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The SmarK Rant for Monday Night RAW–10.16.95

The SmarK Rant for Monday Night RAW – 10.16.95

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Taped from Grand Rapids, MI. WEEK FOUR, BABY.

Your hosts are Vince McMahon & Jerry Lawler.

Hunter Hearst Helmsley v. Doink the Clown

But first, BREAKING NEWS. Mabel and Dean Douglas were both fined $7500 for their attack on Undertaker last week! Vince: “In medical terms, he suffered a crushed face.” I hope James Andrews didn’t give that diagnosis. Doink goofs around and tweaks HHH’s nose, but makes himself dizzy and Hunter puts him down with a clothesline. This feels like the kind of match you’d see on sitcoms where they needed a couple of cartoonish gimmicks to parody wrestling with. “Look, the blueblood snob is fighting the clown!” Hunter controls with a chinlock, but Doink cradles for two. Backslide gets two. Doink misses a crossbody, however, and a weak Pedigree finishes at 3:46. *1/2

Meanwhile, Barry Horowitz tries to teach Hakushi how to be American.

WWE tag team titles: The Smoking Gunns v. PG-13

This was apparently another dark match tryout that got put on TV to pad out the taping cycle to four weeks. The powers that be were really impressed with the act, but they were just too small to get a deal. Clearly this is very early in the taping, as the upper deck is almost totally empty and people are wandering around finding their seats. JC Ice tries his kung fu on Bart and gets clotheslined, but comes back with his own and dances. That goes badly for him, as Bart throws PG-13 around and they bail. Billy works on Wolfie’s arm, but JC trips him up and the challengers take over with cheapshots on the floor. Wolfie goes to the chinlock and they double-team Billy as we take a break. Back with Wolfie missing a dropkick and getting catapulted into JC, and it’s hot tag Bart. Sidewinder finishes Wolfie at 7:00. This was little more than a squash and the Gunns looked pretty bored out there. I’m not gonna sit here and advocate for PG-13 or anything because really they were too small to get over in that environment and probably would have snorted their paycheck away and died, but maybe they should have gotten a shot.

Meanwhile, on some house show, Jim Cornette cuts a promo on Diesel about the PPV. British Bulldog is DISGUSTED with the lack of respect he gets.

Meanwhile, Ahmed Johnson cuts his introductory promo, and I swear to all that is holy that I could literally only make out 3 words from his entire speech.

Dean Douglas v. Joe Dorgan

This squash was notable only for Shawn Michaels calling in, fresh off being beaten by TEN MEN in Syracuse. This number would increase to 15 over the years, but the story was still fresh. He’ll be at In Your House no matter what! Douglas finishes with the fisherman’s suplex at 2:00.

Cage match: Isaac Yankem v. Bret Hart

Bret pounds away in the corner and makes the first escape attempt, but Yankem runs him into the cage and drops elbows. Bret fights him off and climbs again, but Yankem runs him into the cage and climbs himself. Bret decides to YANKEM down (ha!) and goes for the door, but the ref is unable to unlock it because Jerry Lawler has in fact stolen the original lock. We take a break and return with a SPECIAL BULLETIN scrolling on the screen about how you can call the Superstar Line to get more info on the Shawn Michaels attack. Bret works on his leg and puts him in the Sharpshooter, but of course that goes nowhere. Bret climbs, but now Lawler interferes to stop him, which brings out Interim President Gorilla Monsoon to lock the King in the penalty cage. So Lawler gets hoisted into the air while Bret continues this boring match with Yankem. They slug it out in the corner while Lawler clowns in the mini-cage and basically steals the show, doing commentary from the cage while cheering on Yankem and pretending to be terrified of heights. Lawler has a nosebleed, and shockingly it’s not censored as we take another break. This just keeps GOING as Bret comes back and they punch each other in meandering fashion. Yankem keeps him from climbing and hits the DDS while people are literally walking out of the arena in droves at the end of the taping. Lawler gives Yankem the key to the cage, but Bret punches him in the nuts and hits the FIVE MOVES OF DOOM before climbing out at 19:30 to win. This was CLEARLY not intended for TV. *1/2 Easily one of Bret’s worst TV matches ever.

Next week: Live again, thank god, with Bertha Faye defending against Alundra Blayze! Boy, there’s a title switch I bet they wish they could take back.

This show was literally assembled from leftover pieces of the taping and inserted promos. Total waste of time.

Comments

  1. "Bertha Faye defending against Alundra Blayze! Boy, there’s a title switch I bet they wish they could take back."


    Especially Alundra.

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  2. PG-13 should have gotten a decent run in the WWF at the time. Probably a tag title run at some point. It's a shame really.

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  3. Speaking of bad gimmicks and Raw during this time....Brian Bayless where are you!? I just found some "legal" Bruce Pritchard youshoots and I can't believe how he blames the talent for thier lousy gimmicks during his tenure!!! Goon, mantaur, Booger. He says EVERY gimmick he helped create could have work if the performer tried but they didn't and it failed. He deserves more hatred than Mr. Russo. Review it please!

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  4. They wouldn't have because of Vince and how they.looked

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  5. Screw them. WWF wasnt using her and wcw offered her a lot of money to work for them... she did the right thing and it's just too bad vince won in the end.

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  6. "She did the right thing"

    Sort of. She should've given the title back. Tossing it in the garbage on Nitro was a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad career move.

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  7. I'm pretty sure Debrah would disagree with your take on "burning your bridges"="the right thing.

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  8. Weren't they the rappers for the original version of the Nation of Domination? Didn't they wrestle in WWF during that time? Or am I thinking of someone else?

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  9. When are you gonna stop reviewing this crap?!!? Go back to Nitro

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  10. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 28, 2014 at 11:15 PM

    That's them, but if they wrestled it was just quick matches where they got squashed.


    I want to say they were in WCW at one point too, but never got past the c-shows.

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  11. That was them but they weren't really treated as a regular team or anything more than a pair of managers.

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  12. Were the three words you managed to make out from Ahmed's promo "You," "Gubba" and "Dun?"

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  13. Keep up with the class. The plan is to review this crap until it hits January 96, at which point I start alternating shows each night.

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  14. According to Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels was beaten down by 50 armed marines. Then Hogan showed up and cleared them all out with one half of a toothpick. Michaels died the next day.

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  15. what's the actual story about Shawn getting beat up by 10 guys in Syracuse? I feel like I read the whole back story on this years ago and just forget.

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  16. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 28, 2014 at 11:28 PM

    Brian Bayless Update: He can't hear you, as he is up to his eyeballs in Aruban spider monkeys.

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  17. Too little to make it big, naturally, and they were so sleazy and scummy (Jamie in particular) that even ECW didn't want to keep them around. But damn, PG-13 were an amazing, amazing team. Great babyfaces, great heels.

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  18. She was more or less under contract for the rest of WCW's existence, without having to do a whole lot. What the hell was the WWF going to use her for, particularly if she stuck around into the Attitude Era? The future of wrestling--not that she could have known this at the time--was Sable and Debra, not homelier women who got by on wrestling talent more than looks.

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  19. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 28, 2014 at 11:34 PM

    Oy.....blue blood snob, a clown, a couple of cowboys, a condescending teacher and an evil dentist.


    It's like Career Day at Herr Schmidt's School of German Expressionism.

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  20. OMG, that's gonna take forever :'(


    I really hated 1995 RAW. Are we getting closer to the Enzuiguri of doom yet?

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  21. I wish he could review '95 Raws forever :) the best time to be a fan growing up.

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  22. He got beat up by one guy, threatened a lawsuit, nobody could keep their story straight on how many people were involved, and the WWF dropped it know they would lose, and knowing it wouldn't be good press to have half of their WrestleMania main event and future WWF champion in court over getting his ass kicked by one guy.

    The long version of this is covered in depth in Titan Sinking (http://getBook.at/TitanSinking), which we think is the most accurate coverage of the whole thing as we talked to the defence lawyer in the case several times and were given access to documents about the case.

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  23. I think PG-13 were featured in the tag team title tournament that was won by David Flair & Crowbar.

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  24. The description of that Hakushi/Horowitz thing sounds offensive as hell but actually watching it I'm impressed they portrayed Barry as the idiot and Hakushi knowing more.

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  25. If Medusa hadn't napalmed her bridge, she could've tried a comeback during the WWE's "hot chicks who aren't absolute shit in-ring" era. Blayze v. Trish? Blayze v. Lita? Yes please.

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  26. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 28, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    IB YOU OUGHTTA STAB UP TA PUNCHY, BRIG IT OWN"

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  27. Isaac Yankem had to be the worst gimmick ever. Who in their right mind would think that anything could ever be done with an evil dentist? Evil dentist seems like a pretty short ceiling to hit, what could have possibly been the endgame? Yankem main eventing Wrestlemania? Yankem being WWE champion? Was this a Cornette or a Vince McMahon idea?

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  28. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 28, 2014 at 11:59 PM

    Well that was racist.

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  29. I was a fan growing up and it sucked balls. I was 7

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  30. I wonder what was going through Vince McMahon's mind when he first saw PG-13? I assume he just thought they were ripping off Men On a Mission's gimmick because he had no idea rap was a thing outside of what Mabel and Mo were doing.

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  31. A lot of the Southern acts seem like that- I think both SMW & USWA had a shitload of guys who were great workers, great talkers and wonderful "minds for the business" types, yet almost every one of them looked like the kind of guy absolutely any fan could have beaten up in an actual fight.
    Much as I criticize Vince & Hunter's muscle-fixations, a wrestler should AT LEAST look a LITTLE tough.

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  32. Seriously only one guy? Way I heard it it was a Marine and a couple friends, with the WWF exaggerating it (with Shawn's help) until it was like 10-15. Weren't Waltman & Bulldog there, too, but didn't want to get involved?

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  33. Eh. Dirty White Boy and Tracy Smothers were both utterly wasted in the WWF. Not that either guy would have been at the same level they were in SMW, but they could both work, both talk, and neither guy was a cruiserweight by any stretch.


    White Boy wasn't a WWF-style bodybuilder, but he looked like a guy who'd shoot you just to check if his gun was still working. There's something to that.


    And if there's one thing UFC has thankfully proven, it's that muscles don't make you tough--sometimes just the opposite. I live in the home of the Arnold Fitness Expo, and there's nothing like seeing some jacked-up bodybuilder douchebag trying to pick a bar fight with some 150-pound Brazilian jiu jitsu practitioner and getting his oversized ass kicked. You can call it like the sunrise.

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  34. What's funnier is that Madusa was a pretty shitty worker, too (watching her against the Japanese women was always funny, because she's being carried by ELITE calibre workers). She had a good body at the time, but her face was busted.

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  35. Smothers is one of those guys I find interesting because I've seen literally none of his non-WWF work, and have to go entirely off the opinions of others. Anthony too, but Smothers is one of those guys treated like he had potential beyond some minor WWF & ECW runs.

    I HATED Freddie Joe Floyd, looking back. I thought he looked like a jobber, and wanted Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw to kick his ass in their mini-feud.

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  36. You were 7. Maybe you missed all the subtle nuances and adult themes Vince was presenting to us :)

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  37. From what I remember Shawn and friends were drunk. You're not going to kick anyone's ass in that state.

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  38. I think in Vince's mind most of the gimmicks he comes up with or approves he probably believes they're good gimmicks and if it doesn't work it's probably the wrestler's fault.

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  39. What was so adult about 1995?

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  40. I actually remember this RAW. I felt really bad for Jerry Lawler and his nosebleed. Thought it was really cruel that they were doing that to him.

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  41. Well for instance you may have saw Bret Hart fight an evil dentist inside a cage, but us smart fans read between the lines and we saw an analogy of equal rights and when Bret was trying to escape the cage, he was really trying to break the chains of oppression and everytime he did that, the man (Jerry Lawler) tried to hold him down and keep him in his place. It was all really quite beautiful in it's storytelling.

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  42. Hey, BOD bookers, I think Tom Dawkings needs a push.

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  43. It's amusing watching this show now and hearing Issac Yankem cut a promo sounding exactly like Kane.

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  44. I imagine Madusa in the Attitude Era would basically be her 1999-2000 WCW run but on Raw instead of Nitro. She had a fake rack so they would have found something for her.

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  45. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNuz1sO8hss

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  46. According to the recently released book about the WWF's downfall in 1995 "Titan Sinking", Lawler intentionally picked at a scab in his nose until it bled and then when Vince panicked at the trickle of blood in the ring, Lawler acted like his nosebleed was due to a fear of heights. It makes sense considering that Lawler was never involved in a cage match that didn't have blood.

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  47. If Joey Styles can whip Bradshaw's ass in a fight, then Tracey Smothers would have murdered him.

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  48. You'd assume wrong.

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  49. There is way worse gimmicks out there. Hyperbole machine in full effect.

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  50. So why don't you youtube them? You don't have to take anyone's word when you can look yourself.

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  51. The gimmick might have worked if it had debuted one year later and played off the success of the great Larry Cohen movie "The Dentist". It also would have helped if Issac had some twisted motivation to torture his opponents like trying to knock their teeth out because he caught his wife screwing the poolboy.

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  52. He never said that

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  53. Yeah, don't think an evil dentist is any worse than a grown man in a turkey suit calling himself the Gobbledy Gooker. And besides, one of the best horror movies of all time was about an evil dentist so the concept was okay but the execution of the concept was horrible.

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  54. It was one guy, Douglas Griffith, a Marine who was on leave. Shawn was fucked up on pills and didn't have Kevin Nash there to babysit him, just Sean Waltman and Davey Boy Smith, who were both hammered. Shawn was hitting on Griffith's ex girlfriend, which is where it gets murky. One the one hand, either Shawn was being a total pick and Griffith didn't like it, or he wasn't and Griffith was just jealous. The club owner knew shit was about to go down and tried to get them out, but Griffith followed them out with two of his friends, which is where the fight happened.

    Griffith accused them of being phony wrestlers, which pissed Davey Boy off but he was already in the back of the car, the car only had two doors, and Waltman was passed out in the front seat, meaning it took Davey, who was huge of course, an age to get out of the car. From all accounts, Griffith's friends were just watching to make sure it didn't get out of hand, and never got involved, and Griffith eventually dragged Shawn of his seat and slammed the car door against his head, then ripped his earrings clean out. Griffith and his guys ended up fleeing when then cops finally showed up.

    The next day, Shawn remembered literally nothing of the incident, and neither did Waltman, and everyone's police statements were different and had no consistency regarding the number of guys in the fight or any of that stuff, so even though Griffith was arrested, everyone thought the wrestlers were full of shit. In fact, the defence lawyer we interviewed fully believed Griffith's side of the story, and was confident of winning the lawsuit on account everyone's evidence being so unreliable. He also knew that the WWF had to cover for Shawn by claiming more marines than were really there, but once they did that, they would then have to go to court and lie, or have it reported by the press that one guy beat up the WWF champion (he would have been at the time they hit court) and that the company were liars, so they dropped the case. They also would have had to admit that Shawn and Davey were hanging out at clubs together, despite being enemies on TV, and knew it would be pushed as a "scandal" by the media.

    As it turns out, the whole thing led to Shawn getting a bunch of sympathy heat and they tied it in to his concussion angle and Royal Rumble comeback, so it worked out pretty well for them, although Bill Watts wanted to fire all three guys for getting their asses kicked, and for violating kayfabe.

    But yeah, get our book, we cover this all in detail with actual witness testimony, having had access to the actual case files.

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  55. Debra was ugly as sin and she definitely wasn't the future of the business. And if sable was the future of the business I guess the business ended in 99

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  56. Great book by the way. I especially love all of Cornette's tidbits, he must have given you guys a ton of great info that didn't even make the book.

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  57. Unless you're Dick Murdoch or Harley Race.

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  58. Shut the fuck up.

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  59. Make me. Dude can look them up and make a decision for himself whether they were good or not. You on the other hand can fuck off.

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  60. You really make me miss Meekin.

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  61. Thank you! And yes, free is always an excellent way of doing things (especially as we still get a kickback from that. Pocket money, sure, but it keeps us in Network subscriptions!)

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  62. The only reason Debra got any TV time after 1999 was entirely because of Steve Austin. I believe it was told in Scott's book "Wrestling's One Ring Circus" that she was always complaining to Steve about "gettin' her TV tapin' time".

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  63. Why can't he go on holiday to be swamped in cheap ladyboys, like the rest of us?

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  64. Why does it matter to you if he makes an off-hand comment that he's heard about Smothers, but has not seen his non-WWF work? Maybe he's never made it a priority. You are a fucking retard.

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  65. No problemo, you guys deserve the awareness. Not to mention all of your other great books are available on Kindle Unlimited as well.

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  66. They were the immediate future of the business: bad wrestlers with implants and blonde hair who could get into Playboy. Later, being able to do moves well got reintroduced.

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  67. When are you going to start on WWF Superstars?

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  68. Why is that then?

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  69. Don't know what to even look for. What are his highlights?

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  70. I saw that on Amazon the other day, is it any good?

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  71. Same reason it matters to you when I make a comment. However unlike you im trying to be constructive. By all means though troll away

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  72. He's not making a suggestion; he's looking for a reason to be an asshole.

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  73. Tracy smothers vs candida in a ladder match if you can find it is a good start. Never saw much Tony anthony tbf

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  74. No, you're not trying to be constructive. You being an asshole to people here for no reason and me calling you an asshole is not the same as you being a dick and telling someone to look up fucking Tracy Smothers outside of WWF.

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  75. Why didn't you just say that in the first place? Oh, that's right, you needed an opportunity to be an asshole.

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  76. Ah OK, good to know :).

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  77. Says the guy trolling me because he has nothing better to do. Suggesting someone look them up isn't being an asshole. What you do when I post? That's being an asshole.

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  78. *you're

    As in you're an idiot, or you're trolling me because you're pathetic and can't stand seeing me post.

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  79. It's definitely worth buying. But you can also read it for free if you have Kindle Unlimited. If you don't have it yet then you can get a 30 day trial of the service on Amazon's website.

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  80. Because Vince mcmahon is cognizant of more than you believe. However he's set in his ways and doesn't take anything anyone else is doing seriously until it's become so mainstream he can't ignore it any longer?

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  81. Good deal. Just scrolled further down and saw all the stuff from the guy who wrote it. :) Impressive level of detail!

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  82. Blimey, never seen this much detail about it before. Interesting stuff. Sir, I am going to buy your book!

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  83. Bill Watts wanted to fire SHAWN MICHAELS and the headliner
    of the next PPV for violating kayfabe. Good god. Watts was freaking nuts.

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  84. I feel that your first sentence feels like your own assumption, which I don't feel is any more... credible than CM Gentleman's assumption feels like. That's just the way that my feelings feel.*


    Whereas, it's known that Vince saw Oscar doing a kind of rap 'routine' at some club, and hired him for his act. With that in mind, it suggests to me that Vince saw what Oscar was doing, as a novelty act, an example of outsider culture, at best.


    So, the idea that Vince might see another act also rapping and think "Hey, they're doing that funny singing-talking-yo-yo-yo thing that my dancing black guys do!", is one that I would suggest is quite a believable assumption.


    Whereas, your assumption of Vince McMahon being cognisant of anything outside of WWE is one that is contradicted by everything I've heard from any former co-workers, about him. By Foley, Jericho - people who like him as well as those bitching about him.


    Sorry that this post is so long, but I wanted to show how I'm reading all of this, for the purpose of better communication between us, big guy.


    * I asked Brock Lesnar to help me with this bit.

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  85. This is about when Raw debuted in the UK, right? Can't believe we had to wait so long. I'd stopped watching as a kid at this point.

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  86. Thank you muchly!

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  87. She was right though in saying that WWF treated womens wrestling as a bit of a joke. She sure showed them when she wrestled her first match in WCW against Colonel Robert Parker.

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  88. Yeah, just his outdated, hardline approach I guess. It's interesting because earlier in the year, they had a "clear the air" meeting at Titan Tower where they invited all the boys to bring up any issues they had, and Bam Bam bitched about the KLIQ travelling together on the European tour despite being on opposite sides of the face/heel divide, and it was either Shawn, Diesel or Razor (it's in the book but I forget offhand) who stood up and said "Listen motherfucker, I'm on the road 30 days solid, if I want to travel with my buddies I will, and if the fans are travelling from town to town and seeing the EXACT same matches and finishes every night, I think they already know it's all bullshit anyway!"

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  89. I appreciate your lack of brevity for it proves that you aren't just trolling and rather looking for a discussion. As to your points, in the late eighties the rap industry had started to explode onto the scene and by the early nineties (at least in the U.S., I can not speak for other countries) if you were touring big cities and urban areas you could not escape the rap movement. Not to say there weren't places where nobody had heard of rap, Id suggest those were the exception not the norm.

    The people you mentioned spoke of a vince from the mid nineties forward. While it's possible he were clueless, it's more probable that he had heard rap or of it at the very least. Whether he liked it or thought it a fad would be up to debate. It's also possible that he was late to the rap party because unlike what the bod claims to do, vince actually waits to see how it goes before putting it on television. Jumping on a fad that dies off quick can make your product look dated and out of touch leading to less profit and more ridicule that at the time he couldn't afford to have.

    Sorry for length, I felt your response deserved something a bit longer than what I usually post.

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  90. Here's the match John's referring to:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAWtHz01t8

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  91. Dr. Giggles was fucking horrible and not in a good way (if that's the movie you are talking about).

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  92. I miss Ahmed Johnson promos. There is a botchamania of him giving a promo that has subtitles.

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  93. But do you get it? He was up, NOSE BLEED section level!! GET IT??

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  94. MaffewOfBotchamaniaOctober 29, 2014 at 5:37 AM

    Just the fact that a Bret Hart match that was supposed to be a House Show whatever match ended up on TV is another reason to love 1995 WWF.

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  95. Why was Lawler mic'd up in that mini cage if they weren't planning on using this? They must have at least known it would be an option to use it. Kinda gives Bret no excuse for going half-speed.

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  96. That response cracked me up.

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  97. And he almost looks like Kane without mask. ;-) ;-)

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  98. They could be twins!!!

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  99. My God, you may be on to something here!

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  100. But before Shawn died he called Bret Hart to his bedside and told him, with tears in his eyes, that he was the best worker Shawn had ever seen. Bret then carried Shawn's corpse to a 30-minute classic.

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  101. I've been watching wwe network all night and I haven't seen one commercial.

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  102. They would have likely planned on using it for a Coliseum Video Exclusive or something along those lines.

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  103. Heel Rock N Rolls (with Mark Curtis managing them) against babyface PG-13 from Memphis in the SMW invasion angle is perhaps one of the most awesome matches in history. PG-13 really deserved a shot at SOMETHING on the big stage.

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  104. Man, Bret had "dogging it in TV taping dark matches" down to an art form. I saw him do it twice, once with Owen and once with Diesel in a cage, and it was mind boggling that it was the same guy who could put on a good match with anyone on TV.

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  105. I went on thehistoryofwwe.com for 1995 to see the full taping results and I'm not sure I understand what's meant to have happened. Why the assumption this is a dark match they stuck on TV? Apart from it's awfulness. Did they find themselves a match short? Nothing else on this show would pass as a main event even in 1995.

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  106. You were being a dick and I called you out for such.

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  107. Don’t apologise, bro. If all your comments
    were like this, you’d annoy less people and get into less arguments on here.

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  108. Nope, I don't give a shit if you post or not. Just don't be an asshole.

    Also, thanks for the grammar lesson, but it already says "you're" as in "you're a colossal fuckwad."

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  109. Sounds like Nash.

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  110. In one of those talking heads, there's one of Lawler talking about the deviated septum in his nose, and that he just had to put his finger in there to get things going.

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  111. Here's the REALLY confusing part: If the Gunns/PG-13 match was early in the taping, that means the Gunns' title win from "three weeks" prior was actually done after this match, which must have been really weird for the lvd audience. And yet they still popped huge for the title change.

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  112. But... he had bad teeth!

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  113. I've watched quite a few things since they started ads and have only seen one so far. I think it was the first thing I watched after they started doing it, and haven't seen another since.

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  114. They were a masked, high spot tag team in the USWA called the Cyberpunks for a while. Doing the whole "Yellow Dog" thing.

    No excuse for WCW not to snatch up them up as such, unless their drug use was of legendary proportions.

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  115. AverageJoeEverymanOctober 29, 2014 at 8:01 AM

    Were the three words you could make out "Yu Gubba Dunn!!"

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  116. AverageJoeEverymanOctober 29, 2014 at 8:10 AM

    YOU BASTARD! I didnt see this before posting mine, and my Ahmedeese is almost identical except You = Yuh

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  117. AverageJoeEverymanOctober 29, 2014 at 8:11 AM

    They also introduced me to "Yo mamma so fat that when she's told to haul ass she has to make 2 trips!"

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  118. AverageJoeEverymanOctober 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM

    SURE make the JEW the idiot!!

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  119. AverageJoeEverymanOctober 29, 2014 at 8:17 AM

    could have just been after an intermission or something with fans filing back in

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  120. That's pretty late for an intermission, considering the title change happened on the live show, which ended at 10pm.


    I went to a few Raw tapings when they would do four weeks at a time and they usually taped two-thirds of it before the live hour. They saved just a little and a dark match for after 10pm. Continuity was weird, but never to the extent of having guys come out with titles, and then "win" them later in the night.

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  121. Meltzer talked about it in the WON after the live show, noting that he was told that the cage match was dark because it was so shitty and they only needed three weeks of tapings. Presumably the taping schedule then changed and they had to stretch the show out to a fourth week, I'm not sure.

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  122. The taping results on historyofwwe.com don't indicate the actual order taped, either, just the order they aired on the shows, so I don't know when the tag match actually happened, but that upper deck was EMPTY on the show and the match was described as happening early in the taping as a dark tryout match for them. Very confusing.

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  123. They sure as hell looked like they were only prepared for three weeks of shows, considering they ran the entire Yankem-Bret Summerslam match and padded out the end of the third episode like crazy.


    The big question is what the fuck were they planning to do for the fourth week. It's not like they didn't know there were four weeks worth of shows between PPVs. Very weird. But fitting with the clusterfuckness of the era, when they often were caught with their pants down as Nitro started ramming it up their ass.

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  124. Of course Bret felt Shawn's corpse was sandbagging him and trying to make him look bad.

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  125. After you edited it maybe. I wasn't being an asshole. I told him to google them and make his own decision. You came along acting the ass

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  126. I wasn't. You just don't like me so you take anything I say in the worst possible way.

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  127. I've just finished the first chapter of the book using my Kindle unlimited and am unimpressed. 10% of the book is already gone and we haven't touched on 1995. I understand the notion of setting the scene, but this seems excessive. Beyond that, everything reads like a Vince apology. Saying that Vince felt heartache over Art Barr's death and other snapshots of people leaving for the "money" is humorous. Is Hogan an angel for leaving the WWF? No, but lets not act like Vince hasn't kept his end of many bargains in the past. I am about ready to cut my losses with this one.

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  128. Ahmed was like a long lost Road Warrior. This was awesome to say the least.

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  129. On the other hand, Marathon Man was scary as hell.

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  130. Wait.....one of the greatest face tag teams of all time, the originators of "playing Ricky Morton" playing heel? And you're telling me it worked?


    Gimme your keys, you're drunk.

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  131. If all people responded to me in the way he did rather than with attacks or troll attempts Id annoy less people and get into less arguments around here. That would involve them admitting that I might not be a troll though, something I don't see happening anytime soon.

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  132. He was digging for gold but couldn't attain the championship.

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  133. Oh hell no, that movie was horrifically atrocious. I was referring to The Dentist.

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  134. I never edited it my post. Maybe you just can't read.

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