Wednesday, November 19, 2014

Cena = worst partner ever?

I read the Cageside review and I'm glad I wasn't alone wondering where the heck Super-Cena: defender of all that is true and good was while Dolph got beaten up by 4 guys and screwed out of his title, or when Sheamus was put through a table, or Show choked out.  Does Vince realize how unlikable their child friendly star appears to be to anyone over 12?   Is there a worse message to send the so called PG fan base than "sit around and watch your friends get beat up, don't worry they'll still defend your honor".  Not too mention, Cena is likely going over strong for the Brock-push, so literally the ENTIRE roster, face and heel will be buried by Cena's booking.  His team looks stupid and clueless for risking their jobs for a selfish jerkwad, and the authority will be jobbers for him.  He is the real life equivalent of the high school jock and NO ONE likes the high school jock!   They should just pair Nikki with him already

​Not to mention that now everyone who did stand up with him is risking their job (in storyline) if they lose.  And while we know Cena would get hired back somehow the night after, do you really think anyone is going to stick their neck out to get Erick Rowan his job back?  

This is what happens when they lose all their top stars and have never bothered to make new ones.  All Cena, All The Time! ​

204 comments:

  1. Would another decade and a half of late era WCW have been any better? What iteration of the NWO would we be on now?


    WWE has had some relatively good runs in the interim, even if we are not in the midst of one now.

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  2. Scott, you really should stop responding to the mentally retarded.


    Yes, they're people too, but they don't know any better.


    It's not right.

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  3. We're still on an iteration on Austin vs McMahon though - is this really any better?

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  4. The bottom line is this: Nothing changes until the stock sinks, merch sales die, and attendance is nothing.


    We're getting there, but probably still a way's away.

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  5. Has anyone actually put forth the theory before that maybe John Cena does so many Make-A-Wish visits because he's secretly stealing the souls from these kids before they die?


    He seems kind of evil. Like, Cruella DeVille evil.

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  6. They've made new stars. They're all hurt or left the company. You don't lose the two true megastars you've created in a span of weeks, and then lose the guy you've had earmarked to be that next guy to injury for several months, without feeling it. That's true if you're a wrestling company, a pro basketball team, a TV show or anything else.

    Beyond those guys, just think about how much worse of shape they'd be in- from the unquestionably bad shape they're already in- if it wasn't for acts created in the last two years such as Ambrose, Wyatt and Harper.

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  7. Worst partner ever? He's taken more guys to tag titles than Lou Albano!

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  8. THEEEEEEE UNNNDERCEEEEEEENA!

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  9. We'd be on the nWo Black and Yellow led by Sting and his bees.

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  10. Even if they rescued this whole angle by having the face team turn on Cena on Sunday, it still doesn't explain why Cena isn't out there helping his teammates.


    The only way THAT would make sense is if Cena turns out to be the bad guy in the long run, working with Vince or whoever. I'm still clinging on to the hope that this company has some kind of genius long-term plan that will justify how non-sensical everything has been recently

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  11. Yeah "top superstar vs. authority figure" has been going on for, what, 17 years now?


    The freshest thing they could do with the product is also the easiest --- stop with the GM/Authority/CEO/President/COO storylines. It would make the show feel completely different.

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  12. Every time WWE makes a new star, Kane destroys him and puts him out of wrestling. He's done it twice this year alone!

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  13. The answer to every problem is always Kane.

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  14. Cole: IT'S THE PUSHRUINERKANE!!!!!!!!!!

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  15. The problem to every answer is Kane.

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  16. Trust Me, Translate This Italian Post On Nba and NFL


    Perché Nba e Nfl sono avanti (anni luce) alla Lega Calcio

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  17. The Kane to every problem is answer.

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  18. Time to push The Miz again. Really.

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  19. Every akane is to the answer.

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  20. Ugh, does it say something that as a non-Network subscriber, I still have no interest in going through the work to get the free month of the Network? I don't even know what the effort includes (I assume providing a name/address/card) ... but frankly, I don't care enough about the current product to try.

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  21. Notice how John Cena's run on top coincides neatly with all the "Will Undertaker retire this year?" rumours every year. The extra competition for pre-teen souls is killing him :(

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  22. Do you care about the old product enough to try?

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  23. I agree! Instead they should focus more on things like wins/losses. Why, even bring back the weekly rankings!


    It'd be like the... WCW TOP TEN.

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  24. You could watch some Klassic Kane!

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  25. Problem the answer to every Kane is.

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  26. DANIEL BRYAN...YOU WILL REST...IN...BRIE!

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  27. "WILL YOU STOP??"

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  28. No. Not that I don't love nostalgia as much as the next guy, but there isn't anything I can think that I need to see on the Network that I haven't seen before, or have accumulated over the years of being a fan.

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  29. Yes, it says that you have no interest in going through the work to get the free month of the Network. There's nothing further to extrapolate from your personal interest level.

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  30. You WILL STOP?

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  31. By that he means Isaac Yankem!

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  32. The answer is Kane.

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  33. Feuding with the Iron Sheik who is obsessed with ass-fucking and back-breaking one of the bees, I assume.

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  34. Is that RAW after KotR when Kane won the title and had the rematch with Austin up there?

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  35. You look like you've seen better days.

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  36. You're right and a dick at the same time.


    It's a two'fer!

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  37. I am getting the crazy feeling that Scott Keith is NOT a loyal and proud member of the CENATION. Just a hunch.

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  38. Uh...no. But the RAW where he gets the hallitosis out of Jerry Lawler's mouth is!

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  39. I'd rather rest in Nikki. Boobs for a pillow all the way.

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  40. I expect nothing less from this board...

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  41. Misread your comment as "Nothing changes until the sock stinks", got excited for a Foley comeback.

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  42. That's funny how it turned out, as Kane did get the upper hand on both, and he was surely booked to lose clean on the following show... But one quit, and the other got injured. OOPS! Go Kane!

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  43. I feel like I've spent 50 minutes in a battle royal only to have Kane shit on everything I ever stood for.

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  44. Jesus Vince, there you go attacking a member of the BOD again. WHEN WILL THE HATE STOP.

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  45. No prob. Found it on dailymotion. My momentary interest in Network trial adverted.

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  46. I respect those that are right in a dickish manner.

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  47. Yeah, I laugh of the "they never make stars" thing, but when they clearly do make them, it's totally ignored, and it's still "they never make stars!" They got a run of bad luck with injuries right now, plus had to deal with a petulant child #NeverForgetFarva.



    It reminds me of that South Park with the bums asking for spare change, then when one received a $20 bill, he just no sold it and asked for spare change 3 seconds later.

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  48. That's the best kind of right!

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  49. Them rock hard things? No thanks.

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  50. My anger is just out of control!! I'M GONNA BLOW!!! *cue millhouse standing still and shaking*

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  51. Yeah, it says that rather than ignore the optional free product you chose to whine to us about how because you don't like Raw now, the archived stuff is dead to you.

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  52. Long as you don't blow me, we'll be fine.

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  53. Yeah, there's enough legitimate arguments about the mediocre-at-best product we've gotten since WM30; why do we need to fall back on tired, objectively untrue tropes?

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  54. Better than Brie's barren wasteland of boobs.

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  55. Misread your comment as "I'm buying donuts for everyone", got excited cuz I'm hungry.

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  56. Curiously, what is in the archive that is a must see? I mean, beyond what a wrestling fan posting here has not seen before, Have they dug up that Flair/Steamboat houseshow match?

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  57. Sole survivors: Cena and Dolph ... they are celebrating and then BAM ... superkick. Just like Hogan/Shawn. Why? Why would Dolph stick wtih Cena when he did nothing as four guys beat his ass?


    There is your Wrestlemania match for Cena.

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  58. Misread your comment as "I'm buying Southern States Wrestling", got excited cos I'm a sadist.

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  59. I will just use her ass.

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  60. I see the logic in it, the only problem is, Ziggler is doing well as a plucky underdog babyface right now. I think they should keep going with that.

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  61. I'm personally enjoying marathoning 1995 ECW. The Video Vault is a pleasant reminder of forgotten awesome matches and caused a collective Taker-Angle orgasm here.

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  62. Cena/Miz is fresher than Cena/Ziggler

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  63. By WWE logic that means he's ripe for a heel turn! See also: Cesaro


    I could see Ziggler feuding with Cena in a "Who is the king of the douchey jocks" high school style feud, but if so, they should have done that when Ziggler had AJ and Big E hangin' 'round.

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  64. Here's a question: who's the biggest douchebag baby face, Hogan or Cena?

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  65. Rock. He treated everyone like garbage.

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  66. Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail

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  67. douchey jocks? BRING BACK OLD SCHOOL ALEX RILEY PLZ

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  68. I'm gonna go with "all of them." Pretty much all wrestling characters would be awful real people. Even Daniel Bryan would be annoying as fuck.

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  69. Hogan would at least help Savage. I mean, once Liz ran to the back to find him.

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  70. Maybe Scott can't see him?


    I'm so bored.

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  71. Gunther the Nasty LoserNovember 19, 2014 at 6:58 AM

    But you see, the only people WWE is interested in pleasing are the children, who don't think at this (semi-) abstract level. It doesn't matter whether their parents, aunts/uncles, parents of their friends, etc. see all these good points, b/c their only concern - if they're "good parents" - is to ensure the children's happiness.

    WWE is abusing the idea that once you have children, it's no longer about you, and all about the chidren (won't someone think of them?!). Since the parents ostensibly are in a position to provide financial support, WWE brilliantly targets the parents through the children, knowing that no parent is going to say to a child, "I don't think we should watch John Cena this evening, kiddo. This whole storyline is filled with fallacies, non-truths, and distorted thinking" without the child countering with a blank stare, then saying, "I like turtles John Cena."

    We know you do, Jimmy. We know you do.

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  72. Going with VJ on this one. Rock even treated his friends like they were beneath him, and smelled like poo.

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  73. Cannot disagree with this one. Although I will give him props for the "It's not 5 on 1, it's 5 on TWO" promo he gave before the Radicals 10-man tag.

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  74. Well, technically, if that were the case, you could say Austin as well. Delivered stunners to everyone, regardless of faction.

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  75. At least he doesn't cuddle their cocks.

    With his mouth.

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  76. I would add Stone Cold in there. Didn't he pretty much single handedly bury the Allience?

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  77. Misread your comment as "' I'm buying Southern States Wrestling,' got excited cos I'm a racist," and without knowing anything about Southern States Wrestling, I'd still wager that one would make more sense.

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  78. He's #2 yes. (the ONE thing I will give them credit for, at least they were never hypocrites about being douches. )

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  79. Not just the Alliance, but I'm having a hard time thinking of someone he was in the ring with that he didn't eventually give a Stunner to.

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  80. The Rock never had people risk themselves for him except for Foley so The Rock helped Foley. Cena has people back him up all the time and helps no one.

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  81. If John Cena is fired, does he still get the next title shot against Brock Lesnar?

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  82. DAYUM... LIKE A PARADOX *mind blown*

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  83. Does it then become an unsanctioned match? Does it become......UNCENSORED?

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  84. Funniest response I have seen in ages.

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  85. HIS LAST CHANCE TO STAY WITH THE COMPANY!

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  86. This looks intriguing?!?!?

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  87. Austin and The Rock never asked or didn't want any help and nobody stuck their own neck out for them (except Foley). It wasn't in their characters. Austin did help people who were up against McMahon and The Rock helped Foley and that made sense.

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  88. Did you really think the Network was going to be full of extremely obscure stuff like that? Christ, guy.

    No, you're right. They have every PPV ever made by WCW, ECW and the WWE and there's not a goddamn thing to see. For all the problems the Network has, "there's nothing to watch" isn't one of them.

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  89. WWE is turning parents against children, and wrecking families. They're the HEIGHT of EVIL.

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  90. Is this like his LAST EVER MATCH with Orton 2 years and half a dozen matches ago?

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  91. I've heard all of these in Yoda's voice.

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  92. Ironically enough Savage would NOT help Hogan until someone took a swing at Liz.

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  93. At least Hogan always came out to save his friends. I mean, he would spent 10 minutes showboating about it, but at least he would do it.

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  94. Cena often made the save for Daniel Bryan last year, just for the record. And the live thread was all "and heerree's Cena to leach off Daniel Bryan's heat!!"



    The guy just can't win!

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  95. In that case the critics probably weren't wrong. I think it was pretty clear that WWE really, really didn't want to make Bryan a main eventer because they were pinning their fortunes on Batista's big return until the audience near-rioted.

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  96. Liz probably told him Savage had already won, and that Savage had the FUCKING TEMERITY to celebrate in the ring on his own without Hogan hogging the spotlight.

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  97. But #CENAWINZLOL

    Paradox. Mind........blown. (boom)

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  98. So... What do you want Cena to do? Help his friends (and leach their heat), or not help his friends, and be a selfish dick? Maybe run halfway to the ramp, and yell at them to please stop?

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  99. Yeah. Why put of obscure stuff that hasn't been seen before? Instead, put up PPVs that have been tape traded forever.


    I never said there was nothing to watch on the Network, rather that the current product does not interest me enough to get Survivor Series (probably the biggest selling point of the free month). However, if I wanted to watch old WCW, ECW, WWE PPVs, I can dip into my collection assembled preNetwork. Or has some must-see PPV that nobody has talked about in the past 15 years suddenly popped up?

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  100. Yep, when it comes to the IWC, it's #LOLCENACANTWIN

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  101. If I'm being truthful, I kind of just want Cena to stop being the focus of the shows. I know that's unrealistic though.

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  102. You are totally, clearly their exact target audience for the network!

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  103. Does 'E even know their target audience? I would think anyone with any interest in wrestling would be the target.

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  104. I don't feel like playing the "was this the plan all along?" game again, but Bryan was treated like a pretty big deal from the moment he stepped into the company. He was referred to as the best wrestler in the world on that NXT show, had a storyline with one of the announcers and a guy who was months away from main eventing WrestleMania. Won the briefcase after a year in the company. Main evented the second-biggest show of the year, beating John Cena clean for the title, just months before.
    Whether or not it was the plan all along for him to main event WM30, the following things are true:

    1. It didn't take a fan riot for him to main event Summerslam and beat John Cena clean, things that, combined, don't have a significantly lower threshold than main eventing WrestleMania.
    2. He was mostly booked like a legit player and future top guy from his debut.
    3. He did, in fact, main event WM30.

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  105. You mean that you know nothing besides what zanadude includes in his wonderfully informative recaps right?

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  106. Cena = Worst partner ever, or at the bottom of the best list for partners ever?

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  107. 100% agreed. Even when he "lost" the feud to Orton, he still clearly had the match won all 3 times. He was still a part of SOME plan.

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  108. Cena lost to Bryan at Summerslam took a couple of months off then returned beat Del Rio a couple of times while Bryan was shunted into the Wyatt fued to make room for Cena vs Orton #36281.

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  109. Cena/Orton was clearly a placeholder feud for bigger things at WM. And... What the heck does that have to do with anything? Cena still made the save for Bryan several times, between Summerslam and WM.

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  110. The bigger thing was meant to be Batista.

    This whole Literal thing about ignoring what the plans were meant to be is silly. Only by looking at what they *wanted* to do can we predict what they would *want* to do in the future. Yes, Roman Reigns and John Cena might get busted for a murder and go to prison, at which point Ambrose might get the world title, it doesn't mean WWE is smart or knows the right guys to push.

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  111. Did he, admittedly Raw was not/is not top of my TV agenda, but Punk came out to help Bryan vs the Wyatts and Tweener maybe fired Big Show helped him against the Authority. Can'r remember Cena and Bryan being in the same ring after Summerslam.

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  112. Going back to what I said about beating Cena clean and main eventing Summerslam...here's the list of people who've beaten Cena clean the last five years:
    -Daniel Bryan
    -The Rock
    -CM Punk
    -Brock Lesnar
    Now here's the list of Summerslam main eventers in that time, not counting the Nexus angle:
    -Daniel Bryan
    -John Cena
    -CM Punk
    -Brock Lesnar
    -Triple H
    Point is, Daniel Bryan was running in some pretty elite circles well before he was supposedly some hard-luck underdog that the fans had to revolt to put into the main event of WrestleMania. Whether or not he was specifically main eventing that show, they'd established pretty much from the moment he walked in the door that he was going to be a top guy.

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  113. That's happened several times in recent years. When CM Punk quits, Daniel Bryan gets hurt, Roman Reigns gets hurt and Brock Lesnar is too expensive to be around more than every few weeks/months, who would you focus the show on when you're losing a lot of money? Every "new star" you've recently created/elevated is hurt or gone. Seth Rollins is a heel. Dean Ambrose wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire as the co-top face. You have one bankable guy who's been around forever and at least sells merchandise and house show tickets.
    I'm tired of him too (though I still generally enjoy his matches) but I'd probably have put him back in the middle of things also.

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  114. Yes, they clearly should have marketed this more toward tape traders from the 1990's.

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  115. If by that you mean wrestling fans that once went out of their way to see the product... then yes.

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  116. *Looks around*

    *looks at Vince*

    *looks around*

    You're in the IWC. You're here every day for hours a day. This qualifies.

    It's okay. You'll be okay. Don't panic. ;)

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  117. For me the issue isn't that it's Cena, it's that the storyline doesn't play by its own rules and thus doesn't make any fucking sense. Of course I expect Cena to come out and protect his parters, they're setting up fucking Survivor Series! If they get the shit kicked out of them, they aren't 100% at the PPV and they are at a disadvantage. It's not rocket science.

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  118. That would be awesome, instead of some vaguely evil boss that just makes matches on a whim. They're wrestlers in a company, we get they're going to fight each other. Now, make it seem like the winners get more, losers get less, champs make a ton. Money is the great elixir - it's something worth fighting over! I always think back to the Stan Hansen promo about why he wants to win b/c he has a big fat wife and nine kids to feed and this guy wants to beat him, which means Stan makes less money. Boom, instant motivation and reason to fight.

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  119. Huge props to the first guy with a "RISE ABOVE ICE PACKS" sign at raw or Survivor Series.

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  120. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieNovember 19, 2014 at 8:02 AM

    They established pretty heavily that Cena had an arm injury when he lost to Bryan, and Punk never beat him clean either. It's really just Rock and Lesnar.

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  121. I don't know how else to explain to you that you, personally, do not speak for wrestling fans at large. So I'm just not going to anymore.

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  122. I'll be at Raw next week, but I don't know if I'll be near a camera. Plus, I'll be walking around Indy drinking all afternoon and won't feel like carrying a sign.
    So, I'll think about it.

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  123. How should I put this....I've tried reading them.

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  124. one could claim he is not the worst partner because if you team up with him you win.

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  125. as mentioned before: wasn't that more the "smark" opinion?


    but I don't think it's that far fetch to think that even Average Joe watching would notice that it is kind of weird that Cena is shown as being backstage ... and still doing nothing to save his team partners (especially when later in the show they have a segment with him being in danger of being outnumbered and his team members coming out to help him).

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  126. "He is the real life equivalent of the high school jock and NO ONE likes the high school jock!"

    True, but this is Vince McMahon we're talking about. I think it's safe to say that he LOVES the high school jock and probably always saw himself as the Big Man on Campus who strutted down the halls with whatever piece of arm candy he was dating at the time, high-fiving all of his teammates while the nerds cowered in their lockers. Cena is probably just a projection of Vince's desire to still be that guy who was always the greatest in his own mind. Just look at how he struts down to the ring, for crying out loud!

    Then again, if this is building towards the ultimate swerve where Cena sells out, joins the Authority and finally takes his rightful place alongside Steph and HHH, then this will be a brilliant storyline that we'll all go crazy for. Somehow, I doubt it, though.

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  127. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANNovember 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM

    Well, when they eventually do turn him, they'll have hours of video to show of what foreshadowed it. Seriously, if this was a shoot sport, his team would help Trips' team beat the shit out of him.

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  128. Um, I never claimed to speak for wrestling fans at large. But thank you for inference.

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  129. "Whether or not he was specifically main eventing that show, they'd
    established pretty much from the moment he walked in the door that he
    was going to be a top guy."

    while I agree about the company obviously seeing more in him than just some randome midcarder by 2013, I disagree about them establishing him as a "future top guy" from the beginning.

    and also, I am not sure if this "going to be a top guy" can really be said about anyone until they make it. I mean, there were several workers with occasional (Wade Barrett, R-Truth, The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Christian) and some even with regular (Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, Ryback) shots at the main event that still didn't end up as being as much of star as Punk and Bryan (and certainly not as much of star as Cena or "veterans" like Taker or Triple H) did.

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  130. he didn't claim it would be "good for business" (he even specifically mentions it to be "unrealistic"), he just states that it is something he would want.

    (so your arguments really don't apply to what he wrote)

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  131. 10 more years! 10 more years! 10 more years!

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  132. I rushed for 4 touchdowns!

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  133. In a single game?

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  134. Klassic Kane's Krispy Kritter!

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  135. That was even worse! They showed Cena backstage, watching on TV exactly what was going on!

    It's not like he wasn't there or unaware of what was happening.

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  136. STEEEEEEE-RIKE!

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  137. And of course, the Rock was both a high school jock *and* a high school bully (can you imagine how his treatment of Cole and Kevin Kelly would go over now? "Be a Star" indeed).

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  138. For me, the most oblivious heel thing Cena ever did was when he agreed to face Rey Mysterio for the WWE title the same night Rey won it. Earlier, Rey did that emotional promo where he expressed how happy he was that he was going to bring the belt home to his family, and Cena even congratulated him right then and there. Later on, it's determined that Rey defends against Cena. Are you telling me Cena was happy to get a title shot under those unfair circumstances and that he was so greedy for the WWE title that he'd ruin Rey's moment? That was pretty glaring, but yeah, his lack of assistance to his teammates Monday night was also pretty bad.

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  139. The Rock had the NOD and the Corporation watching his back

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  140. But he didn't act like he was the moral authority of Raw and stood for all that is good and righteous in the world.

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  141. Eh, it was a Colbert joke.

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  142. The Love-Matic Grampa!November 19, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    "I like John Cena."

    This pretty much says it all, doesn't it? Kids aren't thinking "Cena's a jerk for not helping his friends", they're thinking "John Cena is awesome and cool and always wins and I wish I could be John Cena". Especially if they're dealing with problems like abuse or bullying and wish that Cena could come out of the television and beat up their tormentors. It's dark and sad, but I do imagine that at least some of his appeal is based on that unpleasant truth.

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  143. I remember that. That was fucking ridiculous. As Cena was holding the belt high, Cult of Personality hit, and then Punk showed up and held his belt higher face to face with Cena.


    The was the only good thing about it.

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  144. Except wins/losses doesn't matter, unless in a title match.

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  145. I miss wcw. I now wish they didn't lose

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  146. Pres. Douchebag: "The people have spoken and they want four more years of Douchebag!"

    The Sheep: "Douchebag! Douchebag!"

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  147. That's what happens when you try to cram a 3 month storyline into 3 weeks so you can do Punk/Cena II at SummerSlam.

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  148. Gunther the Nasty LoserNovember 19, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    Don't blame me, I voted for Kambrose

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  149. Gunther the Nasty LoserNovember 19, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    Cena = Neidermeyer

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  150. Hogan would occasionally do the right thing, even if in the end it was completely self-serving. Cena's just an absolute dick who's damn near impossible to like.

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  151. One of my favorite promos of all-time. "I'm not after the bright lights and the little women. I got a big fat wife and 9 kids and I gotta feed em!"

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  152. It would get the loudest pops of the show. ROCKY ROCKY

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  153. I was recently playing "20 questions" with my fiance's cousins. They are 10 and 8 and each of them watches roughly 5 hours of television per night. I figured I'd test them with John Cena. Neither of them got it. They'd never even heard of him.

    Now, obviously this anecdote doesn't prove anything. Based on merchandise sales, Cena is clearly the most popular wrestler they have, especially among pre-teens. But when I was there age, it would be unfathomable for someone to not know who Hogan, Savage, Andre, or even Ultimate Warrior were.

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  154. I don't think he ever ran in to save Bryan from a beating though.

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  155. I, quite literally, do not remember Cena ever saving Daniel Bryan from a beatdown. I remember him name dropping and verbally defending Bryan, but only to get the crowd on his side so he could then talk about himself.

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  156. This. Do the Jock & Sock Connection with Foley and Cena and Foley gets his ass kicked repeatedly while Cena talks about what a brave guy Foley is, but TONIGHT I AM NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT TAKING BACK MY WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP JACK

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  157. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANNovember 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Well, the tournament Rey win was so important that Vince cancelled the final so he could fire.... John Cena.

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  158. Which is why Cena is not on the same plane as those guys or Rock or Austin. For all his merch sales, buyrates and ratings have gone down during his time on top and the product is dead cold.

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  159. All I can say is that at least WCW wasn't embarrassed about being a wrestling company.

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  160. wouldn't the ideal situation be that WCW and WWE both stay in business and put on a great product? Why must one side take all?

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  161. I was just about to say that.

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  162. Yeah, in a way, Austin vs. Vince has been really bad for wrestling.

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  163. What Cena's character is doing is no different from Hogan in the 80s.

    Didn't like it then, either.

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  164. Only buying if they put the match in the back of a moving truck!

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  165. Rock rallied the entire roster together to get Mick Foley's job back.


    Big Show cried in the ring to keep his job, but then was fired, and Cena did nothing but makes jokes at the guy who fired him later on in the show.

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  166. Rock rallied the entire roster together to get Foley's job back after Stephanie and Triple H fired him.

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  167. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessNovember 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    The people who ultimately ended up killing the promotion within AOL/TW certainly were embarrassed about owning a wrestling company, hence the reason we have no more WCW.

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  168. I came in to say the same thing. At least Dusty Rhodes helped his friends in the NWA out when they needed it.

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  169. Cena doesn't have near the visibility that Hogan, Rock or Austin had in their hayday. The only non-fans I've talked to that know how he is are some girls that think he's hot (They also knew Orton).

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  170. Hogan could make people want to buy a PPV alone and sell a bit of passion in a match. Cena, for example, comes across as awkward and like a total dork when he tries to get emotional about things (e.g. like that painful segment to end Raw). Basically, Hogan's a much better actor when it comes to doing a promo than Cena

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  171. No Vince wanted to BE the high school jock.

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  172. I don't see WCW imploding with a monopoly. All of the stupid crap you can lay at their feet were the result of them desperately trying to regain the advantage in the ratings war with the WWF. Giving away PPV calibre matches for free on Nitro, the finger poke of doom, hiring Vince Russo, rehashing the nWo until no one cared. All misguided attempts to win the ratings war. If WCW had won and managed to put Vince down in the late 90s? With no ratings war to focus on? We don't get that crap.
    Hogan and Nash would probably have stuck around a bit longer even then...why bother keeping them around with such sweet deals after their contracts ran out with no WWF to jump back to?
    Point being that a hypothetical WCW monopoly wouldn't have imploded.

    All that being said? WCW would have fallen victim to the same crap that's made the WWF/E so frustrating to watch since the end of the war. Competition breeds a better product. The best result would have been for both companies to remain active.
    Variety and competition. Would be great to have right about now.

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  173. In addition, he held the World Title for four months, and the tag titles for eight, and was booked pretty strong compared to what they normally do with "champions"

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  174. Don't tell me you sell women's shoes for a living.....

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  175. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    That fucking asshole will never understand that.

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  176. IMO, Cena can do what he does without being the main focus of the show, and the kids will STILL come out to cheer him on. His character's rigidity (is that even a word?) make writing storylines around him really difficult.

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  177. but wait, didn't Big Show have some sort of iron clad contract that prevents him from being fired by HHH?

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  178. Still bummed out that Indianapolis will never get another PPV again after they shit on the 2012 Survivor Series?

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  179. It's funny that so much of the worst that came out of both companies came out of envy and a dissatisfaction with wrestling -- WCW trying to WWF-ize themselves at various points, Time-Warner/AOL killing their TV slot because they viewed it as low-rent, and Vince's desperate need to be seen as a legitimate player on the larger entertainment map.

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  180. Harlan Leverage IIINovember 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    My kid loves John Cena. My kid has never seen an episode of Raw, Smackdown, or Superstars. The only Cena match he's ever seen is Cena/Punk at MITB in Chicago. He loves Cena because he's on his friends T-shirts, backpacks, and lunchboxes. (He also loves Cena because I rooted for Punk, and he likes to root against anyone I like. So maybe I'm doing something right with this whole parenting deal.)

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  181. grand-standin and hot-doggin

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  182. Turner's WCW was trying to be like Vince's WWF all the while Vince was trying to be like Ted Turner :D

    Again, it's a shame WCW had to die. This was the perfect rivalry. They were made for each other!

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  183. This match actually has some of the highest stakes ever in a wrestling match. 10 people's careers are on the line, several of the them future hall of famers. Kayfabe wise, this is probably the highest stakes for a WWE match since the 2001 Survivor Series main event. Too bad noone believes anyone is actually getting fired, so its all horseshit.

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  184. Rock was the guy who would always make fun of his friend and generally be a dick, but then back them up when they really needed it. Cena's the guy who is always nice, but then he sleeps with your girlfriend and doesn't understand why you'd be mad.

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  185. I think this is about faces though. Heels are supposed to be hypocritical jerks.

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  186. I always loved the Foley/Rock relationship. Rock treated him so poorly up to when Foley thought Rock threw out his book and went off on him. After that Rock unfailingly backed him, rallying the roster and threatening to walk to get his job back, attacking HHH to save Foley after the handcuffs at the Rumble spot, the 5 on 2 thing, backing up Foley years later against Evolution.

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  187. Yeah, you basically summarized that perfectly in one line right there haha.

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  188. Virgil's Gimmick TableNovember 20, 2014 at 1:49 AM

    Remember how hurt Hogan was when Andre came into Piper's Pit with Heenan? "But Andre, what are you saying? Andre you're my friend. I don't wanna fight you brother." Cena would have just laughed it off and made jokes and then get fake passionate about it, scream like an idiot, call him "Jack", and then no sell everything Andre did in the actual match.

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  189. Virgil's Gimmick TableNovember 20, 2014 at 1:55 AM

    Because they're so out of touch that no one wants to look uncool by advertising them. SNL HAD to have Hogan host because he was so huge. Slim Jim HAD to have Savage as a spokesman. Same reason. Austin and Rock and the NWO were so cool and badass that there was no way they weren't gonna get popular in the mainstream. And the merch was cool too. Austin 3:16 and NWO shirts look cool even now. No one wants their product associated with a cheesy fucking dork who wears jorts and has cartoon colored shirts. Cena is horribly uncool.

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  190. Virgil's Gimmick TableNovember 20, 2014 at 3:32 AM

    People who say that WCW was so great and should have won are ridiculous. WCW on its death bed was easily the worst that any wrestling company has ever been. And I should know. I got into wrestling when I was 8 years old by watching WCW in 2000. No shit. All of these WCW fans who have only been watching for 2 years and have only seen the good stuff on the network/DVDs don't understand. I was born into the darkness. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was a man.

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