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Suspension of disbelief


In your mind, what maneuvers require the most suspension of disbelief? For me, as impressive as it is, it's the Undertaker's rope walk. There is no reason it should ever be carried out through completion.

Thanks!

~Brian J. McGrath

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The C4, The Canadian Destroyer, and pretty much anything that the Young Bucks do.  

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  1. It begins and ends with the Irish Whip.

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  2. Dean Ambrose doing the "get knocked half through the ropes, bounce back for a clothesline" spot in every match is way too contrived. He should cut back on doing that IMO.

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  3. Just off the top of my head: the surfboard type maneuver ( the wrestler just has to not let you take his arms, the only time this was believable was a Nitro where La Parka beat on Juventuds shoulders until they were limp), the slingshot, razor doing the edge next to the ropes, ladder slow climbing)

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  4. Part of me agrees, but then that's usually overruled because it gets a huge pop.

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  5. Roman Reigns punch on the outside is in the same territory

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  6. Is that the same move that Doug Williams used to do? I hated that shit- it looks WAY too far.

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  7. The Canadian Destroyer is of course the worst example of this.

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  8. To me, suspension of disbelief has never been that difficult. If you can't go into it willing to accept that you're going to see some crazy unrealistic shit, what's even the point of watching wrestling? Now, certainly there's been any number of things that are so contrived or poorly done that it has taken me out of a match, don't get me wrong. But generally speaking, as long as it's performed well the unbelievability of pro wrestling has never hindered my enjoyment.

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  9. Yep. It's silly and it makes no sense, but if it pops the crowd I don't care at all.

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  10. As ridiculous as the young bucks flips are in comparison to a real fight, nothing they do looks as goofy as the Canadian Destroyer unless it's SUPPOSED to look goofy over the top (I.e. The Meltzer Driver

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  11. Punches. You can get punched in the face ten times in a row and just stagger but a bodyslam leaves you motionless on the ground.

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  12. Pretty much yeah

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  13. Pinfalls.

    More specifically, sitting in shock for over 30 seconds after a failed pinfall attempt instead of trying again.

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  14. Cant remember the last time I saw a People's Elbow or a Five Knuckle Shuffle used in a bar fight...

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  15. Wrestling is a dramatic exaggeration of fighting.

    It follows the same rule of cool most superhero comics or video games do.

    If it looks cool, then it's plausible enough!

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  16. What's Irish about it, anyway?

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  17. OK how about this: Orton's draping DDT. Before Knucklehead adopted the move, that move was DEATH and in (wrestling) theory should have ended the match whenever someone busted it out. Now he uses it as a set up. Eugh.

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  18. What's so German about the German Suplex, except that it looks like anal sex?

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  19. Well of course. You need ring ropes to do those moves.

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  20. Don't you hate when people ask a question while answering it themselves?

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  21. Exactly. I generally scoff at populist arguments, but wrestling is a clear exception to that. Did it pop the crowd? Yeah? Cool.

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  22. Don't you hate Kwang like I do?

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  23. Dont bars sometimes have rings for mud wrestling like in the movie Stripes?

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  24. When Jake used to be asked what DDT meant, he would say the end. Orton says it means the middle....

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  25. Remember when edge first started he not only borrowed the flatliner but every ither move kanyon did.

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  26. I don't know about Williams, but Nigel McGuinness used to do it a lot.

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  27. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    W
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  28. Well, Irish people can't afford real whips.

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  29. It was a Thesz invention, but Gotch used it as a finisher.

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  30. MaffewOfBotchamaniaOctober 4, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    IT'S FUCKING WRESTLING

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  31. Huh? You mean the drive-by kick? Because the superman punch is pretty simple.

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  32. I've seen it done well, but Ambrose's execution of it is terrible.

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  33. Bryan used to slap their sides until they moved their arms in position, and if he couldn't grab their arms, he's just jump on their knees.


    But Bryan was the best.

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  34. My suspension of disbelief is pretty strong in wrestling, things work off the uniqueness/difficulty move. If a move is more complex, than obviously it hurts more. Hell, just naming your move means it works better.


    That said, if we want to think about this objectively, than bulldogs and all variations thereof (cutters, etc..) are the dumbest move ever. Okay, maybe a neckbreaker.


    On the other hand and back to my original point. Who gives a fuck? Can moves look bad? Oh yeah. Can bad looking stuff hurt a match? Oh yeah. Is a move being ridiculous in and of itself a bad thing? Oh no.


    P.S. The Canadian Destroyer is incredible, and y'all a bunch of hating ass haters.

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  35. The Garvin Stomp.

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  36. Yeah, it's cool but come on, only the biggest mark can believe Petey Williams, usually 170 pounds, can lift a guy his size up in a perfect somersault/piledriver without any help at all.

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  37. You mean the Tower of London?

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  38. Hey the middle rope neck breaker was always good.

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  39. The one handed running bulldog on a bald guy.

    And as already stated........laying down for 80 seconds while eating a WORM.

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  40. Irish Whip!

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  41. 619. Nobody lands in that position except in a Mysterio match.

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  42. Another move I still havent seen happen in a real fight is a Frankensteiner. If I did see a person use it, I would hope the other person would just stay down...

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  43. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    I used to HATE the Young Bucks for their unbelievable flippy shit and obnoxiousness. And then, one day, I suddenly loved them. And I don't even know how it happened. They are just everything fun about high flying taken to a ridiculous extreme.

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  44. The DDT lost it's death factor LONG before Orton.

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  45. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    The day I see that happen I might just end my life. There's nothing more to see than that.

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  46. The entirety of any John Cena match, particularly any of his offense.

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  47. Katie Vick...

    Everybody know Kane still a virgin.

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  48. That would be the ultimate humiliation. First you get your ass kicked and you're laying in a puddle of your own blood and piss and then a dude runs and drops a People's Elbow on ya. I'd never go back to that bar again if ya smell what I'm cookin'.....

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  49. Only the biggest mark can believe anything in any wrestling match is in any way a reflection of a wrestlers real strength/combat prowess.


    Which is the reason sentences like "I couldn't buy Bryan beating Brock" or "You could never hit that move on an unwilling opponent" make me shake my head.


    It's pretend. There are INTERNAL logic problems to raise (if his arm is injured how can he hit that move, why doesn't he just run out the cage door, etc.) because these are based on plot elements introduced in the product itself. any comparison to outside physics or fighting is useless because we agree those don't matter at the first Irish whip/vertical suplex.

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  50. People's Elbow, Five Knuckle Shuffle, Boom Drop.

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  51. The Young Bucks are interesting, where they started with the flipping they were kids covering deficiencies at wrestling.


    People criticized them, in particular they were faulted for overusing superkicks.


    Instead of changing, they DOUBLE DOWN. Get gear that says "Superkick party" right on it. They weren't just flips and kicks for the sake of kicks and flips. It became their persona, and a damn good one. Somewhere in there they also learned how to structure the most nail bitting suspensful wrestling you'll ever see


    And now that I've gushed over the Bucks up and down this thread: The Meltzer Driver for those who have never seen it


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InnzxszNmYw

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  52. But *that one* was like murder. It would be like if someone kicked out of Eddie's MDK or something.

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  53. There's a difference between a move that exaggerates reality and a move that doesn't make sense at all unless both wrestlers are working together.

    We can accept a bodyslam or a suplex because we can imagine that if a wrestler was really, really strong, he could throw someone around that way. But the Canadian Destroyer can't be executed at all without the victim doing most of the work. Neither can the Rock Bottom, actually, since the Rock puts the guy straight up and flat on his back with barely any leverage. Moves like that take me out of the moment because they remind me that everything's choreographed.

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  54. "We can accept a bodyslam or a suplex because we can imagine that if a wrestler was really, really strong, he could throw someone around that way."



    No actually I can't. A vertical suplex is absolutely ridiculous to imagine being done without a willing partner.


    Are you taken out of the match every time there is an irish whip (so every match ever) because if so you may want to find a new hobby

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  55. All those submission holds looked better when guys took the time to apply them in a realistic way. Watch an old Billy Robinson match and see how he put the abdominal stretch on somebody.

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  56. It really is. I've seen Rocky Romero do it WAY better.


    That is likely the only time I'd put Rocky Romero in front of the word better when discussing Dean Ambrose though, so I'll let it slide.

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  57. Thesz didn't execute it like that, though. His was closer to Eddy's back suplex.

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  58. Nope, remember the storyline where Tori confirmed that Kane's pecker wasn't charred?

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  59. Whenever a wrestler does a diving attack on a group of wrestlers outside the ring, and everyone falls down, including wrestlers who are nowhere near the point of impact.

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  60. No, for the reason I indicated above. But as silly as an Irish whip is, it can be done different ways too -- some less silly than others.

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  61. Well yeah, because he was legit stretching them. Which works.



    NJPW teaches guys to lock submissions on for real ,and for guys to actually fight out. Does wonders for legitimacy when you do that.

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  62. All 3 of those things make sense if your opponent is hurt/knocked out.

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  63. There is no less believable move in wrestling than the worked punch.

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  64. how the hell is that not realistic? if anything, it's VERY realistic.

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  65. Oh, agreed. I remember watching old All Japan stuff and seeing how much work they'd put into just setting up a powerbomb (for example), and thinking how much more credible it all looked.

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  66. What reason you indicated above?


    There is no way to do an Irish whip that "doesn't make sense unless both wrestlers are working together" (STOP RUNNING)

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  67. I always thought of it as the Rock Bottom having killed them DEAD, and the people's elbow being a humiliation after


    Then Rock beat Punk with a fucking elbow and no rock bottom so what do I know

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  68. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Agreed. I watched their match with Time Splitters at Dominion today and I couldn't stop exclaiming "WOW!" They are so good at building drama despite being insanely ridiculous. It's uncanny.

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  69. "Yep Mode" ABeyAnce1©October 4, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    What about Lita?

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  70. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    It's the shockwave you see. It's like when Jax slams his fist down in Mortal Kombat.

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  71. PROFESSIONAL wrestling!

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  72. Because the other wrestler is so dominantly powerful that he hurls the guy into the ropes. And the ropes, being springy, hurl him back.

    ...I KNOW it's stupid, but it's still not the same as a move like the Canadian Destroyer, which doesn't even obey physics.

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  73. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    That's why I like the People's Elbow. It's the final insult after the Rock Bottom. Cena and his reviving punch makes no sense.

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  74. I bet during the height of the Attitude Era and wrestling's popularity, it happened somewhere just as you described.

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  75. ...What you said obeys the same amount of physics as a Canadian destroyer.


    If I was thrown with enough force to propel me to the ropes I wouldn't be pumping my legs in a run.

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  76. If I can be entertained by a cyborg using his built-in rocket gun to kill a female ocarina player who was sapping his energy while he battled a flamboyant homosexual, I figure some should be able to watch a suplex and not get all Comic Book guy on it.

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  77. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    That barely counts. I myself had sex with Lita last week. Everybody gets one from her.

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  78. And people complain about the PG era....

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  79. Did ya have her on the Gimmick table?

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  80. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    I was thinking the same thing.

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  81. I hate spots like the one where Wrestler A powerbombs Wrestler B from the turnbuckle, as Wrestler B is executing a superplex on Wrestler C. Too contrived and designed to get a "That was awesome" chant from the crowd.


    On the other hand, I love double submissions--like a figure four and armbar on a downed opponent. Those should be done more often!

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  82. A rock bottom can totally be done if you don't stand and look at the crowd. Source: Me doing it to an ex GF one time to get her on the bed. It ended well.

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  83. He beat Punk the same way he beat HHH 13 years earlier in his biggest title win ever at Backlash 2000: with a spinebuster followed by the Elbow.

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  84. I agree--it's something that we all just accept. But then WWE tries to make us believe in Big Show's K.O. punch being legitimate for some reason. They can't have it both ways.

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  85. Speaking of the Irish Whip, the absence of that (from what I recall) is why I loved the last two Brock/Cena matches. It was just Cena fighting for his life and despite there being limited "flow" or "movement", Brock is simply the most believable power wrestler/monster wrestling's ever had.

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  86. No, but you'd probably try.

    We won't agree on this.

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  87. I remember enjoying how Punk tried and failed to pin Cena twice after he hit the piledriver in their RAW match last year.

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  88. Dude, frying pan sized hands!

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  89. "Hands, frying pans, etc."

    -WWE Creative

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  90. There's just some sort of unhealthy and unconditional hate towards Ronnie Garvin on this blog. I don't get it.

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  91. Wait, what?


    Why would I try to run the same direction the other guy wants me too?


    Why doesn't my arm just dislocate from the sheer force of this mega whip?


    why can the weaker individual whip the stronger one?


    How determined are you to keep it real to you that you can say "nah, this 'ould make total sense if he was just super strong"?

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  92. Fits Brock's gimmick. Why would the MMA guy use something like an irish whip?

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  93. If you're going to use a strike as your finish at least make it something which requires a certain set up or contriving your body to a weird angle.


    This is the defense of why a superkick is still a way better/believable finish compared to the punch

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  94. Fun fact: the first time Orton did the draping DDT on WWE television was against RVD on an episode of RAW in January 2004 and he got the pinfall with that move, except he did it from the turnbuckle instead of the middle rope. IIRC that's also how they wrote RVD off of TV last year.

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  95. Weird, WWE-conditioned simul-post.

    That stupid line stuck, that's for sure.

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  96. People still have not gotten over the Hammer Jammer.....

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  97. He can do it, because he's PETEY WILLIAMS. He invented it, so naturally he knows every possible angle to perform it at, and the exact way to use momentum to get his opponent to do what he wants.

    See? You can Kayfabe ANY move.

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  98. I wouldve liked to see an Irish Whip in the Octagon...

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  99. Not sure what you mean here. Either you mean his shin guard, or his finisher? What was wrong with either?

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  100. I disagree on the Flatliner. Since you're performing the move, you can control how you fall and you're slamming your opponent's face directly into the mat.

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  101. Yet another move you dont really see in bar fights nowadays is the figure four leglock. I know I would probably need an ambulance if I saw one being applied at the bar....

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  102. dude, putting a figure four in a bar would be idiotic. Why would you take the risk of having it reversed on you???? There are then no ropes to reach to break the hold!

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  103. My older brother actually did a Stone Cold Stunner in a bar fight. I would not have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

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  104. Who won that one?

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  105. I guarantee it's happened, in some MMA fight. If there's been tag MMA, full on Undertaker chokeslam takedowns, and if a Giant Swing was transitioned to an ankle lock, I know in my heart someone has been whipped into the cage/fence/whatever.

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  106. Also no ropes for your opponent to grab for leverage.

    Still a risky endeavor.

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  107. My brother. The only reason he could do the stunner was because the other guy was basically out on his feet and my brother decided just to go for it.

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  108. I did the Tongan Death Grip in a bar fight, but it had no effect so I kicked him in the back with my steel-capped shoes.

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  109. Considering he IS the table, very likely. She seems like she likes to ride on top.

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  110. The Hammer Jammer was the shinguard - the finisher was called the reverse figure 4.

    And one of the first matches I watched after getting the Network was this one...

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  111. I also tried the Mandible Claw on a girl once, except I used my penis.

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  112. Because if you have to put over a move that drives your opponents head into that ground, you call RVD. He'll make everyone cringe.

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  113. How small is your penis that it fits underneath her tongue?

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  114. I started this by saying what worked for me and didn't, and worked back from there. (I wrote "we" actually, and I guess I shouldn't have, but notice: no one else mentioned the vertical suplex here either, though of course, yes, it's an absurd move.)

    None of us, when we watch a match, analyze it the way people are right now, on this thread. We all suspend disbelief to some degree. But there are certain moves, or ways those moves are executed, that make it hard to suspend that disbelief. Since a bodyslam or an Irish whip doesn't do that for me, but the Canadian Destroyer does, I'm trying to figure out why. What works for you is obviously different, which is fine.

    That's all the time I've got for tonight. Thanks for the debate.

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  115. Oh, is that how it's done? I just jammed it in while watching Midnight Run.

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  116. The slingshot suplex. Even as a kid I criticised how horrible a move it was and at next it was no better than a regular suplex. But all the recipient had to do was bend their knees and the move couldn't be done.

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  117. I wish you wouldve screaming Stone Cold! Stone Cold! in JR's voice as he did it....

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  118. How about the Airplane Spin, there's one you dont see being used in the streets nowadays...

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  119. I love all those spots. I don't give a shit how contrived they are. It's wrestling.

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  120. Lita does have a fondness for wood...

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  121. That, and there's a reason why the amateurs only require a 1-count. About the only way to actually pin a guy's shoulders to the mat for a count of 3 is to knock them unconscious.

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  122. It was (apparently) invented by 1930's World Champion Danno O'Mahoney. You're welcome.

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  123. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    Neither do I. He was okay. I think it's because he got that world title reign and people still can't get over it.

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  124. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Oh yeah. I might need to disinfect it now though. And a checkup.

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  125. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    Plus it sounds like something you'd get at Starbucks.

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  126. I'm voting for the Irish Whip

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  127. You must be quite the fan of Charles Grodin

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  128. A good worked punch is truly a lost art.

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  129. Way down the thread..............Fear 2 Stop typed
    "619. Nobody lands in that position except in a Mysterio match."



    It would be hilarious if someone dropped like that in a Big Show match, then Show just stares, scratches his head....and says "Well, guess I have to do this". And wipes out the first 6 rows.

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  130. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    I love in the'91 Wargames when every member of Sting's team gets every member of the horsemen in the figure four at one time. Such a great, underappreciated spot.

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  131. Was she already your ex by then?

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  132. I don't know what you're Grodin about.

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  133. Rubbish Ronnie Garbage, as OSW Review named him.


    I liked him. He was kind of dull though, especially if you only saw him in WWF.

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  134. One of the Bucks sent a tweet to HBK once asking how he can win matches with a superkick because they deliver a ton in every match and people keep coming at them.

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  135. I dont think Pledge gets rid of chlamydia but its worth a shot...

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  136. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    I didn't choose the table life, the table life chose me.

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  137. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 4, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    Except by 1920's ruffians.

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  138. I'll take a venti Irish Whip with two pumps of peppermint

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  139. I totally want to invent a handshaped frying pan. Hell, if they can do shoes that look like feet they can do this for me, dammit

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  140. Yes! That's the guy. I bashed that (and a couple other things he did), and some of his fans lost their shit on me one time. I guess some people consider him up there with the ***** workers, but I just think he's like an 8 out of 10. Very good in the ring, but no legend.

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  141. Another reason to love the Bucks

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  142. If someone whipped that out in the UFC, I'd lose my shit.

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  143. Nothing will ever beat The Worm.

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  144. The Belly-To-Back was his finisher, but the German was another invention of his.

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  145. I remember him doing a crazy sell of the RKO at One Night Stand 2007 to end his WWE run and go to TNA. It almost looked like the move was botched and his neck had been broken, and Orton's looking of uncertainty afterwards added to the effect.

    Weird how both RVD and Jericho usually seem to get written off via Orton beatdowns. Guess he was called the Legend Killer for a reason …

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  146. I...really don't think much of Dean Ambrose, wrestling wise. Some of the worst punches I've ever seen in my life.

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  147. I'd rather not watch an old Billy Robinson match, but I keep to your point.


    People who think technical wrestling is 'boring' or 'filler'...I just don't get. I don't know why WWE is so down on it, the crowd usually pops for reversals and the like and it doesn't seem as hard on the body as bumping does.

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  148. Who had the last great one? Hall?

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  149. I'll take this in a different direction. Finishers in ECW in general.

    So you've been hit by chairs in the face, fallen out of the ring a few times, whipped into some rails, punched around a bit, fell through a table and off the scaffolding and I think someone threw a brick at you a few minutes ago. You're too extreme for any of that!

    But a belly to belly in the middle of the ring? Yeah you're not getting up from that.



    Yeah OK.

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  150. Well, piledrivers aren't power moves, and somersaults aren't power moves either.


    Y'see the move works quite simply, it's like a headlock dragging somebody around the ring, you're not doing it by force, the person moves because you have control over a part of their body. In 'real' grappling, you can move a persons body by controlling their thumb. In the Canadian Destroyer, Petey's powerful legs latch themselves around the neck of his opponent, and then when Petey flips, the opponent has no choice but to flip with him, otherwise their neck would be broken. Their neck and shoulder muscles are not stronger than Petey's thighs. Petey is simply manipulating the body's natural methods of movement, the back is less flexible than the front.


    If you think an inverted suplex doesn't violate suspension of disbelief, there's no reason the Canadian Destroyer should.

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  151. People gotta go back to school, we got some no physics knowing motherfuckers in this thread tonight.

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  152. I hope somebody brings back the Heart Punch, or like a Vulcan Nerve Pinch.


    I want somebody to justify their finisher as being so dominant because of their mastery of oriental magic.

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  153. You'd have to work the knee fist.

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  154. Did he chug two beers afterwards?

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  155. Then you just drop them on their face... or if they're REALLY unlucky, the top of their head when their feet still clip the top rope on the way down.

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  156. Still better than the Reviving Elbow.

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  157. You say that like anything is better than the reviving elbow.

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  158. Dammit. Now I want a coffee.

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  159. And did he flip everyone off who was watching it afterwards?

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  160. Psychology in a bar fight?

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  161. Personally: eh. Good for you.

    As resident of Cardinal Nation who has to deal with these people: BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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  162. Utah up by 2 over UCLA with :30 left. Down goes 70% of the Top 10.

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  163. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 4, 2014 at 11:55 PM

    And down goes UCLA. IT'S TIME TO SHAKE THINGS UP, as Vince would say.

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  164. They deserved to lose that game. 10 sacks is rediculous

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  165. Mick Foley falling off the Cell. That looked totally fake.

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  166. I can't watch the end of Cal-Wazzu because DirecTV so I guess I should sleep now.

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  167. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 5, 2014 at 12:11 AM

    PUSH IT REAL GOOD

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  168. IT'S TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!

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  169. Oh hey look Boise St-Nevada in a shootout is still on. Thanks CBSSN.

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  170. I dunno. The Meltzer Driver is a pretty organic looking move, if you ask me.

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  171. Cards will win the series.

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  172. I'm a big fan of Reigns' regular punches. They look and sound great. Kane's uppercut is always nice and vicious too.

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  173. Nooooo, the Haku move you gotta use in bar fights is the "tear his eye out with your bare hands". That one is effective.

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  174. The Crossface/Walls of Jericho combo Benoit and Jericho put on Austin that time was pretty awesome.

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  175. Landing a turnbuckle heatbut and hitting bone? No pain. Missing and hitting mat on your knees and belly? Match over.

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  176. It took me many months to recover from a minor stroke...three years later i still have the occasional issue. It's my fault. ..if there's a next time, i want everyone around me to clap in unison and I'll be fine. Or, hit me with a top rope elbow and I'll pop right up like nothing's wrong, BROTHER

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  177. If that happened in a TNA match, the rest of the bout would be an empty arena match.

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  178. Well, the only people who don't work the limb prior to a submission are babyfaces, and if you're getting into a bar fight, you're probably a heel.

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  179. I knew this thread would be all about Mysterio, I still don't get it. Hitting the ropes a certain way is no different than a guy *always* laying in the middle of the ring for 90 seconds during any RVD or Eddie or Macho match. Or a guy just happening to hang out on another guy's shoulders for 45 seconds during any Cena or Punk or Brock match.



    Honestly the moves that lose me the most are the leg moves like the Figure Four or the Sharpshooter, if someone grabbed your legs like that you'd instinctively, I don't know...kick.

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  180. Here's one I remember from my childhood: when someone is standing outside the ropes on the apron, holding the top rope with both hands, and someone inside the ring grabs the rope and pushes out and pulls it back to fling the opponent over the top, back into the ring. I don't think I've seen it used in the past 20 years.

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  181. Gotta disagree with Figure Four and Sharpshooter. I've shoot applied them to people.

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  182. Hall and Savage are my favorites

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  183. In Bret Hart's book, Bret acknowledges that the sharpshooter would be basically impossible to apply to an uncooperative opponent. As a kid/teenager, I managed to slap it on some friends that fought like hell. The figure four can very quickly be applied to people of all shapes & sizes, as I've done it many times before.


    Why am I going through life putting people into these holds? You have your business & I have mine.

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  184. http://youtu.be/_PxeBkk6AlI

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  185. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 5, 2014 at 3:01 AM

    SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT

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  186. Yeah, Rock used to win all the time with spinebuster/scoop slam + The People's Elbow.

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  187. One of the old ones they used to tack on the Irish Whip was where wrestler A fell to the ground and wrestler B ran over the top of him. I actually liked it a lot, but you probably wouldn't get away with it in a real fight.

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  188. "Fucking" Wrestling is its own genre. Mostly with ladies but occasionally with Tyler Black.

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  189. The Worm is no more or less ridiculous than the People's Elbow or the Five Knuckle Shuffle. (All of which I find very silly in addition to not working very well in actual fights.)

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  190. Well getting shot by a .50 cal isn't better, nor is being gangbanged in jail.


    Other than that, and a few other equally extreme things, yeah, just about anything is better.

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  191. I hope not.

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  192. I always hated the ropewalk, even as a kid who was generally in awe of Taker. All the guy ahs to do is lean backward or forward and Taker is effed.

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  193. TJ: Brodus Clay's shoot was terrible. Seriously, don't do a shoot interview if you're going to give politically correct answers or dodge questions. It's a waste of time. No, WWE isn't going to sign you, Clay, just because you said all these nice things about the.

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  194. When anyone does a suicide dive. I mean the guy literally just stands on the outside and waits.

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