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WWE Policy on Domestic Abuse

On the WWE Corporate site, you can find the following statement:

"WWE has zero tolerance for matters involving domestic violence, child abuse and sexual assault. Upon arrest for such misconduct, a WWE talent will be immediately suspended. Upon conviction for such misconduct, a WWE talent will be immediately terminated."

Credit Pwinsider.com

Smackdown Rating

Smackdown scored a 1.96 for this past Friday's show, up slightly from a 1.94 the week before. It ranked 2nd on Friday night cable behind "Gold Rush" on Discovery.

Credit PWTorch.com

Jake Roberts Health Update

On Friday, Jake Roberts tweeted that doctors have found three spots on his brain that they are concerned about, and will receive another MRI in three weeks.

Credit wrestlinginc.com

Seth Rollins at NXT

Seth Rollins will be appearing at this week's NXt taping. No word on whether he will see in-ring action.

Credit PWInsider.com

Comments

  1. Jobber ... the NBA Pacific Podcast is up... written Pacific preview up later today.

    Also, if anyone missed it last night, the Titans of Wrestling interviewed Tito Santana... Arriba!

    http://placetobenation.com/titans-of-wrestling-36-interview-with-tito-santana/

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  2. So what if that Domestic Abuse charge involves Steve Austin in 2002 or John Cena today?

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  3. I was going to say Zero tolerance unless it happened a long time ago and we want you to get in shape for a Wrestlemania comeback.
    I'm out of the loop what did Cena do?

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  4. TJ: I am the Leon Lett of my weekly pickup Volleyball game. I keep making major screwups, but my teams seems to win anyway.

    "Now someone touches the volleyball here.... IT'S VINCE JORDAN!! NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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  5. Where has the domestic abuse rule suddenly just popped up from? It's quite a big story here I'm England at the minute with a convicted rapist maybe rejoining his football club but can't see that being anything to do with it.

    Is there some news being leaked soon that will have someone in the locker room a little worried?

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  6. Nothing that I've read, he probably meant it more in a "oh that's bullshit, they'd never get a top guy on this". But I don't know, it's different than their "stringent" roids policy that miraculously misses Rock and HHH. If there's a Ray Rice-like video of Cena knocking Nicki out?

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  7. Nothing yet, but since he's the top guy I wonder if they would punish him.

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  8. The NFL got extremely bad publicity for going easy on domestic abuse charges, and are finally now waking up about it (Mostly due to extreme pressure and backlash). So basically, WWE is getting ahead of the curve, saying "Unlike the NFL, we won't tolerate it".

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  9. Well. Good thing that rule wasn't in place for Austin.

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  10. Oh does this new domestic abuse status within the company bring charges to Yamaguchi-San for chopping off Val Venis' manhood in 1998?

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  11. Plus a player in the NHL just got busted, too. WWE is hopping on-board while it's a hot topic issue.

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  12. No one cares.

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  13. You are a very bitter and sad person. Was just trying to have fun there, lighten the f*ck up.

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  14. I'm sorry. See, with five hours a week of pick-up volleyball talk on the other boards I frequent, I understand that sometimes some postings may be a little boring.

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  15. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/oct/18/am-i-being-catfished-an-author-confronts-her-number-one-online-critic



    This whole story is just insane

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  16. If a video like that came out, Cena would be gone. It'd hurt them for a while at house shows, but they'd just slot someone into the position.


    We're talking a video though. If it was just an accusation from Nikki or something? She'd quietly take a large settlement and nobody would know anything.

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  17. That's dangerously close to saying Cena's beating up Nikki.

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  18. I imagine Make a Wish would be pretty pissed too.

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  19. Sooooo long... I tried to read it, I really really did, but can you please give the gist of it?

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  20. That wouldn't count as domestic abuse. The time he nearly spanked her with a big paddle, THAT could have qualified. "Sleeping with a porn star. That's a paddlin'! "

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  21. People are just so desperate for Cena to go away, they are rooting for him to beat up his girl. That is just sad.

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  22. Do you guys play in sand or indoors? I love to volley ball but just with friends at the beach, and we always institute a spiking rule which I break everytime I get a chance. Fuck setting some up, I wanna smash it!

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  23. Oh man, all I know, this year Warriors go 82-0.

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  24. It really isn't that long and it's well worth reading.


    Basically an author was so disturbed by a one star review, she decided to stalk the reviewer and uncovered she wasn't exactly who she said she was. It's a crazy story that's quasi-blown up. Ironically, in a story about stalking and obsession, I've become obsessed with it.

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  25. Good thing Vince and HHH aren't obsessed with bad reviews on this site!

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  26. At least my team wins most of the time, no 50/50 booking there! lulz

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  27. If Cena or Bryan do it I'll hold a fundraiser for their legal defense team.

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  28. Steve's talking about how the response from the X7 commentary was so crazy huge that he'll definitely do 13 in a few weeks.


    Boooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

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  29. It's a good thing no members of the WWE locker room has ever smacked around their wife or killed their family so Vince can take this moral high ground.

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  30. I actually listened to it 2 hours ago, it was kind of weird to not be able to follow the match while hearing it. Still good stuff.

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  31. Clean slate I guess! Just don't do it from now on!

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  32. If they counted shitting in someone's bag an assault charge, there would probably be only five guys on the roster.

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  33. Yeah it's definitely more fun if you stream it along with him, it's still a crazy deep insight into the psychology of wrestling, Steve basically admitting "If this match hadn't been so hot half of this shit we couldn't have gotten away with, but we knew it would be HOT so...fuck it." was pretty interesting.

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  34. Since there's so many Cosby marks here:

    http://time.com/3525865/hannibal-buress-bill-cosby/

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  35. It's crazy that Austin and Rock each made like a million bucks from that one match.

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  36. I can't believe it never dawned on the wwe to have whole shows or individual matches on the network with key participants providing a new commentary track exactly like Austin did. That would have to be cheaper than making a reality show or cartoon no one watches and it would be something people would want to see.

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  37. Luckily I don't love Bill Cosby as much as I love Woody Allen so I don't have to get involved with this one

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  38. SUPER cheap to make, you don't even need the guys in the same room. Bret and Steve could do commentary on 13 from Calgary and Los An-Gell-Eeeeees, respectively.

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  39. I don't buy the blu-rays, but they don't do that even on blu-rays? That's stupid. Like you said, super easy to produce.

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  40. I think Jake the Snake had some commentary about his WM 3 match, but that's the only example I can think of.

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  41. They'll do it for like, one match on a DVD of sixteen matches, and usually not with both participants but instead with one participant and Cole or someone.

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  42. So...is Cole there to make sure whoever is talking doesn't go "off script" or something?

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  43. Nah, it's just a misdemeanor. Defamation via defecation.

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  44. So there's only 3 episodes of impact left right? I saw the preview for tonight and that one thing still hasn't even happened? Wow.

    Did anyone see BFG? Was it garbage?

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  45. I've known about this for a while. This isn't surprising, especially when they talk about how he went about his business. Straight up predatory actions.

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  46. They are way more than 3 episodes left, because NBC, CBS and Fox are all battling for the rights to sign them to a 10 year, multi billion dollar contract as we speak. They are just keeping it a secret right now. [/WWF1987]

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  47. Me too. I think the story is more a black comic going after him since Cosby is so revered. But Hannibal is great that he doesn't give a fuck.

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  48. He needs to get Bret on with him and do 96 and 13 in one shot together.

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  49. Just to keep them on track really, the only example I can really think of is off one of the Shawn 3 disc sets, and Shawn gets sidetracked super fucking easy so it was kind of helpful in that case.

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  50. Steve mentions casually that he talks to Brock Lesnar about once a month, it's weird to imagine those two as good friends especially with the way Steve walked out.

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  51. It's funny (well, not "ha ha") that the "story" is more Buress (in Philly, no less!) going after Cosby instead of talking about what most in the industry already know. And since Cosby has gone on record in attacking people in the AA community, I wondered why no one has really pointed out the TREMENDOUS hypocrisy that his life is.

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  52. If it is Cena or someone else unless there is a smoking gun like the ray rice video they would let "due process" take it's course and hope Nikki or whoever would drop the charges in the mean time and if not they would cut him if he actually was found guilty of anything.

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  53. Yeah, but he never had a problem with jobbing to Brock - just jobbing to Brock with little to no build. The writers were always the issue.

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  54. http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/516249-wrestling-observer-hall-of-fame-ballot

    Oh this fucking pisses me off so much. One why does this fat pig have a vote, and two omg are you fucking kidding me with this ballot. Ivan Koloff???? Over sting? No. Any asshole could have done a switch with Bruno. That means jack shit. The WWF thought so much of his title run they never brought it once when he was Boris Zukov.

    Punk should get in on elite work rate alone. And Lesnars time wrestling is far shorter than punks.Sting is a dead horse I've beaten into a pulp

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  55. You making fun of someone else's irrational fandom is hilarious.

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  56. "That wasn't blood when Austin was in the sharp shooter. Those were tears because of how well I carried the match".

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  57. Makes sense. Probably something about Jesus blowjobs. I can see it.

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  58. I actually think if cw picks them up it could be like when fox got the NFL.

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  59. I thought it was a done deal much like the NFL Fox CBS and NBC are going to split the rights.

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  60. IIRC, Ivan Koloff was MAJORLY over back then. His title reigns with the Russians were way past his prime, though.

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  61. It still just seems weird to me, he also mentioned when talking about Jericho's recent career that, "Guys like me, no disrespect, but I can't see if I came back me doing any favors."


    Steve's podcast fucking rules

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  62. Yes, because me thinking that WWE is at the very least acceptable these days is totally the same as WCW1987 thinking that TNA is thriving. YEP!!

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  63. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 8:47 AM

    Why does Mark Madden get a vote in the first place? Maybe it's just me, but any Hall of Fame that allows Mark Madden to submit a ballot should be discredited as thoughtcrime.

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  64. "Well you know, wrestling, and things of that nature, you know, it's, you know" x5000000

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  65. Something, something, Tear in his eye, something...

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  66. There seems to be too much anger overall about a totally fictional hall of fame about a fake sport. With that said, Yes, Sting should be in. One of the most iconic names of the 80's and 90's.

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  67. Both are equally insane.

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  68. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 8:50 AM

    His logic astounds me as well. Lesnar's tenure is even shorter than Punk's, yet he supports his inclusion. Ivan Koloff as the greatest Russian character ever is an insult that I can't even begin to dignify.

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  69. When you get pissed at the troll the roll wins bud.

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  70. Ruined the goddamn interview with that!

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  71. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    Ivan Koloff was Boris Zukov?

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  72. I read that a couple days ago - great article

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  73. I'm so pissed about Maddens HOF ballot. Not only is it offensive to me but WHY DOES HE GET A VOTE?

    I know Dave took a few shots at Scott about one of his books and and theres some heat toward him on that board but Mark Madden having a vote and Scott Keith not having one is stupid. Of course I'm the one that should really make these kind of calls but what can you do?

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  74. Wrong Russians:
    Ivan - NWA
    Boris - AWA

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  75. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 8:52 AM

    The thing is though Mark Madden is super cool because he always calls it fake wrestling. Which shows that he's quite funny and edgy, man.

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  76. Mark Madden is still a thing? Did I wake up in 1999?

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  77. Look at his photo on the page and realize...that is the picture he chose to be his icon for his articles! He looks 105 and confused on who took his porridge.

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  78. I was stoked as fuck for the Bret/Shawn DVD and that whole time was just...Shawn is the greatest wrestler ever, maybe a top 10 promo ever, but in shoots I can't think of anyone worse at telling stories.

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  79. Wow it was a different guy. They look exactly the same though.

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  80. I have no idea why. It's outrageous.

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  81. I'm so pissed at you for posting this now I'm hearing that nicotine and tar filled throat screech about Vince Russo on Nitro in my head.

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  82. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    You definitely made me doubt myself and go check Wiki once I read that, because you're right, they do look similar.

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  83. Agreed. He's terrible.

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  84. They all look alike, AMIRITE?

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  85. He really is a wild, call em like he sees em maverick.

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  86. Not all Russians are the same person.

    Krusher Kruschev turned into Zhukov. Duh.

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  87. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    Notable quote from Madden, though: "No one I vote for ever gets in."


    That's pretty telling.

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  88. Depends, do you still have your sunshine or has it been stolen?

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  89. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    I tell ya, if last night's Raw was specifically designed to get fans to cool on Ambrose and get excited about Roman Reigns to come back and claim his rightful spot as most popular new babyface--- job well done.

    That dummy segment was a Worst of the Year candidate and then getting pinned clean by Randy Orton? Hahahaha, amazing. Throw in a month of playing Cena's wacky little buddy and honestly I'm ready for Rollins to get the win Sunday and get ready for the real feud with Reigns.

    Good god this show sucks right now. They absolutely deserve for Raw ratings to start nosediving into the low 2.0s.

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  90. huh...I just checked his facebook..I would have sworn there would have been a dog picture up there.

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  91. Only about 3 seconds of More More More have been stolen

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  92. The "medicine ball" head is Zhukov's telling feature. Ivan's head was never that... unusual.

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  93. WELL THAN, someone's a Negative Nancy!

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  94. Thanks. Now it's in my head.

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  95. So just replace Ambrose with Daniel Bryan/ He's getting buuurrriieeddd, and the sky is falling?

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  96. Why's it an insult? Ivan Koloff ended the longest WW(W)F title reign in history and was a pretty big figure in wrestling for over 20 years.

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  97. I was listening to an old Cornette interview on YT, and he mentioned how the fed didn't want people getting over, because they were selling the brand and having one over the brand hurts them overall.

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  98. Well, yeah. That's basically the root of all WWE's problems right now.

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  99. No, but it's hard to argue that Ambrose isn't getting the most reaction out of almost everyone on the roster. I don't think he was "buried", but it's clear he's not the guy they want taking the lead.

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  100. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    I've never heard his radio show but I imagine it's 4 hours a day of him calling out which pro athletes do or do not deserve his respect (gotta love the industry of old fat white racist radio hosts critiquing professional athletes), and then him oggling Pittsburgh strippers and making lame sex jokes as if his dick has actually worked since the Nitro era.

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  101. On Eddie's dvd, they had RVD and Eddie do commentary over their ladder match. Cole was there too but it had both participants.

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  102. That's the dumbest fucking logic I've ever heard.


    Hogan = huge name, biggest money for everyone.
    Austin = huge name, biggest money for everyone.


    Last I checked, a company wants to make money. Maybe I'm wrong.

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  103. I have zero problem with the Assassins going in, and its not so much koloffs inclusion (although like biff said calling him the best Russian ever is something that I don't even know where to start with) that pisses me off but in no way shape or form does he go in over sting. He was prop to move the belt to Pedro. That's it. Any heel would have done the trick. You cannot tell me drew more money than sting who worked all over the country.

    I realize warrior is never getting in the WON hof and I get why, but sting, punk, and edge? Gimmie a break.

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  104. Yeah, but they probably thought showcasing Dean the way they did yesterday was doing him a favour.

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  105. I read his articles on wrestlezone just for the laughs. They are so poorly done and all over the place. I can't believe he gets paid to write them.

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  106. I doubt that is true. Maybe they wanna make sure the wrestler is in it for the long haul first, to avoid a Brock or Lashley scenario, but come on.

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  107. Warrior should get in. I hated his politics and beliefs but for a while, he was the biggest or second-biggest wrestling star in the world.

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  108. I agree and it's just crazy that is how things are still run. Business is down, attendance is down and the network is not doing what they had hoped/thought and yet they are still running it as if they are on top of the world with more money than they can spend. Punks gone, Bryans gone...If someone is hot FUCKING RUN WITH IT AND SQUEEZE EVERY DIME OUT OF IT UNTIL THEY ARENT HOT! who gives a shit if it is or is not the guy you set out to be the guy.

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  109. The explanation was they they're making money selling the WWE brand. There's no Hogan or Austin, no one up there like that except Cena. The point was that they didn't want an issue where a departing star would create a void, so they sell the brand instead. Kinda like how SNL would sell the show instead of the individual comedians.

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  110. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    Eh, not getting buried. WWE overall has no idea how to get anyone over. Their default is to put over Orton and Cena and that's what they always end up doing. I don't think it's a concious "we hate Ambrose" thing, obviously not. It's more general incompetence and a blankey-esque reliance on the same 2-3 guys year after year. The fact that in 2014 going into 2015 we're getting set for another Randy Orton main event push is just indefensible.

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  111. Who the hell is Oscar Pistorious anyhow? Some kind of boxer?

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  112. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    Ivan Koloff was the Iron Sheik of his day with respect to the title. He only held it for 21 days, and even then it was simply to move the title onto Pedro Morales. Koloff's career was a marked decline from that point on, so much so that he was virtually a JTTS in the 1980s.

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  113. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    Olympic sprinter, I think; the guy with artificial legs.

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  114. I can almost understand that logic. No spikes mean no valleys later. Investors tend to like smooth consistent earnings.

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  115. I realized that we haven't had a predictions thread yet, and we're a little over a week away from the new quarterly earnings report. WWE will be aiming for at least 1.2 million subscribers now that the Network has launched worldwide, but...


    What will the number actually be?


    I'll kick things off and say 1.05 million.

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  116. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:08 AM

    Austin made money for WWE for 4-5 years. Same for Rock. So was it a mistake that WWE went all in with them without getting them to agree to stay there for a decade first? The obsession with only pushing guys if they're sure they'll stick around for a Randy orton or John Cena-esque 100 years has led to them having no stars other than Cena or Orton.

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  117. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    Punk's cumulative work in Ring of Honor and WWE should be considered roughly commiserate with Edge's work in WWE, at least in my estimation. Edge had a more decorated career, but Punk was arguably a bigger star in the long haul with mainstream appeal at times, which should balance the two out. Either they both get in, or neither one should get in.

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  118. Dude that runs with spatula feet.

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  119. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    It really deserves to be about half of the previous number, like 350k or so.

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  120. "Paddy's Pub: The Worst Bar In Philadelphia"

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  121. I don't care about his politics either, and he was my first favorite wrestler but I get why they won't let him in. He only really mattered from 89-92 and even then he missed some time. Plus he was a bad wrestler and while I love his promos they were...let's just say non traditional. Plus everyone bags on him for business tanking in 1990. I disagree but I can see why they won't let him in.

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  122. UFC is trying to do that by saturating the market with events that have no big names because big names cause them headaches since Dana White and Co. actually have to pay them. But now UFC isn't as big as before although MMA is now recognized as a real sport, which is huge progress.

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  123. Boooooo, fucking Price is Right

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  124. If anything, there should be a plan in place to protect guys from false accusations! Look at what happened to Chaz! Remember Chaz?!

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  125. Anyone who bids last, and does any other bid than either $1, or $1 more than one of the other 3 bids deserves to go home empty handed. That is like the #1 basic rule.

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  126. I'm glad WWE is taking a zero tolerance policy on abuse, but if their main impetus is to seem higher and mightier than the NFL...well, it's doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

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  127. I don't think the issue is with Cena or Orton (though we know that's one major reason why the product is so stale). But they've got a centralized fanbase that keeps watching no matter who is there. That consistency is what they're trying not to offend. He also brought up how that's true with WM partially being made up of a bunch of guys who people remember, not really a lot of new guys that could carry the ball.

    I'm not doing Cornette's points justice (and TBH, I don't agree with him on a lot of things, wrestling or otherwise), but it made a compelling point and does give a valid excuse as to why they haven't tried to make new stars.

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  128. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    But that's all it is, it's an excuse.

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  129. I miss Bayless.

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  130. With worldwide subscribers included? Because WWE is aiming for 1.2 mil on the notion that the worldwide numbers have kicked them up. If they were simply announcing the domestic number next week, they'd be properly fucked, I would imagine.

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  131. Even on the day he was beating Hogan, Hogan was still the bigger star.

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  132. Punk yes, Edge no. Punk had more of an impact in his time in WWE. No one chants for Edge to return and when he left, it was sad but he was all but forgotten in a week. Don't get me wrong...I enjoyed Edge but he doesn't strike me as one of the all-time greats. Punk doesn't either but of the two, I think Punk had more of a presence and was a better worker.

    Edge always seemed like a placeholder champion.

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  133. Yep, and Wrestlemania always sells out months before even 1 match is announced, so it's kind of working. Hell, even back in the early 90's, the moment a house show was announced within 3 hours of driving, me and my friends were 100% going, before we even knew the card. The brand is a powerful thing.

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  134. Also punk is an all time elite worker which is enough to go into the hall of fame on alone. They put Benoit in the hall of fame in 2003. Punks not Benoit but he's elite enough that combined with his mic skills, all the merch he sold, the fact that he headlined house show tours, and his 435 day reign (that's 414 days longer than Koloff) make him a slame dunk IMO. I think Dave is voting for him too.

    Edge, I'd vote for him too. Huge for 10 years, and carried the smackdown brand, and had some of the most important matches in history.

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  135. I think we'll do 892,126. It'll be interesting to see if the worldwide gain can make up for the people who decided not to subscribe anymore.

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  136. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:14 AM

    How psyched is everyone for the latest upcoming Randy Orton main event push??!? I know it's bombed like 10 times already, as recently as last year's historically bad run in which fans were chanting for Orton's PPV matches to stop and he drew a record low Survivor Series buyrate... but this one is gonna be huge, right?

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  137. Fair enough. It just felt that growing up, when you talked to kids about wrestling in the schoolyard, it was Hogan 1-A and Warrior 1-B. That's how massive Warrior was in popularity.

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  138. IMO Koloff is THE prototypical placeholder champion.

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  139. It's like being cornered in the showers by JBL - best to let it run its course.

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  140. I don't know, Ambrose is pretty damn over, and this was WWE's doing, due to a super strong and consistant push for the past 2-3 years or so. You truly believe he's on a downfall due to ONE Raw match? Keep in mind that very often, the winner of a big PPV match loses the previous Raw. At least wait until the PPV.

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  141. He really wasn't. I love Warrior, but his title reign was a flop and he was never the top guy. He doesn't get into the Hall on any criteria.

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  142. Fuck that! I'm kicking and screaming for help if JBL approaches me in the shower!

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  143. Listening to Observer Radio, and while I occasionally enjoy his super-passionate attitude, this episode has me pretty well convinced that Bryan Alvarez could be the most obnoxious person in the world.

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  144. OH MY GOD, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAACE

    http://www.rickey.org/renee-zellweger-reveals-new-face-elle-women-hollywood-awards-photo/270305/

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  145. And his career was way too short (despite name recognition) compared to the other guys already in.

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  146. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    Why is it that every time a face loses, it means they're trying to fan their heat? Why can't they be telling a story and building to a big victory?

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  147. Basically any heel could have done that. Also he was by far the worst of the Russians in the nwa. He was basically Nikkitas manager.

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  148. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 9:18 AM

    You have to consider some things about Edge. His singles' runs as WWE Champion weren't all that significant, but he was a much stronger World Heavyweight Champion and had some memorable moments in that guise. But he's perhaps the most decorated and accomplished tag team wrestler in the history of the business, having forged two of the top teams from the last decade and further winning another tag title with Hulk Hogan to boot. His versatility and his in-ring work should qualify him for inclusion.

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  149. Does anyone know, is the worldwide Network as fucked up as the Canadian version?

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  150. TBF, it hasn't been one match. Rollins has gotten the better of him in most of their encounters (I get the Raven/Dreamer-type storyline, but still).

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  151. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:18 AM

    "No one chants for Edge to return"


    Possibly because they understand that a return would potentially paralyze the poor bastard, which he explained in his retirement speech.

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  152. Koloff's LONG career is HoF worthy, IMO, but if you ask me to choose him over Sting... Nah, can't do it. Although I bet his main event runs with Bruno did make at least as much money as anything Sting did.

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  153. Yeah, his reign flopping wasn't his fault, but that doesn't mean he's a HoFer because of it.


    He basically had two or three good years, then coasted on the nostalgia of people (like me) who grew up with him and remember him as being bigger than he was.

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  154. I think you're not giving Ivan much respect. His time in the NWA with Nikita was past his prime, but he was over in the 70s/early 80s.

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  155. Then why does a guy like Jericho get in? Great worker, sure...but was he ever a draw? Or the top guy? Not really. And in wrestling fame and history, who really was a bigger star and legend?

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  156. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 21, 2014 at 9:20 AM

    The Olympic blade runner. One of the biggest names from the 2012 Games

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  157. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 21, 2014 at 9:21 AM

    I wasn't watching last night, so I can't speak to any perceived burial or cooling off. I will say that Sunday should go a long way towards determining how confident they are in letting Ambrose run with the character. Sometimes, I think that the Creative Team's burnout and non-wrestling background mitigates the natural talents of the wrestlers, which then gets construed as 'burials' or 'cooling off', when the opposite desire may be intended.

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  158. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:21 AM

    I don't think he's on the downfall, but it's pretty obvious that Orton's about to turn face and leapfrog ahead of him, which is just insane and exemplifies everything wrong about WWE the last 5 years or so. What's the point of a Randy Orton main event push? He had his millionth try on top last year and it bombed to a historic degree. He cuts god awful promos, draws legit "shut up and get off TV" heat, and yet.... gotta put him over Ambrose again so we can build to that main event title feud. It's nuts.


    And again, I know you say it's one match and nothing matters, but that's an awful way to treat their (ever dwindling) audience. Let things matter. If you're serious about pushing Ambrose then be fucking serious about it and have him win these matches. Otherwise it just keeps reinforcing to the crowd that nothing matters, we don't care what you want, here's Cena and Orton and that's what you get for the next 10 years.

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  159. You could argue Edge as being one of the few actual difference makers of his era. He CARRIED the Smackdown brand, and ratings dipped every time he was out with injury. Maybe he was never mainstream, but he's one of the few guys from the modern era who, in my opinion, actually does make sense as a Hall of Famer.

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  160. WWF1987 is an 11, threatening to break the whole damn scale... VJ is about an 8.


    There's a reason I've compared him to Elvy, minus the impersonating other posters on 411 stuff.

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  161. The money is in the chase. Now they have a cell match where Ambrose can finally try to get his revenge.



    Plus, Austin lots to Bret tons of times during his build up. Ambrose's rise reminds me a bit of that.

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  162. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 21, 2014 at 9:21 AM

    So does the domestic abuse policy mean no more Stone Cold?

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  163. He ran for the Olympics (as people have already told you), but he's a legend in South Africa. It'd be kinda like Michael Phelps killing his girl (though they take the Olympics more seriously in SA than here).

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  164. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:22 AM

    Am I the only one hoping for Orton to beat Cena on Sunday, just so we get a different Main Event from Cena-Lesnar as a result?


    I'm not saying Orton-Lesnar is an all-time great match-up, but at least it's a new main event.

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  165. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:22 AM

    Austin wasn't also losing clean to the British Bulldog.

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  166. What the fuck?!

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  167. Jericho was an elite-level worker who had a successful run on top with Shawn Michaels in 2008 and a successful media career outside of wrestling.

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  168. She was a "WWE Diva". Big difference.

    And I hope I'm joking.

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  169. He was over HUGE last time he was a face. At least give it a chance, he had some of the loudest pops night in and night out. And I'm not at all convinced he'll leapfrog in front of Ambrose either. RELAX, BUD. Deep breaths!

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  170. You're not the only one.

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  171. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 21, 2014 at 9:22 AM

    This has to be one of those spam ware fake articles.....right?

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  172. That can't be her.. WTF?? I thought she was cute the way she was.

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  173. Cause WWE sucks and never EVER EVER does anything right, EVER. (that is what I am understanding)

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  174. Jericho jumping to the 'E was one of the biggest stories in an era with a ton of stories already around them. Plus he did win the Undisputed title.

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  175. Just clock him in the jaw. If Styles could KTFO of him, I'm sure most of us could.

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  176. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    What? Why? What? Huh...?


    That's terrible.

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  177. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2801157/renee-zellweger-looks-drastically-different-elle-event.html

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  178. Um hello...Warrior had a UNIVERSITY based around his mantra of destrucity!

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  179. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    I saw it on the Daily News this morning, too. Not that that should lend it any more credence.

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  180. Huh. I completely forgot Jericho was in.


    I would imagine a lot of it has to do with his ring work. It's an oft-forgotten note every year when voting season comes around, but one of the criteria for voting is ring work. If your peers respect you as a worker and as a performer, and you've been able to consistently deliver at a top level in main events and undercard matches, that carries weight on the ballot.


    Also, you could argue Jericho was a star everywhere he went. He got over in Mexico, Japan, Smoky Mountain, ECW, WCW, WWE. And he's had insane longevity. Maybe he's not a slam dunk candidate, but I absolutely see the argument.

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  181. Scott what is your take on Punks chances assuming he never wrestles again. I'd say he's close enough to get in on work rate alone and the other stuff puts him over the top. Do you agree and do you think he should/will get in?

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  182. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    Does the successful media career outside of wrestling count towards the HoF? Should it?

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  183. I think I said 777K, based on the ads being introduced. As someone mentioned when it came up, advertisers would NOT be buying ads on the Network if there wasn't SOME growth.

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  184. He also had a commercial basically justifying robbing a blind guy, as long as you really needed the money (Or at least, that is how I understood it)

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  185. The important thing is spitting Marv.

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  186. The difference is, the fed was behind Austin in being "The Guy". They're not behind Ambrose. Ambrose is keeping the seat warm for Prison Shower Reigns.

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  187. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 21, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    So they're telling the story of Ambrose building to a big victory over Randy Orton, or are they telling the story of Randy Orton being an awesome main eventer who is next in line to feud against Brock? Based on TV right now, which of those stories do you think they were telling last night?

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  188. It does count in the criteria (which is why madden is using brocks ufc run as a point to back him up) but IMO no it probably shouldn't.

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  189. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 21, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    Honestly? I can see them both in the show I watched this morning.

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  190. That band does world tours. They are a pretty big act I believe.

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  191. That's.....well....huh.

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