Sunday, October 12, 2014

Bound For Glory 2014 Live Thread

Figured I should get this up for all of you heading to the Korakuen Hall to watch the biggest TNA event of the year live (bell time is 5:30am EST).

The card as it stands now:
  • The Great Muta and Tajiri vs James Storm and The Great Sanada
  • Samoa Joe vs Low Ki vs Kaz Hayashi
  • Team 3D vs Abyss and Tommy Dreamer
  • Havok vs Velvet Sky
  • MVP (how does this convicted felon get into Japan!?) vs Kazmo Sakamoto
  • Ethan Carter III vs Ryota Hama
  • Manik vs Minoru Tanaka
  • Andy Wu and El Hijo del Pantera vs Jiro Kuroshio and Yusuku Kodama
Clearly a show set to blow Wrestlemania XXX out of the water in every way.

If you're still undecided, walk-up tickets are still available for around $23.

463 comments:

  1. Ok, knowing somewhat how you are, I'm sensing sarcasm but, man, I was there live for Mania 30 and it was just so great. I guess thanks for reminding me of the memories.

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  2. CruelConnectionNumber2October 12, 2014 at 1:12 AM

    who wastes a plane ticket on Velvet Sky, arguably the worst wrestler on the roster? Why isn't the ultra-talented Asian babyface female working Japan?

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  3. Because Gail Kim isn't sleeping with Bully Ray would be my guess.

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  4. So this is the biggest PPV of the year but the previous TV show was main-evented by Hardyz Vs Dudleyz Vs Wolves in a TLC match for the tag titles. Does anybody else see the problem with expecting people to pay $40 for this show?

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  5. Does this draw even 5000 PPV buys? This isn't even a friends and family show.

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  6. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 12, 2014 at 2:13 AM

    I bet the HITC live thread gets more comments than this PPV gets buys.

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  7. CruelConnectionNumber2October 12, 2014 at 2:18 AM

    This is probably a sold show, which means it will actually make the company money unlike their U.S. PPVs.

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  8. MaffewOfBotchamaniaOctober 12, 2014 at 3:04 AM

    The negativity towards TNA on here is weird sometimes.

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  9. According to 2ch, the place is packed. Sounds like this should come across well on TV.

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  10. Kourakuen Hall is on the fifth floor of a multipurpose building. They are apparently making fans take the elevator, so it's taking a ridiculously long time getting everyone in.

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  11. Commentors seem to believe that AJ is coming.

    For those that wish to drink from the firehose:

    http://bintan.ula.cc/test/read.cgi/kanae.2ch.net/wres/1410928133/

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  12. To be fair it is pretty shite

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  13. The locals appear to be digging the show.

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  14. Samoa Joe retains his X-Division title.

    Here's a shot of the crowd, in case you've never experience Kouraken Hall for the shitty venue that it is:

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzvMosRCYAAfb2N.jpg

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  15. Because how can you sleep while this is going on?

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  16. Where is everyone at? This is like the TNA of live threads.

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  17. The Ghost Of Meekin's MoobsOctober 12, 2014 at 5:34 AM

    Even SSW would be embarrassed to film there

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  18. It is the TNA of live threads. he biggest show of their year, can't you tell?

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  19. TNA fanboys tell me, is there a single match on this biggest show of the year that wold be considered big enough to main event Impact?

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  20. Main event time!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzviqJYCcAAzFpD.jpg

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  21. Pretty negative place in general. (I'm guilty of it too, not pointing fingers)

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  22. kbwrestlingreviewsOctober 12, 2014 at 5:46 AM

    The Muta tag should be good. Ignore the fact that Muta appeared once on Impact about three months ago and that's the end of the match's build.

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  23. Apparently this is a huge improvement on normal Wrestle-1 crowds:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzvMlvaCIAAKL8K.jpg

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  24. I'm attended indy shows without a single named wrestler on the card with a more impressive crowd.

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  25. It's big enough to be a huge deal in Tokyo, which is what it needs to be right now.

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  26. Better than this?
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzvMlvaCIAAKL8K.jpg

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  27. kbwrestlingreviewsOctober 12, 2014 at 5:57 AM

    Muta's tag would be, if you don't mind it barely being mentioned for three months that is.

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  28. Muta and Tajrir vs Sanada and Storm isn't the main event?

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  29. Sorry, you are correct.

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  30. I question WWF1987's fandom since he isn't here. Were all bigger TNA fans than he is.

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  31. If he were there, he'd be too intently focused on the show to post about it in real time.

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  32. I've thought the same thing and just assumed he still had friends over there — probably including Vince — and he didn't want to put his hands on that.

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  33. "The semi and main were bullshit, but at least the crowd was into it."

    Yep, that's our TNA!

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  34. Yes.

    He knew he didn't want to burn that bridge.

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  35. The Dudleys apparently gave a pretty emotional speech.

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  36. When I clicked on this page I assumed all the comments world be from him.

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  37. It looks like a hotel conference room.

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  38. Have to say I'm kinda blown away people are active right now. I'm only up cause my son had an early practice. BoD must be more international than I thought.

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  39. About 1800 people just did.

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  40. How can you sleep when the Dudleys are making the most famous speech since Terry Funk yelled "FOREVER!" 183 times?

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  41. Because otherwise the WWF could put it on someone else and say they won it in Rio.

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  42. Hah. Fair enough. Did you watch online? PPV? Or are you over there?

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  43. NOAH ran a show in Yokohama at the same time. It will be interesting to see which one got a higher attendance.

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  44. Just following along on 2ch and any Twitter feeds that I can find.

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  45. zanadude can you post the results please??

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  46. I don't know them myself! Stupid Japanese don't post results, they just make comments like:

    "The main event was going so badly I thought 'Oh, 3D will probably run in here!', so I LOLed when it happened. I wonder if that was an ad-lib?"

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  47. Seems like the TNA talent went out of the way to appeal to the Japanese crowd. Wonder how their enthusiasm will play out with the US PPV audience.

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  48. My girlfriend and best friend's wife are going to the farmer's market, so my best friend and I are gonna make an enormous breakfast, drink beer and play as much video games as his hopefully sleeping baby will allow us.

    Don't know what anyone else's excuse is.

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  49. Results:

    Minoru Tanaka defeated Manik

    Ethan Carter III defeated Ryota Hama

    MVP defeated Kazma Sakamoto

    Samoa Joe defended the the X-Division Championship against Low Ki and Kaz Hayashi.

    Team 3D defeated Abyss and Tommy Dreamer

    HAVOK defended TNA Knockouts Championship against Velvet Sky

    Great Muta & Tajiri defeated James Storm & The Great Sanada.

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  50. Well, this live thread was a disaster. Looks like I won't be running with any other US PPVs in Japan any time soon.

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  51. How is Joe these days?

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  52. Man, catching up on Austin's podcast. Listening to his talk with JR. JR's rant on a needed for real heels, and having enforced rules the heel can break to make a clear line between the bad guy and the good guy is so true.

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  53. Over with the Japanese. Can't say for sure any more than that.

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  54. Man, I was a big fan of his. Just haven't been into TNA for a couple years. I've read around these parts that he's slowed a bit.

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  55. Didn't Austinnow/McMahon destroy that paradigm?

    The guy that breaks the rules is the guy that gets cheered, because the bad guys make the rules now.

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  56. He means in a match. Heels would cheat all the time against Austin.

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  57. To add to cultststus's point, McMahon kept making rules to stack the deck against Austin.

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  58. Yeah but I'm thinking back then heels would choke Austin to a 4 count, or a McMahon would low bridge Austin coming towards the ropes causing him to fall out of the ring and then get removed from ringside.

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  59. Good! It's good to see people turned out for this. As popular as it is to hate on TNA, the wrestlers deserve to perform in front of a big crowd once in a while.

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  60. Catching up on WTF, Episode 500, Marin calling brother.

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  61. Just remember it's TNA's fault, not yours.

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  62. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ4M-5VgkUI

    Such a great, easy, old school angle.

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  63. Main eventing Impact... well, considering TNA, I could see 3D/Dreamer + Abyss or Muta + Tajiri/Storm + Sanada in that spot. With the X-Div Triple Threat a dark horse.


    But yeah, this card was weak. Nowhere near as bad as it was looking 4-6 weeks ago, but still barely better than an Impact.

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  64. Because Gail isn't with the company right now? (Hence why she lost the KO title recently.)

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  65. Enforcing rules is all JR goes on about on his podcast. I've stopped listening to it now

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  66. Just because they've helped given you a "career" doesn't mean they're worthy of much praise...


    :)

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  67. Easy. I didn't fall asleep until 2 AM local, and had to be at work for 9. (It's almost 9:20 now)

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  68. Re-watching some of the Benoit newscasts after his death. It's pretty much all STEROIDS STEROIDS STEROIDS with no mention of brain injuries.

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  69. By the way, what's the thinking on the Richards/Ehrhoff deal you offered? Just curious, before I make my final decision.


    (Also, ESPN needs to make something more obvious, like a nice-sized "YOU HAVE A TRADE OFFER!" somewhere on the page. I only noticed it by accident yesterday afternoon.)

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  70. Sir William was Bill Dundee, right? Wonder why they replaced him with Jeeves around this time?

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  71. It is towards all wrestling on here. You aren't really allowed to like wrestling here on this mostly wrestling site.

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  72. Yep. A mere seven years later, that narrative would be totally different and much more accurate today.

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  73. You aren't allowed to like "modern" wrestling. Just a bit of a difference there... just a little.

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  74. Slight threadjack: Looks like starting Wednesday, they're going back to uploading Raws from 1995...picking up with 8/14 & 8/21/95.

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  75. I imagine he stays locked in a padded room just saying, "MELTZER WRONG AGAIN! HE HAS NO SOURCES! ONE MILLION VIEWERS A WEEK! TNA IS FIIIIIIIIIINE!"

    Then they let him out of the straight jacket to post here for a few hours a day. I believe at least 70% of the reason he keeps coming back is because he uses his tears from the TNA bashing to jerk off with. The guy is a loon and completely uncredible.

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  76. They only had to go around to another country as a novelty act to achieve it. TNA should just stay in Japan. They are WAY more popular than WWE there.

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  77. How huge is it?

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  78. And time limits...I still listen as long as he has a guest I think will be interesting. I just have to FF to about the 21 minute mark.

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  79. Damn, I don't even think that poorly of John Edwards. Usually.

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  80. This is why I'd say its a bad idea to take Wrestlemania overseas.

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  81. Um...huge enough to fill Korakuen Hall?

    Wrestle-1 wasn't doing that on its own.

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  82. TJ:

    Kevin Durant out 6-8 weeks with a foot fracture

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  83. Bobby, email me at BBayless781@gmail.com for an invite to the fantasy basketball league.

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  84. Not sure that TNA deserves any praise for it. This show is almost entirely produced by Wrestle-1. All TNA is doing is slapping on a voiceover track today.

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  85. Your kicking my ass now this week

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  86. The best defense is a good offense.

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  87. With me sitting a dude who got a hat trick last night too.

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  88. Was it a bad idea taking Summerslam overseas?

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  89. Summerslam's not wrestlemania.

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  90. Uh...no. WWE pulls in many times more fans for its shows, without any help from local feds.

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  91. Everything that followed Hackenschmidt/Gotch is bullshit.

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  92. What does this have to do with an overseas WrestleMania?

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  93. Was it a bad idea taking Summerslam overseas?

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  94. In 1992 when business was good? No.

    In 2014 when you basically only make significant money with Wrestlemania? Yes.

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  95. What's the difference between filling Met Life Stadium and filling Wembley Stadium?

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  96. In fairness, WWE could probably fill it with an NXT event, MINUS KENTA/Itami, with a main event of Zack Ryder vs Heath Slater in a 60-minute Iron Man match.

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  97. I think WWF felt that airing any PPV on a tape delay was a bad idea, something they never did again. But they did make a ton of money to offset the (for the time) disappointing buyrate.

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  98. Come on, Rogers/O'Connor was nothing but legitimate.

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  99. I suupose the talent was pleased to be wrestling in a four sided ring again.

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  100. You'd have to put Wrestlemania on five hours earlier in the day, for one. You're not gonna fill Wembley between midnight and 4am.

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  101. The energy of this crowd says otherwise. The real wrestling fan in Japan has been clamoring for this. What an event! Such buzz. So nice.

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  102. They don't make all their money in ticket sales. They potentially hurt their ppv numbers by people who are unwilling to stay up to the wee hours of the morning on a Sunday night to watch.

    I dunno, just saying. I have to work, if even the pre-show only started at 10 at night, then that counts me out.

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  103. Tyson/Douglas nearly filled the Tokyo Dome at 10am on a Sunday, for Saturday nightviewing on HBO.

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  104. Okely dokely. I'll repeat that no sporting event is going to take place between midnight and 4am at Wembley stadium, for a billion reasons involving security, transport, and madness.

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  105. It doesn't matter when it airs on the network.

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  106. Hm. Yeah, I guess that's true.

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  107. Could air live from Japan.

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  108. The angle where Eaton joined with Regal was good. He offers to join Regal and gets rebuffed. So they have a match in which Eaton was pretty over as a babyface. Regal quits in the middle, Eaton has earned his respect, voila, tag team. Blue Bloods was an iffy gimmick but I enjoy both Regal and Beautiful Bobby.

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  109. Whoa, you never I'd never actually watched this before, I had no idea how blatant it was. I pictured her coming into the arena loading dock and just wordlessly dumping the belt in the trash. Didn't know they actually named the competition and acknowledged that she was Alundra Blayze. This is why Nitro was revolutionary.

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  110. So scratch Wembley Stadium then. The world is a big place with many time zones.

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  111. I think WWE's *one* successful thing right now should probably stay in the good ol' US of A. But yeah, give us all the other PPVs over here in the UK. I'm all for that.

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  112. One of those new age hippie wrestling fans, huh?

    That bullshit was responsible for the creation of the WWWF!

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  113. Maybe put WrestleMania on the back of a big truck and drive it around several places in one night.

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  114. Not nearly as pleased as the crowd was to see them all perform. Unbelievable. Every report I am hearing says this show was amazing live. This could be a real turning point for TNA as a whole. The future looks bright... Except the TV deal, however, I could see a massive success such as this really opening the eyes of some hard headed tv execs out there. I'm sure the crack production team is putting together a nice international video package to show just how popular and successful TNA is abroad and how that energy can be not only maintained, but heightened state side. A great day to be a wrestling fan for sure.

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  115. I'm sure Nancy Grace would still fuck it up.

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  116. WCW's tour of Australia in November 2000. Hot crowds every night, everyone seemed to be a superstar. Unfortunately they booked return tickets and had to come home to an unforgiving and hostile United States of America.

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  117. Sammartino's nothing more than an Eye-Talian bag of hair. Didn't we beat them up 20 years ago, why should we CHEER for one of them? At least Buddy's a good ole' American. Just like apple pie and baseball.

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  118. Hang on, let me get my psychic hat...

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  119. Bully just put a cryptic tweet. Maybe a return to the WWE?

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  120. Yeah, tbf I will listen if he has someone that hasn't been on other podcasts I listen to but that is starting to get rare.

    I skip Jericho's monologue most times too. Austin's can be interesting though.

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  121. I totally agree with JR about this. Why should we boo any of the WWE heels? Because the WWE tell us to? Most of the heels don't do anything dastardly. They tell us that someone like Bo Dallas is a heel but if he never does anything heelish besides spouting some cornball inspirational quotes then why should the fans boo him. Then they wonder why the fans cheer him ironically. Maybe if they do some simple rulebreaking then maybe the crowds would actually boo the heels rather than repeat their catchphrases.



    Bo-lieve that!

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  122. Bernier has been awful this week and I have gotten nothing from my top guys. Zidlicky is my top scorer

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  123. Nah, probably jsut still fired up about being inducted into the prestigious TNA HOF. I'm pretty sure WWF1987 has already confirmed he will be resigning with TNA long term and he has even more sources within TNA than Meltzer.

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  124. The raw energy TNA would receive from an Australian tour is something they need to seriously consider. From what I hear they are even more popular than WWE in Australia and they need to do a tour for that rabid fan base. Spud would have that crowd eating out of the palm of his hand.

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  125. The Love-Matic Grampa!October 12, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Hackenschmidt?!? That oiled-up Prussian strongman? Bah! Flimshaw!

    Besides, everyone knows Farmer Burns was the last REAL wrestler!

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  126. I think it's interesting that Kim Jung Un is apparently missing at the same time that Dixie Carter takes herself off TNA television. I would expect negotiations for TNA in North Korea are at a very, very advanced stage.

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  127. You're sounding even more delusional then 1987.

    The crowd could have been hotter then Hogan vs Rock, it doesn't suggest a bright future for TNA and it's not a barometer for saying TNA is bigger then WWE in Japan.

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  128. He's either bi-polar, or sarcastic in the positivity.


    Maybe he's trying to bring WWF1987 into the thread, by any means necessary.

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  129. Bo Dallas is a heel in the vain of a 2000 Kurt Angle. He's a goody two-shoes whose meant to get under your skin. In that role, he's very effective. He actually shouldn't be breaking the rules, because that wouldn't be his character. If anything, the faces should be breaking the rules to get at him to get cheers (AKA Stone Cold, Eddie Guerrero).



    Bo Dallas would be a lot more effective if they gave him a better story line than insulting people who lost to Rusev though. He might as well change his name to Rusev's Sloppy Seconds right now.

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  130. Another blockbuster move by Dixie. It's good to have an owner in North America who actually CARES ABOUT WRESTLING!!! The pendulum is swinging.

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  131. After all WCW did on Nitro in 1995 (the constant bashing, the "this is where the big boys play, those guys suck" comments, they tape their shows and here's who wins stuff, trashing the women's title), you can't blame WWF for taking shots back at them with the Billionaire Ted sketches... until they got too low-brow and they never actually acknowledged Eric Bischoff's existence, the man responsible.

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  132. Somebody put up the Observer live shows from around the time WCW went out of business. Pretty interesting listen.

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  133. He wants to job to the Miz for the rest of his career?

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  134. He just up voted a comment I made to make fun of him so sarcasm seems likely.

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  135. Complete trainwreck.

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  136. Dustin Harris is upset that the mainstream media did focus on anyone else who might have committed the murders.

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  137. Yeah, its almost like I'm just saying crazy over the top things to mock TNA fans or something. Weird.

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  138. Better storylines would definitely help. The NXT version of Bo Dallas was a hypocrite. He preaches all these virtuous things then he turns around and cheat behind everyone's back while denying that he would ever do such things. That's the difference between a heel and a snark favorite.

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  139. The Love-Matic Grampa!October 12, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Well, I for one refuse to believe that people would actually resort to using sarcasm on the internet. Inconceivable!

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  140. This Countdown segment on Jimmy Johnson and the Herschel Walker trade makes me even more pissed off at Jerry Jones for being completely unable to swallow his pride and keep Johnson around. No telling how many more Super Bowls we could have had.

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  141. See, I just hate the Cowboys. (And the Stars, but who cares?) If they had kept Jimmy, and not degenerated into the sometimes entertaining mess they are now, I'd hate Dallas more than New York by now.

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  142. I just wish it made sense. What does it mean for Swagger to Bo-lieve? Does Dallas have a program for Swagger or whomever to follow? He just says "You need to bo-lieve". I can see why that would be annoying, but what the christ does he MEAN? Please flesh these characters out a bit, WWE.

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  143. Business is much better now than it was in 1992.

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  144. The Browns are giving points? Uh oh.

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  145. Probably NJPW with Devon

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  146. Stafford or Rothlisberger?

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  147. Stafford doesn't have Megatron

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  148. Have they ever done it again?

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  149. That's what I was thinking. Think I'll go big Ben.

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  150. Jesus, the nerds surrounding Akbar Gbaja-Biamila on RedZone makes me cringe.

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  151. I've got the farm on the Patriots. Go team

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  152. Lots of action but it seems like I'm riding with Bayless for the most part this week. Which means this train is headed straight off the rails.


    I have SD -7, NE -1, GB -2.5, Jaguars +6, Cardinals -2.5, Denver -10, Carolina +7

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  153. Defending TNA is the WORST offense

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  154. I'm betting the next big overseas show we'd see would in China. That's Cena & Vince's pet project.

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  155. He would do really well there.

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  156. Fuck the Steelers!

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  157. Boy, Parks and Rec just takes a fucking dive right from the start of Season 6, they can just be cancelled now I suppose.

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  158. I honestly forgot that show was still on

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  159. Seasons 2-4 are some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen on TV, but I suppose that's a really hard standard to keep up for long.

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  160. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 12, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    I had to find out the hard way that my new ISP has stuck a cap on my monthly usage. 250 GB a month. I don't even know if that's a lot. I've gone over by 12 GB and the billing cycle isn't even over yet.


    I guess that is a lot.

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  161. Danny Aiken is getting cut

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  162. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 12, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    What would be kind of neat (if incredibly ambitious) is to turn one Wrestlemania into a three day event in three locations. You could have shows on Friday and Saturday at locations around the world air at various times on the network, then do the traditional Sunday night in the USA. Of course, it would require splitting the roster for the three shows, but the impetus to bring back part timers for a show would at least make sense. If you had two or three big matches from each venue, used a combination of NXT or international talent on the undercard for the shows abroad then used your mid card for the American show? It'd be hard to pull off, but it would rock as a wrestling fan.

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  163. Start drive at opponents 15, fail to score.

    DOLPHINS FOOTBALL!

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  164. I wish these damn refs would figure out basic booking: use their biased call-making ability to hand the Browns some games during the season so when they job them out to their beloved Steelers it looks more impressive.

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  165. I was 2-8 the first two weeks

    9-5-1 the past three weeks

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  166. With the network, an oversea's ppv makes more sense. For a 'medium ppv' ( Say, summer slam or royal rumble) they could probably do really well at a big indoor arena.

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  167. As stupid and needlessly hateful as I thought the later Ted sketches were, I thought the refusal to acknowledge Bischoff was a great subtle (!) little way to tweak him.

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  168. The indoctrination of Eaton into the blueblood lifestyle is probably the funniest series of skits WCW did that were actually meant to be funny. Regal offering Eaton his choice of wine and Bobby asking for a bottle of Boone's Farm = high comedy.

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  169. I bet Eric REALLY wanted him to though. He probably got a lot of shit from Bischoff for not joining in.

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  170. Something bad happened to the Steelers and they didn't get a bailout call YES! YES! YES!

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  171. Dundee was gone at the very end of '94 or very beginning of '95, I think because of budget cuts (he was pulling in a road agent *and* talent salary at the same time).

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  172. Heenan said that it would just make him look bad, since he spent 9 years there.

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  173. MaffewOfBotchamaniaOctober 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    And by that I mean shitting on something before it happens. By all means, shit on it afterwards, but to shit on it pre-emptively just makes me think people WANT to hate TNA rather than enjoy the bits that are actually good and hate the rest.

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  174. The show will be airing its final season

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  175. Does anyone else think that Eddie, in his later sleazeball character, would have made a good Horseman? Maybe in the Tully role?

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  176. Bandwidth caps are ass.

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  177. Weird that Team 3D teased going after a new set of tag titles at BFG (most likely the IWGP titles since they pulled out the Bullet Club shirts). Weird that TNA would let them do that. And weird because AJ Styles said (on Jim Ross's podcast) that NJPW really hates TNA right now.

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  178. Pretty much the same pattern with me. 1st week I got murdered in pick em and in bets. 2nd week, killed in pickem, broke even on bets. Since then things have mostly stabilized and I had a pretty big week 4 to cancel out the early season failings but I'm still wary.

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  179. How is Tampa Bay this bad? Does Jon Gruden watch these games with his pants down?

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  180. "Yep Mode" ABeyAnce1©October 12, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Is, is it over?

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  181. Especially when discussing THIS BUSINESS! This isn't fun and games. It's a way of life.

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  182. Not sure how well his calves would translate to a non-american audience.

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  183. So glad I sat Steve Smith this week since apparently he isn't going to catch one of the 500 tds Flacco plans on throwing today.

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  184. "Yep Mode" ABeyAnce1©October 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    Wonder if there will be a replay tonight?

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  185. Famous last words

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  186. Tampa Bay is just garbage.

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  187. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 12, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    I like you in theory, brah... but stuff like this challenges that theory

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  188. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieOctober 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Stop, stop, they're already dead!

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  189. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Cleveland girls are the best to date... they don't expect a ring

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