Thursday, October 9, 2014

WWE's insistence on using celebrities

Howdy Scott,

On the Daily thread we were talking about how WWE keeps trotting out celebrities to try to get some mainstream press.

However, there's really been only a handful of celebrities who have made a difference in ratings or buys in the history of wrestling: Mr. T, Cyndi Lauper, Donald Trump, Mike Tyson, and Floyd Mayweather. Maria Menonous, Dennis Rodman and Lawrence Taylor are debatable, but probably didn't do anything to move the needle much. (If there are others we're missing, let us know). Most are abject failures that produce embarrassing segments.

The ENTIRE guest host era didn't increase ratings as far as I know. Honestly, celebrity involvement has something like a 5% success right at best. So what's the point in keeping doing it, or is Vince (and Stephanie) SO desperate for mainstream attention they'll pretty much try to use anyone? Because it isn't working any better than Billy Gunn's singles push.

MichaelXavier

​The guest host stuff did to a certain degree help the ratings, but eventually it wasn't enough to justify the paydays they were getting.  

Rodman ABSOLUTELY moved the needle for WCW in that stupid basketball player tag match he was in.  That show did a giant buyrate, something like the second or third highest in their history I believe.  

But as far as celebrities now, it's just their desperate cries for mainstream attention.  Nothing is really moving the needle for them because the product is ice cold and has been since Wrestlemania.  ​

193 comments:

  1. Intergender tag team seeking CHF (Cretinous Humanoid Female) for three way dance. No hardway, must be able to sell a Hot Shot.

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  2. Biff Kensington IIIOctober 9, 2014 at 8:27 AM

    Remember when they weren't ashamed to call themselves wrestling? If they're going to insist on being shitty entertainment then I guess they should invite shitty entertainers.

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  3. That pic of Cena awkwardly kissing AJ in the article was worth the click.

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  4. I just hope we never get another segment as pointedly embarrassing as the Michael Strahan bit.


    "Let's act out a routine in which we pretend to be mad at each other, and then get up and then dance together at the end, in celebration of getting through our acting routine without any screw-ups! WE'RE HAVING A GOOD-ASS TIME, MAGGLE!"

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  5. Speaking of Rodman .. anyone want to see Scott Sez for I Generation PPV that was in Australia? Rodman vs. Henning main event? I'm only half kidding about that.


    That first tag match he did; Bash at the Beach 1997 Luger/Giant vs. Rodman/Hogan was pretty solid.

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  6. Wrestling night used to be date night for me but the girlfriend, now wife, got sick of watching years ago. She'll still watch WM.

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  7. Rodman was mainstream news when he showed up on Nitro during the NBA Finals he was playing in.

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  8. Ok, that and the album will occupy my nightmares for awhile. Fuck you very much, Scott.

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  9. Yeah, he was a huge deal in 1998. I think the only two guys who could move the needle like that now are Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice. They would both give WWE attention for all the wrong reasons.

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  10. Rodman and Malone were a huge deal back at the time, despite the hate Scott gives them. Other than Rodman working matches in an altered state, I think that was the gold standard of handling celebrities in wrestling.

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  11. Over on his Facebook page, Stephen Amell (Arrow) is asking what it takes to get invited to RAW. At least he seems like a fan.

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  12. The ratio of men to women on that website has got to be 80/20 at least.


    I don't even want to speculate on the average weight. Scott Steiner can do that.

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  13. For social media, inviting celebrities must work because if you ever googled the said celebrity's name the night after RAW, you'll get articles about their appearance on RAW.

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  14. You know, this may not be a bad idea. My girlfriend actually used to date a wrestler back in the days (nope, not telling!) and one of our first dates was an indy show he promoted.

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  15. Arrow is popular now, right? Maybe Amell should ask again in 2022.

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  16. It does work for a company's social media presence, but unless you're leverage that social media into something that makes money, it's a pretty hollow victory.

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  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xorC6vCrI-s

    or

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8eorUWugqg

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  18. I'd have put Mr. T above that, but Richard Belzer made a lot of money off that whole deal.

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  19. Articles and social media coverage don't really translate to ratings. RAW typically trends higher on Twitter than Monday Night Football, but there's no doubt who is actually winning the ratings there.

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  20. Rodman and Kim Jong Un vs. Obama and the Rock vs. Rusev and Putin. TLC. Wrestlemania. License to print money.

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  21. Thanks for posting my e-mail!

    I just find it perplexing that WWE spends all this money on guest hosts and celebrity appearances and it's only made a significant impact about 5% of the time (probably less).

    What's the point?

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  22. I remember Meltzer going off on one during one of his radio
    shows about I think the Mickie “Piggy” James angle, about the weight of the
    typical female wrestling fan, and how it was wrong for them to be making fun of
    women for being fat. I think he momentarily lost his mind, he was throwing out
    percentages of overweight women in the crowd and stuff. Alvarez was just silent
    as he was talking then moved on.

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  23. Yeah, I worked for an unnamed Fortune 500 company that recently made a significant investment into a "robust" social media presence. As of 2013, they were not making any significant improvement against competitors. The social media stuff is great, but retweets aren't worth money.

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  24. My wife will watch UFC and Ultimate Fighter with me. WWE is
    far too embarrassing to watch with people who don’t already love it and
    understand it’s rules and quirks.

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  25. This idea is gonna lose so much money I'm surprised Panda Energy isn't already a significant shareholder.

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  26. I created a profile as "dougie" who loves the Miz, with password @Fuckyou123 for the whole blog to enjoy the site but I guess it won't be active until 10-14 :(

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  27. He wasn't wrong though. Mickie James (or Molly Holly, when they did the "she's fat" angle) weren't fat. A female wrestling fan who is not in as good shape as Mickie or Molly could easily be turned off by the insinuation that this gorgeous, clearly in-shape woman is being labeled "fat" and stop watching.

    It's similar to when WWE kept pushing Beth Phoenix as being beastly despite being just slightly bigger than the average Diva. She's only 5'7" and 150 lbs, hardly a female bodybuilder.

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  28. MikeyMike, WitnessOctober 9, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    I have to check this out. Are any of the females under 2 bills?

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  29. It won't be up and running until the 14th apparently so we'll have to wait and see

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  30. No, he was spot on. But he just went into this
    ramble about how many fat women there were and it was pretty funny. A good
    tangent, it was.

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  31. In weekly pay, maybe.


    (har har har)

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  32. Yes, but they are 4'7

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  33. Dude I immediately went to make a profile and all the questions are about who your favorite wrestler is and how much wrestling do you like to watch.

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  34. Multiple choice, or just put whatever you want?

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  35. Yeah, it's not that it CAN'T work, it's whether the efforts and cost justify the results.

    Is WWE spend X dollars on booking a guest host on RAW worth the meager amount of publicity they get online?

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  36. Bob Barker was sheer brilliance, and it was fun seeing Mark Cuban go through a table. The rest of the guest host stuff was really forgettable outside of Ben Roethlisberger proving he could cut a little bit of a promo.

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  37. The how much wrestling so you watch a week was multiple choice but everytime else was just typing what you wanted

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  38. The possibility for abuse is STRONG on this one.

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  39. They'd get the same ratings if they replaced the guest host with a weekly segment where wrestlers danced to the Tito Santana theme.

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  40. I am now tempted to make a profile just to see what questions they ask. It would be a gag profile.


    I just need to find a neckbeard to put in as my profile pic

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  41. They didn't even let me put in a pic yet but I've got one ready!

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  42. Ratio will be worse than that, POF is roughly 8 men:1 woman.

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  43. LOL at the first question "Create your wrestling name"

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  44. I love how they trot these guys out there and then have them casually punk out their highly trained athletes in like one or two moves because nothing sells toughness like getting knocked on your ass by a 150 pound non athlete.

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  45. If you could be any wrestler who would you be? Deep stuff man

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  46. Meltzer: Several minute long tangent about obesity

    Scott Steiner: HE's FAT!

    Accomplishes the same goal.

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  47. Imagine finding the love of your life due to sharing the same favorite finishing move.

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  48. No, that's just the married men trolling for strange to women ratio, or so I'm told you know

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  49. No pictures......No buys!

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  50. My fiance hates wrestling. Hates it with a passion

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  51. Well, I'll be back on October 14th ready to have some good laughs.

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  52. http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n191/Angry_Lizard/Uglies/neckbeard.jpg





    Use this one

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  53. It seems like it's not even ready though. I just made a silly profile and when it was done they just said to come back on the 14th. Maybe then you can slap in a picture?

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  54. What is POF?

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  55. Where is Freddie Blassie to give hs lovw tips when we need him.

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  56. You'll have to find Kim Jong Un first...

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  57. I'm still waiting for that Big Show vs Shaq WM match...

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  58. Pof.com or plenty of fish. Free dating site. Pretty crappy in my experiences

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  59. Oh that is a good one. I'm gonna go with the dougie head shot from npp. Gotta stay in gimmick!

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  60. AverageJoeEverymanOctober 9, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    I would have named it KayfabeCuddles.com

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  61. Never used a dating site.


    Have been in a relationship for 6.5 years and before that didnt care to get into a relationship.


    Did a lot of partying in my teens and early 20's

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  62. Sounds like plenty of GAY FISH, right? Right?

    I better stop before I piss of Kanye West.

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  63. Yeah my gf has no idea how big of a fan I am. I keep it totally closeted.

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  64. At least that would draw mainstream interest since Shaq is a well-known athlete.

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  65. I was hoping it was another wrestling dating site :(

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  66. The ratio of troll accounts/men/men-pretending-to-be-women/women I would put at 80/10/10/1 with a 1 percent margin of error.

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  67. haha. I imagine the net is positively HEAVING with them.

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  68. You haven't lives until your force to block a transvestite

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  69. I watch it in a separate room. If I watch it, she just goes away. She just found out that I write her a few months ago too.

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  70. Now you have to share the story.

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  71. Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow still the gold standard of celebrity matches for me. Taylor took and gave some stiff shots in that one.

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  72. I eagerly await you accidentally falling in love with a fellow boarder also having a good troll session.

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  73. Scott hit the nail on the head with the ice cold product. It's just boring right now (to me anyway) and very little to get invested in. Instead of focusing on celebrities, they should be innovating and advancing their product. Yet last week somehow saw a main event that had kane and randy orton in it.

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  74. It will be a true love story!

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  75. I met my wife on Myspace back in 2006. We were trailblazers.

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  76. Did Tom hook you two up

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  77. He was indeed our one mutual friend!

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  78. True, but the whole thing was ridiculed, especially by the New York media (Taylor played for the NY Giants and the PPV took place in Connecticut).

    The PPV also tanked pretty hard considering what they probably spent to bring him in. It had less buys than any previous Mania except for 2 (and not many had access to PPV at that time)

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  79. I have a feeling many of the folks on there should list five knuckle shuffle as favorite move

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  80. Austin-Tyson-DX is the gold standard on how you use a celebrity in pro wrestling properly.

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  81. Wouldn't happen. The DPRK is already really good at printing money.

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  82. Ok, sports celebrities combined with the fact that the WWE is always two years behind, plus stupid comedy...

    The should sign Mark Sanchez to a deal where he constantly loses matches by running into his own tag partners ass. Pair him with Rikishi.

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  83. John Edwards: Junkyard Dog in the WWF. Nobody cared when he touched children.

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  84. We would also accept: A gay Jerry Lawler.

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  85. They don't use celebrities in hopes of goosing the ratings or anything. They do it because the only thing that really excites Vince anymore is acknowledgment by celebrities who exist in the mainstream. Completely different goal.

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  86. Wait, MichaelXavier wrote this and it has nothing to do with Hulk Hogan winning the WWE title again?

    Nothing makes sense anymore...

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  87. This is just one of those things embedded in the DNA of wrestling people. Some of it goes back to the old days where they would get an ex-NFL player or washed-up boxer to be the guest referee, which might get their card mentioned in the sports pages of the newspapers. When wrestling & boxing promoters ran shows in L.A. they would arrange to have gossip reporters talk about what celebrities were at ringside. When all the regional territories got on TV they always tried to get local celebs involved. Vince has always had a hard-on about getting attention in the New York media, and all the press he got with the celebs at the first WrestleMania assured they would be a regular part of the business for all eternity.

    It maybe didn't make the most money, but the most significant celebrity in wrestling had to be Andy Kaufman. Him slapping Jerry Lawler on the David Letterman show was huge, and they milked that angle for like a year down in Memphis.

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  88. I am listing the mighty abdominal stretch. I'd get every chick in New Zealand wanting me after that

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  89. For Wrestlemania, please book Justin Bieber vs New Jack in an exploding barbed wire death match. Vince that is totally worth 9.99 right there!

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  90. That guest host era was one of the worst times in wrestling I can ever remember.

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  91. Oh dear god... Why... Why am I laughing.......

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  92. Why? At least it was something different. I even enjoyed most of the bad ones.

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  93. There's a big difference between using celebrities in the 80s and 90s and using them today. We had limited access to celebrities like Mr. T and Cyndi Lauper back in the day, so it was special to see them on WWF television. Nowadays if I want to see, let's say, Hugh Jackman somewhere, I can just look him up on YouTube or Google and find all sorts of videos and articles about him. I don't have to tune into Raw.

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  94. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Do you like fish sticks?

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  95. Remember back when WWE would troll/laugh at criticism they got, the whole Right To Censor thing and everything? Nowadays they'll shit themselves and bow down and apologise and it's just the saddest thing to see the wrestling biz no longer stands up for itself

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  96. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    It'll be funny when actual rasslers are on there.

    Maybe some of your guys can meet Paige!

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  97. "Who is your favorite wrestler? -The Legendary Tony Garea"
    "What is your favorite move? -The Abdominal Stretch"
    "If you could be any wrestler, who would you be? -Champion of The Universe, The All-Powerful and All-Knowing Tony Garea"


    (days later)


    You have XXX new date requests.
    (click on "see new requests")
    Wilma Wool
    Sally Shears
    Betty Baa
    (and so on...)

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  98. It's really crazy how many bad authority angles they've had in recent years--from the celebrity guest hosts, to the anonymous GM, to the endless retread of heel bosses. But the guest host era was the worst to me.

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  99. If major companies would keep giving me tons of money in sponsorships and advertising, I would apologize too. Especially with business being lower than during the Attitude Era. They can't really afford to be rebels anymore. Gotta be smart.

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  100. That's dangerous. My girlfriend knew the first time we hung out. I'm not hiding this.

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  101. It's been that way since around the time SmackDown got on network TV and Vince really embraced the notion that sports entertainment was a variety show. That, and going public with the company... WWE pretty much killed the WWF and has been impersonating it all these years.

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  102. I post about a lot of other things besides Hulk Hogan, buddy!

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  103. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Some "About me"s:

    "FROM DAY ONE, I've been working for the boys in the back, BRO"

    "With tears in your eyes, you'll come up to me and confide that it was the best date you've ever been on, and chances are you'll be on a list of 1000 dates better than HHH"



    "Nope. BTW, your titties had a good mastering lately?"


    "I have TWO houses"

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  104. True but taken as a match itself it was two big dishing it out and considering it was Taylor's first (only) match I thought it turned out pretty good. Really the only bright spot of a very uninspired card.

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  105. There's a huge difference between an NFL player coming in to be a guest referee versus the hostesses of the Today show dancing in the ring, of course.

    But yeah, the essential problem is that Vince loves media attention even though 75% of these appearances mean jack shit to the outside media.

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  106. Jorge SteinbrennerOctober 9, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    But do the guest hosts' shows think it's worth it for them to come on Raw?

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  107. The worst part about it, even worse than the cringe-worthy "comedy" they tried to pull off, was that due to the fact that there was a different authority figure every week it was impossible to build any feuds or storylines. It was the guest host era where it feels like Vince just said to himself "building one feud is tough enough as it is, let's come up with a tangible reason to say 'y'know what? Forget about the rest of the roster.'"

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  108. Yeah I get why they do it, but from a fan perspective.... it sucks

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  109. Was it really that different? Between the bad comedy skits, the endless shilling (I don't need more commercials than I'm already seeing), and the general sense of pointlessness to the guest host segments, it doesn't feel much different than most other Raw episodes. The tolerable episodes generally involved guest hosts who weren't very self-serious and can make just about anything work, guys like Shatner and Bob Barker.
    Actually, that's a really good guideline to who should be a guest host, now that I think about it: people who have inflated public personas like Shatner fit really well into pro wrestling. Look at the best examples of celebrity involvement: larger-than-life athletes like Tyson or Mayweather, or really unique public figures like Mr. T and Cyndi Lauper.

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  110. The Muppets were memorable, but then again I choose to call myself "Elmo" so maybe that's just me. I'd say Jeremy Piven was memorable too, because we still say "Summerfest." For me personally, the Piven episode was memorable because I finally came to terms with how badly I wish to throw Ken Jeong in front of a moving train.

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  111. I guess it gave us 15-20 minutes of something different every week, so it just didn't bother me as much as.... well, literally everyone else apparently. It's like, Raw is still 2 hours, still plenty of time for everything else.

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  112. Also Beth Phoenix is really hot. They didn't stress that nearly enough. Oh, that sweet sweet cukierki.

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  113. I really liked Freddy Prinze Jr, as you could tell he was thrilled to be there, and even took a bump from Orton.

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  114. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Read that Kathy Lee was against appearing on Raw but eventually was talked into it.

    Lucky us.

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  115. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    "TagMeADate CEO and founder (and, I’m assuming, executive vice president of talent relations)"

    LOL

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  116. Oh, it definitely one of the best celebrity matches of all time without question. But it really didn't do anything in terms of publicity.

    In fact, considering that Taylor was later arrested for having sex with a 16 year-old prostitute, WWE probably can't even exploit him further with a Hall of Fame induction.

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  117. I guess when they told her "Don't worry, Rude's dead", she changed her mind.

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  118. Oh god, I forgot about Shatner. Worth it for that pre-taped entrance music bit alone.

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  119. Yeah, some poster a few weeks back was wondering how Edge can go from a chick like Lita to a "beast" like Beth Phoenix.

    Beth is something like 1 inch taller and 10 pounds heavier in muscle. It's not like he went from Lita to Bertha Faye.

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  120. Why not? Jerry Lawler could induct him. *rimshot*

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  121. The bad news is, she's fat!

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  122. Trailer park OKCupid.

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  123. He used to write for them, so Orton had probably already long since shit in his bag. They're like old buddies that way.

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  124. These are the guys who sit in the corner and make fun of 'uggos' while not even being able to look a woman in the eyes.

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  125. This is funny and all, but I'm pretty sure Brandon Stroud (guy who wrote the article) is the last guy who should be laughing at a wrestling dating site.

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  126. Beth is also not a breeding ground for exotic and dangerous VDs.

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  127. The Barack and Rock Connection?


    Count me in.

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  128. How about the disaster where they invited Michael Sam to Raw, Sam completely ignored it and the WWE had to pretend the whole thing never happened? How do you set yourself up to fail like that?


    I have no problem with use of celebrities who actually fit their target audience and seem like they want to be there. Who was Kathie Lee supposed to appeal to? If anything they need more guys like Tyson who was more than willing to get involved in storylines, or hell, even Kevin Federline who actually seemed to enjoy playing a shitbag heel manager.

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  129. I liked how the old WrestleManias brought in people like Regis, Eucker and Mary Hart. It made it seem like a pop culture event and unlike any other night. That Kathie Lee and Hoda thing... didn't see it, but reading it... wow.

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  130. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    My issue with the use of celebrities is the announce team proclaiming their appearance to be the greatest thing in the history of RAW. I, for one, do not watch TMZ or ET or the E Channel and basically despise celebrity news on principal alone. From a fan perspective, I have no interest in seeing some C or D lister make an appearance on the show. I don't care what they are crosspromoting, and any wrestler involvement with the celebrity in question always comes off as unnecessary and awkward. I remember the days when WWE made mainstream publicity by actually being cutting edge and cool with their own product.

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  131. I really thought that was gonna be it for Raw. That serious wrestling matches and stories would be replaced by whatever cross-eyed version of SNL they were going for. As angry as I get with today's product, I have to keep reminding myself that at least Hornswoggle and Chavo Guerrero aren't getting 2 segments a week setting up their WrestleCrap match of the week while Chris Masters makes his pecs dance

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  132. My gf know I go to summerslam and DVR raw if nothing else is going on. She hates all that. But she has no idea that its easily one of my top 5 favorite forms of entertainment.

    She wouldn't bat an eye to see my history on a computer full of porn but if I even mention wrestling its "That's so embarrassing, change the subject."

    People hate wrestling. I love it. We all gotta have some secrets. Mine just involve buff dudes in baby oil and tights!

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  133. It wasn't "something different" every week though. They blatantly re-did the same show every week shoe-horning whatever that weeks' guest's schtick in.

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  134. As I walked home from work, everyone has given the answers I was gonna give. So I'll defer to them.

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  135. KFED is easily the best celebrity appearance ever, talk about a guy that totally got what he was supposed to be trying to accomplish.

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  136. It must be baffling watching these D-listers on WWE if you live in another country.

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  137. Well that's the one good thing I'll say about that era. Raw was still 2 hours.

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  138. Surprisingly Shaq knocking Show on his ass was a great moment that made me pop

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  139. Piven was a trainwreck

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  140. worth it for Obama doing The Rock's taunts. Bonus points if we get a segment in where Rocky hits on Michelle

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  141. Oh hell yeah. Didn't much care for the main event of Wrestlemania 11 either.

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  142. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Someone once brought up a good point to me: all of the feud's b/w Lawler and JR and Cole must have made no sense to anyone who didn't have an English feed since they never heard the English commentary that laid the groundwork for the feuds. The WM match b/w Lawler and Cole must have been like "zuh?"

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  143. Didn't they make the main event of the first Raw in Mexico a tag match with JR and Michael Cole as well?

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  144. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    No sé

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  145. Celebrities translate into buzz, social media mentions, and TV clips onto other shows. It's exposure that they normally wouldn't get, if they didn't have them on the air. The only 2 negatives to this are:


    1) It ruins the show, and drives viewers to tears and channel changing
    2) They cant make a fucking penny off this exposure.


    Outside of those 2 small details, its nothing but great for WWE.

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  146. I'm a member of PlentyOfRingrats.com

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  147. But he turned heel, and sided with Orton!

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  148. Honestly the only reason I haven't got the Network yet is while 9.99 isn't that much, it's too much for something my girlfriend will never let me watch. The idea of somebody who will watch Spring Stampede 94 with me, and maybe even have a quickie during the Johnny B Badd match, is very intriguing. I need to look at the pics of these girls to cure me of that idea.

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  149. You sir, have written a damn fine comment.

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  150. Authority figures have to go. It's tired and completely run its course. It was fun during Austin, now it's just dull. It's established that these guys are all wrestlers fighting for presumably championships (which leads to more money). Sell it like that and it's easy to book just about anything. We don't need some evil douchbag starting off the show making matches any longer. It really makes no sense

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  151. Aaron Paul was a good one, actually. He's kind of an anomaly though because...


    1) He was isolated to 1 segment, which was a wrestling match, and didn't detract or distract from it
    2) He's actually current
    3) Wrestling fans like Breaking Bad

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  152. Is anyone really wanting to see Big Show and Shaq in an angle? Did I wake up in 2001 or something

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  153. not really. when they faced off in 09 it was surprisingly entertaining. now Big Show is ice cold--no one would give a fuck

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  154. I wish on the of the Raws from London they'd get David Mitchell or something just to baffle the shit out of the rest of the world.

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  155. Favorite wrestler: the Blue Meanie.
    Favorite finishing move: the Meaniesault.
    Favorite catch phrase: the sound of the Blue Meanie jiggling.
    Favorite entrance: the Blue Meanie jiggling.
    If you could be any wrestler, who would you be?: Shawn Stasiak.
    Ever been to a live PPV?: I went to some RoH tapings. The Meanie wasn't there, so they sucked.
    First wrestling memory?: he Blue Meanie ran over my dog.

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  156. That was my first instinct, but then I said screw it. I hate keeping guilty pleasure kinds of secrets. In addition to wrestling, I am also openly a fan of Hanson and comic books. Wife knows, thinks it's (quote) "silly and cute, kinda like still watching cartoons". Girlfriend's husband is a casual wrestling fan but she doesn't quite know how much more of a fan I am. Then again, I just watch Raw each week via a handful of Youtube clips and come here and reddit every so often, so it's not like it's taking up too much of my time anyway.

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  157. I decided at some point when I came back to wrestling fandom 9 or so years ago that I wasn't going to be secretive about it. I guess I never really was before, either, because I was a teenager and it was the Attitude Era and it was "cool" enough to not have to be hidden.
    So what I'm trying to say is fuck yes, I wear my "Best in the World" and "Respect the Beard" shirts out in public. I guess not having to worry about getting laid helps, but I wasn't really any different about it before I got into a long-term relationship. Don't give it any more thought than wearing my Lil' Sebastian or Flipadelphia shirts.

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  158. Or the Final Boss of the Internet.

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  159. My girlfriend just makes a point to not be home on Mondays (she often wouldn't be anyway, we have very different schedules) when my friends come over for Raw, and I'm obviously not gonna watch the Network if she's in the room wanting to watch TV with me. Works out fine.

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  160. Scott, ever thought about turning the blog into a dating site for wrestling fans?

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  161. Fucking Disqus deleted my comment or something when I tried to edit it.


    Anyway, come out of the closet, at least a little bit. It'll be good for you. Keeping it hidden was my first instinct back in my late teens, but then I said screw it and have been 'that guy who happens to like pro-wrestling' for the past decade+. I hate keeping guilty pleasures secret. In addition to wrestling, I am also openly a fan of Hanson and comic books. Wife knows, thinks it's (quote) "silly and cute, kinda like still watching cartoons".


    It's not like I bring it up right away with other people, but if someone asks what I did last night and I was watching wrestling, then I tell them straight up. Being closeted about it makes it even weirder when people do find out.

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  162. Fuck no. And I won't even make the easy jokes here.

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  163. The link doesn't work!

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  164. I really don't want to be that guy, because I totally get it, I'm probably getting married in the next year or so....but "will never let (you) watch"?
    Bruh.
    C'mon now.
    Watch what you want to watch. She ain't home 24/7, is she? Because if so, the Network is the least of your problems.

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  165. if there any actual females who make a profile on the site, they will mostly likely be escorts trying to fish in a guy who will pay cash for the girlfriend experience.

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  166. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but I don't think Beth's body was ever portrayed in a negative light by them anywhere near the same way the repugnant Mickie/Molly angles were. Beth was (is, I assume) smokin' hot, but while she might not have been Chyna...yeah, she was kinda pumped up and looked like a real athlete, especially compared to the waifs who otherwise populate that division.

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  167. Well, no, but there's only so many hours in a day. I could devote all my me time to watching old wcw, but then porn and playstation go by the wayside.

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  168. Fair enough. I'm just not that much of a gamer anymore aside from random runs I'll go on when I play two or three seasons of NCAA Football in a week, so the Network has full free-time attention from me.

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  169. "Yep Mode" ABeyAnce1©October 9, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Does he like them.......in his mouth?

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  170. I like the way this guy rolls!

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  171. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    1 LeeLee, all of the single guys here

    Those aren't good odds

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  172. (Psst. 50/50 LeeLee is a guy. If not, then darn.)

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  173. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    Pretty sure she's legit

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  174. No, Beth was only maligned by the mouthbreathers in the audience. Fuck them, and their preference for untalented cum receptacles.

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  175. (Untalented in "wrestling", that is. Whatever talent they might have had, it didn't seem to be athletic.)

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  176. Eh, she's not an obvious fake like the "girl" that used to show up on QotD. I vote legit.

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  177. So they're perfect for the Dougies and VJs.

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  178. Gunther the Nasty LoserOctober 9, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    VJ's?

    Leave the original MTV 5 out of this!

    RIP JJ Jackson

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  179. "I wanted a woman! I couldn't find no woman!" Dave Schultz, possible tag line for this site.

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  180. As a married dude, I watch wrestling on Monday nights usually and my wife is cool with it because I shit through say yes to the dress and other shit. It's a give and take.

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  181. "I FOUND A LOT OF MEN THAT LOOK LIKE WOMEN!"

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