Monday, November 10, 2014

Monday Night Open Mic

Howdy Blog O'Doomers!
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Hope you have all had a good weekend and this post sees you well as we head into the holiday season.

My question today is simple as I've been re-watching some of the Legends Roundtables. In the nWo one Kevin Nash said that it was going to be either Hogan or Sting as the third man. So simple question, what if Hogan completely balks and Sting is forced to make the move. Does the angle get over as strongly? Does Sting play the Hogan role or does Nash become the "leader"? Where can the angle go from there -- does the nWo still run roughshot over the promotion for a couple years or does it become a heel machine for Hogan/Savage to conquer?

Personally my only real impression of Sting as a heel was when he was muscle for Eddie Gilbert so I don't know how well he could carry it off. Hogan was a heel early in his career and as we've all pointed out even in his days as the face of wrestling his actions were sometimes heel-ish. Plus he was kind of an egomaniac so it was a natural fit. Clearly the nWo doesn't have the same legs with Sting. Hogan going heel was a big deal in the wrestling world. Even if you didn't follow WCW you were going to hear about Hogan going heel and it would possibly make you tune in just to see how it worked. Sting going heel would be big in the WCW world but it wouldn't have had that same across-the-board reaction.

Oddly enough maybe it saves WCW for a while longer because so much money and resources wouldn't have been invested in the nWo thus forcing WCW to expand beyond its capabilities. And then again maybe the wrestling boom period doesn't happen. Hard to say.

Anyway that's all I got so TV tonight:

RAW

MNF (Carolina vs. Philly)

Only a couple NHL games and five NBA games but two are intriguing (New Orleans vs. Cleveland & San Antonio vs. L.A. Clippers)

New Gotham, Castle, Sleepy Hollow, Dancing with the Stars, etc. etc.

Daily Show as Bruce Springsteen on tonight if you are a fan.

Enjoy and come out swinging but try to keep it clean!

1,340 comments:

  1. Sting instead of Hogan obviously wouldn't have had the same impact. However, with where Sting was personally in 97, they probably wouldn't have been nearly as 'all-in' with the nWo and may have even cut it altogether around then. Hard to say how different history would have been in that scenario.

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  2. Kind of weird that they let Grumpy Cat host RAW and not Aubrey Plaza...you know, the person who actually voices the damn cat in the Christmas movie the cat is there to promote.

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  3. Starrcade would see the NWO looking for a fourth man in their cage match to determine who gets Nitro. Arn Anderson would be the mystery fourth man, and I'll let you guess how that works out.

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  4. No way Sting as the third man is anywhere near as big a deal. At the time, Hogan was the most famous wrestler in the history of the industry. Even though his popularity had wained over the years, he was still the biggest name the business ever generated. Make no mistake, it'd still be a good angle, but I've never seen Sting demonstrate the heel charisma to pull of what Hogan did. In fact, I don't think Hogan gets enough credit for totally reinventing himself and becoming the biggest draw in the business AGAIN, nearly 10 years after his peak. Pretty incredible stuff...

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  5. It pretty much had to be Hogan. He fit the theme of being an outsider, and his heel turn was more out of left field than even Sting's would have been.

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  6. Raw fans don't know who Aubrey Plaza is... and they don't care about Grumpy Cat.


    I hope this segment gets shit on, and I hope someone drowns that fucking cat.

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  7. Doesn't get as big because of Hogan. He'd creative control the fuck out of it and have them beaten by like Road Wild that year

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  8. With you until the cat drowning. Swervy heel turn there, bro.

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  9. WCW's history would be completely different if it was Sting. Not that the nWo would have become another Dungeon of Doom, but they wouldn't have dominated Hogan and Hogan would have won out in the end. So on the negative side, we wouldn't have gotten as many awesome memorable moments. On the good side, the nWo angle wouldn't have lasted well beyond its expiration date.

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  10. At least Aubrey Plaza would bring attractiveness and eye-rolling snark.


    With a cat, we're probably going to get Miz TV with a guest who can't talk.

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  11. I hate the idea that the person that owns that cat is rolling in dough right now because they wrote text on their cat's photo.


    Fuck that nonsense. Get a real job.

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  12. So for those who've read Raw spoilers, which I haven't: 4/10, better, or worse? What's my expectation for this show supposed to be?

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  13. I think most know who Plaza is. Especially after we've seen her masturbate with impressive flexibility.

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  14. You'll like it.

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  15. Im REALLY hoping this RAW gets the worst rating of the year

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  16. They're in Liverpool.

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  17. Dang who is your avatar of?

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  18. It would have been a total disaster and killed the outsider if babyface sting was the 3rd man.

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  19. I wish one time they'd do a live RAW from the UK. 2 am punters screaming BARMY ARMY over every segment and firing Carling bottles into the ring. Good times.

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  20. And how would they have even done it? Hogan doesnt come out and Sting just turns on Lex and Savage mid-match?

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  21. Read the spoilers, sounds like a horrible raw. The crowd was apparently quite unruly but I doubt any of that makes the air.

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  22. You liked lots of HHH segments last week, so I think you'll be OK.

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  23. Working my way through Wild Thing 90' HOLY CRAP someone end this freebirds/Pillman Zenk match!

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  24. This right here made my day. It's just, groovy.....

    http://www.avclub.com/article/evil-dead-tv-series-officially-coming-starz-2015-211669

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  25. Drunks yelling and throwing shit.

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  26. I'm not saying you're wrong, but why are you so certain Raw fans wouldn't be aware of Parks and Rec?


    Raw's mostly a male demo. Aubrey's life is mostly a male demo.

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  27. Hey, how did you like that Road Warriors vs. New Skyscrappers ass-kicking? Thats honestly one of my favorite extended squashes.

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  28. Ah gotcha, im all down for that

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  29. If HHH is as "on" as he was last week, I won't mind. But I have a feeling he can't keep up that level of "on" every week.

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  30. It at least was energetic unlike a Freebirds stall and rest hold fest.

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  31. No Hogan would've been on the WCW team and beaten all three of them with a hulk up and legdrop while savage and luger laid on the apron knocked out.

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  32. Someone be sure to tell me if the Stephanie/Lana stuff is as bad in real life as it sounded on paper.

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  33. I hope Grumpy Cat is a way for Batista to return: Grumpy Cat is voice by Aubrey Plaza, who works on Parks and Rec with Chris Pratt, who works on the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise with Big Dave. So when Lana tells Rusev to crush Grumpy Cat after Sheamus says Lana and the cat resemble each other, Dave makes the save, setting up Rusev-Dave for the Rumble or Mania.

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  34. that cat will join Team Cena and win the damn Survivor Series

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  35. Plus, it's Sting: Hall and Nash would have turned on him in three weeks, to Sting's shock.

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  36. I may be the only person who's never heard of this cat before today. What is it exactly?

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  37. And Sting would have never put any effort into his heel turn and would have been acting like a face before the end of the summer.

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  38. Some goober on Facebook posted a photo of his or her cat, and the cat looks grumpy. Every photo is the same with a different "witty" comment on top of it.

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  39. Unless it's the two of them making out in the center of the ring, completely nude, it has no chance.

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  40. Think RKO vines, but pictures with captions of a grumpy looking cat saying somewhat snarky things, like "If you're happy and you know it...go to hell."

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  41. Funny bit from the Lions/Dolphins game I was at yesterday. Really hard to due justice by typing but...


    Ok so we had this total dickhead Dolphins fan in front of us all game. Every first down he'd go out to the isleway and flex his flabby muscles and point to everyone(Lions Fans) and talk shit.


    So this dude in the 4th quarter is walking up the stairs apparently leaving, and drunk off his ass going


    Drunk Dude - "Fucking Stafford sucks cock!"
    Fins Fan - "Hell Yea!" *goes in for high five*
    Drunk Dude - "Fuck you, you faggot Miami Fan!"
    Fins Fan - **Promptly sits down in his seat**


    Just amazing. But hard to express just over a blog post.


    And then we won the game and I ran down to him after the final touchdown to give him a highfive and rub it in his face, as did the other 20 people around him who were beyond sick of his shit all game.


    Good stuff.

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  42. Internet meme from last year.

    Enjoy!http://angiesgrapevine.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/grumpy-cat-disappointment-meme.jpg

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  43. (watches This Week in WWE)

    Wait, they turned Adam Rose heel!? WHAT?

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  44. Of course it's from LAST YEAR. Love that they are so fresh and topical. What is Xavier Woods going to "Get Ebola" at SummerSlam next year, since that will still be a hot topic?

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  45. What if its Stephanie showing her who's boss to get Stephanie more heat?

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  46. Can't get Ebola until 2016; Wikipedia says the cat debuted in September 2012.

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  47. Grumpy Cat is taking over next week BROTHER

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  48. Ha, im a Freebirds mark, but 1988-1991 Freebirds were DEATH

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  49. Ahem -- the Freebirds are Hayes, Roberts, and Gordy. They ARE NOT Hayes and Garvin. Get it right.

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  50. Yea, I just cant see Stinger properly getting at the crowd to the point of shit being thrown in the ring like Hulk

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  51. http://www.50-best.com/images/grumpy_cat_memes/eski-no.jpg
    HAHAHAHAHA come one guys anything can happen in the WWE

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  52. Is she on the show? Id turn it on to see her.

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  53. http://www.knowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/grumpy-cat-meme1.jpg
    Get it? He's wearing a Darth Vader suit!

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  54. Yeah but Garvin was a freebird and what was your excuse?

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  55. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessNovember 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Finished the first chapter of Wolf Among Us on my PS4. Fantastic game from Telltale that perfectly encapsulates the feel of the Fables comics.


    Gonna digitally preorder Lego Batman 3 with the DLC content shortly.

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  56. Renee Young is replacing Byron Saxton.

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  57. Meanwhile, in Canada
    https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/531955271825117184/photo/1

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  58. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7KYmGnj40

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  59. dude you're killing me here

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  60. I'm watching WWE One Night Stand: Extreme Rules 2008. This show was filmed just up the street (if you wanna call I-5 a street) from me but I've never seen it. Hardy doing the dive off a tractor trailer to beat umanga in the opener was pretty sweet.

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  61. ... was the original three-man unit ever called the Fabulous Freebirds, or is that a Hayes/Garvin-only thing?

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  62. I don't know if they ever used the term "Fabulous", but they were most assuredly the Freebirds. The ONLY Freebirds.

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  63. They were always the Fabulous Freebirds.

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  64. Isn't it a totally WCW move to come up with this kick-ass angle and not even have a payoff for it until the last minute?

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  65. Freebirds 2.0 weren't quite as good but had better theme music. Yes I like the Garvin version too, not as much as the original version of course, but I enjoyed the wcw freebirds.
    I just wish the guy who told me Kane was a better worker than Gordy for a big man would pop up to resume our argument in this thread.

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  66. Badstreet USA is the G.O.A.T. of theme music. Not sure why they felt the need for a new song.

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  67. According to the spoilers I read Sting came out tonight and wrestled Orton for the WWE title.
    #NoNotReally

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  68. Probably because their concept for the "I'm a Freebird" video was so bad ass.

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  69. Hulk was always going to be it. They just worried he'd pull out like he did months earlier during his heel tweener phase

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  70. We should get together some time and put together fake spoilers for one of these shows. See if we can get them to stick.

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  71. Grumpy Cat is old for Internets people, but it's still quite popular today. But, it's funny/cute for 10 seconds and then you move on.

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  72. Cavs play way too much music during the games.

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  73. If we could get a fake spoiler report and a fake review of the show up after it could really fuck with a lot of people.

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  74. Btw, here's the Grumpy cat trailer if you haven't had the pleasure

    http://youtu.be/WFKGMecPep8

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  75. That's what I mean. It was never a guarantee until he walked out of that curtain.

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  76. SPOILER ALERT:


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    Daniel Bryan returns tonight... and gets curbstomped back onto the injured list by Seth Rollins.

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  77. Yep, he's jealous of someone in a bunny costume.

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  78. why not just post one now to see if anyone bites?

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  79. Well the movie is coming out in a week or so...so it actually IS topical for once. Fleeting but topical

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  80. GODDAMMIT, DUNN! WHY CAN'T YOU QUIT THE COMPANY?

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  81. I made it through 26 seconds.

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  82. I'm thinking one of the old timers would've killed the cat and eaten or some such shit if this had happened back in the day.

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  83. As was the live execution of the new song. It didn't make WCW look like bush league hicks at all.

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  84. I sat through Rikishi in drag Stinkfacing Bischoff, I can take anything

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  85. This is the main thing I want to see, if it's really as bad as it sounds. How dare someone get more heat than Stephanie/HHH!

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  86. Damn, that would be brilliant if they actually did that. Even/especially if DB isn't actually cleared to come back.

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  87. Actually -- that would be genius if he could take it.

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  88. You there?

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  89. I did once back when RajahWWF was still a thing. So childish.

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  90. Maybe Sting doesn't stop lifting weights?

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  91. I'd say it went off without a hitch! I know I definitely didn't throw that Clash on as soon as it hit the network just to relive any kind of train wreck that occurred.

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  92. we really need a shoot from someone that worked on the WCW production team. I'm sure that would be a fun one. What ever happened to that Craig Leathers guy anyway?

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  93. Then he wouldn't be able to fit into that awesome bodysuit.

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  94. This should be a win and here they are down ten.

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  95. Does anyone know when the sports illustrated archive website was ruined. I used to like going and reading old issues and it was really cool how they were all scanned and stuff, but I went on there last night and it's just awful now.

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  96. Has a good Taker/Edge TLC main event if I remember right as well

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  97. Whoever they cast as the voice of the cat was an awful call. They sound just like the kid.

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  98. NBA teams play way too much music during the games
    ftfy

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  99. It's kind of tough to do that when you have to get their State of Georgia-appointed social worker to help. I'm kidding; people with intellectual disabilities are too hard-working to put on WCW shows.

    I'll bet Jackie Crockett would do it for a few bucks.

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  100. The heel authority figure castrating over heel acts for no good reason. A real tried and true staple of successful booking!

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  101. This is the Sting we needed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kcbQnegCR8

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  102. Yep, I enjoyed the hell outta the match.

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  103. Haven't been there in over a year but that was pretty cool.

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  104. Lol what was the fake spoiler

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  105. Batista Michaels was good in addition to what Onita100 said.

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  106. I don't like Lebron's humble attitude, I want the guy that wanted to win 10 championships. I appreciate all the passing but please put some fucking points on the board.

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  107. Taker bumped his ass off too

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  108. Ah so that's why Raw's been watchable the past week or 2. Vince discovered cat memes and adorable cat videos and has been obsessively streaming them. Yeah...

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  109. That's one thing I would get rid of. Does anyone want to hear that shit?

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  110. He should have. Edge built Taker up like a dominant champion.

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  111. Sold at Duty Free Store, I hope?

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  112. I can't wait until all the other meme characters show up. Scumbag Steve will be a great heel.

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  113. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    So just now he came out of his room and was like, "We need to have this on Raw!"

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  114. It's like a game to see what's going to work and what won't. Right now I don't think having Waiters and Irving will work. Still early of course but that's my initial observation.

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  115. When Mike Adamele is better than the commentary on the WWE's flagship show I don't know how to react.

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  116. Jesus Christ, that was awful.

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  117. Fuck Waiters, cut him. I'm so pissed they didn't package him up to be sent to Minnesota.

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  118. I'd say the Warriors are ranked 29 spots too high in the EPSN power poll.

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  119. In hindsight, I wish they just would have kept Bennett.

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  120. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUcWnNngxbc

    SOMEBODY was dipping into the soma's...

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  121. Remember when MVP debuted they tried to portray him like most egotistical athletes? I wasn't watching then but why did that character fail so bad when we just can't stop getting mad at athletes?

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  122. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Remember the choices you make.

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  123. Well he wasent that great in the ring

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  124. Or just add Waiters and get Corey Brewer.

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  125. the persona itself should have gotten him over, no?

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  126. Watching some 1995 ECW, Hardcore Heaven. Um... The idea of bringing in job guys to get beat up is kind of a different way to stoke the crowd is interesting/different. But, whoever Big Val Puccio was, he wasn't great.

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  127. It actually was a pretty good success I'd say because I can still most of his feuds and I can't say that about many mid card acts. The WWE booked him on that losing streak angle and it killed his career.

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  128. LETS GO GRUMPY CAT/ GRUMPY CAT SUCKS
    LETS GO GRUMPY CAT/ GRUMPY CAT SUCKS
    LETS GO GRUMPY CAT/ GRUMPY CAT SUCKS

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  129. His Thunder promo was even better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmO0LzkZTug#t=270

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  130. I don't think they pushed the envelope with the character in terms of antics and egoism.

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  131. Corey Brewer isn't very good unless your putting him back in the ACC

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  132. CM GRUMP, CM GRUMP

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  133. it didn't fail, he was very prominent on Smackdown when the brands were kept separate. He had a very long US title reign and good feuds with Benoit & Matt Hardy. The gave him a losing streak to punish him for something or other, but it actually got him over for a face turn. Then he moved to Raw and they did jack-shit with him.

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  134. I was speaking strictly to why I didnt get behind him. Being that was like 2006 and I was super deep into ROH mode, I judged guys more based on their ring work I guess

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  135. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Well, this brings me back.

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  136. (CM stands for Cat Meme)

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  137. we watched SD in the mid 00's, we're just better people

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  138. I don't remember which ECW event it was, but the opener being a jobber tag team match with Joey Styles mocking WCW up until the unsurprising 911 interruption was golden.

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  139. I vaguely remember the Hardy feud, but that's it. didn't the have a free throw shooting contest or something?

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  140. They punished him because he made fun of the drug-test doctors, saying that they got college degrees to look at dudes penises and watching them piss all day.

    And this was a super-sensitive time after Guerrero's death and the Benoit murders.

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  141. I have to be honest, if they had Doge hosting Raw, I would watch.

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  142. I remember Wrestlecrap describing it as "even in virtual form, Kevin Nash is lazy."

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  143. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    Yep, I remember most of his heel feuds. Kane, Benoit, Flair, Hardy, Rey, and then both Hardys.

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  144. maybe he wasn't at ROH levels, but in 06, he was waaaay ahead of a lot of his mid 00's WWE contemporaries. definitely someone who I looked forward to watching wrestle.

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  145. Starting him off with a jobber squash on PPV certainly didn't help.

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  146. Ha I forgot about that one.

    Speaking of Thunder I remember being so stoked to play that game simply cause it had a cage match option, as at that time you didnt really see cage matches in wrestling games. The game, like Nitro, absolutely blew however

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  147. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    That, plus pizza eating contests.

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  148. There are a few of us out there. Some years were...better than others, but I still identify myself as a smackdown guy.

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  149. I watched that a year so a go for the first time. I can't remember the opponent but I do remember the act not coming off really well. Like the fans didn't get it.

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  150. Nobody beats Hardy in a pizza eating contest.

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  151. He beat Benoit for the belt like a month before Benoit did what he did, so I kind of imagine them sort of them naturally cooling off the character.


    But this is a period I definitely wasn't watching.

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  152. Evander Holyfield got involved, it was a good angle for the mid card

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  153. Waiters is such a mess on the court, I hate watching him

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  154. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    That just gets truer and truer by the day.

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  155. yeah, they found MVP had a heart condition and couldn't wrestle, so they had him & Hardy face off in every contest imaginable to keep the feud going. Worked too, b/c that feud was over. They even had MVP & Hardy as tag champs doing that "enemies forced to team" bit, and it didn't suck!

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  156. The guy flat out makes me sick. Just a disgusting pathetic human being.

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  157. guys, enough Grumpy Cat...Bruce Campbell is reprising his role as Ash! Everything in the world is glorious!

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  158. I heard Vince was going to try and fly in Paul Meekin to challenge Matt for that title but all the army freight planes were still over in Afghanistan.

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  159. I do recall the Kane Inferno match and they set MVP's back on fire

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  160. Apropos of nothing, I wonder if Pat Sajak has ever bung Vanna White.

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  161. Nah. He's not on her level.

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  162. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    The innovator of He's Fat!

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  163. On the real, Timmy and Lassie would own Raw if they hosted. "What's that boy? Zack Ryder has fallen down the well?"

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  164. The guy should wear two t shirts. And that hair! Good god! That guy can go fuck himself.

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  165. ITT: Grumpy Cat

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  166. Bo Dallas should come out tonight and tell England that if they start to "bo-lieve", maybe they'll be able to get the WWE Network.

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  167. Don't forget man getting hit in groin by football!

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  168. Football in the groin has a football in the groin.

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  169. IIRC, MVP was really bad when he first started in WWE. Then they hid him for a while in dark matches where he was learning from Benoit and he got a lot better.

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  170. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    Forget Bo, have Barrett come out to tell them the bad news.

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  171. Agreed. But SD would generally find its way back to being a semi-workrate show every few months. Mid 2004 was brutal though

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  172. Such two-count
    So England
    Very Network
    Wow

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  173. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 10, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    Yeah, I think that was.

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  174. My favorite Bad Smackdown era was when Angle and his crappy gang started shooting people with darts.

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  175. http://www.wwe.com/f/wysiwyg/image/2014/02/sting_power_team_image.jpg

    Who's the manager in this pic

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  176. I bet they don't mention the network once.


    "Don't forget, you can watch the WWE Survivor Series on the... errr, um, you know however you usually watch it."

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  177. I like to think Angle demanded to have his own version of Evolution, so they lumped him with Jindrak & Luther

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  178. He's got a big fucking head...

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  179. MAGGLE LOOK AT THAT DOG! ITS MOUNTING SLATER GATOR!

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  180. also, JBL somehow had an even crappier gang at the same time

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  181. Just read the spoilers.


    Sounds awful

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  182. Like you needed spoilers for that...

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  183. That's why I'm excited for the live thread tonight. Bad Raws really up everyone's funny game.

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  184. Spoiler: It almost always is.

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  185. I have zero interest in this show. Seems like it's going to flat out stink.

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  186. Holy shit, this intro is taking forever.

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  187. Read them. It's sad how things are going with this company.

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