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October Classics: Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs. Steve Williams & Steve Austin - Halloween Havoc '92

Windham and Rhodes were the unified WCW/NWA World Tag Team Champions here. Dr. Death's original partner was supposed to be the late Terry Gordy, but Gordy left WCW just before this show, as a sign of loyalty to All-Japan found Giant Baba; WCW had begun striking up a working relationship with All-Japan's rival New Japan. Gordy's replacement was Stunning Steve Austin, who would leave WCW a few years after this show, and would appear sporadically on the indepedent circuit before retiring. If I remember that correctly.

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  1. Did JR do the play-by-play for this show? If so, I'd imagine he soiled his pants in the middle of putting over the challengers...

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  2. Austin ... man, you could see it even then. LOLWCW

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  3. Yes, the only teaming of the two men both named Steve Williams....

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  4. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    It's so weird when I watch Austin matches in WCW that JR announces. I'm like "okay, right there, that's when you're supposed to completely lose your shit and talk about "THE TOUGHEST SON OF A BITCH TO LACE UP A PAIR OF BOOTS.' Instead he's just calm JR talking about Austin like he's any other guy.

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  5. Black and BluelandOctober 27, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    It's not the $9.99. It's my time. I would pay more for a better quality product / more entertaining experience. To me, it's not, "Should I pay another $9.99 a month for this?", it's "Should I give them another 3 hours on a Sunday night?" And right now the answer is no. And as a byproduct they lose their subscriber and $9.99.

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  6. That's fine. Then don't renew lol. It's really as simple as that. Again, not really defending the show or the company, but just using common sense. If you're not into the product and find nothing of value in the Network, then don't renew.

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  7. Black and BluelandOctober 27, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Wrestlemania was worth it. Lesnar obliterating Cena was worth it. And the use of some retro PPVs was worth it.

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  8. We all look at this through wrestling eyes. You have to look at it through TV business eyes. When the cable networks had their upfronts last spring, and no TNA TV deal was announced, that was a huge red flag. That's when the networks line up the advertising for the fall. No TV deal meant Spike wasn't using TNA as a selling point to advertisers. In hindsight we see the trouble it meant for WWE, as they didn't announce a deal then either, because they were still trying to attract a higher bidder than USA. When WWE finally came out and announced their improved-but-lower-than-hoped new deal with USA, that was around the time we should have heard one from TNA too. So at this point if TNA were to announce a deal with a new network, you have to look at it in TV terms, meaning we might see them actually having to go dark a few months, before making a spring, summer, maybe even a fall debut. They've have to be incredibly lucky to get on a network that could drop them into their lineup immediately.

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  9. THIS.


    In both cases we have second-generation do-nothing's in charge.

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  10. Kinda miss when this BOD wasn't so overly negative. I wish I could everyone 100 whores to ease off the frustration

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  11. Black and BluelandOctober 27, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    Right - and you're correct. But here's my issue. It's a scary proposition when I don't even want to give them my time for something that's "valued" at $55 in a hobby I love(d?). Every new PPV we watch live is the foundation of "retro" PPVs for future customers. In the annals of wrestling history, there's not much here that will be worth watching "retro".

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  12. HOLY CRAP IM ON BOTCHAMANIA!!

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  13. It's never the individual dumb, it's a pattern of dumb. WWE seems to be putting on a pattern of dumb. That can be distressing, given the company's track record of trying to correct dumb with even more dumb. History has also shown that dumb can hurt down the road, and isn't always apparent at the time the dumb happens.

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  14. Whore #56 is slightly too skinny. YOU SUCK, AND LIFE SUCKS!!!!! NOTHING EVER GOES RIGHT!!!

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  15. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 27, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Good point. Unless they think a poorly booked promotion built solely around Magnus, Rockstar Spud, Eric Young and Bobby Roode will be enough, because there's no way they can afford Hardy/Bubba/MVP/Lashley or even Samoa Joe and the like by simply existing off an international deal, or some nominal US deal in which they'd get paid a quarter of their current rights fees. It's just not possible because TV is their ONLY income.

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  16. Worst_in_the_WorldOctober 27, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    This fat whore who vomited on my dick is FINE! (Because WWE sent her.)

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  17. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 27, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    Back to discussion of Crap in a Sack:

    WWE could pimp the Network again by saying, "Yeah, we gave you a shit ending. But if you watched it on PPV, you paid $50. On the Network, you can get shit endings for a fraction of the cost!

    ...9.99, MAGGLE!!!"

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  18. It's true, of course. That dumber things have been done. But there is a tipping point. UFC had a genuinely FIVE STAR main event on Saturday night with Aldo vs Mendes. On a weekend where UFC ruled so much, I question why I waste my time with WWE at all.

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  19. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 27, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    TNA: Totally Negligible Assets

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  20. The network failing would be a huge problem for the wwe. Right now it looks like term this will fail.

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  21. Thank you. That was the worst thing I've ever seen.

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  22. Wow some people defending that show still? I dunno I outgrew spooky ghost stories when I was 5 but I can get why some people would enjoy them mixed in with play fighting. Still one step too far towards Retardville for me.

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  23. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©October 27, 2014 at 3:11 PM

    Please don't tell me a bear was poked.

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  24. The good news is I wont have as much trouble tracking down classic X division matches once WWE uploads them to the Network in a year.

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  25. I'm assuming the Steve Austin / Steve Williams team isn't a Superman III kind of thing where one is his normal self and the other is his persona and most base instincts turned up to 11?

    Is there a garbage compactor?

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  26. where were they? watching Barney

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  27. This company has made money off Undertaker and Kane. They love the supernatural!

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  28. Especially from a company that has done that shit with Taker and Kane.

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  29. He requested a skinny white who wouldn't vomit on his dick, but they sent a fat white who did vomit on his dick and that's ok. OPINIONS CHANGE! Vince doesn't know what he wants until WWE does what others says is lame then he comes to defend it. Overly positive troll is the worst kind of troll. Frankly, if he were the type of person who always thought positive like that he would have left here a long time ago. Positive people don't bang their head against a wall the way he does. They just keep doing their thing and eliminate negativity. He's a troll doing troll game. To tell you the truth, it just really saddens me that he doesn't have anything better to do with his time.

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  30. I bet Dixie Carter read this and immediately checked her email for the first time in two weeks to see if anyone had sent an offer.

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  31. it is like Stephanie got all the worst traits of her father and all his worst beliefs about wrestling and none of the good beliefs Vince has or atleast had.

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  32. this is a spot on assessment. You have to have talent to compete but you can't generate revenue to pay them. Like ECW, expansion got them more revenue, but more expenses that outstripped the revenue.

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  33. CruelConnectionNumber2October 27, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    All the theme music by SERGE and Lollycock or Goldypop or whatever that skank's name was will have to be EDITED~!

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  34. Stephanie is like her father -- a consummate media whore that craves mainstream credibility.

    The only difference is at one point Vince knew how to put on a kickass wrestling show.

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  35. Did anybody else remember this after reading "I'm from Saskatchewan"?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk86l1_bret-hart-talks-about-goldust-1998_sport

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  36. They won't even have Attitude Era RAW up by then.


    Shotgun Saturday Night will be up in about five years. Los Super Astros in about 12 years. WCW Prime in about 22. TNA content will be about ten years after that.

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  37. CruelConnectionNumber2October 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    I kinda miss when TNA and WWE didn't both absolutely suck.

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  38. Change the gender, and that describes Vince McMahon JUNIOR.

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  39. Steph is at least third generation.

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  40. Huh? She's one of the best heels in the business. You can't do that without "getting" wrestling.

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  41. That's because everyone has given up, nobody else is trying, so the wrestlers get to go out there and just wrestle.

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  42. I don't ever recall a particularly positive BoD.

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  43. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    The live threads have become really bad.

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  44. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    I like Chris and Ann but they were far down the list of people who comprise the heart of the show. Ann really never quite fit from the start, there was a sense of Creative Has Nothing For You throughout her run.

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  45. CruelConnectionNumber2October 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    I just saw footage of Bound For Glory on the new Botchamania. At first I thought I was watching some 100-fan indy show from West Virginia. Sad how they've fallen.

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  46. HIAC was one of the first love threads I was in. Doubt I'll be returning to one. Isn't my scene.

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  47. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    It's quite negative. Watching Raw and PPVs have become much more enjoyable now that I'm not so engrossed in them.

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  48. Maybe that's why I've enjoyed the Specials more than most. I usually watch them and then come on the Blog and usually by that time Scott's review is up and I can comment there. It's just too fast in the live thread and it seems like everyone rushes to make the same joke so you get 5 straight posts of "Nothing says hell in a cell like pink ropes!" Impossible to keep up and watch too.

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  49. Damn. The FXNOW app that has every Simpsons episode on demand works on my phone perfectly but isn't supported on my Xbox One.

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  50. They're going into their last season, so it's more about tying up loose ends, and putting a bow on everything. Michael Shur and Amy Poehler often talk about how much of an influence Cheers has on Parks, and the final season of Cheers featured all sorts of great send-offs for their tertiary characters, so I'm expecting a lot of that on Parks. And who knows: maybe Leslie & Ben will visit Chris and Ann in Ann Harbor.

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  51. Oh. Well, with Bellas still on TV I can't say as I'm surprised.
    I stopped watching entirely.
    Other than the shit ending, and the fact that it seems as if all of those matches get repeated every month, and most weeks on Raw in some form or another, the PPV reads as ok to me.

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  52. "My body is a microchip"
    "The microchip has been compromised"

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  53. yup, it's taking place in 2017

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  54. He deserves it. Super talented, really funny and he's so great at just making you care about his character, whether he has 10 minutes of screen time or whatever. I remember rooting for his character in Moneyball. That's how good he is.

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  55. CruelConnectionNumber2October 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    Anyone watching and typing/reading isn't really seeing the show how they should.

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  56. I have to say that it seems a bit sketch that Daddy Carter
    would rather run the company into the ground, continuing to lose money, rather
    than sell it to recoup at least something, just to keep his daughter on TV.

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  57. Normal? A man ran lifetime for all but the last four years. Try again

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  58. Todos los esfuerzos posibles para el progreso, para la iluminación, para
    la ciencia, para los religiosos, políticos, y la libertad económica,
    emana de la minoría, y no de la masa

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  59. I dont understand how someone could pull that off, especially at the speed those comments were rolling in. It seemed inhuman.

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  60. correct on three points

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  61. It doesn't work with Verizon Fios either. So I can't stream Simpsons to my computers.

    RAGE!

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  62. This guy gets it

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  63. If you take the live threads for what they are, a bunch of fans goofing on stuff MST3K style, they can be quite fun.


    If you want to take them literally, which they aren't, then yeah they won't be very fun.

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  64. It said "currently" so I'm guessing/hoping they are just working on bringing it to Xbox One.

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  65. Edwards is correct.

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  66. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    A bear was poked

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  67. The new avatar is an improvement.

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  68. Yeah but I think TNA is just a drop in the bucket and a tax write-off for him. He's rich as fuck and doesn't care if TNA doesn't make money.

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  69. Yeah, I was wondering about the announcement "in 10 days," too. I even went and found when she said it and counted the days and she missed by a lot. I don't understand why she makes these grand statements so specific. Like, if she would have said, "soon," no one would care.

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  70. Two Nights Away (from bankruptcy)

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  71. Before last summer it was all gravy. Started going to shits when guys like fuj and flair4dagold were left and we're replaced by guys like parallax and farva

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  72. They're not even close to that

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  73. Yea. I don't even pay attention to the show when I'm in these live threads.

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  74. Yes, I am familiar with your position on those two.

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  75. Much more than close actually, that's exactly what they are. I spent 4 hours in one just yesterday.


    The only people that take any of the stuff in there literally are the people that come here strictly to bitch about bitching and are looking specifically for absurd comments to hold up as evidence.

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  76. And absurd comments, there are a plenty!

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  77. Right it was just people like Chan and Elvy lol


    Oh nostalgia.

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  78. That's generally how making fun of something works, yes.

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  79. 4th isn't it? Jess > Vince Sr > Vince Jr > Stephanie

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  80. I have to agree...I'm so sick of the complaints!

    Koko B. Ware is a WWE Hall of Famer...Get over it!

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  81. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    parallax often comments on how he enjoys shows so I don't know how you're including him in being "overly negative."

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  82. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    As a fan of wrestling, I just am having trouble posting in them for a long period of time.

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  83. I'm sick of people complaining about complaining. Get over yourselves.

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  84. I'm not trying to convince you, if they bum you out stay away, do whatever you want.


    I'm just saying, I quite enjoyed HitC outside of that finish and joking around in the thread didn't lessen that enjoyment at all.

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  85. Whore #56 is known for her show...her raw sensual dance moves...which were lost on you, Vince...BECAUSE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW!

    Yes, yes...you read the recaps...but somehow reading "sway left, sway right, boob smoosh, back arch, turn and twerk" isn't quite the same as seeing it live.

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  86. I'm sick of people.

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  87. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    STOP. POOPING.

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  88. Especially that Vince Jordan. Talk about pathetic.

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  89. I'm sick of complaining as an individual concept. Unless applied toward pro wrestling, then I'm a big fan

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  90. Positive people would...watch the shows or PPV's.


    That's the worst part, it's even a lazy troll.

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  91. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    I'm sick of a few people on here who see the need to blatantly attack others for having different opinions. All of the apologists on here don't even try to make sense. And instead of just saying "Well I thought it was good" and expressing enthusiasm, the feel the need to get all huffy and insult people so see things differently.

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  92. Never ever. Neither is the iwc. If you apply a critical eye to any wrestling show in history there is going to be problems. I do remember the WWF getting lots of extra love when they were losing to wcw, so we love an underdog and we love new stars and good stories.

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  93. Watching the Ambrose HIAC now knowing very little.

    I like his little Urban ninja thing with the Kendo Stick.

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  94. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    That's the level of suck TNA is at on production values. When NJPW runs shows there they look like an intimate atmosphere. When TNA runs there, it looks like a bingo hall. They could probably make MSG look shitty if they ran there.

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  95. Scotts blog really hits a lot of demographics.

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  96. I asked this in the Daily thread but you were already gone. You been listening to the radio shows at all?


    I completely dropped off, I haven't checked out either in like a month.

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  97. It wouldn't be as hard to stomach if he wasn't so blatantly trolling with it and calling out others. I stand by my remarks. Vince Jordan is doing a anti-troll troll gimmick where he just blindly enjoys everything about the current product no matter what.

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  98. Chan did the exact same bit, but he at least put effort in, that dude knew the shows backwards and forwards and would be overly positive about very specific things just to be irritating.


    Vince just says, "Lol show was great whatever it was, you guys are lame." and calls it a day.

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  99. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 27, 2014 at 5:00 PM

    It's gotten beyond old too. He thinks that we're all arguing for the sake of arguing. We all pretty much agree with each other. He's the one who starts arguments for the sake of it.

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  100. Then once someone has talked him into a corner and pretty much proven he's full of shit he throws up something annoying like, "you're really a sad person." Or something equally not related at all to the discussion that he himself brought on.

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  101. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 27, 2014 at 5:09 PM

    I honestly wish he'd just go away. I barely ever see him contribute to any conversation. He's just one giant, contentious headache.

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  102. It warms my heart to see white people fighting....please continue on

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  103. I have taken to aggressivelu calling him out. We should all rally around this and petition Scott to do the right thing. He isn't someone with different opinions, he is actively trolling and should be banned.

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  104. My least favorite white guy is Vince Jordan. His trolling should not be tolerated any further. We should band together to stop this menace. Message your nearest moderator and voice your concerns. For the good of the blog!

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  105. Good, not great match from a miserably awful ppv, that had possibly the worst triple main event ever

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  106. I thought he was middle-eastern?

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  107. It will be the signing of some ex-WWE jobber or midcarder that they will cream their pants over and push him hard. We've seen it a million times before

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  108. This thread has made me realize only Leslie Knope and team could save TNA.

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  109. "What's 'Tiger' Raj Singh doing in the Impact Zone, Taz?"

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  110. That's exactly right. As long as people have been talking about wrestling on the internet, it's been 90% negative. There was a bit of underdog support for WWF during the MNW, but that's it. We've hated just about everything else. Always.

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  111. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 27, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    I agree. It's gone beyond just difference of opinions.

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  112. Yeah, Elvy may have waaaay too positive and defensive of TNA back in the day but at least you got the impression that he actually watched all of their shows.

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  113. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 27, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    I'd rather see Burt Macklin and Janet Snakehole run either TNA or WWE as opposed to their respective regimes

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  114. TNA had almost nothing to do with the production of BfG 2014.

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  115. Uh...2010 was one of the worst years in wrestling.

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  116. Because Bray Wyatt is possessed by the Devil.


    Seriously, Husky Harris got his soul eaten by a demon and is now a husk for the spirit to enact his evil will...by wrestling.

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  117. That was my point, in a nutshell.

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