Wednesday, November 5, 2014

Monday Nitro - June 14, 1999

Monday Nitro #192
Date: June 14, 1999
Location: MCI Center, Washington D.C.
Commentators: Bobby Heenan, Tony Schiavone

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

We're past the Great American Bash and there is no way things can get any worse than the got last night. I mean I do not believe it's possible for a promotion to get less interesting and worse than things have been for the last five weeks or so. The main story seems to be Nash vs. Savage/Sid, which should be more interesting due to Sid being totally nuts and semi-mobile. Let's get to it.


We open with a package of recap stills from last night.

Savage, Sid and the girls arrive.

DJ Ran babbles about the cowboys vs. rappers last night.

Brian Adams/Vincent vs. Curt Hennig/Barry Windham

Adams runs Hennig over with a hard shoulder to start so Curt tries a headlock. That's fine with Brian who sends him crotch first into the post, causing Hennig to slowly crawl over for a tag. Windham runs Vincent over with a Vader standing clothesline but takes too much time going up, allowing Vincent to actually slam him down.

Back to Curt for some shots to the back and the Hennig neck snap, followed by a belly to back suplex from Barry. Vincent gets dropped by what was supposed to be a double clothesline, but it needs to actually connect to be a clothesline. Vincent comes back with some clotheslines of his own to Barry and we get a hot tag to Brian. Did the Black and White turn face and I wasn't told? Brian cleans house for a bit until Barry plants him with a DDT. Duncum pulls Adams to the floor and a cowbell shot to the head is enough to pin Vincent.

Rating: D+. When did the Black and White actually get energy in their legs? Granted the match wasn't anything special but what do you expect from these four? Hennig and Windham can be good when they're motivated, but that's a very rare thing to see anymore. I do like them making it more of a stable than just a team but it's going to get better.

Here's a press conference from earlier today where Master P. signed with WCW. This is exactly what you would expect, including Master P. using a run on sentence that goes on for about 45 seconds. Mysterio, Konnan and Bischoff have some appreciative lines as well. The fact that this goes to commercial while P. is still talking tells you everything you need to know.

Here are Savage and the girls with something to say. Savage says he's the boss and last night was crowned the uncrowned World Champion. He talks about how awesome the girls are and has George gyrate a bit in a demonstration of how Nash looked after the elbow, complete with a cover and pin. Savage rambles about being vicious from here on out and says the Wolfpack sucks. This went WAY too long and made Savage sound even crazier than normal.

Nitro Girls.

Pictures of the dogs from last night. Please, anything else.

Hugh Morrus vs. Kidman

Well this is indeed something else. Morrus pounds him down in the corner to start and spins Kidman inside out with a few clotheslines. A running splash in the corner has Kidman reeling but he finally hooks a headscissors to get a breather. Morrus gets dropkicked out to the floor but he catches Kidman's plancha. Kidman is rammed back first into the post and Jimmy slides in a chair. A distraction lets Morrus drop Kidman ribs first on the top of the chair but Kidman counters a powerbomb and hits the Shooting Star for the pin. At least hold your ribs dude.

Rating: D. Is that really the end of the Morrus attacks the cruiserweights stuff? They had that mess of a battle royal a few weeks back and this is the best they can do? Like I said, Kidman just popped up and finished the match without even holding his ribs. I expect that from Morrus but not Kidman.

DJ Ran.

Here are Flair and Anderson with something to say. Ric threatens to make the eternally present fat boy's mom go WOO. He's here tonight to offer Roddy Piper the Vice Presidency so here's Piper with a full pipe and drums band. Piper accepts the job and talks about how great the old days were with Flair.

This brings out Dean Malenko who says that if someone was waking up from a fifteen year coma and turned on this show, they wouldn't think anything had changed. Good line. Other greats have passed the torch but Flair wants to hold it forever. That's not cool with guys like Dean so he's going to take the torch no matter who likes it.

Anderson says Dean needs to cool it or instead of being a Horseman, he'll be one of their victims. Arn stands at Flair's side but Piper gets in Dean's face. The brawl is on and we see Benoit and Saturn coming to the ring, only to get jumped by the Jersey boys. Bagwell comes out but gets beaten down as well.

Let's stop for a few seconds here and look at how stupid this is. The young guys are perfectly fine here as everything they said and did made sense. That brings us to Piper, who has spent the last month and a half trying to get Flair's power and even had him committed to a mental hospital, but now he's perfectly fine with being Vice President, basically giving him the exact same authority he's had for over a year now as Commissioner? Isn't he still Commissioner and in theory second in power?

Unless I'm missing something, Piper has the same power he had before but is now clearly under Flair and has stopped fighting because he and Flair used to be buddies fifteen years ago. If there's one thing Piper has never been over the years, it's someone who falls in line and gives up a fight. This is so totally out of character for him and makes the last month and a half totally worthless. Things like these are the ones that make this such a frustrating era for WCW.

Bischoff joins commentary.

Video on Norton vs. Miller

Cat vs. Scott Norton

Why this didn't happen last night isn't clear. Miller puts on the red shoes for a dance before the match. Norton charges to the ring with a growl and hammers on Miller to start fast. Cat bails to the floor but gets sent face first into the post and then the barricade. Some chops have Miller in even more trouble before they head back inside. Sonny offers a distraction so Miller can hit a low blow. He loads up the red shoe but the referee goes down because we're not overbooked enough yet. A superkick to the face with a red shoe is enough to pin Norton.

Rating: D. Miller becoming the dancer is a bit more interesting than just being a karate guy but it doesn't make stuff like this any easier to sit through. These two have feuded for weeks now and I'm really not sure why they're even fighting at this point. Is it over who is tougher? It's really taken three or four matches to answer that?

Nitro Girls.

Disco Inferno vs. Van Hammer

Hammer powers him down to start with a slam and a clothesline, followed by the enhanced Vader model clothesline. Disco comes back with some shots to the back and a great looking clothesline, only to get caught in the Flashback (Alabama Slam). Hammer stays on him with some basic power stuff before putting on a sleeper. This is stupid given that Disco's finisher is a jawbreaker, which is exactly what he uses to get out.

It's not the finishing jawbreaker though so Disco has to avoid a charge in the corner and then screw up a neckbreaker. He somehow swung the wrong way. The guy has like four moves and he screwed one of them up? Really? The Last Dance is broken up and we actually get a ref bump in this match. Now the neckbreaker connects but the referee counts a slow two. Hammer grabs a belly to back suplex and a handful of tights for the pin.

Rating: F. We really needed all that in Disco Inferno vs. Van Hammer and Disco managed to screw up a swinging neckbreaker? Why are we seeing so many heel vs. heel matches on this show anyway? Come to think of it, there really aren't that many faces on the roster, or at least not many worth much. But cool heels are the same as faces right?

Disco Stuns the referee post match.

Dennis Rodman might be coming back. Good grief does he have to?

Stills of the Tag Team Title match.

Fit Finlay vs. Brian Knobs

The fight starts on the floor with Finlay getting dropped throat first on the barricade. Knobs sends him into the steps and they head inside for the first time. Finlay comes back with a hard clothesline, only to have his shoulder go into the post. The nasty one stays in control with his boring offense before charging into the corner. Of course Finlay can't get in any further offense as he charges into a powerslam. Finlay avoids a splash and stomps away before getting two off the rolling fireman's carry. Cue Hak for a kendo stick to Knobs' head, giving Finlay the quick pin.

Rating: D. Well, at least it was short. The problem here is an old one in wrestling: with no title or anything to fight for, these are just one off matches that don't lead anywhere and don't change anything. One guy beats another then a third guy wins and then it's back to the first loser. They're running in circles and it got old after about ten seconds.

We cut to the crowd and Sable of all people is in the front row.

Here's Nash for his variety of catchphrases. He's not out here for Savage though. Instead he wants to talk to Sid face to face. Sid pops up on screen for some jibber jabbering and the vague mention of maybe a title match down the line.

Recap of Flair vs. Piper from last night. Buff was going to get the ball if Piper won, then he cost Piper the match. What does that say about Bagwell?

DJ Ran.

Ric Flair/Roddy Piper/Kanyon/Diamond Dallas Page vs. Saturn/Chris Benoit/Dean Malenko/Buff Bagwell

That's quite the tag match. The old guys run away to start until we get down to Flair vs. Benoit. We get the required chop off until Benoit backdrops him into the heel corner. Off to Page who has to be saved from a Crossface attempt. Piper comes in and gets his wish to face Bagwell, only to get punched out to the floor a few seconds later. An atomic drop to Piper sends us to a break.

Back with Benoit escaping a belly to back suplex and rolling up Flair for two. We get the pinfall reversal sequence with Benoit coming out on the bad end of it. Flair tries the Figure Four but gets rolled up again, only to have Benoit nail him with an enziguri and put him in the Figure Four instead. Everyone comes in and the good guys put on Figure Fours in a cool spot (Malenko screwed up at first). Bigelow makes the save with a legdrop though and it's off to Kanyon to work on Chris. A middle rope Fameasser drops Benoit and Kanyon brings in Page as the heels have him in trouble.

Flair comes back in for chops before it's back to Kanyon, who sends Benoit into the discus lariat from Page. Piper gets the tag for his lame punches before it's back to Page for a stomping. We get the required missed tag to Saturn, allowing the Jersey boys to suplex Benoit down. Page goes up for the middle rope jump that is clearly designed to jump into a raised boot and nothing else, allowing for the hot tag to Bagwell. Everything breaks down until it's only Malenko and Flair left in the ring. Ric knocks him out to the floor but turns around and takes the Blockbuster for the surprise pin.

Rating: C+. Not bad here with the young guys FINALLY getting a big win. However, this brings up the important question: how can Flair possibly come back from this devastating loss to a fluke move from a former champion that has been rising up the card for years? I mean, clearly such a loss completely cripples Flair's career and ends any potential he's ever going to have right?

Nitro Girls.

Hak vs. Rick Steiner

No TV belt again this week but Rick does use a collar to nail Hak upside the head. Some chair shots send Hak up the aisle and Steiner takes him backstage. They hit each other with various metal objects before moving on to a big SUV. Rick takes him to the top of the car and rams Hak head first onto the hood. Hak staggers around and falls over a motorcycle, freaking Bischoff out all over again.

Barely able to stand, Hak finds what looks to be a piece of a car engine and chokes Rick with it, only to get choked right back. They fight over to the Hummer from last week (yet we still don't know who drove it?) and Hak is knocked through the roof. The door opens and it's STING inside. A few ball bat shots drop Rick and Sting throws him through the side ofM an RV which just happened to be there. I'm assuming the match has been thrown out at this point.

They come back to ringside so Sting can beat on him with the bat some more. Sting: “What's black and brown and looks good on Sting? A doberman! What's black and white and looks good on Steiner? STING!” The beating continues until Sting picks Steiner up on his shoulder and carries him to the back.

DJ Ran.

Psychosis/La Parka vs. Konnan/Rey Mysterio Jr.

The No Limit Soldiers and Master P. are out in full force. Mysterio and Psychosis get things going with Rey climbing onto his shoulders and crawling downing into a sunset flip for two. Psychosis gets sent out to the floor and it's off to Konnan vs. La Parka with Konnan actually climbing the corner for a Sin Cara armdrag. A headscissors puts Psychosis down and Rey nails a springboard legdrop to La Parka.

Back in and Psychosis gets in a cheap shot from the apron to take over and La Parka adds a kick to the head of the head. Konnan slips by him and makes a tag off to Rey, setting up a double dive to the outside. Back in and Konnan beats up both guys with ease before stereo headscissors get stereo pins on Psychosis and La Parka.

Rating: D. This was pretty messy as I could barely keep track of who was legal for most of the match. Psychosis and La Parka were mostly there as pinballs to bounce around the ring and never be in any real trouble. The Master P. schilling from Bischoff is going to get old in a hurry but at least he was a fairly big name back then.

The Soldiers come in to celebrate but we hear Rap Is Crap as Hennig and Windham have taken over DJ Ran's booth. Finally they do something worthwhile. The rap guys storm the booth and P. shouts HOODY WHO or whatever it is and the fans are just silent. A rap song is played and that's about it.

WCW World Title: Sid Vicious vs. Kevin Nash

Nash is defending of course. Savage and the girls come out and there's no Sid. Randy says everyone knows he pinned Nash last night and wants another shot right now. Nash says come get your belt so Savage says he's the Unified World Champion. He gets in and we have a bell, so I guess this is a new match.

WCW World Title: Randy Savage vs. Kevin Nash

Nash hammers away in the corner until George comes in for a distraction so Savage can hit him low. Miss Madness' dropkick hits Savage by mistake and here's Sid as well. The beatdown is on and the match is quickly thrown out.

Sid and Savage destroy Nash until Sting finally comes out for the save to end the show.

Overall Rating: D. This was another lame show and the Piper stuff is stupid but that eight man was a nice glimmer of hope. Unlike the paranoid guys in the main event, Flair is at least smart enough to know that he can lose one match and then cut a good promo to make people hate him all over again and get his heat right back. If we can get Piper off screen and let Sid and Nash have their watch big man matches (they have to be better than Savage vs. Nash), things could actually be tolerable around here.


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226 comments:

  1. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    The episode of American Dad with Jeff going to Roger's home planet is one of the funniest ones made.

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  2. Gail is great at selling for a monster like Havok

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  3. Nah, last few years they didn't have the depth, even if healthy. Gasol/Mirotic/Brooks/McDermott give them options for different lineups/tactics and fresher starters in crunch time.

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  4. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    A lot of good ones I remember, my favorite has to be Dope and Faith.

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  5. Isn't it universally accepted that Steamboat and Flair's 1989 matches are all 5 stars?

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  6. Not according to TJ Hawke.

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  7. Gail's pretty great generally.

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  8. I was going to say, maybe he didn't get the memo.

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  9. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    And Havok is great at playing a monster.

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  10. This is like 6 Divas matches squished together in length.

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  11. I know people like Trish, but I think Gail is the best female worker in North American history.

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  12. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    It depends on how you look at workrate. I would give any Vanilla Midget match from Nitro a better rating, but I'd still rather watch a shitty botch-filled crazy ECW brawl. Maybe it's nostalgia, who knows?

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  13. Eric Bledsoe's stat line tonight is him in a nutshell:


    8/8 shooting, 2 assists, 4 boards… and 7 turnovers.

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  14. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    TNA: We give woman time.

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  15. Gail Kim is a good face-in-peril. It's her best role. Her matches with Kong were unheralded classics.

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  16. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Well, that's a new gif for Jef to hunt down.

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  17. Definitely a case to be made. I'd throw Mickie on that list, too.

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  18. What IS this telling a whole story in a women's match stuff...

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  19. Gail and Havoc are using the Sting-Vader template, and it's working.

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  20. My God was South Park good tonight

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  21. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    I'm not really big on them, but I didn't see them until about 25 years later, and am not a fan of the NWA, or 80's-early-90s style in general.

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  22. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    There was one in the early days of WCW that wasn't 5 stars....but it was close.

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  23. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    Crap, I need to check those out again.

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  24. It almost works better because Kim is so slim.

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  25. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    This match is pretty good.

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  26. You must be just a negative troll.

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  27. Spring Stampede 1994?

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  28. Missed the cavs catching up because Havoc vs kim was awesome

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  29. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Never heard Manik talk before.

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  30. The monster heel has a dubstep theme, really?

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  31. I'll be rewatching that with commentary.

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  32. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    Wow. TNA's cafeteria is as empty as their house shows.

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  33. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    Yeah, the surprise of the night.

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  34. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    I have it DVR'd, will probably watch it later, be hammered/stoned and forget I watched it, and watch it again tomorrow.

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  35. Saw it like that tonight,

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  36. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    It's the scariest part of her.

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  37. Unlike you , he can disagree without coming off as a D

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  38. If WWE can afford steak and chicken for their cafeterias...God, those TNA single slice bologna sandwiches must be so sad.

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  39. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Which one?

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  40. Not Zeke Thomas is gonna blow past him in playing time at this rate

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  41. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    What was wrong: What I said or that it was true?

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  42. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    Gail Kim with Havok in an Octopus Submission.

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  43. TNA: We use our women who can wrestle

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  44. The way they keep the b plots and allusions to them going in multiple episodes has made the show seem a lot fresher this year.

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  45. Ridiculous for PHX to be heading into the fourth with Goran only having shot 4 times. It's a real problem. Gotta let your best player find his rhythm.

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  46. Somehow, I've gotten labeled a negative troll for bashing TNA. So, you must be one too.

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  47. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    I guess. I've watched them all and admit that they're great matches but the replay value for me is pretty low. I'd watch Rock-HHH 10 times over before I'd watch one of those once.

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  48. You bash EVERYTHING.

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  49. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    No, just a guy who didn't start watching until well after that period.

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  50. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    You know you hit rock bottom when all you can buy is bologna.

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  51. The funny thing is I really don't.

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  52. Maybe. Bledsoe's so good on D, and Thomas is so bad… it's a weird situation. Frankly they should just put the ball in Goran's hands most of the time, and let those guys cut/run off screens. But, PGs have egos (and Goran somewhat doesn't), so he defers to those two and PHX is about 80% as good as it oughtta be.

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  53. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Yum.

    http://giant.gfycat.com/MammothHandmadeHerculesbeetle.gif

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  54. Junior year of college for me. Bologna and cheese sandwiches and McDonalds for almost the entire year.

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  55. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    So sorry for that torture.

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  56. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    LOL

    http://ist2-2.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/1/_/_/_/1/2/w/m/H/2wmHF/XXKo0ln.0.gif

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  57. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Woman time? As in "give me a couple minutes" means I can watch an IYH PPV while I'm waiting?

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  58. MOAR Brees commercials

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  59. Suns got creamed in the third. Goran didn't shoot (and barely played), Bledose had 3 TOs, and MEM whipped 'em 30-19 for the quarter.

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  60. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    Random, but Tony Wroten is doing work in Philly this season. Reslly liked him coming out of school.

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  61. I'm trying to pin-point the time period when wrestling became more about movez and less about psychology, storytelling, and dictating a match off the crowd's reactions.

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  62. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    I sense that this match will end in a 3 on one beat down.

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  63. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    I find Bologna to be the most disgusting thing on Earth. Can't even stomach the smell, I would seriously rather starve.

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  64. Suns sideline reporter: you will not look like a genius.

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  65. This feed is the best thing ever. Sassy sideline reporter making fun of the bullshit "coaches thoughts" segment she has to do after the break. I want this every time.

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  66. Shouldn't heel MVP claim to be from Cleveland now?

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  67. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Why would you put words to Roode's music? It was better without it.

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  68. She sounded pretty sarcastic to me, there. I love this feed.

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  69. My thoughts exactly. Same people who remixed The Beautiful People's theme when it was perfect as it was.

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  70. Roode should have kept the instrumental theme, every time I hear 'off the chain' I think of old school toilets flushing.

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  71. These happen from time to time on League Pass and are glorious.

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  72. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Maybe he'll switch cities in a few months to fit.

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  73. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    2003-ish? Somewhere about there, and I'll take it over CrashTV, which is still kind of going on.

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  74. I'm guessing either Russo or when Kurt Angle became a main eventer. As great as Angle is, the matches seem to be just one big move leading to another leading to trading finishers.

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  75. I watched a lot of League Pass last year, but it was always just crowd noise and a static shot of the court. This is wonderful.

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  76. Buy our $299 World title replica and provide November's talent payroll!

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  77. Angle is one of the worst in-ring psychologist of all time.

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  78. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    Didn't the original version of the theme have words already?

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  79. He wasn't doing some LeBron bit by being billed from Miami, he's from Miami.

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  80. Should've adapted it.

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  81. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    Davey Richards is THE worst, though.

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  82. Seriously though, Mirana Lambert is so goddamn pretty.

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  83. And one of the best, polished wrestlers. It's a weird dichotomy

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  84. He and Flair have shockingly poor psychology considering their talent.

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  85. I hated Davey Richards way before anyone else did. I'm glad the hate piled on.

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  86. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    So much for the third quarter run the Cavs made.

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  87. Probably only have brown mustard too.

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  88. Flair had good psychology in the 80s. I didn't particularly care for his Flair flops, though, as they always seemed goofy and out of context.

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  89. Dragic's getting himself open, he just can't seem to make his jumpers. Super weird. Usually means there's an injury we don't know about.

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  90. Water only for the TNA originals. Pepsi for Angle, the Hardys, etc.

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  91. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    I didn't really get into ROH until Sinclair bought them, I was late to the party.


    Fuck Davey Richards.

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  92. I like how LeBron has basically said, "I've only tried this year against the Bulls."

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  93. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Not at the beginning. It had an epic opening.

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  94. Yep. That's why he was so good in 2000-01. He was just following people's trails. For whatever reason, he became a ring-general and everyone he wrestled had to wrestle his nonsensical formula.

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  95. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Never seen a pair of steel steps that didn't have a cut in them for the ring post until just now.

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  96. To be fair, only Eastern team he actually needs to figure out how to beat.

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  97. Yes. And then they removed the words and it was awesome. And now it's back to...not...being that.

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  98. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    I really like the moveset MVP has developed since coming back from Japan.

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  99. I still find his psychology nauseating.

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  100. You have 24 seconds. That is more than enough time to find something better than a PJ Tucker post-up turnaround. Even against Memphis. Jesus fucking christ.

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  101. I thought that was iCarly. Oops.

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  102. I've mostly only seen him against guys like HBK/Austin/Benoit… must be why I think he's good. Although his match with Jannetty had great psychology, too.

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  103. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    Before I go any further I just want to say FUCK JR Smith.

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  104. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    We should see what Japan would do for Anderson.

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  105. Theberzerker! HUSS!November 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    I doubt crowds everywhere are going to be chanting "KILL STEEN KILL!" so much that they have to acknowledge it, and I like that his new name is a tribute to his son, but changing Steen's name to Kevin Killstein would have been a pretty wry move.

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  106. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    I never liked Flair. To me he's like Bret Hart, only with charisma, and I don't mean that as a compliment. Plus even in the 80s he looked like some flabby old guy.

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  107. You trying' ta get tha pipe?

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  108. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Hobknocker.

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  109. Has anyone noticed that the drama mostly comes from reversals in matches these days? That's the premise of virtually every match.

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  110. My sympathies...

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  111. In modern WWE, The Berserker would have been Huss Viking.

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  112. Spurs win on 2 FTs by Manu after a Korver foul. Sheesh.

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  113. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    Video games imitating life...

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  114. Theberzerker! HUSS!November 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    The HUSS Section approves.

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  115. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    No.

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  116. This PHX/MEM second half is bowling shoe ugly.

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  117. 3 seconds left. I'll have to see it, I'm not one of those GRRR IT'S LATE NOBODY SHOULD CALL PENALTIES/FOULS LET 'EM SETTLE IT LIKE MEN people. If it was legit, good.

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  118. It's the Spurs winning, so ick.

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  119. I miss HBK. His psychology was so subtle, it was scary.

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  120. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    See WWE2K14!

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  121. I actually know a guy who quit watching in that short period when the Berserker was called the Viking. He had no idea they name had ever changed. So weird.

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  122. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    I just realized I had that back-asswards.

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  123. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©November 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    Completely forgot that Aries was still on the roster,

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  124. Didn't you post "The Rise and Fall of TNA" several months ago?

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  125. What's odd is that it's tougher to do it that way. Just work a damn body part! The entire Anderson family did it that way, and almost five of them were any good.

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  126. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    So did TNA.

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  127. Well, you're supposed at least to build to the reversals. The reversals are usually the boom-boom-boom period, where chaos ensues.

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  128. Theberzerker! HUSS!November 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    I started watching wrestling more sporadically in '95 (surprise surprise) than before, and in doing so missed every single appearance of PJ as Aldo Montoya and never knew a thing about his existence at all until like 2001 when I discovered Wrestlecrap. He was the only one who completely slipped my radar like that.

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  129. For as many old school agents and trainers WWE has (and HHH being an old school mark), it's pretty weird WWE style has evolved the way that it has.

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  130. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    Because of that "groin punch"?

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  131. I'll that this style over the non-intense kick/punch style, though.

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  132. They forgot the point of a match is to get heat.

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  133. New play review system in NJ just took two points from the Suns, just to add insult to injury. Dragic 1/7, Bledsoe with 9 assists…. this isn't good.

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  134. Nobody wrestles like a heel anymore.

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  135. Which is why you can go to any Raw live thread this year and see comments like "damn, the crowd is dead," almost every hour.

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  136. Suns seem to be benching Dragic down the stretch. He's shooting poorly, but he's their best creator and a good defender. Can't say I like this move.

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  137. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    AHS has been amazing this season.

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  138. We have one of the best overall workers on our roster, but yeah, we don't need to utilize his abilities. -TNA.

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  139. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Because he's alive. That dude is a fuck up.

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  140. Unless he does have something wrong with him, like you were hinting at about 10 minutes ago.

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  141. Wait, we still have a roster?! -TNA

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  142. Wait, we still have TV? - TNA

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  143. You have FB/Twitter?

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  144. Starting to think he must. That said, he's a guy who historically needs to be able to play through his mistakes; new 3 PG rotation isn't good for him.

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  145. It's sad because it's almost easier to be a heel now. What I wouldn't give for another Tully Blanchard.

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  146. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    I think they forgot that about the whole company. They want to be like a regular TV show, but forget that they have house shows, and they're TV shows are in front of an arena of paying fans.

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  147. Theberzerker! HUSS!November 5, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    Wait, we're still TNA? -TNA

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  148. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    Fuck and no.

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  149. AAaaaaaand that's why you don't take Dragic out. Thomas left Lee on island to shoot that 3 there.

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  150. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    Don't call me that. And fuck social media.

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  151. Isn't that your last name?

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  152. I have a fake twitter under the Petuka pseudonym (so my students don't track me down). It's mostly to follow wrestlers and celebs.

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  153. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    Yes, and I HATE being called by my last name, it's like a running joke around here.

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  154. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 5, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    I met his family and even THEY don't understand him. I figured after he killed someone and he got mentored by Chauncey Billups he'd get his life together.

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  155. Okay, cool. I took that one old picture of Taker waiting in line at the post office or somewhere, spray painted a Lemmy beard, and called it an avatar.

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  156. Suns play-by-play guy just mistakenly referred to the Grizzlies as the Spurs. Not a good sign for PHX's comeback hopes.

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  157. It makes sense that you're a teacher. A lot of my friends that know the theatrical aspect of wrestling are teachers.

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  158. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Cavs about to lose again. awesome.

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  159. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Is that sarcastic or happiness?

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  160. Pretty much fits my description right there. I teach English (and have taught creative writing and film in the past) for a virtual school, which is why I can be here at almost any hour or be gone for days (because I'm grading papers).

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  161. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Sarcastic

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  162. Ah. I'm going to school for creative writing, sort of.

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  163. Suns put Dragic in, he immediately scores. *facepalm* Great with one minute left, guys. Just great. Woulda been nice to have him out there for the last five minutes, though.

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  164. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    Just curious... I don't really follow the NBA and have not particular allegiance/hatred towards any ream.

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  165. You guys will be fine by the all-star break. It's just going to be frustrating for these first two months as James figures out how he can maximize his skill set with the team.

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  166. Two in a row, now. Goddamnit.

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  167. They have three starters who don't play defense. That's gonna be a problem.

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  168. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    I live in Cleveland :/

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  169. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    We moved Waiters to the bench so It's down to 2.

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  170. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    I would recommend going for something that will actually make money. If I knew what said thing is I'd be in school.

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  171. Who's starting in his place?

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  172. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    Shawn Marion as a "shooting" guard.

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  173. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:24 PM

    I'm born and raised in Buffalo, I feel your pain. I-90 4 life!

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  174. Well, you clearly have talent. Your pieces continually amazed me by the professional approach, precise wording, and willingness to take chances.

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  175. Professional writer and former creative writing major here: change your major. Best way to learn how to write is to read, and to write, and most of what else you get out of a CW major you can get out of a decent writer's group or workshop. Plus, having a business/advertising/whatever else degree will only help your writing career.

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  176. It's communications, not creative writing.

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  177. Thank you. Yeah, I hurt my credibility usually in these threads. This place has gone way downhill, though, and I'm past the point of caring.

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  178. Ah. Nevermind, then. Carry on. *hat tip*

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  179. Ohhhhh, Utah bit on the jump fake and Bron did the lean in. Ugh.

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  180. James can be a shutdown defender when he wants to be and can take on anyone from the 1 to the 4 spot. Varejao can take on a big. They'll survive on D and their O will be incredible when they find their groove.

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  181. Marion's hardly a plus defender at this point in his career either, especially at the guard position (though I imagine they'll have him guard 3s and stick Lebron on 2s).

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  182. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    Amen. I'd be better off not watching these games because my usually enjoyable Wednesday night of two or three beers has turned into a twelve pack definitely getting killed.

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  183. Kyrie Irving has 34 points, 1 rebound, and zero assists tonight

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  184. Varejao is a great defender but he doesn't protect the rim, and every title team in NBA history started at least three good defenders, usually four. It's not a coincidence.

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  185. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    Exactly. I can't believe I'm saying this but I wish they'd try out Joe Harris, the sg they took from Virginia.

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  186. Utah at the buzzer! Cavs lose again!

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  187. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    I expect the Bills to get skullfucked but the Chiefs.

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  188. If I were them I'd kick the tires on Mikael Pietrus, see if he'll play for the vet's minimum for a shot at a ring.

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  189. No doubt. I don't see a title for them, but I do think they'll be fine. I think they're good for anything from 54 to 60 wins. Their struggles will just be magnified like the 2010-11 Heat team.

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  190. MikeyMike, WitnessNovember 5, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    But he's a good guy and that guy Allen Iverson was a POS so obviously Kyrie is better.

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  191. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 5, 2014 at 9:31 PM

    Practice?

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