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The Foundation Face Turn


Hi Scott,

Was there a direct storyline reason for the Hart Foundation's original face turn?  I remember it essentially happening as Bret sending Jimmy to the back before a singles match on Superstars, and I guess that Bret had been a bit face-y since the battle royal, but I can't recall if there was a specific incident or tease of the split prior to that.

Well the main impetus was the battle royal that opened WM4, where Bad News turned on him, but the main turn came because Jimmy Hart started two-timing them by managing the Rougeau Brothers as well and then turned around and sold the Harts' contracts to the Rougeaus.  The turn was gradual leading up to that, with Bret doing singles matches and wrestling more as a babyface, specifically against Bad News.  

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  1. I remember Hart wrestling as a face v Bad News Brown on the same card as Neidhart working heel v Poffo.

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  2. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonNovember 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    I believe part of the turn had to do with Jimmy Hart screwing them out of money.

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  3. I remember watching that at the Garden in either April or May 88

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  4. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Why don't "someone screwed someone out of money" storylines happen more often. That's heat right there.

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  5. What a nice little random question on a Sunday.

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  6. I still wonder how a Hart vs Neidhart break up feud might have gone. It would have made sense for The Anvil to stay with Jimmy and act as his muscle. I think it would have made a good angle if Neidhart was torn between friendship and business and did a run with Bret where he made it clear he was just following his manager's orders. He could even play the "You were the one who left" card. The torn loyalties would have also left the door open for the eventual face reunion, which would have given Anvil a big bump in popularity, him finally choosing his old partner over his manager.
    I wonder if Bret could have put together a good match against Jim. The way they worked as a team, I think it's a definite possibility.

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  7. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    How is it that this blog doesn't have an "old school question of the day?" To me questions like that are more fun then bitching about Raw for the 1,383,773,864 time.

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  8. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    I know one thing is for sure. Tears in the eyes would have somehow been involved.

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  9. ITS LIKE THEY CARE MORE ABOUT THE STOCKHOLDERS THAN THE FANS!!!

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  10. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Dude the way we treat McMahons on blogs like this I wouldn't care about us either.

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  11. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Actually thats not entirely fair....most people say good things about Shane.

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  12. Bret would have carried Jim to an all-time classic match that Jim would consider to be the best of his career.

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  13. "After we gave the Mouth of the South the Hart Attack, Jim hugged me and told me that I was always his favorite partner. It was hard to understand him because he was choking on the tears that were streaming out of his eyes."

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  14. HHH STANDS FOR HITLER HITLER HITLER!!!

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  15. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    You know....not going to lie...the image of that little runt taking The Hart Attack is just spectacular

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  16. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Yes but would Jim be on crack as Bret did it? (I'm not even joking...Jim might have been on crack)

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  17. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    Well they both have had douche facial hair at some points in their lives.....um no offense.

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  18. I believe the story was that Bret was becoming so hugely popular that Vince was considering making him his next big start - it was really the only fair and just thing to do. They began Bret's face turn at WM3, which helped make it the biggest Wrestlemania of all time. Fun trivia fact - the trophy Bad News broke over Bret's back actually came from Bret's own trophy room. He had over 90 of them so he could spare one. Following WM3 Titan Towers was flooded with Bret Hart fan mail - so much in fact they had to hire more workers for the mail room. The idea of Bret Hart taking his spot due to his superior talent, popularity and hair was too much for Hogan to handle and he threatened to quit if Bret was given a serious push as a singles star. It was while Bret was making love to two models in his hotel room that Jim called him to tell him the Hart Foundation would be getting back together and turning face.

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  19. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    That...was...spectacular. Standing O.

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  20. I didn't take offense until you indicated that offense was a possibility.

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  21. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    well with you gimmick and all....

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  22. Bret made Tom Maghee look like a million bucks around this time, so he could have easily done it with Jim. . .

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  23. Yeah that really should have happened.

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  24. Neidhart I'm pretty sure worked as a face at wrestlefest 88.

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  25. Bret Hart didn't care about money!

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  26. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Weren't the Harts faces by wrestlefest?

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  27. ALMOST! It was WM 4!

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  28. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    This has gotten me to thinking....my first wrestling party was WM V. I had about ten kids over, (we were all 10 or so) and for whatever reason a total 10 kid for himself brawl broke out during the Harts/Valentine Honky match. And thus it became a tradition that a brawl would break out at some point when I hosted a wrestling ppv party...well at least until WM 1X when we started using Homey The Clown socks on each other, at which point people were getting black eyes and brain injuries and had to stop it.

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  29. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    I assumed it was was WM III when the face seed was planted after Harts and DD beat the Bulldogs and Tito. That's what made it the biggest WM of all time.

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  30. Buffalo playing that special brand of Buffalo football.

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  31. Agreed. What's better to fight about than money? Once the evil figurehead that makes matches on a whim to be a dick runs it's course in another 20 years maybe they'll consider it?

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  32. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    Yeah, I think I only made three votes in that first group.


    I'm still on my "no votes for hip hop/r&b" run.

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  33. Every time I try to have some expectations for this team they beat me back to to vain hope.

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  34. You kids are all the same, if it doesn't sound like Marky Mark and The Funky Bunch, you don't want to know about it.

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  35. AMAZZZZZZZZZZZZZING

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  36. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessNovember 30, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    FEEL IT, FEEL IT!

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  37. Because of your well known racism towards the dark folk.

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  38. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    I listen to almost nothing but classic rock, I just don't like the Beatles.

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  39. I'm all in on a Coughlin/Reese burial at sea

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  40. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    Because of my well known prejudice towards actual good music.

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  41. At least the Raiders got that one win lol

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  42. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    I hate R&B.

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  43. Nope. Racist. I called no take backs.

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  44. They'r playing Marky Mark on the Classic Rock station now? Well, that makes me feel old.

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  45. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    I don't think I've ever heard a Marky Mark song.

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  46. YankeesHoganTripleHFanNovember 30, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    I mean lets face it people have been killed over money. No one has ever been killed over turning on his team in mid game. (or quitting on his team in mid game as the case may be) Emotions just run so much higher when money is involved.

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  47. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    But we totally skipped over the "double stamp it, no erasies" phase.

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  48. Promo for Two and a Half Men is now literally just fart noises...

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  49. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    So is the show.

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  50. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rryo0X41YEM



    You're Welcome.

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  51. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    The man has been shirtless since 1991.

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  52. Jake got really young and black though...

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  53. Giants anger. They're in the middle of an implosion so it doesn't matter but the DC traditionally doesn't blitz, Tampa 2 disciple and hopes for his front 4 to get pressure. The front four couldn't put pressure on a jello mold so they get consistently screwed. Multiple times today he's blitzing linebackers and one of them has 2 sacks......way too little too late pisses me off

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  54. I'm getting jobbed big time in fantasy. Dan Herron, Deandre Hopkins dropping 33 and still counting. Oh and my opponent has Peyton(last name) Fucking-Manning still to play.

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  55. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Shit, I remember that. Always thought it was C&C Music Factory for some reason.

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  56. Buffalo POURING it on now.

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  57. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    And a racist asshole since forever.

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  58. The Bills are BAD! Stop losing to bad teams!

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  59. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    Berta should get a spin-off, she's the only funny thing on that show.

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  60. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    @parallax1978 - This is one of the rare hip hop songs I would stand up for.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijB8wnJCN0

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  61. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    Not bad, more like mediocre.

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  62. My high school English teacher is in that music video.

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  63. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    I'm not sure if that's counter-productive.

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  64. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Cops, come and try to snatch my crops...

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  65. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessNovember 30, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Really? That's not a good vibration...

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  66. JJ Watt. Fucking incredible.

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  67. What's a not gay way to ask him to go camping with me?

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  68. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qke4uurVETw

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  69. If you would have told me 9 years ago when I was trying to tackle Mark Ingram in football practice that he would not only win a Heisman but go first round in the draft and become a starting nfl back, I'd say you were fucking crazy

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  70. Fucking scumbag Giants costing me $$ two weeks in a row....fuck all of you I won't forget this

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  71. I wish JJ played back when two-way players were more common. Because he would have been so dominant.

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  72. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    He beat the shit out of 2 Asian guys and was charged with attempted murder. Somehow he pled it down and only did 45 days.

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  73. I switched to new Girl. Is Manziell in?

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  74. ... for today.

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  75. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    That Snickers ad is pretty funny.

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  76. They're a train wreck, don't bet on them for or against until there's a new regime

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  77. Yep. It's going well.

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  78. Fucking CANNON on Manziel... wow.

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  79. Lawson has been playing QB Spy ever since #2 came in... gotta keep a man on him.

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  80. Of course, as soon as I type that, he drops into zone, so Johnny Football runs it in.

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  81. Fuck yea. Love new girl

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  82. Looks like the Ravens have put San Diego away. SD's defense just couldn't get off the field when they needed to.

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  83. Jax now up on the New York Football Vagiants.

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  84. Browns really miss Gipson.

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  85. They would have been in much better shape, they went for a 2 pointer way too early, missed it, forced them to go for it a second time, missed that. Should be up 3, now Giants in field goal range for the win

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  86. I don't care for fantasy basketball, baseball, or Hockey. I just don't find it fun. SUE ME!!!

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  87. Dang it; i really wanted New Orleans to lose along with the rest of the NFC south

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  88. Nope, now we need Atlanta to lose.

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  89. I started Witten over Fleener this week. Arrghh!!

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  90. St. Louis dropping a FIFTY BURGER on Oakland. 51-0

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  91. One great thing in life is when you expected to pay thousands to when it comes to fixing something and it turns out to only be a couple hundred bucks or less.
    I thought my 10+ year old sleep number bed was broken and had to buy a new one; but it will cost 200 to fix.

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  92. I first heard it in European soccer games around the 2006 World Cup.

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  93. They should literally fire everyone in Washington and start over. Fucking move the team to LA even the whole organization is a joke.

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  94. That brought back memories of Trips being referred to as "HHHitler" by smarks on message boards more than a decade ago.

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  95. Same way elvis also had a hit in the 90s or early 00s

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  96. JPP can not fathom what to do with the read option

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  97. Chargers scratch back into the game, instantly give up a 70 yard return and put their defense behind the 8 ball again.

    This team, man.

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  98. Bench every starter for the rest of the season. A team can't let NCAA-caliber teams eat them alive. Draft time.

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  99. Lol what in the blue hell is going on...

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  100. There's a good 5 teams out there like that right now. Parity!

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  101. how did the bucs go from field goal range to completely out of it?

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  102. "appeared in the main event at Wrestlemania"

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  103. Lovie Smith

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  104. Doing the J-O-B to the University of Buffalo today is the last straw.

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  105. 25-24. Raiders fans, be grateful how absolutely horrible this fucking team is. Can They poor liquid bronze over Coughlin out in the Jax parking lot? Make him a statue there

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  106. My picks have been shit so far today

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  107. It isn't my go to by any means, but I'll order a patty melt at a dinner from time to time.

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  108. A true legend.

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  109. That was pretty terrible. All they had to do was NOT LOSE YARDS. no extra 1st down or anything, just STAY THERE. and they lost 10 yards.

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  110. At least my Eli-pity is still in affect. fucking lousy roster

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  111. That's Lovie ball.

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  112. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    Jacksonville doing what it can to make me feel better. Cat Brotherhood Represent!

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  113. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    Never take Carolina off a bye. Or ever.

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  114. Sad/Good thing about the saints is that they could easily go 4-0 rest of the way, win in the first round because of home game, face arizona or phili in the 2nd round and win there because it is mark sanchez or arizona back-up, and then go to nfc title game.
    Their next four games are all teams with currently at least 7 losses (3 nfc south plus chicago).

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  115. 2-10 Bucs... STILL a mathematical shot at the playoffs.

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  116. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    I guess the Blog is eating my posts now.

    No matter, Cat Brotherhood!

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  117. Good work Steelers...Can't wait until Tomlin drafts three more linebackers to fix the shitty secondary.

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  118. Saints didn't help today, but i'm still hoping for a 6-10 division winner.

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  119. I felt bad for Ike today. All the parts I saw, he was getting horribly outplayed. Must be a horrible feeling for a defensive player.

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  120. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    You guys couldn't beat New Orleans at home? I hope Ben's dick rots off.

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  121. Chargers gonna have the ball on the 1 with 41 seconds to punch it in. Amazing, I thought this game was over.

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  122. Oh he was just awful...they let Keenan Lewis, Saints corner better than him and younger, walk to keep Ike.

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  123. Third pathetic loss of the year

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  124. ... and they got it. Wow.

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  125. I still think they can do it. I have them losing to Carolina next week because it's for Carolina's season, and then predictably losing to the Bears in Chicago at night because that's what they do. That would put them at 5-9.

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  126. There is serious scoring going on all over the early games.

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  127. It's not as bad as the Jets loss but it's up there.

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  128. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    Not a good day for the AFC North.

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  129. It's still not over. The Chargers are terrified of Baltimore's return game. They've been squibbing it most of the game and gave up a 70 yard return last kick.

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  130. Because I'm too lazy to look - How did Atlanta score?

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  131. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:21 PM

    Wow, do I hate broadcast TV. Part of me is happy when the games finish; no more shitty commercials to sit through.

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  132. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    I don't know, but they need to stop.

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  133. Mitch, The GodfatherNovember 30, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    Tall tight end touchdown catch. Can't pronounce his name.

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  134. Except for the Bengals, who will have a 1.5 game lead over the others if San Diego holds.

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  135. And they're all holiday commercials. $5k jewelry, $30k cars - you know - stuff we can just buy when the games are over.

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  136. Awful PI there on Baltimore. The DB would have been better off letting SD try to catch it.

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  137. I've never understood that. Why advertise prestige items during football games. Why not just stick to beer, chips and fast food? Surely there's a better way to advertise Lexuses and Mercedeses.

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  138. AZ jobbed out of an INT - Hester should have had a return TD - Atlanta bench penalty - what the hell???

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  139. Steelers pretty much have to win out now, which won't happen...8-8 or 9-7

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  140. Wow, pretty heart stopping ending. Flacco completes the pass to get into field goal range but the DB tackles the guy about a foot away from the out of bounds line. Clutch. SD wins, I'm happy to lose that bet, it was only for about 1/4u anyways.

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  141. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    San Diego, big win, AFC North still open.

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  142. Somehow the Bengals are in the drivers seat. I think most people figured it was their division to lose but not like this.

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  143. http://deadspin.com/report-uab-to-shut-down-its-football-program-1664885691/all



    ROLL TIDE!

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  144. Anyone who voluntarily wears a block of cheese on their head, please locate the "X" button in the upper right corner of your browser and click on it.

    Also, consider shooting yourself. You wear cheese on your head, for fuck's sake.

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  145. Why the fuck is he going for 2?

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  146. 8-4, WOO WOO CHARGERS

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  147. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    AFC North bloodbaths in December will make for excellent football, as will the NFC South for comedic value.

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  148. It would be amazing if CBS would start airing the Packers game.

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  149. So FOX tanked with Greg Kinnear with Rake. Now they're going to try the same thing with the forehead guy from the Office as a cop next month?

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  150. Gotta love those Lexus holiday ads where people stick bows on top of new $50K cars.

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  151. They gotta fill that network slots with something

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  152. I think the saints win out. The Bears are honorary NFC south members.

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  153. The NFL would be foolish to pass up that ad money though.

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  154. That whole story is like an 80s sports movie except without a happy ending. If it was a movie, UAB would play a bowl game where Warren Buffet donates 100 million to the winner and they win on a hail mary. But it's not happening I guess. The real world sucks.

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  155. Rake was a really good show once you got used to the tone and pacing of it. But I fear I was the only one watching it.

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  156. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM

    LOL

    Alabama is fucking their neighbors up this weekend. GO BAMA!

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  157. I love to go by with a snowplow and the bow would be the only visible item.

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  158. The verbal fellatio of the Pats and Packers by CBS is already pissing me off

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  159. Oh definitely, I don't question the NFL or the networks' side of things. Keep gettin dem checks and all that. I just wonder why Lexus would spend the big bucks for NFL ads and not spend the money a better way.



    Or maybe I'm a moron and there is no better way. Just doesn't seem to make sense that they'd advertise to a market where 95% of people will never be able to afford what you're selling.

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  160. They could just air new episodes of Brooklyn Nine Nine in every slot.

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  161. Rainn Wilson as a cop?

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  162. I tried. The ads sold me but I wasn't impressed.

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  163. Bayless, you have permission (and encouragement) to go Full Simmons for this game.

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  164. The mute button should be your friend.

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  165. Stranger in the AlpsNovember 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    They need to locate the X in the upper right corner of life.

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  166. We just got reacquainted

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  167. It would make sense. The hardest game is next week and it's at home and they have momentum. But I figure if the Saints were good enough to win 5 games in a row--even easy games--they wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.

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  168. 1.9s all the time? What is this, SmackDown?

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  169. Bear Bryant's kid just injected them with a lethal dose of POISSSSSOOONNNN

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  170. Not SmackDown. Because Brooklyn 99 is actually entertaining! OH.

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  171. Welcome to our world! - people watching Steeler games.

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  172. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Oh, we know each other real well from watching WWE.

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  173. Yeah, I'm surprised (bt happy) they made the comeback

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  174. Hey the Steelers have three players on offense and maybe two on defense that aren't shitty this year.

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  175. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Ha ha, let's not go crazy here...

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  176. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    So did the Bills win? I got so fucking bored that I turned on the 360.

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  177. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    As one of two other teams that I like besides Carolina, I pray that Green Bay beat the high holy hell out of New England

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  178. Yeah. Johnny came in and gave the Browns an instant shot of adrenaline with a TD drive but Buffalo was up by way too much.

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  179. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 30, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    The season is still alive! At least until they get assfucked by Green Bay.

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  180. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    If your team isn't preceded by Oakland, Tampa Bay, or Carolina, you have no room to complain.

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  181. JOHNNY JAM BOOGIE

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  182. Well that didn't take long. SBNation already has Manziel getting pinned by the Undertaker after getting slumped in the end zone. I figured it would be up by the end of the day but not by the end of the hour.

    http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/11/30/7310835/johnny-manziel-takes-a-nap-in-end-zone-bills-fans-taunt-him

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  183. Over/under .5 touches for Jonas Gray?


    Not five, point five.

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  184. Biff Kensington IIINovember 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Beautiful. Fuck that guy.

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  185. Gotta teach that boy a lesson

    #pretentiouspatriotway

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  186. The Saints scored more points than the other team over 60 minutes. I don't understand

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  187. YOU'LL RUE THE DAY YOU DIDN'T PLUG IN YOUR PHONE CHARGER, ROOK!

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