We see a clip of Jesse interviewing Iron Sheik and Slick as they pulled up in a limo before the show. Not much of note happened here.


As the Iron Sheik and Pedro Morales are about to start their match, Piper, looking pissed off, comes out with his crutch and orders Morales to leave as he is going to wrestle tonight, threatening him with his crutch.


Iron Sheik w/Slick vs. Roddy Piper

Piper whacks Sheik with a crutch to start the match. Sheik hammers away then goes for a suplex but Piper turns it into a small package and holds the tights for the win (0:43).

Thoughts: A quick win to put over Piper. The fans are really into him tonight too.


Backstage, Okerlund is with Piper who dumps a drink on his head before running down Adonis. He then goes mental again when discussing how he got attacked. They did a great job with this feud.


Best of Three Falls
WWF Tag Team Championship Match
The Dream Team w/ Johnny V vs. British Bulldogs (Champions)

First Fall

Dynamite starts by hitting Valentine with an atomic drop. Valentine fights back and beats on Dynamite, targeting the leg. Beefcake tags and hits a suplex and goes for the leg but Dynamite is able to make the tag. Davey overpowers Beefcake for a bit but Beefcake drops Davey then tags Valentine as the Dream Team neutralizes Davey in their corner. Dynamite tags and unloads on Valentine while selling his right leg. Valentine comes back with an inverted atomic drop then a shoulderbreaker as Vince tells us that the doctor will update us on the condition of Adonis. Valentine then puts Dynamite in the figure four and he eventually taps out (4:44).

Second Fall

Before the fall started, Okerlund tells us that Adonis might have suffered a separated shoulder as they show the replay a few times to sell the segment. Valentine continues to destroy the leg of Dynamite. Beefcake tags and continues were Valentine left off then knocks down Davey. Again, the Dream Team use quick tags to work on the leg of Dynamite. Beefcake holds Dynamite up with one hand then slams him down for two. Valentine misses an elbow drop from the second rope and that allows Dynamite to tag out. Davey destroys Valentine then gets two with a delayed vertical suplex. He then hits the running powerslam as Beefcake breaks that up but Davey puts Beefcale on his shoulders and tags Dynamite, who leaps off of Beefcale's back and hits Valentine with a diving headbutt for the win (8:10)

Third Fall

Valentine and Dynamite slug it out with Dynamite getting the best of that. Dynamite hits a snap suplex but misses a falling headbutt as Valentine takes control. Ventura tells us that Adonis has suffered a shattered elbow. Valentine goes to work on the leg but Dynamite fights off a figure four attempt and tags Davey. Beefcake also tags and hits a backdrop then catches him with a clothesline for a nearfall. He chokes him out on the mat then headbutts Davey in the groin. Davey comes back with a sunset flip for a nearfall but Beefcake goes right back on the attack. Valentine tags and gets two with a suplex. Beefcake then hits a running knee smash for two then the match breaks down. Davey then hits Beefcake with a Fisherman's suplex for the win (13:09) ***1/2.

Rating: Really good match. These two teams always had great chemistry to begin with. Valentine looked great here too. Most people seem to remember him from the late 1980's when he was older and slower but at this point, he could really go in the ring. This loss also moved the Dream Team out of the Tag Title picture.


"Leaping" Lanny Poffo vs. Kamala w/ The Wizard & Kimchee

No poem for Lanny tonight. Match starts with Lanny using his speed to his advantage but that doesnt last long. Kamala chops him down then uses a lifting chokehold. Kamala uses more chops but Poffo fights back. Kamala stops the comeback with an eye rake then hits a slam that sets up the splash for the win (1:44). After the match, Kamala climbs up top but Kimchee gets him down.

Thoughts: Just a quick win to put over Kamala during his return push that would eventually lead to a series of matches against Hogan.


Final Thoughts: An excellent show. They had hot angles and good matches. In whacking Adonis with a crutch, they wrote Adonis off of TV for several weeks as he was either suspended or sent to rehab. I forget what happened there. The Piper stuff was great, we got a World Championship Match free on TV and an awesome Tag Team title match plus Steamboat/Roberts.


Here is my schedule for the next several days:

Tuesday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 10/5/86
Thursday: Highspots Shoot Interview with Mike Awesome
Friday: WWF Superstars of Wrestling 10/11/86
Saturday: RoH Night of the Butcher 12/7/02
Sunday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 10/12/86


285 comments:

  1. Tony might be too busy with the Gwinnett Braves.

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  2. Did he? Hasn't he only been at 2 B shows so far (Extreme Rules 2012 and Extreme Rules 2013), with 2012 seeing a huge boost over the year before, and 2013 being down from 2012, but still up a decent amount from 2011 despite Brock's match being the third in a series and the rest of the card being mediocre at best?

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  3. You mean the greatest shill in the history of wrestling is on the payroll and he's not working a taped show? I would buy two subscriptions to get a new World Wide Wrestling with Renee and David Crockett.

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  4. Let's face it: We're going to end up seeing something ass backwards like Cena vs. Rusev (or Rollins) in Hell in a Cell and then a less-cool gimmick match rematch at Survivor Series.

    This is the problem when you name a PPV "Hell in a Cell" and don't have a big enough feud to blow off in that type of match.

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  5. I hope we get Rollins vs Ambrose in the cell more than anything.

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  6. I just picture Bischoff in the back telling Tony to hype up everything every 5 minutes.

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  7. My real fear is they had Brock end the streak and give Cena his worst beating ever just so they can give the rub back to Cena by having him "overcome the odds!!!" and beat Brock at ER, and then they'll try to give the people who hate Cena something by having Brock beat him up post match, and Rollins cashes in. Because you see, a dominant heel beating Cena clean is exactly the same as a chickenshit heel who will panic and run away from the might of John Cena everytime he's near.



    I love Rollins but a Cena feud is death to heels not named Brock, because they're never, ever allowed to look like they're on the same level as him (again, exception being Brock). Faces are different (see: Bryan, Punk), but heels? I can't remember the last one that left a feud with Cena better off than when he entered it. If Rollins is just treated like Miz 2.0, who can't possibly win a match without tons of help, it'll just be garbage.

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  8. That makes a lot of sense, really.

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  9. I could legitimately see Ambrose-Rollins in the Cell being the big draw of that show. Maybe with Reigns-Trips on there as well.



    Or maybe even Reigns and Ambrose vs. HHH and Rollins?

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  10. THIS JUST IN:

    I do not like being bitten in the ass.

    Biting a pretty piece of female ass, on the other hand, is all good.

    Spend your holiday with that mental image. You're welcome.

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  11. Imagine how much less effort they'd have put in if it was just the television channel they'd pretended was going to happen for two years.


    We laugh at the shitty MTV rejects putting things together now, imagine if their big idea was every Saturday showing all the Legends House the way they did with Real World for twenty years.

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  12. Like Tony is gonna put any assess in seats. Er... subscribers on the network.

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  13. >but he's already shown not to make a difference on B-shows otherwise


    I don't think this is true. Extreme Rules did 263,000, which was way up from 2011 where it did 209,000 buys.


    Extreme Rules 2013 did 228,000, which for a B-show is really good.

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  14. Did anyone ever refer to him as Tony Schillvone? Because that's really what we should have been doing all along.

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  15. I'm with you on all of these points. After Brock beat Cena like he was Duane Gill at SummerSlam, and (assuming) Cena OVERCOMES THE ODDS and LOLCENAWINS at Night of Champions, we're really supposed to buy Seth Rollins or Rusev as worthy challengers?

    And I say that as someone who likes both of them. But they're not 1/10th of the challenger that Brock is. And I think Rollins cashing in after the Brock/Cena rematch is very likely, but will really kill Rollins off long-term.

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  16. But what about Cena? WHAT ABOUT CENA?

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  17. Yeah, that's been around since at least 1997.

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  18. Tony's voice sounded way different on the first Monday Night War episode, something happen to him?

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  19. ER 2013 did 20k more than 2011 and it was the THIRD Triple H/Brock match.

    This is in an era when buyrates generally show a dip from year-to-year, so that's a plus for Brock in that case. However, the buyrate would've probably been a lot higher had it been a fresh match-up for Brock.

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  20. I, for one, am not afraid to admit that I'm a Tony schiavone fan. As I was more of a Nitro fan during the Monday night wars I have a lot of nostalgia when I hear the old Tonsters voice.

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  21. Sadly Schiavone being on Raw would instantly make him the best announcer on the show.

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  22. They have been trying and trying to make Cena an underdog and nobody buys it. The guy is like 6'2, 251 lbs, and a 15 time champion. There is no possible way to book him as an underdog.

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  23. Are there really die hard wcw fans from the late 90s that are huge tony schivone fans though? I mean the product was good and all for the most part but his announcing was awful by then. Which is weird because if you watch earlier wcw stuff he was very competent at calling a match

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  24. The hell with that. Get to a Models Inc. marathon already.

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  25. I still can't believe Dylan didn't pick Brenda... what I meant was THAT SHOW IS FOR CHICKS!

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  26. I remember spending a week dissecting the preview for the episode when he is with Kelly in the pool.

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  27. Do they dare sell a HItC exclusive tiny towel? Will he hold it up and run to the ring full speed?

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  28. LOL. I actually didn't start watching it until it was basically over... but I am CONVINCED that the booking of that angle is where Shannon Doherty's life took a turn for the worse.

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  29. If only Dylan waited to see Blindfold: Acts Of Obsession, he would have known what he was missing out on.

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  30. Without a doubt, she never recovered other than Mallrats.


    I watched it pretty much throughout its initial run. It gets pretty wonky towards the end, as any would expect.

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  31. What about Charmed? That ran for a long time right?

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  32. Tiffani Amber Thiessen was a great replacement however.

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  33. Id mark out HARD for a Schiavone appearance on RAW. Actually that might be the only thing to get me to tune in at this point

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  34. "I, for one, "


    I like it when people clarify how many people they are.

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  35. Pretty amazing she had runs as two different characters that went right along with her fan base's development.


    Wholesome, sweet Kelly Kapowski and just as soon as we all hit puberty, there she is slutting it up with Dylan McKay.

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  36. Yes, I always forget she went there next.


    She showed up on the new 90210 and looked like she had been through hell.

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  37. And then the massive hit Fastlane where she played Bill Bellamy's boss!

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  38. They should bring out Tony Schiavone on RAW and have Mick Foley come out and kick his ass, Cactus Jack style. Still wouldn't put any asses in the seats but it would be fun.

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  39. Watching Mr. JL vs. Rey Mysterio Jr. right now.


    Holy cow did Mr. JL have some awful music and it's weird to see Rey coming out to something that doesn't sound like shitty rap or rap/rock, I don't think he's come out to a non-rap track since 1998.

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  40. tv guide having their own station seems like a conflict of interest to me

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  41. "Brenda?"
    "DICK!"

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  42. Since these shows are "Network Exclusives" now and not PPVs, they should try running some different guys in main events. These shows are glorified Clash of the Champions at this point anyways.

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  43. well, the history channel loves Nazis and they lost.


    Well, Nazis and Pawn Shops. If some Neo-nazis ever opened a pawn shop that's all they would ever air

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  44. Zbyszko: "I want to see if Rey Mysterio's still around in 10 years".


    Well at least he didn't say he wanted to see if Benoit's still around in 10 years.

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  45. He's only an underdog when you do what they did at SummerSlam -- have him show weakness. That hasn't happened with Cena for years (with the exception of last SummerSlam vs. Bryan, but he disappeared for 2 months immediately after, then came back on won the world title so it didn't stick... and he is also much bigger than Bryan anyway). That's what made the Brock match at SummerSlam so interesting because it was the first time in YEARS that Cena looked so weak against an opponent... even Brock/Cena 2012 didn't put Cena in that weakened position.

    But it shouldn't take a one-of-a-kind challenger like Brock to pull this off. The Hogan formula worked in the mid-to-late 1990s because Hogan always got the crap beat out of him, then would make a comeback and overcome the odds, so to say (the Hogan formula stopped working especially in his early WCW days because Hogan stopped showing weakness). However, Cena doesn't show weakness enough to make anyone think he CAN'T overcome the odds... plus he's been portrayed as more invincible than Hogan for years now.

    The missing thing from this is Cena is NEVER the underdog in reality no matter how much the announcers push it, which is why fans will never buy Cena vs. Rollins or Cena vs. Rusev as a main even feud.

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  46. I won't be happy until they post Central States Wrestling from 1982 - they expect me to pay 9.99$ a month and they're just sitting on Bulldog Bob Brown vs Rufus R "Freight Train" Jones in a loser leaves town match? That's bullshit, that's what that it.

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  47. So I'm on YouTube watching a fan-made video called "nWo Anthology" which rules. It's just showing all of the nWo promos/matches/moments from WCW. It's great watching all of the early stuff in sequential order.

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  48. Ryback headlined the last TWO HitC PPVs...their lack of depth has BEEN biting them in the ass, for a while now.

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  49. I don't think Tony is interested in doing wrestling work these days, or at least he often suggests that. I agree that WWE should be using Crockett more, though.

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  50. I am posting an ad on Craigslist looking for Neo-Nazis with enough money to invest in a Pawn Shop then I am pitching the idea to History... I made need a house with a high ceiling for all the cash I will be stacking up.

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  51. I realize now though that what annoyed me was his baseball-announcer tone that he kept. Other than that, he was perfectly serviceable and far less embarrassingly bad than Cole.

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  52. Not now, sadly, considering all the back pain and upcoming surgeries Foley has mentioned he's getting.

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  53. I think it's pretty much a guarantee at this point. And that's...a GOOD thing.

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  54. WHO ARE YOU TO DOUBT RYBACK?

    ...actually, it's perfectly reasonable to do so.

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  55. Their stupid gimmick PPV overkill is biting them, because normally it would be Unforgiven or No Mercy or something like that and there would be no need for a HIAC match.

    But actually they HAVE a big story, which is Cena vs Lesnar and they just have let someone interfere in the NOTC match to make it a screw job finish and voila - perfect reason for a HIAC match.

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  56. The only reason this didn't get more upvotes is because it hits to close to home for all of us.

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  57. My daddy always told me, never trust a man who dresses like a Ninja Turtle villain.

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  58. Rey cut a promo on Sting attacking him the previous week, then he said "What he did, his reaction was normal, not like what Kevin Nash did when he threw me into the trailer". Then Tony Schiavone said: "Back this past summer, I remember that".




    Of course you remember it Tony, you merely mentioned it every single week for months, even years. And we thought Michael Cole's constant shilling of the WWE App is bad.

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  59. Maybe they need to hire DJ Run to get all up in your area.

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  60. How, exactly, does getting Tony on Raw for a one-off draw in lapsed WCW viewers, who haven't watched wrestling in over a decade?

    How do they get the word he's gonna be on?

    Why would they continue watching the company that they hate and refused to watch after WCW folded?

    Why would they PAY to watch shit you can find for free with a negligible difference in quality on the internet?

    Why would they continue to pay after getting a quick nostalgia hit?

    Does anyone think before they hit send on these e-mails?

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  61. I got through like half of those in 2012. So fucking awesome.

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  62. Hmm. Lots of similarities between ryback and rocksteady.

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  63. She was only in the first three seasons and then was replaced by Rose McGowan.

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  64. I assumed. I don't read every comment posted here.

    Alright, for argument's sake, "does anyone think before they hit post on these comments?"

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  65. Maybe you haven't been bitten by the right fella yet.

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  66. Hell, Todd Grisham being on RAW today would immediately make Todd the best announcer on the show.

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  67. That and I assume a lot of people can't read 1337

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  68. Don't have a cow, man.

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  69. Who wants to bite a female on either hand?

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  70. Yes. It seemed you were going moo-ntel.

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  71. He'll, mike adamle...sigh, never mind.

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  72. Fella, female, or otherwise... my ass is a no bite zone.

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  73. You know it's bad when you would rather have Duke Doherty on commentary than Cole, Lawler and JBL.

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  74. At least they remembered things back then unlike current WWE where Cena was just saved by two guys who he feuded with in 2012 and 2013.

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  75. Does anyome now exactly how many dates are on Brock's deal. It seamed like he barely worked last year. It's possible they were saaving dates for this year. I thought I saw him being advertised for smackdown the week of HIAC. It could have been a mistake I guess.

    this is a golden opportunity to rebuild the secondary titles, but that would make way to much sense.

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  76. I'm expecting a Kane or Big Show main event appearance between October and the Rumble.

    The lack of depth is not entirely WWE's fault, as Punk walking away and Bryan getting hurt really screwed things up. And who knows, Barrett could've even been put in some high profile feuds and been elevated right now had he stayed healthy. Not figuring out a better way to utilize Bray Wyatt was their fault, though.

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  77. I think he was joking.

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  78. I watched the first 3 episodes of The Monday Night War last night and one of the biggest things that bugged me was that they just jumped around like crazy starting with the second episode which focuses on the nWo.

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  79. Yeah, it's like WWE doesn't realize the most basic booking: Put the secondary belts on top guys and those belts matter again, it's as simple as that.
    Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio already proved it with the I-C belt five years ago.

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  80. Just saw that Jericho is getting HHH on his podcast this week. That has the potential to be an all timer.

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  81. Liger/Pullman! Hooray!

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  82. At the very least it will definitely change the IWC's adopted perspective that Jericho must hate HHH because Jericho had to lose fake fights to him all the time.

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  83. You know it's bad when Kane and Big Show are still getting main event pushes when both guys should have retired by 2004, let alone ten years later.
    Even WCW didn't rely on the same old guys for that long.

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  84. I feel like Mongo found a rhyming dictionary days before the debut of Nitro and just memorized insulting rhymes for Brain.

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  85. He'll probably say much less than we hope he's going to say.

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  86. They didn't have a chance to, had the opportunity presented itself they absolutely would've leaned on Hogan for another decade, just as TNA tried to.

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  87. The likely options:
    Cena vs. Rollins
    Cena vs. Rusev
    Cena vs. Kane/Jacob Goodnight
    Cena vs. Big Show



    This is like the most horrible game of F, Marry, Kill...

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  88. And speaking of podcasts, saw that WWE won't let their guys do Jim Ross' podcast. Keep it classy Vince.

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  89. Not exactly. The signs were there that had they not died that Sean O'Haire would have been the top guy, with Goldberg, Mike Awesome, Lance Storm and Booker T slightly below him on the totem pole.

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  90. Sting was absolutely shredded on these early Nitros. No wonder Hogan didn't want to job clean to him at Starracde 97.

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  91. 1) No idea
    2) Start running ads at 6pm on Saturday on TBS, I think this demo is still there waiting
    3) Why do people that hated WCW get excited when they add WCW content?
    4) I ask this question about the Network, Netflix, and cable television
    5) No nostalgia hits without a 16 year committment
    6) Yes, in fact routinely Tony would be involved in the highest segments of the night during the War, taking us to break usually, but still invovled!
    7) No
    8) No

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  92. One thing about PPVs on the network... we're more likely to get that traditional Survivor Series event now.

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  93. If you want lapsed fans, give a WCW saturday night, and I might consider signing up. . .

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  94. They did six different "young guys taking over" bits and none of them stuck.

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  95. And it needs to start at 6:05 on Saturdays.

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  96. Re: Mongo's Deficiencies

    They could have hidden his lack of skills better had they not tried to push all three non-Flair Horsemen as singles guys. They should have let Benoit take the US division and Malenko/Mongo go for the tags. Instead WCW had to be WCW and push a guy who barely had any training as a future star and it sank him.

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  97. Whoooohooo Nitro bumpers before commercials! So corny, so great!

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  98. Poor Colt is off somewhere wondering where it all went wrong.

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  99. What a dick. I don't think JRs is that great but it's still Better than anything they could produce.

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  100. We discussed this in the other thread, Austin and Jericho as either employees, or at least on good terms with WWE. Ross is a bitter old man who is not on good terms.

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  101. It's not JR is terriboo.

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  102. Does that Renee Young podcast even exist anymore? I haven't heard or read anything about it in a long time.

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  103. They were both on Larry King a few years ago, and Larry, explaining it to non-fans said "So for example, You 2 are told before the match, you wrestle 20 minutes, then HHH wins, right?" Jericho chimed. "Yep, that's pretty much ALWAYS the way it ended between us. Hunter laughed.

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  104. People will just find something else to bitch about

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  105. Are you guys going to do the PPVs as well? Like will you watch Havoc 95 when it takes place after a certain Nitro?

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  106. "Why the fuck are you giving us episodes of Saturday Night from 1991 with Minotaur and Black Blood squash matches?"

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  107. This. All of this.

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  108. And "Word a Day" newsletter...


    Unabashed arrogance!
    Unmitigated!

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  109. Stranger in the AlpsSeptember 1, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    I love me some Bill Pullman matches.

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  110. I'm waiting for it all to be up but basically my plan is to watch everything from "You fan can stick it brother" up to "Austin has sold himself to the devil" in as chronological an order as possible.


    PPVs, TV, house shows if they're available, all of it. Can't wait though I know it will take at least a year or two before it's possible.

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  111. After reading Undisputed, it doesn't seem that jericho even hates Goldberg. It did appear that he hated Larry Zbyszko.

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  112. Would it hurt WWE to put old Nitro's on the live feed during Raw? Like, create a new competition. Repeats vs. New Raw.

    Obviously, the Raws would win each week but I'd enjoy people posting that they're watching the counter programming on the network.

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  113. I find they do a good job builing up Cell level feuds by October. For example, last year, Punk vs Ryback/Heyman, and the first Bryan/Orton blowoff after Big Show interfered the previous PPV. This year, Maybe Cena/Brock, and hopefully Rollins/Ambrose.

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  114. Denying press because they don't cover you like you want to be covered is not a good look.

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  115. I don't have the network. But it sounds amazing. Yet all people do is bitch and bitch.


    If you had told wrestling fans a year ago they would have access to every PPV ever and current PPVs they would be thrilled. But nope.

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  116. There's an on demand section that lets people do exactly that.

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  117. At what other point though has the "press" literally had their nose in the company CEO's asshole?

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  118. The NFL Network doesn't air football on Sundays.

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  119. Huh. That could be fun. I haven't looked into it yet but i guess the 95 Raws are up and you could watch them back to back with the Nitros.

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  120. *Ran

    Riki Ratchman and the No Limit Soldiers too.

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  121. Yeah it's going to be a long wait, I basically have to wait for all of Raw, Smackdown, Nitro, Thunder and Heat to be available from 96-02 lol.


    Nevermind that it will take me probably six years to watch all that shit.

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  122. An ex-employee that has said that he is considering writing a memoir that will likely reveal some skeletons in the closet, in fact.

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  123. I can't disagree with this. But, I will say, I was grinding my teeth when the feed for Summerslam stopped a couple times, for a second here and there. As far as material to watch though, it's awesome.

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  124. The feed cutting out is a different issue and yes that's bad.

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  125. I have had the Network since day 1 and have recently re-subbed for another 6 months and will continue to do so until I die or it goes under (whichever comes first) and yes it is amazing.


    The only complaint I have about it is the buffering issues during live PPVs but it saves me at least $45 a month on PPV fees and I can see it the next day on demand so even that beef is extremely minor.


    I just think people are being negative on it for the sake of being negative.

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  126. Eh, there's nothing JR could say that would really hurt Vince. Unless there was some illegal stuff going on and good luck printing any of that without the E's lawyers keeping JR in court for the rest of his life.


    I'd be very surprised if JR went the full monte and burned his bridge with the company permanently, realistically he has no other source of potential income.

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  127. New main eventers in the last 2 years: Bryan, Shield, Ryback (main eventer is defined as someone who sold a PPV just because they were in the main event)
    Last 5 years: Sheamus, Miz, Del Rio, Punk, Barrett, Mark Henry


    Out of the one above, ones that are viable options for holding the WWE title right now: all 3 shield members only
    Bryan and Barrett are injured; Sheamus, Miz, Ryback & Henry would need to be built up again; Del Rio and Punk are gone


    Ones that could have been in the main event & fighting for WWE title right now but got screwed: Ziggler, Wyatt, Cesaro

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  128. Negative = smart! They are just showing how smart they are by nitpicking and finding bad things.

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  129. Oh shit. Arn/Flair having problems at Nitro led to that killer Horsemen reunion with Pillman kicking Sting in the back of the head.

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  130. They do air lots and lots of press conferences though.

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  131. Just my 2 cents, I think those 3 you lastly mentioned still have hope. All depends on if WWE wants them to be top guys.

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  132. Jericho's issues weren't with Goldberg, it was with the people who told Goldberg a match with Jericho was beneath him when Goldberg's title run consisted of him squashing guys like Kanyon, Scott Putski, Rick Fuller, and approximately 37 matches against The Giant.

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  133. Oh shit, man! Sabu is coming to Nitro! That can't go wrong!

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  134. He never really hated Goldberg. He just wanted a match with him because it thought it would draw money and higher-ups said no.

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  135. Every single part of your post is factually incorrect.

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  136. Don't they go dark from 1 to 8?

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  137. JR doesn't need any guests because even when the guests are on, JR doesn't 60 percent of the talking.

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  138. Yeah, I don't get why there's so much bitching about the bad stuff either. I tend to find humor and fun in the bad stuff because that's the kind of wrestling I grew up with in the first place but it's amazing how much anger there is towards an amazing service that lets us see all of this cool stuff again.


    It would be like if HBO created an 80's retro channel and people would bitch because Super Fuzz was constantly on the schedule. What do you expect?

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  139. Just about random shit. He's a very bitter old man that will trigger something else with his own ramblings...

    JR: Sting, who was your favorite heel to work with in WCW?
    Sting: JR, hands down it's Vader because we just had...
    JR: AND WHY CAN'T ANYONE BE A HEEL ANYMORE, BY GOD!

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  140. Thanks for the correction and don't forget Chad Brock even though everyone else in the world has.

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  141. Plus, after the guy comes at you, much larger than you, and you take him down backstage in front of the boys... TWICE... you learn to let that whole thing slide.

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  142. Usually they simulcast the Red Zone channel which is just a loop of the latest scores and boring press conferences.

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  143. If Jericho had a big ego about wins and losses his career would have went one of two ways...


    He could have ended up in the Shawn Michaels category where it's debatable he was the greatest of all time...


    ... or he could have gotten jobbed out by 2002, left off the card, and never heard from again.

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  144. Show has actually surpassed Kane at this point.

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  145. cowardwhotriedtoquitSeptember 1, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    But Clubber Lang doesn't get a rematch in Rocky III, so why would Brock be working Hell in a Cell?

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  146. How odd that he'd have heat with Larry. Larry was pretty fair to him on commentary as I remember

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  147. This Raw had 2 super hot angles, and 3 very solid matches, but THOSE 2 OTHER SEGMENTS WERE TOTALLY SUB PAR AND UNFUNNY!! BURN TITAN TOWERS!!! WORST RAW EVER!!

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  148. Holy crap, a PPV commercial with a Victor Caroli voiceover!
    So weird to hear a wrestling PPV shill from Showtime's top voiceover guy from the 80's.

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  149. I want to see Schiavone on Raw.. but only to see what kind of idiotic WCW stock music they bring him out to..


    Damn.. I just realized that not one of the wrestlers active in WCW's last year or so is still active in the WWE now.

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  150. I agree. As the IC champ, Ziggler can easily be rehabilitated if they treat the title as the step just below main event. Wyatt and Cesaro just need 1 good feud and they would be right back where they were just 3 months ago. Hopefully Cesaro wins the US title and he has a great run with it.

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  151. HHH was in WCW and recently active part-timer

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  152. Why would they counter program their own show? Steal ratings from the one steady revenue source they have left? Dopey idea..

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  153. The social media WWE claims to be all about. Facebook and the like could promote WCW being on the Network. Lapsed WCW fans probably use Facebook

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  154. Are those the ones where they'd have Gene and a wrestler standing by the entrance way saying Nitro is on next?

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  155. You'll get all that crap eventually. Again, they can't put it up all at once. Not a smart move.

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  156. LOL at some 40 year old dude turning into TBS at 6:05 every Saturday for a couple hours with his head cocked... very confused.

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  157. I'd rather have DJ Run.

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  158. Eh, I liked this past week's RAW. There's usually enough good to outweigh the bad as you just pointed out.

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  159. my mistake; just misread it

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  160. Just thinking out loud. Honestly, old Nitro's from 15 years ago aren't going to hurt anything. I was just trying to make some conversation.

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  161. Jamaican me crazy with that comment.

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  162. It's fantastic, and anyone complaining about lack of content needs to shut their gob.

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  163. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9obgyYB1IU

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  164. TJ: Just watched Nitro episode 3, and two things are obvious: McMichael is fucking terrible at everything, and Mr. Wonderful's music is spectacular.

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  165. Tony Schiavone during the segment where Eric Bischoff played Roddy Piper: "Our sport has reached a new low". Wait until TNA starts up to say that, Tony.

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  166. Booker T's probably is good enough shape for something. Also, Dustin Rhodes was working the last year WCW was in business, and is still working WWE today. Though I realize that is not quite what you are looking for.

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  167. Speaking of Schiavone.. does anyone know if his appearance on the Monday Night Wars series was brand new or in the can? I think it'd be smart to put Tony on the payroll for voiceover work on older WCW shows and to shill the Network.

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  168. I'm going to start using "Can it, you nit!" every time someone complains about not having something like WCW Prime on the network.

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  169. HowmuchdoesthisguyweighSeptember 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    They could trot booker out there for a special match.

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  170. THAT WOULD MAKE ME MARK OUT, BRO!!

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  171. It's cool.. the funny thing is that it's so bad a business decision that the WWE might actually do it.

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  172. HowmuchdoesthisguyweighSeptember 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    YOU NEEEEEEEVVVVEEERRRRR KNOWSW

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  173. Hell yeah about the 2nd thing. So glad they used that music during the Hogan Birthday bash.

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  174. Nitro theme.

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  175. Oh yeah. This was Sting saying to stay tuned because Sting is the best at doing the Scorpion Deathlock!

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  176. Mister_E_BarrettsLastPrivateerSeptember 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    Oh wow, I haven't thought of that show at all in YEARS and how weird is it that I know EXACTLY the scene you are referring to.

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  177. The best was how Paul would turn the mirror to himself and give thumbs up, then turn to the crowd and give thumbs down.

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  178. And here we are 5 years later and the IC belt still means nothing.

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  179. Sabu showing up on Nitro, as Sabu, doing Sabu stuff. Weird to see an indy guy just coming in as is.

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  180. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK9IY8r2aF4



    I thought it sucked shit.

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  181. HowmuchdoesthisguyweighSeptember 1, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    Man... Very uncomfortable segment on one of the random Nitros I picked to watch with Benoit and Woman taunting Sullivan and drinking wine together. Just weird to watch. I think watching that stuff will be much weirder than watch wwe Benoit which was even closer to his death.

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  182. That's the point. It was fucking terrible, and that's why it was great.

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  183. Eh, it's not like the Honky Tonk Man's theme... which is supposed to make you hate him but is actually good... or Rude's... any of Rude's.

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  184. I never thought I'd say this, but they should just let Schiavone do play by play on Raw
    He'd sell the shit out of stuff, but he would at least know moves.

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  185. "Sidewalk Slam! Folks, Please buy the WWE Network for only Nine, Ninety ANOTHER SIDEWALK SLAM!! As I was saying, $9.99!!"

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