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Howdy Blog O'Doomers!

Happy December and I hope you are getting into the spirit of whatever you celebrate this time of year. We just got our Christmas trees yesterday. I love the smell of them. I hate the mess but I can put up with it for a month to wake up to that fresh pine smell.

Anyway everyone's listened to the Punk-Cabana podcast and in reality I think it just confirms a lot of what you guys talk about on this thread. There's a lack of direction, a lack of ideas and Vince/HHH are far more concerned with what they can do to keep Cena fresh than build the depth and interest of the roster. And when guys they don't really give a shit about (Sandow, Cody, etc.) get over with silly stuff, they don't want them to get too hot.

I agreed with Punk on the 2011 HHH stuff. It made no fucking sense for HHH to put himself over Punk when Punk was the top hottest guy in the promotion. It was stupid, it didn't lead anywhere. And HHH left right after the couple of matches so what was the purpose?

That being said Punk appeared to be his own worst enemy from a health standpoint. I blame him for continuing to work in so much pain and with a serious staph infection. If he didn't trust their doctors he could have went to his own. He should have told Vince he wasn't going to work until he felt healthy. He let his ego get the best of him and I can't blame Vince for taking advantage of that. Punk could have said no, he should have said no and taken the time off that he needed to. He had enough value long term to justify taking off from WM 29 to Summerslam if he needed that break. It's his fault he didn't stick to his guns. If he wanted to do what Harley Race did then that's on him.

The rest of the stuff, from firing him on his wedding day, etc. etc. is the typical petty BS that goes on in volatile business relationships, especially one where the seeds of mistrust are planted early. Punk says he's happy, he's got his money and there will never be a working relationship again. The old-school fan in me says the latter is bullshit, but the person in me hopes he's right. Surely New York has moved on because they got their own problems to worry about with Wrestlemania XXXI getting closer by the day and no real direction right now for a lot of guys.

Anyway, that's all I got. TV for tonight:

RAW
MNF is Dolphins-Jets
Four NBA Games and Five NHL Games

A lot of shows are done until the new year but Colbert starts his three-week countdown before moving to take over Letterman's gig.

Enjoy. Keep it Clean!

Comments

  1. Tonight seems like a Gregorian Chant sort of night.

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  2. Been watching Lucha Underground over the weekend, currently on the 4th episode. Wow this is a great wrestling show, tremendously gifted wrestlers, announcers who are enjoyable to listen to, interesting storylines, and a very different presentation style tat I've grown to really like over the episodes.

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  3. Ballotelli has just posted a anti-racism picture on his twitter than manages to be extremely racist.
    https://twitter.com/LFCFansCorner/status/539502289598545920/photo/1
    At this point I think he's just trolling the media.

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  4. Raw is going to be the best show in the history of our sport, fans.

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  5. DRINKING GAME: Take a swig every time Vince says "quite frankly" or makes a bold faced lie. Take a shot every time he says "without/beyond a shadow of a doubt".

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  6. Don't drink every time he emits a low growl or grunt. You might die from alcohol poisoning.

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  7. so apparently I was living in a hole recently and had no idea about the podcast until about an hour or so ago (thanks BODers).


    so I'm at home tonight, bored and actually caught up on work for once. Do I watch Raw, or go with the Punk podcast, or flip-flop?

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  8. Bout to leave work to go watch. In all honesty, this show seems boring and gives me time to clean my house with Raw as Background noise.

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  9. You can watch RAW and listen to the podcast at the same time.

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  10. The podcast is a must-listen for every wrestling fan. A living piece of pro wrestling history, bar none.

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  11. The Raider game afforded me the same chance at house cleaning.

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  12. I love me some Big Cat Week.

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  13. Who's excited for the Anonymous GM.

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  14. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    Not everyone has listened to said podcast.

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  15. Nat Geo Wild.


    I don't think I normally get it, unless some programming changes. But I'm very happy to have it currently.


    I finally saw Safari Live, and I'm hooked. Too bad I have to work and all that.

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  16. My big concern about the podcast is that it's going to make the Punk fanboys more determined than ever to derail everything about the WWE. Not saying Raw is going to be worth letting go on its own pace, but this could get ugly.

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  17. Let me guess. You've got podcasts from six months ago under your couch cushion

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  18. I haven't listened to the podcast yet... But am rather content listening to the Wrestling Observer's rundown of it.

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  19. ...did you follow BoD over this weekend?

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  20. Do the idiots who chant CM Punk at AJ not realise not only are they basically reducing her to nothing more than Punk's woman but actively hurting her career?

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  21. You look a bit like the guy that hosted Prisoner's of Gravity on TVO in the early 90s.

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  22. No I'm...doesn't!

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  23. Hey, the last "derailing" improved WM. All that got derailed was a trainwreck waiting to happen.

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  24. Does anyone else feel like WWE vs some of its fans has to have some sort of resolution in the near future? That's probably me just wishing there would be some sort of resolution.

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  25. Having never heard of either the show or the channel (guessing it's from the US) I can confidently say I'm not him.

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  26. Even if they do know, so what?


    WWE's women's wrestling is clearly an inferior product, barely worthy of keeping around except get to PG viewers some PG thrills and a change of pace.

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  27. Being in the current divas product is hurting her career plenty, lol.

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  28. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Actually, I've got to catch up on my Little Orphan Annie radio broadcasts.

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  29. There has already been a Punk backlash with those complaining about it being one sided, Punk having an over inflated ego, and unhealthy obsession with main eventing WM. Then again, his name was not CM Pragmatic.

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  30. Back then, there was a viable alternative. What would the Punk fans want as the WM main event, other than what they cannot have because neither Punk nor Bryan appear ready to go?

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  31. Spending time with the old ladies can cut into leisure time.

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  32. Punk would put on the best match of the night if he were there tonight.

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  33. You get no grief from me.

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  34. Cross our fingers the latest Bryan report was smoke aimed at concealing the giant return pop at the Rumble?

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  35. Close, Canada. And no one who wasn't 13 years old with a habit of staying up really late has ever heard of the show.

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  36. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    Mrs. Stranger will be offended when I tell her what you said.


    I tell her everything that goes on here.

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  37. Oh, our e-fed died? We're not allowed to reference that?

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  38. I've got podcasts - period, as a medium - under my couch cushions.


    I'm gearing up though, I'll be ready to listen to one some day!

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  39. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Did it die? Or is Bayless playing catch up? I haven't been around as much.

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  40. There's been two major responses from online fans
    1) Punk is god and WWE is evil, Vince is evil how dare he not do everything that Punk ahs ever wanted. HHH is evil, Ryback is evil, doctors are evil, etc.
    2) Punk raised some good points, some points which were clearly his biased viewpoint and some which were bullshit.

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  41. The only solution would be to either let those fans be the bookers, or give those fans exactly what they want. Which is of course impossible because those fans don't speak with one voice.

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  42. If you've ever been to a RoH event, you know I'm concerned about group 1 and you understand why.

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  43. If AJ wants to be an actual wrestler, she probably needs to hit Japan.


    Maybe their plan is for him to rest and get healed up, and for her to make a bit more with the WWE. Once the contract ends, go over to Japan for a few months/years.

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  44. Yeaaaaah, I think #2 needs some revising, lol.

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  45. Oh no...at 7:30 Bono, Chris Martin and Springsteen on ESPN...

    I don't know if my television can handle all the pretentious douchiness...

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  46. Hornswoggle will get more chants tonight than he did in his entire career

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  47. Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Orton or Sheamus could all step into Cena's spot facing Lesnar at Wrestlemania. If they had a few months build.

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  48. There is no magic wand solution but there has to be some happy medium other than ignoring everyone

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  49. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    The question that has arisen from me, someone who hasn't listened to the podcast, is will it have any direct impact on the on-screen product?


    I doubt it. I don't really follow the backstage politics of the business. I am clearly on the non-smark side of the curtain.....for the most part. I'll peek behind it on occasion.

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  50. I always chant at little people. Like on the bus or whatever.

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  51. I have seen/heard a #3) Punk is a whiner who took his story to the one outlet that wouldn't question his story or mindset.

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  52. Hopefully the Bunny will unmask tonight.
    I'm legit interested in who is under the mask.

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  53. Iiiii'm skeptical that anyone who is a daily poster on Scott Keith's blog could can claim to be a non-smark.

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  54. Would the purely contrarian be group #4 then?

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  55. It's Me Austin! It was me all along!

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  56. I don't think WWE is ignoring them. For example, the fans basically got Mizdow over and WWE responded by giving him the tag titles and more TV time every week.

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  57. You leave the Boss out of this.

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  58. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    I really don't know what to categorize myself as. In the know, but not giving a shit so long as I can watch some wrestling on my TV.

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  59. Are you a woman in her 40s lol?

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  60. Are the "who cares? New Japan has a steaming network" #5?

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  61. You're called silly. And that's ok.

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  62. We're all just people maaaaaaaan. R-e-l-a-x

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  63. that's true but I guessing for a little more. Watching guys try to hijack the show and get themselves over is just getting old and I wish they would do something to address it. That doesn't mean Bryan vs Punk at Mania but a little more than what they are getting.

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  64. To be fair, WWE needs derailed. To bad their aint viable competition that could do that.

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  65. Adventures with my minions:


    I've had someone say the problem with the fans nowadays is that the trolls have taken over. He claims that Zack Ryder is the example: he gets chants, he gets demands from the fans, and then when the WWE finally listens, the fans just stop cheering him. And now the WWE can't trust anyone because they're afraid the loud fans are joking.


    So now, they can't push anyone without throwing them under the bus because they don't know if the fanbase is legitimate.


    What do I say to that?

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  66. Shimmer/Shine could also be an option for her if she wants to have a go at non-wrestling gigs on the side.

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  67. I don't know, but I'm really, really glad that Ryder was jobbed out.


    I hate that guy.

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  68. The last PPV that headlined Rollings and Ambrose actually had a higher buyrate than the last PPV that headlined Cena and Lesnar, so that might be a start.

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  69. That's tough because when WWE gives them what they want -- Daniel Bryan's WM30 moment, for example -- it only empowers them to ask for more. The fans believe they forced WWE's hand on Bryan, so now they think they can force a CM Punk comeback. If that happens, they'll think they can force HHH's retirement or something else.

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  70. I don't think that's what's happening at all

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  71. It'd be hilarious if it was CM Punk somehow.

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  72. The ladies love him. He's also popular with sarcastic people.

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  73. Hey, WWE really listened by turning Ryder into Cena's damsel in distress.

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  74. If like to see a sitcom with Punk and AJ just living in Chicago... Until unbeknownst to everyone, Steph and HHHH buy the house next door. Wackiness ensues.

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  75. I dunno about that, I'M a sarcastic person.

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  76. I thought about this, and I shared this with my friends... and the response was: "So basically, WWE should shut down NXT and just hire RoH alumni and only RoH alumni because anyone who isn't a RoH alum will never get over." (And he includes SHIMMER as RoH's distaff equivalent.)

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  77. Who is the greater power? Who screwed Bret? Who ran over Austin? Who is Vince McMahon's son? All these unsolved mysteries will be solved tonight on Monday Night Raw.

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  78. Are you being sarcastic?

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  79. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Silly me. CM Punk podcasts are for smarks.

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  80. WWE catches a break tonight...MNF could very easily turn into unwatchable dog shit very quickly.

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  81. Pushing Ryder to the top would mean he'd have to do interviews, appearances etc outside of the WWE. Nobody wants to see that

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  82. It's Will Sasso.

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  83. If Punk is to be believed then the did force Vince's hand. I'm really not sure what the resolution is but it's something that they have to address somehow. This cat is going back in the bag because, as you said, the fans believe they can dictate booking.

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  84. That was pretty sarcastic.

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  85. I'm still going to watch, but I'll be hanging around in the thread so I can check in with RAW if anything worth watching happens.

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  86. Monday Football tonight is STARTING at the unwatchable dogshit level.

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  87. Vince, HBK, HHH, Hornswaggle.
    Wow the talent level took a sudden dip at the end didn't it?

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  88. You appear to be a Dolphins fan, so it's allowed.

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  89. I've been downloading Fight Night Champion for a few hours now and it's only at 67%. So slow.

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  90. I've said it before... Ryder got a small, vocal following going for him and he made the most of it. He got his US Title story played out, and it was good. Problem was, he really couldn't get it done in the ring.

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  91. And his entrance music is one of the more annoying ones. Not quite Miz levels of annoying, but close.

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  92. WWE actually backtracked on Hornswoggle being his son, just like they are now backtracking on the anonymous GM.

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  93. I'd say his ring work is decent, it's his mic work/goofiness that lets him down

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  94. He can do moves, no-one doubts that but his matches just fall flat. I'd say he's just barely below average in the "in-ring department."

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  95. Fans didn't just abandon Ryder. He got his big moment, the fans celebrated accordingly then he lost said title shortly after, got his dream girl taken from him by his friend, and then lost a bunch. All in the span of 3 months.

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  96. I must have zoned out over the part of the storyline. Did anyone really get revealed as his son?

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  97. I know we've all had a gutful of talking about Punk, but whatever your opinion of him he deserves props for admitting that he hates the fact that the term "pipebomb" was used to refer to nearly every promo for a long time.

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  98. Serious question: over the last 2-3 years, the only people to get fans behind them are indy darlings (Punk, Bryan, Ambrose). The WWE wants Roman Reigns to be like that, but the fans appear to want Ambrose more. If you're WWE, should you be worried that the loudest fans reject homegrowns because they're not "indy darlings"?

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  99. Did we ever find out who raised the briefcase out of Austin's reach at KotR 1999?

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  100. They're doing a Black Friday deal with a bunch of games. I grabbed FN Champion and will probably grab Hitman HD Collection.

    There are newer games too but I wasn't into them.

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  101. Yeah, hornswoggle was revealed as his son, but they realized the storyline was his shit and backtracked and made him fit finley's son.

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  102. I'd crack up if that happened.

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  103. Well it is Cyber Monday meaning lots of fan poll votes, although we have those a lot anyway so.

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  104. Ryback had the fans behind him for a period. Ziggler & Wyatt have fan support. and if we include women you can also include AJ as well.

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  105. Bossman. Got kicked out of Corporation right before KOTR. Got accepted back in shortly after KOTR thus ducking the stip that no corporation member could interfere.

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  106. Yeah, that's what I meant. Almost went with Fight Night. I snagged the NFL Blitz/NBA Jam combo for $4.99.

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  107. Wasn't that revealed as Bossman the following night?

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  108. Fight Night Champion is $3 and FN 4 is $2. Not bad.

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  109. My biggest issue with Punk coming out of the podcast was how much he focused on "Vince said he'll owe me one", at least 2-3 times he mentioned doing things Vince owed him for and he seemed shocked when Vince didn't "pay him back" with a Mania ME. Not sure if Punk genuinely thought Vince would do right by him (naive? koolaid drinker?) or he just thinks that's the angle that'd get him the most sympathy, but either way, Vince has a rep of fucking over people(metaphorically and literally) to get what he needs, no way Punk'd be any different.

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  110. Too be fair, the WWE fans were rapidly behind reigns at first, Especially at last year's Royal Rumble when he got the anti Batista cheers. Ironically, if they have him win next year, he will get the Batista Backlash instead.

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  111. Vote now, do you want Harper to defend his title against
    A) DOLPH ZIGGLER!!!
    b) Justin Gabriel
    c) El Torito
    Remember every vote counts!

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  112. I don't think it's because they're indy guys per se, more that indy guys get experience that homegrown wrestlers don't get. People learn their craft by practicing it. Wrestling isn't a play.

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  113. Well Mizdow is a homegrown WWE guy, Ryder wasn't an indy darling, I do think it mainly is that the guys who have wrestled all over the world in different promotions for the most part are more well rounded and have learned to connect with different fans better.

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  114. Should have gotten it on Steam (if available). I'll box you.

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  115. Each of the last few Wrestlemania's he wouldn't have made sense in the main event. He did get the semi-main event (depending on how you count it) several times though and would have done so again at WM30

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  116. Vince's rep as a douchebag doesn't make his douchebaggery okay.

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  117. I once drank a cream soda as a kid.


    I didn't care for it.

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  118. Announced for tonight's show: a 5-team Tag Team Turmoil with New Day, Rose/Bunny, Goldust/Stardust, Usos, and Cesaro/Kidd.

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  119. A match involving the Usos and the Dusts?!?!?!? No way...

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  120. Taker vs Punk could have gone last if he'd kept the title.

    Probably should have seeing as Rock--Cena was boring and heat-deficient anyway

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  121. Exactly this, he thought Vince was being genuine with him, and instead he was just using him, talking him into wrestling hurt and injured, and if he hadn't quit who knows if he would of survived the infection.

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  122. Is for the No1 Contendership?

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  123. With goal driven people... management always uses "the dangle" and it almost always works.

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  124. Ooh, only ONE slapped-together team! Make a division, ya lazy bums!

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  125. They don't include Slater/Gator or Matadores but include a thrown together team instead?

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  126. And it's a shitty way to treat people.

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  127. I can already smell one of New Day jobbing to the Bunny...

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  128. Can anyone even beat the first level of Contra Hard Corps? God is that game fucking hard!

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  129. How much credit do you think a PS3 will get at GameStop?

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  130. So either Punk breaks the streak or Undertaker wins the title neither was a possible outcome.

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  131. Walked into that.

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  132. I might watch a part of RAW for the 3rd week in a row! OMG! NEW RECORDZ!!!

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  133. knowing GameStop, don't expect much more than that.

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  134. I'm watching the RAW where Austin threatened McMahon with death for the whole show. Going to be way more entertaining than RAW.

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  135. In all seriousness, GameStop is a bunch of Shylock motherfuckers...I'd try selling it on Ebay.

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  136. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessDecember 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    $70 straight, $125 if you trade it towards a PS4 - that's what I got a few weeks ago.

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  137. Cheetahs are the fastest land mammal. We all know that.


    It's something else to watch in super-slo mo of a cheetah running past zebras and wilderbeasts while chasing down a Thompson's gazelle.


    Wow.

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  138. Hey, "I'll owe you owe" is McMahonese for "jack shit," but Vince WAS willing to piss his pants on live television for the sake of a joke.

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  139. beneath the pleading and begging to Austin, there had to be big dollar signs flashing in his eyes when he was doing that.

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  140. Only watching Raw to see if someone lowkey mentions anything Punk said last week.

    I'd include the fans as well.

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  141. New Day either get catapulted straight to the tag title match at TLC (which is a terrible move) or they lose tonight shortly after debuting ( a worse move) The only possible good outcome is they get DQ'd for beating the hell out of their opposing team.

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  142. I have literally never seen a Ryder match that wasn't him jobbing to someone in under 2 minutes, thus I have no opinion whatsoever about him.

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  143. Actually looking forward to RAW tonight.

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  144. Is Bunny a legal competitor? Does this company not run background checks?

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  145. I could actually see Anonymous pulling them from the match for being 3 people.

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  146. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessDecember 1, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Yes, but not for the reason WWE would be hoping.

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  147. I think it's just a man in a bunny costume.

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  148. How many dudes from the 80s are walking around still believing they were going to be champion?

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  149. I just wanna watch some fresh 'wrasslin. Couldn't care less about the Punk chants.

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  150. and a sicko like that passed the background check?

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  151. I don't think Ambrose belongs on that list. The other two survived poor booking partly because they were so good in the ring (and on the mic in Punk's case). Ambrose hasn't shown me much promise in that department.

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  152. My computer can't even run YouTube let alone Fight Night lol. My laptop broke and I'm stuck with my 10 year old PC.

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  153. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD on the Wii U is the prettiest game I have ever seen. I was at Ice Ring Isle today and my jaw was on the floor.

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  154. Because I totally believe Vince told Bad News he was going to be champion...
    Everyone was told they were going to be champion, everybody could see that Austin was going to be a superstar, everybody got held back by the Kliq. The same empty claims are made by so many people it's stopped being funny.

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  155. Hard times is when a man is forced to use an old computer still running Windows XP when Microsoft did something to make it run slow daddy! That's hard times!

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  156. Hence the main event of Wrestlemania.


    What the hell's gonna happen is always a great way to build interest and interest usually = $

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  157. You still have to be ready for the aftermath. Which of those outcomes do you want to have happen?

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  158. But you still have a show to put on the night after, the week after, the month after.
    Booking yourself into a corner because it'll get people talking is a very WCW attitude

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  159. Princess bringing the goods with the intro to this thread. I wish she'd write columns more often.

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  160. There was a lot of people who railed on the art style back then but it's a huge reason it's aged so gracefully

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  161. I wish we had more stuff from Scott, we haven't had a review since Surveyor Series.

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  162. Windows XP 4 Life. Hard time is using a laptop for 3 years but it breaks and kick you in da butt and you go to your old computa and it say "hey a computa took my job daddy" das hard times!

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  163. i'm sure we'll eventually get a Montreal/Invasion/Mt Rushmore post in due time... if we are patient...

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  164. Contra being hard is like saying there's a good chance a RAW main event ends in a no contest/DQ

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  165. I love LOVE cream soda and wished more mini marts carried it

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  166. Tough to say, i was for keeping the streak intact forever but Undertaker outright cannot work a full time schedule so let Punk break the streak a year early and hold it till Summerslam for Daniel Bryan? Or let Supercena win it at Extreme Rules.

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  167. Decided to watch some of ROH Survival of the Fittest Night 1 2014 before Raw starts, some fun stuff, Page/Alexander was fun, and hadn't seen Delirious in a while, always a fun guy to watch.

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  168. When has Vince literally fucked someone to get what he needs?

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  169. "What color are your shoes?"

    Greatest Arrow line or greatest Arrow line?

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  170. And we all had hard times togetha! I'm gone put my hand out right now...my hand is touching yo hand and we gon bring this new computa home in this hard times blues tour 2014

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  171. If the Montreal screwjob didn't happen leading to WCW winning the war, who do you think would have formed the invasion force from WWF and thus end up on Wrestlings Mount Rushmore?

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  172. That's almost as good, and you sort of get the Cliff Notes for determining where Punk was deluded, where he was right, and where his blows did the most damage. I do think the Punk podcast will go down as one of the biggest moments of wrestling this year and of this era, as it's basically a condensed version of a tell-all book.

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  173. When it comes to penne pasta, I prefer the ones with ridges as opposed to the smooth ones.

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  174. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessDecember 1, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    I thought it was YOU HAVE FAILED THIS CITY!


    But I could have been wrong...

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  175. This blog has become a unique place. The daily and nightly threads are almost columns unto themselves with the extended conversations in the comments sections. I'm not sure if other places are like that at all.

    But, yeah, I do miss the regular contributions. It's not like anyone gets paid handsomely for their hard work, though. I try to contribute when I can (donations, e-books, etc.)

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  176. I've seen it happen in a few other places, but they tend to be a self-selecting community.

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  177. Taker Was on Raw the next night
    He can drop the title to whoever had MitB after Punk beats him to hell and back. He gets his heat back, title off taker. Everyone is happy.

    (I don't know who had MitB. Maybe they just book him to lose the belt that night through other Tom footer, this was just the first scenario of the top of my head)

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  178. Let's just say that MichaelXavier would be a very happy fella.

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  179. I sometime feel that I'm the only nerd online who prefers Arrow to Flash.

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  180. I tried a root beer once too.


    Didn't care for it.

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  181. Extant1979 - Mr. Cable AccessDecember 1, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    I am fucking exhausted. Once I get some dinner in me, maybe do a load of dishes, I'm hitting the sack.

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  182. Are you a robot?

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  183. I enjoy talking to people that have an interest in things I'm interested in. This seems to be an one stop shop for that which is why I keep coming back.

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  184. And cue the scrotum jokes in...5, 4, 3, 2....

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  185. Remind me to make a new weekly thingy for JohnPetuka so I can get some of dem donations.

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