Sunday, October 19, 2014

Waiting for the Trade - Captain America


Waiting for the Trade

Captain America: Castaway in Dimension Z (2)
by Rick Remender & John Romita Jr.
collects Captain America (2012) issues 6-10.
 

Why I Bought This: I wanted the complete story of Cap in Dimension Z so I actually grabbed volumes 1 and 2 at the same time (on FCBD with a 40% discount per trade).

 
The Plot: Cap storms Zola’s fortress in a bid to rescue his son and prevent Zola’s plan to invade the Earth.

(spoilers below)

 
Chapter 1 – Jet is praying as she finds herself tempted by Cap both physically and his ideals. When the camera pulls out we see the church is a shrine to Zola. Cap kills the mutate guards as he gain access to the castle. Jet and Ian debate the value of goodness. Zola is melting the Phrox into biological clay in an attempt to grow them into clones of Steve but is unsuccessful. Zola then talks to Ian and is less willing to debate his values than Jet. He ends up strapping Ian to a chair Clockwork Orange style to brainwash him into thinking like a Zola. Steve finds Jet in the shower and threatens her with a laser gun to tell him where Ian is. She does not believe Cap will shoot her and refuses to talk and Cap seemingly kills her. Meanwhile Ian’s brainwashing takes hold.

Chapter 2 – We get a flashback to Cap and Ian enjoying a picnic two years ago as Steve tells Ian about Steve’s own father and promises to always be there for Ian. Cap kills more mutates as he comes through the hall. Jet is indeed not dead and frees herself from the ropes Cap tied her in, then warns her father via radio that Cap is coming for Ian. Cap kills one of his Gamma clones then comes face to face with Jet. This time they fight to a stalemate until Cap stops to save a Phrox female. Afterwards Cap convinces Jet to do the right thing. Meanwhile Zola’s castle has become a rocket and is preparing to invade Earth by infecting everyone with the Zola virus. Steve and Jet split up then Steve is shot in the back by Ian.

Chapter 3 – Cap is pummeled by the gamma-clone and believes he may be dying but then rallies for Ian’s sake to defeat it. Ian attacks Steve and accuses him of kidnapping him. Cap punches Ian and retreats hoping he can escape to Earth and send the FF to rescue the boy. Ian recovers and picks up a jagged replica shield the gamma-clone had. Meanwhile Jet frees the Phrox but is discovered by her father. Ian presses the assault on Cap while presenting a counter-argument to Cap’s ideals. Ian wins this fight and inflicts another grievous wound with the barbed-shield. He is about to execute Cap but Steve talks about how people can choose to be different than their fathers which helps Ian shake off the brainwashing. And then Ian is shot through the neck from behind and falls into a vat of chemicals as Sharon Carter arrives to save Cap.

Chapter 4 – A quick flashback to six years ago as Ian catches fish and Steve paints a portrait of them together. Now Sharon tells Steve he has only been missing 30 minutes and believes Zola implanted false memories of the decade plus he spent with Ian. Sharon evacuates Steve and informs she has set the castle to blow with C-4. Sharon kills some mutates and gets Steve to stand up. Meanwhile Zola is about to defeat Jet but Steve makes the save. Cap is beating Zola to death but he launches his virus towards Earth then throws himself and Cap off the fortress. Cap lands hard and Zola is strangling him but Cap detonates a grenade in Zola’s bio-suit. Jet arrives to see her father dying and in his final act he saves her from an avalanche. With his dying words he tells her to finish his work and tells her he loved her.

Chapter 5 – Jet is bereft and when Steve tells her Ian is also dead and that Sharon intends to blow up her home she attacks Sharon and steals the detonator. This leads to a sky cycle race with Steve and Sharon chasing Jet while the mutates chase the heroes. Cap takes down the mutates and Sharon manages to talk sense into Jet. Zola then rises up in an enormously large body to chastise Jet for failing to avenge him. This leads to Sharon falling into Zola’s grip with the bomb in a scene reminiscent of Bucky’s classic death while Jet flies Steve through the portal home. Steve turns and runs back through the portal but already years have passed in Dimension Z. Jet pulls him back through to Earth as the portal collapses. Steve collapses bloody and in tears in an alley as the narration calls him “man further out of time.” In the epilogue we return to Dimension Z to see Ian has grown up to become a freedom fighter and is using the code name Nomad.
 

Critical Thoughts: I hate the last five pages but otherwise I really liked the story.

The positives are a lot of worked in the first volume works even better in the second volume. JRJr’s art and splash page reveals like in the church scene with Jet, when Ian is shot, when Cap saves Jet from her father, when Zola is reborn, even the Ian as Nomad finale are all standout fantastic A+ work and in some ways the art alone is worth buying the trade for. Even some of the non-splash pages like the motorcycle race in the finale are just terrific on a visual level.

I love the dynamic between Steve and Zola’s ideals. Ian’s indictment of Cap and America while he is brainwashed is terrifically written. Look no one is going to empathize with Zola’s viewpoint. The man is both a Nazi and a sadistic mad scientist but Remender manages to give a him a coherent voice and world view and that alone is quite the writing accomplishment.

I like the payoff with all the flashbacks on Steve and his father in 30s being the thing that gets through to Ian so that he chooses Steve over Zola. I thought that was well done. Ditto I think the always stand up mantra is used well in both the fight with Ian and when Sharon motivates Cap to evacuate after Ian’s seeming death.

Now let’s talk about the flaws. I think argument can be made that Jet turns on her father too easily. I think Sharon (who isn’t my favorite character to begin with) is irredeemable for shooting Ian from behind in what is meant to be a fatal shot. Okay yes, she doesn’t know who Ian is and what he means to Cap but that’s no excuse. He’s a kid and even if he has a gun she can’t think of another way to disarm him? She doesn’t trust Steve to save himself from a child that she has to go for a headshot? I think it’s too hardcore and I find it doubtful Sharon would shoot a child so casually considering she once miscarried herself. I think the cover of the issue Sharon returns is unfortunate as it spoils her return in the issue. I think Cap also miracle heals in that last chapter. He goes into a battle with a bleeding chest wound, then gets shot in the stomach and in his own narration relates his war experience to what he is feeling to assume he is dying. He is subsequently gored by a jagged shield and then thrown off a building and yet in the last chapter that seems to be forgotten as Cap goes into an extended sky cycle fight. I mean there is heroics and adrenaline and then there is ridiculous overkill and the finale leans towards the latter.

I dislike the final five pages quite a bit for two reasons. One I don’t like the “man further out of time” narration for Cap when he gets home because I think that element of his character needs to be over and done forever. Look when Stan Lee wrote the man out of time stuff it was absolutely a good story challenge for Cap because he had just woke up from a decades long freeze. But after the decade plus that Marvel time is supposed have passed since Cap woke up Steve should be adjusted by now—really any person should be adjusted by now but particularly Cap whose personal strength is what makes him who he is. It is why I never like Waid’s run on the character because he was all about playing up the Bucky loss and man out of time stuff and I felt like 'no Steve is over this by now;' especially when it hadn’t been present in the prior 200 issues of Stern, DeMetteis and Gru made Waid's use all the more jarring. Man out of time just doesn’t fit the character anymore. Stan Lee had great ideas but his best idea is these characters grow and change which is something the current editorial regime is in denial about.

 As for Ian as Nomad, just Uggg!. First it feels like a retread of a story that is less than 10 years old with Rikki Barnes as Nomad of Cap’s young sidekick from another universe taking on the role of Nomad and presumably Ian makes his way to earth struggles to fit in. Personally I’d rather they just resurrect Rikki (who I really liked in that role) then give the name to someone else, particularly someone so similar to her. But what I hate even more is Ian is now an adult. Look it was easy to guess time was going faster in Dimension Z when the story was jumping years at a time between chapters because Cap wasn’t going to be lost to the Avengers and other crossovers for 10 years (which in Marvel time is like five or more decades of stories real time), but I’d rather Cap have taken teen Ian home and raised him as a supporting character because I DESPISE the time-traveling instant adult children that permeates comics. Doing that once could be interesting I suppose but it has become Marvel’s default way of writing out children of heroes: Cyclops, Longshot and Scarlet Witch all have children that artificially aged from time traveling other dimensional nonsense. Heck the FF even pull it with Franklin from time to time although he at least snaps back to childhood. I imagine there are other examples too those are just off the top of my head. (You can also see this trope in TV shows like Angel and Charmed and it isn’t good there either). Anyway I hate that gimmick in general and was disappointed to see it show up here when the Cap-Ian dynamic as written in these trades still had plenty of unexplored story potential left.


Grade A- .   My qualms with the ending aside this is an excellent high stakes story that uses art and internal narration as good as any recent story I’ve read to build the tension in the action scenes. I will likely buy the next trade to see where Remender goes next with Cap though I hope he has more planned than just Jet as Cap’s next romantic interest.

761 comments:

  1. This was a crazy, intense and violent storyline. Romita Jr.'s fight scenes were so graphic, I could feel the beatings Cap took.

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  3. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonOctober 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Keep calm...for only $9.99!!!

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  4. I'd buy the future endeavors one.

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  5. The Warrior one had me scratching my head. I'm assuming it's from one of his whacked out promos.

    ...and Sheik is talkin' about buttsex, right?

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  6. Apparently Sullivan wasn't the greatest husband in the world either.

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  7. Hey and now both their necks are fucked too!

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  8. I saved the Hogan, Hart, and Warrior ones. Classic comedy.

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  9. They think it's a rib.

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  10. Keep Calm and Virgil Pay

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  11. A problem with Russo has always been good intentions with miserable execution. He did want to push all those guys, but it wasn't so much his being sent home (not fired, but still under contract) that sent everyone home as much as the constant change in direction and revolt from the locker room. I think up to that point, everyone was more being a good soldier with the Russo stuff.

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  12. I've never seen that one, but heard the story. That's why I think it's his YouShoot, because I'm quite certain it's not on either of his other KC DVDs (Guest Booker: WWF 1984 without Hogan and Rise and Fall of WCW.)

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  13. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO..

    IS BO-LIEVE!

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  14. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Keep Calm and Never Doubt El Dandy may be the funniest thing I've seen on the WWE website.

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  15. That seven coin salute is literally the most brilliant thing in the history of of shows about wrestling videogames.

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  16. I know I'm in the minority, but I loved the Dungeon of Doom promos.
    SUULLIVAN!!! MY SON!!! THE NEXT WARRRRRIOR I BRING TO YOU.....

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  17. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Isn't there reports he hit her? Maybe not reports but rumors.

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  18. I was tired a year-and-a-half ago.

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  19. just like how mnw and some beyond the ring are being black and white for the blood....

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  20. When those skits merely skewered the wrestlers (usually for their age) and commentators (Scheme Gene!), they were mild fun, not worth getting too excited about one way or another.
    But when they started to do all those direct attacks on Ted Turner ("If the merger is allowed to go through, he'll be broadcasting's answer to Hitler!"), it got pathetic. When they just kept Turner as the semi-clueless shmoe, with Hogan and Savage being the nuts around him, it was fine.

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  21. go watch the monday night wars on austin, and then watch beyond the ring on piper, and billy graham documentary. wwe is covering images with blood into black and white. to me this censorship...once they get into attitude era raws there going to black and white all the blood unless that policy ends. ..

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  22. I'm a big fan of Romita Jr's art(what I've seen at least) specifically his work on Daredevil and Punisher War Zone. Has he ever drawn Batman? I'd be interested in seeing him draw Batman.

    The new Cap movie has me interested in the character so I may check this out.

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  23. Cool, finally some episodes from the great but far too brief Bill Watts Era.

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  24. ...except they haven't edited that on the existing ppv footage from that era already posted. It is only new content (such as the MNW show that's censored)

    The archived raws will be left as is.

    What you're doing is making stuff up, which is odd, there are more then enough legitimate complaints to make about WWE without you inventing some, perpetuating the image of a mouth breathing, knee jerking attitude fan to busy romantizising a tv-14 rating from ten years ago.

    In short, fuck you.

    Signed: someone who doesn't even want the network.

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  25. I don't see the point of B&B. Black Blood would traumatize people with memories of that horrible WCW gimmick.

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  26. This place might be starting to pass me by. The majority of people here really know that little about Kevin Sullivan? I find that so strange. Anyways the DoD thing was some dog shit but it was exactly what hulk wanted and Sullivan just booked that crap to build up trust with the Hulkster so he could ask Hogan to do other stuff down the road.

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  27. They left in Benoit screaming at Nancy and throwing her on the ground on a random wcw ppv. They won't edit out the raws. However, wtf are you doing watching that shitty mnw doc. Not only do they fuck with the footage they are completely full of shit. Don't bother with that crap dude.

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  28. I've been out of comics for so long, but Cap has a son now?

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  29. http://youtu.be/Q46l70mNmCw

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  30. I would buy the Hogan one, brother

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  31. videos on the vod part of the network.should have both versions of each video. to allow people to choose. i just want the option to watch unaltered edition of monday night wars or any new original show and if you want to watch altered video that is your choice.

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  32. Keep Calm or I Make You Humble.


    That sounds so wrong.

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  33. Too bad the game sucks...it looks really good visually.

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  34. If we have the technology to produce pulp-free orange juice, why do we still have orange juice with pulp?

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  35. ^^^^ Agreed completely

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  36. I thought it was obvious to everyone that on-screen and behind the screen position don't necessarily have anything to with each other (if it would, a guy like Jamie Noble wouldn't have the status he allegedly currently has in the WWE).

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  37. If you want to get into Cap, I would recommend Ed Brubaker's stuff over this. "Winter Soldier," then "Red Menace" then "Death of Captain America."

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  38. Is The Thundercage the thing I think it is?

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  39. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Some people like pulp. I'm in the anti-pulp category. I'm against pulp. I take a stand against it. The illuminati keep pushing their pulp on us. It's going to come down to the pulpers against the anti-pulpers at the end. I've already created my weapon: a board with a nail in it.

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  40. How the fuck is anyone supposed to answer a question like that?

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  41. This is still a thing?

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  42. Of all of the things that you are wrong about, that is the most wrong thing that I have heard out of you.

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  43. I'm never wrong, things will be easier when you accept that.

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  44. Huh, there was a children's book written about you. Who knew?

    http://www.themistermen.co.uk/mr_men/mr_wrong.html

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  45. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    Someone needs to throw you to the Sarlaac.

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  46. I gotta build one of those. There are lines that a man has to draw, and pulp is that line.

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  47. Sarlaac has standards for fucks sake!

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  48. Can't wait for tonight's Brooklyn Nine Nine! Great SNF match up and Brooklyn Nine Nine right after.

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  49. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    Probably with a smart-ass answer.

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  50. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    Mix it half and half with Grey Goose and you can't tell the difference.

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  51. There is a finite amount of creativity each person has, I don't want to spend any of mine on the Michelin Man.

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  52. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    I want to check out that show, but I just can't stand Andre Braugher.

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  53. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    I would have just said, "no."

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  54. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    Some guy on Cracked probably has a better comeback anyway.


    Wait, that's Caliber...

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  55. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    Two new pairs of dress shoes for just about $70. Not bad, if I do say so myself.


    AND! I finally got to see myself on TV! I was awesome, if I do say so myself.

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  56. Braugher is arguably the best part of the show.

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  57. To be fair, it wasn't a question.

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  58. What? Why? He's fantastic. Steals every scene.

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  59. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Why don't you like Andre Braugher?

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  60. I guess I'll watch Havoc '89 tonight.

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  61. "Is The Thundercage the thing I think it is?"


    How is that not a question?

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  62. Nice. Better start carrying a Sharpie in case autographs are requested!

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  63. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    This gimmick is being wasted on Meekin. It should be "Shut pp Vince Jordan" or "Shut up Dougie".

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  64. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    It's a fun show. Totally worth checking out.

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  65. Brooklyn Nine Nine is one of the best shows on TV.

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  66. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Shut up Satan.

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  67. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    I think "Shut Up Meekin" rolls off the tongue easier...

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  68. I wasn't expecting it because I don't care for most of Andy Samburg's comedy stylings. But the show is great.

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  69. Yeah, I've seen it a handful of times. Love the Luger/Pillman US title match and the main event.

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  70. Fantasy Basketball Draft at 9pm EST

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  71. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Buy a Sharpie. Got it.

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  72. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    I HATED him on Homicide, and never liked him since.

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  73. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    John.

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  74. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    Is Larry Bird free?

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  75. Hmm you may be on to something here.

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  76. You have the right to remain silent.

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  77. Yeah I didn't see the question. All I saw was "Thundercage is a name I used to dance under."


    My bad.

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  78. No he is trying to be clever, not your fault.

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  79. Wow, that's Roger Ebert clever right there.

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  80. FUCK! I should have picked Joe Montana first!

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  81. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    Don't forget about Wayne Gretzky!

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  82. Meekin, don't you realise that your quest to bring attention to yourself by trolling your readers in your writing resulted in you getting fired from writing, for $0, for a blog that caters to professional wrestling?

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  83. You're crazy, man.

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  84. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    CHOCOLATE.....................................THUNDER!!!!

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  85. I enjoy Andy Samberg. He is PERFECT in that role.

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  86. Down vote.

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  87. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Have you seen any of the Lonely Island stuff? Some of that is hilarious.

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  88. I enjoy that Walking Dead killed off T Dog when they have another token black guy right there on deck... because that trope needs to be kept alive.

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  89. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:34 PM

    I thought T Dog was a throwaway character. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

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  90. Agreed... his entire purpose on the show was to be black.

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  91. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    Him lasting as long as he did was the best swerve possible, because everyone was expecting him to kick it ASAP.

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  92. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Yeah, I was sure that he was going to be gone by episode four of season one.

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  93. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    About to hit the block, make some moves. Talk to you later.

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  94. Lonely Island is basically the only stuff from Samburg I enjoy aside from Nine Nine.

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  95. Shane is my least favorite main character death so far... since he was usually right and had way more chemistry with Laurie than Rick.

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  96. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    "YOU'RE RACIST!" Yadda yadda yadda...

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  97. Kingdom Hearts II is really frustrating me.

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  98. Did you just yadda yadda over racism?

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  99. I always think of "Shut up, Beavis!" every time.

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  100. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    Nope, I yadda yadda'ed over your accusations of racism.


    Try and set me up, will you? I'm the KING OF ALL NYC MEDIA!

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  101. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    I thought his character was just getting interesting with the possibility of going insane. You know, he could have been a guy who got cut from the group and returned periodically to fuck shit up.

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  102. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    I thought that was purposeful...

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  103. Don't get cocky on me, I taught you everything you know, not everything I know!

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  104. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    Meekin isn't a bad guy. A lot of the ridicule he gets is justified, but he's alright.

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  105. If that's the case, then *Self-Whoosh*

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  106. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    Sorry, sir!

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  107. George Mikan is free

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  108. Yup but Rick... who I really don't care for... always has to be the hero. This show reminds me a lot of Lost... especially in the way Jack and Rick are similar.

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  109. Does WWE should unedited PPVs on the network of are they the chopped up coliseum versions?

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  110. Turrible Ballers winning this whole thing.

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  111. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    It depends on the show. For the most part, they are unedited PPVs, but in a couple of instances, they use home video copies. A lot of those instances are with WCW.

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  112. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    Clipped versions where original footage might be unavailable or poor quality. The UK PPV One Night Only is a clipped version, for example.

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  113. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    I watched the first season of TWD, does Rick is gonna grow some fucking balls on the later seasons?

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  114. Paul George in the 1st round plz.

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  115. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    Not really...

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  116. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    We have a HUGE league.

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  117. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    It's the best. Havoc.

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  118. It takes 4 seasons.

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  119. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    And this Daryl Dixon, everyone love to kiss his ass on TWD.

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  120. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    What? Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal has something to...


    No, I couldn't even finish that. 89 probably is the best...

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  121. Damn they made Carl kill his mom... this show is brutal.

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  122. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    Every chick I know that watches TWD wants to fuck the shit out of that dude.

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  123. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    I'm not really sure why I'm proceeding with a 100 degree fever like its a normal day. If I have this tomorrow I may call off work.

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  124. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    That kid is going to eventually be the best leader the group ever had or a psychopath. It really could go either way.

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  125. Bad cold? Ebola? Hope you feel better man. Take some Tylenol.

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  126. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    So far he acts like a loud redneck, my buddy he has the best character progression on the show.

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  127. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    Call out. Fuck it.

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  128. Watched night 1 of BOLA from this year. Very fun show. The Styles/Hawkins match had a really weird ending though.

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  129. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    Not sure. Probably just the flu.

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  130. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    Bird flu? Swine flu?

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  131. No shit. He totally no sold it (well so far from what I have seen).


    This episode was like cast house cleaning. Laurie, T Dog, Carol...

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  132. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    Whatever flu that I get when I feel bad for a few days lol.

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  133. There's some head cold thing going around around here. My whole family had it and people at the gym have it as well. It's like it starts as a headache and you feel all rundown, warm, and tired then it turns into a non-stop runny nose.

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  134. I hate that little fucker.

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  135. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    I'm still need to check it out, I'm sad Candace did not won.

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  136. Spoiler alert bro! I haven't seen or read any results except for night 1.

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  137. Bro those are 2003 and 2009 respectively, try to keep up with the fake plague of the moment.

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  138. Whatever you do, don't defend the intercontinental title. That's how Bret lost it to the Mountie.

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  139. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    I'm at the headache to rundown part.

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  140. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    He does, he breaks out into the best heroic character on the show in my book. Character development, baby!

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  141. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    Yeah, but there's no such thing as Ebola flu, so I had to dig a bit deeper.


    Maybe I should have gone even MORE retro and suggested "plague"?

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  142. Haha character progression.

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  143. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    Sometimes, but Carl is the dark horse in terms of growing balls.

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  144. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Which is where all the love from the ladies comes from.

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  145. Well the good news is that if you have the same thing that you'll feel fine by tomorrow or the next day. Are you able to function normally? I just kind of went with the flow and ignored it and was fine in a couple days.

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  146. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Have you tried getting up on the Hydra's back?

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  147. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    I'm not refreshing! I STILL SEE IT!


    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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  148. Better call it the "Black" plague if you want the democrats to care.

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  149. I enjoy the logic "Bust my ass on the day I already have off and call off work so I can take it easy and get better". That isn't sarcasm, I totally support this thinking.

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  150. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    That looks to be a nice plot, a racist redneck learing how to deal with people and slowly becoming a true hero, hell, Kirkman says he regrets never thinking about a character like Darryl.

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  151. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    I was trying to leave it open-ended.

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  152. I'm only at the Aladdin level. The game has been so easy so far and way too linear with too many cutscenes.

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  153. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Darryl's not really racist. His brother is, but I don't think Darryl is.

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  154. I resisted it for years but I have been marathoning it this weekend. It has been worth it... but rick is basically Jack Shepard levels of annoying.

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  155. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    If I remember correctly, KHII was nowhere near as expansive as the first game was, making it wildly disappointing.

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  156. Exactly. I can't walk or explore for 2 minutes without being hit with a cutscene.

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  157. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    Who is Jack Shepard?

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  158. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    He doesn't get any better, but I still think the show is fantastic. I may have to rewatch it again.

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  159. Putting down his own mother moments after she gives birth is some cold shit.

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  160. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    The lead character on Lost.

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  161. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    T-minus 70 minutes till draft time. 2x BoD Fantasy Football league champ (and sitting in first place at 5-2 this year), won the BoD basketball league last year, off to a 2-0 start in my first-ever fantasy hockey outing in the BoD League, and my 24/7 duties as commissioner for the BoD fantasy baseball league is the only reason I've finished 5th last two years, so it doesn't count.


    I am the Matthew Berry of the BoD. DEAL WITH IT!

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  162. Are the Lego console games any good or are they too kiddie? The Marvel one is $8.

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  163. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    The Lego games are AWESOME!

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  164. You can probably get $8 of enjoyment out of it.

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  165. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    I'm totally looking forward to Lego Batman 3 next month. Looks like so much fun.

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  166. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    The Marvel one is one of the best ones. They're generally really fun stuff in terms of mind-off smash-the-shit-out-of-everything, they're very lengthy in terms of getting all the unlockable characters and goodies, and usually the quality comes down to the stronger use of the license.

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  167. Concur. He does evolve from a dumb hick into one of the best, if not the best character on the show... and the most sane in a lot of ways.

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  168. I'm going to pick up the Batman 2 one then for Wii U. It's about $9 shipped.

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  169. Good to hear. I'll get the Marvel one next week maybe if I like the Batman one.

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  170. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Batman 2 was a lot of fun, too. Lots of characters, lots of fun missions.

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  171. There are rumors that the character is gay

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  172. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 19, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    I'm planning to grab that if not at launch, then soon after. Esp. the Arrow DLC.

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  173. Fully Loaded '98 and SummerSlam '98 are both the vhs versions.

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  174. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    The rumor makes sense, and if they reveal that on the show, that sound you hear is a few hundred thousand women crying in frustration.

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  175. Extant1979 Most Must-See BoDerOctober 19, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    The Arrow DLC is one of the main reasons I'm picking the game up!

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  176. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 19, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    Movie night with Mrs Stranger. Now this is a rare occurrence, as I'm usually watching them by myself late at night. She has pared it down to four.


    1. X-Men: Days of Future Past
    2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    3. Godzilla
    4. Noah


    Make your choice, BoD Univers.

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  177. ThebrazilianpsychoOctober 19, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Captain America or X-Men.

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  178. The UK ppvs are chopped to fuck. The 97 one with the Shawn vs Bulldog match had half the card cut including a 4.5 star Bret vs Taker main event.

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