Monday, October 27, 2014

Monday Night Open Mic

What a Network special the WWE had last night. It was almost as boring as RAW. I was probably a little hard on the main event because the ending suck. The brawling that Ambrose and Rollins did was perfectly acceptable.

Otherwise Dolph-Cesaro was pretty good and the stream kept up for me all night so you take the small victories.

Unfortunately pretty good seems to be the max for the promotion these days. There is a maddening lack of great matches coming from the WWE in the last few months. Even Cena, who is always good for at least one or two four-star type matches a year hasn't had the ability to showcase that. His match with Cesaro a while back was excellent and otherwise he's been stuck in that middle-ground area working with Wyatt and Orton.

Right now to be honest I'd  worry less about the programs and angles if the match work was really good. Everyone seems to be settled in their little area though -- good enough for me not to hate it but no one striving to be great in the ring. I miss that motivation. I miss the unspoken (and sometimes spoken) feud that guys like Hart-HBK had with each other to have the best match on the card if just out of spite. And later with guys like Kurt Angle. That's why we miss Bryan and Punk. No one's striving to be great anymore or they are afraid to be great.

Oh well. It happens.

TV Tonight:

RAW
MNF (Cowboys vs. Washington)
Wild-Rangers & Canadiens-Oilers are the NHL Matchups.
An HBO Documentary on James Brown that my husband will be all over.
Gotham, The Voice, Two Broke Girls, etc. etc.

Enjoy the show and come out swinging but remember to keep it clean!

1,008 comments:

  1. I'm rooting for Washington Professional Football Team tonight to net me some cash. I expect to be sorely disappointed.

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  2. The the couple years I've been back into watching Raw I've not been as apathetic about catching it as I have the past couple weeks. Last night did nothing to change this. I will be DVRing and fastforwarding through most ..if not all of it tomorrow.

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  3. Awful night. I really don't want to watch more weak NFC East football with the Sioux

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  4. The ending for last night's PPV just continues to get panned across the board. The tail end of Bill Simmons' latest podcast just trashes that ending and the current product, in general.

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  5. This is why monopolies are bad, m'kay.

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  6. Redskins at +410? Hmmm.....*thinking about how much I hate the cowboys*

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  7. Tonight should be worth a view just to see how they explain the whole Wyatt thing. Then we can all have a fun time shitting all over it. I expect Rollins to beat Cena through nefarious means, but make no mistake the show ends with Cena standing tall. Cena will step in and pick up where Anbrose left off and just continue that feud as if it was his all along.

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  8. Us wrestling fans have really gotten to see that play out to one of its worst possible conclusions.

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  9. Waste of good disk space. If anything important happens, Hulu* will have it.

    * Or some other online medium.

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  10. I remember a time when they actually realized that we were tired of having our intelligence insulted.

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  11. You talking about the King Mabel years?

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  12. So people aren't excited about BrayderTaker?

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  13. I still can't believe they ended the match like that...seriously wtf was that?

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  14. I cant even think of one explanation Bray could have that would work for me. I am just all swerved out.

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  15. Did you know: more people were killed by Redskins than Ebola.R

    And more people were killed by cowboys than Redskins.

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  16. Ambrose is clearly out of his mind and needs saving?

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  17. They had viable competition back then.

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  18. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Does Ambrose become a Bray follower after jobbing out? I could see that.

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  19. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 27, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    No but VJ clearly told us it was fine.

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  20. Just reiterating the fact that wrestling is nothing but filter. Like an NBA basketball game, nothing but the ending is of any consequence.

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  21. Almost a year to the day after the last time they tried that? Sure, if they haven't learned their lesson at all, why not?

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  22. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    What do you expect them to explain, exactly?

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  23. Could they pick a worse match up? A rebuilt Bray needing to get some legitimacy vs. their most over non-cena face who just got screwed out of his revenge. Either Vince has a hard on for jobbing out Bray or Ambrose is headed down the ladder.

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  24. At least you could bet on the basketball games.

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  25. Does this mean Dean gets the title at Mania?

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  26. Why Bray couldn't just voodoo magic Vince?

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  27. I expect Bray to ramble for about 15 minutes on why he screwed over THE LUNATIC FRINGE!

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  28. You can bet on wrestling too

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  29. But he's already been the US Champion.

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  30. Yeah in some places, but the max bet is 40 bucks and you can't do parlays and shit. But you could bet some money on them now for sure.

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  31. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 27, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    But not the IC champ!

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  32. Guys guys guys. Don't watch Raw, then tomorrow you can tell everyone who watched it how wrong they were for thinking it was terrible and tell them that everything you didn't see wasn't as bad as they thought it was because you are guessing the wrestling was "acceptable" and lol you silly smarks.

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  33. Its very possible they will just job bray to Ambrose.

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  34. It's funny Dean is right where Bray was last year..way over but needing to beat some top level guys and now he is likely to get jobbed out to Bray in an attempt to bring Bray back from to some note.

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  35. Ah right that would make sense. Not sure how it is in the UK but I remember hearing some dude lost a small fortune betting on the Streak at Mania this year

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  36. Also, make sure to tell everyone how much it "saddens" you that people can't just enjoy the product. And always always always divert attention from the fact that you didn't watch the show by calling whoever calls you out on it a "sad" person. Maybe even throw in a, " that really seems to bother you for some reason." As if not watching what you're commenting on is the most normal thing in the world.

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  37. TPrincess is right on the money when she speculates on wrestlers being "afraid to be great." WWE has done all they can to beat the spirit and originality out of most of the roster. Just a bunch of guys walking around on egg shells memorizing lines from a script syllable for syllable, terrified to deviate even slightly from said script. I'd also argue that this isn't just a "Vince is old" thing. I'd argue HHH and (more so) Stephanie are just as guilty of wanting everyone to be subservient to the WWE machine. The ironic thing being that the WWE machine was built on guys that had absolutely no fear of being great.

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  38. Seriously though, how has that managed to elude the hammer?

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  39. Up vote for words 4-6 in your post. Yeah definitely agree, that shit yesterday was unacceptable.

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  40. So Colt McCoy v. Tony Romo, or Raw after an awful PPV...? I'm torn.

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  41. Spot on, TPrincess.

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  42. Guys guys guys. Watch RAW, complain about every single segment, and then come back next week to repeat the process.

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  43. Cowboys will fall to shit at some point, might as well be tuned in if it starts tonight?

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  44. Ambrose is nuts and Bray wants to save him. Would explain the Harper/Rowan vignettes too

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  45. I just read the comments, I sure seem to have struck a nerve for DARING to think that WWE isn't the worst product of all time. :)

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  46. You're not daring to think anything. You don't watch the shows, you know it's shit. You're just a lazy bore.

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  47. I would bet a million dollars that happens.

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  48. It also means Reigns turns heel and starts wearing atrocities against fashion.

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  49. I don't like the product either and haven't consistently enjoyed it since 'Mania, but if it was causing me as much pain as it seems to cause most of the people on here, I wouldn't bother watching at all.

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  50. I don't have a master's in cults or anything but people don't usually set their followers free. People really don't line up to join cults, ya know

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  51. I shouldn't have watched the show last night but I did anyways.

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  52. People in cults should try to recruit people, also. Bray's character is so useless if you think about it at all.

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  53. He's quite the lazy cult leader.

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  54. Wasn't part of the Cena feud that Wyatt wanted him to join the dark side? It's hard to tell with Bray's "style without substance" promos.

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  55. Yeah looks like they're giving him a bit of a reboot, hopefully he'll have some clear goals this time

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  56. So, maybe... just maybe... it's not causing people that much pain? Maybe fans bitch and then get over it? Nah.

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  57. He isn't very good, either. He only had two followers.

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  58. At this point, I am just expecting Brock to murder Cena, Seth then comes out with the briefcase, hands it to HHH, finger poke, new champion.

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  59. "I miss the unspoken (and sometimes spoken) feud that guys like Hart-HBK had with each other to have the best match on the card if it just out of spite. And later with guys like Kurt Angle."


    I'd say that spirit is alive and well on nxt, where it feels like Neville, Zayn, and Breeze, and Charlotte have that competition in them. The thing that stinks is that at the end of the day, nxt is triple a baseball, and the real reward is moving up to Raw. Sigh. At least that December show sounds MUST SEE (all caps)

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  60. Raven had about 10 flock members at its height, right? That one made more sense to cause he recruited guess more likely to join a group like that. Why would Cena ever join?

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  61. Yeah, the Wyatt Family was a perfect way to use jobbers who had nothing better to do. Plus, the more members, the better Bray looks as a leader.

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  62. Writers' Division News:

    For one week only, Matt Perri and I are swapping. He's on the West Coast, so his Raw recap will be up late. I will return with Main Event.

    Hopefully you treat him well.

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  63. Yeah I think I might watch this James Brown doc myself.

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  64. Vince Jordan.

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  65. You're gonna end up recapping it here, aren't you?

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  66. Or you can .... you know... just bitch about it like you always do.

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  67. Cults also don't jump up to help the establshment the way Bray has repeatedly helped out The Aithority. It makes no sense on so many levels.

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  68. I'm sorry to hear that. If it helps they will probably hang around just long enough to get your hopes up, then crush your spirit. That's what they do to me most weeks

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  69. I'm watching Survivor Series 07 right now and Jim Ross sounds like an awful drunken parody of himself and its still 10 million times better than the current line up.

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  70. Doesn't seem like it from reading the RAW thread every week. Certainly not the "getting over it" part anyway.

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  71. That's the money line? The skins have a punchers chance. Plus 410 is crazy

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  72. That's the PPV with the really good Shawn/Orton match, right?

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  73. You're going to be purposely ignorant then? Cool, man. Keep on being you.

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  74. Oh yes they do, they just don't know it's a cult at the time.

    See also: Rib, Mcwhich

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  75. Will the Cult of Colt be better than Wyatts cult? Tune into nitro to find out

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  76. I was there for that show live. I think it's 2nd to Mania XXX, as one of the best live shows I ever attended. Fun show overall

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  77. I think so. Although the one at cyber slam was good, it just had no finish. I haven't seen this show in awhile.

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  78. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 27, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Do you get the chick also?


    Probably not.

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  79. You know CO, since Wrestlemania, they've said you've changed. And maybe you have. You've become uncaring. You've become a very proficent brown-noser! I think you've changed for the better. But I don't need the WWE that gives me cowboy hats, or who's wife bakes me cookies. Or strums a guitar and sings to me. THATS NOT WHAT I NEED CO! You know what I need? You know what I NEED!? I NEED THE OLD WWE! I NEED THE WWE THAT'S A BEER SWILLING FOUL MOUTH SOB! I NEED THE OLD WWE THAT DON"T TAKE NO SHIT FROM NOBODY! GIVE ME A STUNNER DAMNIT!

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  80. I really enjoyed the miz vs punk vs Morrison opener. That was fun, especially watching it 7 years later.

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  81. Punk had at least three.

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  82. He's very good at recruiting children's choirs, ghosts, and people with cell phone lights!

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  83. Ambrose vs Wyatt could be cool. But there is also a very real chance is ends up at 1994 Undertaker levels of corny.

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  84. Hello my fellow support group members

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  85. Yo, it really was! Match really shocked me. To me, HBK vs Randy Orton on that PPV is one of the best matches I ever seen live. I never seen the televised version so I'm not if it holds up but seeing Shawn Michaels work a match like that was real awesome.

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  86. He took a clean pin the Raw before

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  87. Roh row for Ziggles...speaking out on the part-time guys = job duty/losing the title tonight.

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  88. Most would've preferred a clean pin.

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  89. If it was still Rollins going over, I very much doubt that.

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  90. If people were given a choice..A) Rollins pins Ambrose clean or B) The lights go out, a hologram shows up, Bray interferes, and Rollins pins Ambrose, I'd say most would pick A.

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  91. Indeed :D! My favorite Shawn Michaels match I've seen live and I saw him against Ric Flair. That match is definitely the perfect example of a great television match because of close ups and cuts. Not so much live.

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  92. Where's kbjone? I think he's the only one who can consistently troll the trolls. It's a pain in the ass to read people who come here, disagree with everything Scott says, hurl insults at the BoD at large, and then tell people how to behave as fans.

    From a recent study:
    “Ultimately, the allure of trolling may be too strong for sadists, who
    presumably have limited opportunities to express their sadistic
    interests in a socially-desirable manner.”

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  93. Head to State College, PA...you'll find one there.

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  94. It's already well on its way there.

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  95. I think the issue is everyone thought this was going to be the blowoff for the Rollins/Ambrose feud and it turned out to be an elaborate gimmick match with an ending that starts a brand new feud. Rollins/Ambrose isn't over yet but once people saw Hell in a Cell, they thought this was the blowoff. After last night, I think Mania is the blowoff for Rollins/Ambrose.

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  96. I'm usually pretty negative, and in fairness I didn't see HITC, but...I don't know, what if Ambrose vs Bray is great? What if the angle last night was the kickoff to one of the greatest feuds of all time?


    I personally doubt it, but it is within the realm of possibility. The fact that the ended a ppv with Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, and Bray Wyatt is a still a good thing.

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  97. I wonder how many elimination matches Survivor Series will have this year? I hope the answer is all of them.

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  98. "The torment of human frustration, whatever its immediate cause, is the
    knowledge that the self is in prison, its vital force and "mangled mind"
    leaking away in lonely, wasteful self-conflict."

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  99. kbjone was around earlier. He upvoted some of my posts about Vince Jordans trolling earlier.

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  100. Did you see where the Alabama booster club paid off Saban's house and let's him live there for free? They have Penn State beat

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  101. I was hoping they'd have a blowoff TLC match for the briefcase at, well, TLC

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  102. Do they even consider it Big 4 anymore?

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  103. "Colt McCoy" is actually a pretty good name for a plucky World Class or Crockett babyface, no?

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  104. See, I don't know if I thought it was going to be the blowoff, persay, but I certainly would've preferred that if they were going to have someone run in, at least have it make sense in the storyline. (Other than Kane. I'll gladly take Bray over Kane.)

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  105. I think MITB is viewed as a bigger PPV than SS these days. By us fans anyway, not sure about management.

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  106. They usually have 1 match for it these days

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  107. I think what's nice is Ambrose looks different enough from Wyatt, while at the same time not being some big huge built guy like Cena, where I believe Wyatt can kick the crap out of him believably.

    Also lets keep in mind that last night we had a WWE PPV ME headlined by someone not named Cena, Triple H, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, or Kane.

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  108. Love me some elimination matches. WWE does great multi-man matches.

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  109. Fantasy Booking:


    Survivor Series Team Rollins vs Team Orton. It'd be interesting seeing how they pick teams and they can blur face/heel alliegence

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  110. Ehhh...Alabama didn't cover up child rape then defend their hero who could have done something about it...Still it's bad...It's bad in Tallahassee too

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  111. They don't even have enough guys on the roster for more than 1, maybe 2 (plus a divas one)

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  112. Definitely given the buys it generates.

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  113. Team Rollins (Rollins, Kane, Bray, Cesaro, Miz) vs. Team Orton (Orton, Ambrose, Cena, Ziggler, Sheamus)

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  114. A win for AndyPG.

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  115. Bama has tons of terribleness in their history so I guess it's a matter of degrees. I'd say it's bad at all the big time programs.

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  116. Orton: My Dad, His Dad, himself, and Johnny Ace

    Rollins: Both bash em's, himself, and the CEO of the company that makes his hair dye.

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  117. I feel the same way. 2006 was the last time I felt they took the gimmick seriously.

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  118. This year the eliminations will be real, to defray Network startup costs.

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  119. SS 2008 had Team Batista vs. Team Orton, which felt like a big deal since it was two legitimate main eventers.

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  120. THE LUNATIC FRINGE!!!

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  121. Yeah I wanted the blowoff but I had a feeling they were drawing this out even further. I was really hoping they had Kane come out in costume and tear the door down like the first HIAC match but Ambrose thwarts the interference and still wins.

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  122. I was thinking Orton/Cena/Big Show/Mark Henry/??? vs Rollins/Rusev????


    If Roman Reigns is ready it'd be GREAT to see Orton & Rollins both try to get him on their team.



    I'd prefer giving Ambrose & Wyatt a 1 on 1, and keeping Ambrose away from Rollins until its time for a blowoff.

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  123. At least that would complete the parody that they're making themselves into

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  124. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 27, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    The news of Benedict Cumberbatch as Dr. strange just gave me a semi.

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  125. Michael Cole just called last night "spectacular." I'm glad one person liked it.

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  126. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 27, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    What about Vince Jordan?

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  127. I think in the midst of all the online backlash over last night's PPV, people are forgetting that Seth, even as a slimy chickenshit heel, needs some degree of protection as the MITB-holder and seemingly the Authority's favourite new guy. Ambrose was protected in his loss, he has a fresh feud with another promising young star, and Seth officially got the victory, but needed help to win and looks like an even bigger dick than he did before.

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  128. Cena and Orton stole the show after an hour, NERD

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  129. Rollins, Kane, Orton, Wyatt, Lesnar vs. John Cena, Ambrose, Reigns, Jericho, RVD

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  130. Good feud or not it kicked off with an angle employing creole magic benedictine monk holographic teleportation.

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  131. Well...it was the first time a Hell in a Cell match started like that, no?

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  132. It went against everything he was hoping to see, but hey! Opinions change! How convenient.

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  133. I'm honestly happy Ambrose didn't get buried and doesn't go back to midcard treadmill hell. That said it could have been much better.

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  134. Man, I really don't remember that match.

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  135. Maybe they'll put the belt on Hogan tonight.

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  136. Your my new favorite poster.

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  137. There's got to be a middleground between what you want to see and outright terrible.

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  138. Wasn't a particularly good match. Orton won.

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  139. I like you too.

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  140. You just gave Michael Xavier a boner.

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  141. When the exact opposite of what you wanted to see happens and you jump up to say how much you enjoyed it and everyone is wrong for saying it is no good, then you're just being an ass.

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  142. Cena vs. Rollins tonight? Good thing he suffered that devastating loss in the contract on a pole match!

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  143. Maybe Hogan will job to a Bray Wyatt hologram to get the hologram some heat.

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  144. WWE is going to start building up a PPV they don't care about. In other words, it's like every 10 out of 12 months of the year.

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  145. Good point. I'm in the mildly disappointed camp. It's a throwaway PPV, no sense getting pissed like if they fuck up a Rumble.

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  146. Yeah, that's a dumb booking decision, but you can sort of justify it by saying that he didn't get a chance to face Rollins in a Cell.

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  147. Rollins is really coming into his own as a heel the crowd can really boo the shit out of. If they turn Orton face then I think he'll do a job or two to Rollins.

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  148. If they tease Cena vs. Lesnar at Survivor Series tonight, bet on Cena winning the belt, as WWE will have succumbed to full-blown panic mode.

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  149. Same here. Orton doesn't seem to have a problem losing feuds, and Rollins really is excelling in his current role.

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  150. When they fucked up the Rumble last year, I'm sure Vince scolded people for overreacting. Let it play out! Typical Vince! The guy is a monster.

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  151. You lose a match, you're supposed to suffer the consequences. You can't "sort of" justify Cena losing the pole match and being rewarded with his match being for a world title shot and then getting what he wanted originally a day after he would've gotten it, but now with Rollins kayfabe exhausted/injured from being IN a Hell in a Cell match.

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  152. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    Hi guys.

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  153. I'm currently reading Keith's Survivor Series 2012 rant on the blog and it's so hilarious. People were not optimistic about the Shield at all.

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  154. Facing Rollins in a Cell would've meant Cena potentially being able to dish out UNSPEAKABLE PAIN IN THE DEVIL'S DUPLEX!!!

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  155. Not optimistic about them as talent or not optimistic about how they'd be handled?

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  156. Now that he's earned a shot at the title does Rollins wrecking the last one even matter anymore? BTW--#LOLCENAWINS via Orton interference.

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  157. There is not a bigger dick move in the world than having a hologram help you win.

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  158. That's a fair point, I would argue that he doesn't need as much protection "because" he's a slime ball, delusional heel. If Seth would've taken an ass kicking and lost to Dean, he could go back to saying "who cares what Dean did, I'm still the MITB briefcase holder, and I WILL be your new champion" or something like that.

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  159. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    I remember reading that and a commenter completed botched Reigns name.

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  160. True. In fairness I understand why trolls do it now. I wanted to strangle Worst over how bad he overreacted and I didn't even like the PPV!

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  161. He's probably gonna have to wait until the Rumble to face Brock, and in the meantime his waist is gonna feel awful cold without a belt around it!

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  162. I'm at work so no RAW for me.

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  163. Are they really doing a video hyping the cell when it was rendered meaningless last night?

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  164. I had nightmares last night due to the horrors because of HIAC last night.

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  165. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    Hologram!

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  166. I hope they at least sell the respective beatings they took.

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  167. The hologram should definitely go over Ziggler tonight!

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  168. I'm not usually one to complain about Cena's performances, but it irritated me that right after beating Orton last night, he seemed perfectly fine.

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  169. They had just debuted. Some dude was saying that they were nothing special.

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  170. In retrospect, knowing both 1) how the second half of the game turned into a Saints blowout and 2) how the main event ended, I'm SO happy the game was on Sunday Night Football.

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  171. Theberzerker! HUSS!October 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Fuck you, Vince.


    Have a good night everybody!

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  172. That would qualify as an upgrade for Ziggler.

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  173. I'm getting a "Vince decided he can't have the belt only defended once before WrestleMania" vibe from the company.

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  174. So Microsoft once again proves to me that they don't deserve my money. My Xbox 360's wireless adapter has apparently died. Mind you, I haven't turned on the system in close to a year, but that shouldn't stop it from working.

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  175. The authority gets jobber entrances tonight

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  176. Authority gets the jobber entrance

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  177. Reigns beating Cena at Mania is probably better than Reigns beating Lesnar. I have no confidence in Lesnar doing business in a way that gets Reigns to the next level.

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  178. Yum...I get to see Stephanie...*fap fap fap* Wait...what?

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  179. I really wish they would throw a Katie Vick reference out there one of these times.

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  180. Hunter getting a jobber entrance = Nash jobbing to Rey Rey that one time.

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  181. Microsoft are thieves. They charged me for 7 months of Xbox live. I didn't use it once, but they didn't give me a refund.

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  182. Its funny how they are repromoting Foley tonight, because at HIAC, they pretended Taker vs Foley never happened.

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  183. I want WWE to have a hologram match at WM. Eddie vs Owen or something like that.

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  184. Yeah that was annoying. Honestly, neither Orton or Cena seemed into that match last night. It was fine but they obviously were going through the motions. Only so much you can do after facing someone that many times, especially in a thrown together match.

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  185. Steph and HHH heelin it up always cracks me up

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  186. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    They did that when they teamed at SurSer 07 which was funny.

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  187. So.. Orton face turn after the Authority slams him for not getting the job done?

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  188. When do they have to meet with the shareholders?

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  189. 30th, I believe.

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  190. "Predicting this Nexus 2.0 stable to be buried within two months, forgotten by the Rumble completely... just what this roster needed, more bloated undercard nobodies to job to Orton, etc. Whatever gets Ziggler off the menu is fine with me, but this angle is going nowhere. You're kidding yourself if you think it is."

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  191. I get the feeling they don't like working together, especially at this point. Both guys are capable of having great matches, just not together. Not enough chemistry.

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