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Which Shoot Interview Should be Reviewed Next

This week's theme is WCW guys of the 1990's. Here are your four choices:



Chris Kanyon

https://www.rfvideo.com/shootwithchriskanyon.aspx



Disco Inferno

https://www.rfvideo.com/shootwithdiscoinferno.aspx



Scott Norton

https://www.rfvideo.com/shootwithscottnorton.aspx



Ernest Miller

https://www.rfvideo.com/shootwithernestmiller.aspx



Vote by clicking on the link below. Voting ends Saturday at 5pm.

http://vote.pollcode.com/52347531



Comments

  1. I stopped reading the e-mail once that guy implied that Bryan and Punk got no help from management. Yep, they were never EVER booked strong during their rise! Nope, not at all!

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  2. Re: Vince's feeling that it's a generational issue, I think Vince forgets that he is an elderly man. I'm sure I'm not alone in having been brought up to be very courteous to the elderly. I can't imagine confronting a man of Vince's age in the way he feels the talent should approach him. He's fourteen years older than my mother.

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  3. Considering you can still order a PPV if the show interests you enough, then yes, I think it's a very fair measure of success. If Network buys were somehow going up so that you could say interest was being deflected there instead, you'd have a point.

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  4. What...the Ding Dongs never did a shoot?

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  5. You know, "Emperor" would be a great nickname for Roman Reigns. They already call his fans the "Roman Empire". Whoever came up with that honestly deserves a raise.

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  6. I imagine Disco Inferno's entire shoot is about Jericho's wife and kids should really be his because he introduced Jericho to her "out of the kindness of his heart because Jericho seemed lonely" or some dumb shit like that.

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  7. Somebody call my MOMMA!

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  8. I now want Cesaro to ally with Reigns before submarining him at a crucial moment. Et tu, Antonio?

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  9. Theberzerker! HUSS!December 4, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    Your point is correct, but listening to all the undercutting they did to Punk even when he was champion and being booked strong shows that he was expendable the entire time, to a level that Cena and you KNOW Reigns will never be.

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  10. Someday my friend.

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  11. Theberzerker! HUSS!December 4, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    Knowing Vince, he will fight encroaching age tooth and nail the entire time, which is something that the head of a company and the last say on all its dealings should NOT be distracted by.

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  12. The brass ring is shoved firmly up Vince McMahon's ass.

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  13. "The Emperor of the WWE Universe"? yikes.

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  14. Considering that the number of buys would've quite obviously been higher than 20,000 without the existence of the Network, I'd say I have a pretty valid point already. Whether Network subs are going up or not, there's no way to make a credible argument that the Network hasn't cannibalized their PPV business.

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  15. I would assume that's so that you can always see the reaction of the face team since they're facing the hard camera. It's so ingrained that I actually find it really distracting when, in rare instances, the heel team is on the top left.

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  16. Pretty sure he's enjoying it.

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  17. In some ways I understand wanting the WWE "brand" to be as big as possible, but they somehow think this 50/50 booking mid-card era crap is the way to do it. That's like Disney saying "we want the Marvel brand to be strong, so let's make sure Guardians of the Galaxy doesn't make as much money as Captain America b/c we don't want GOTG to get bigger than the brand." They need to realize that the more big stars they have that are over and selling a bunch of T-shirts, the better the brand will be. I also have no problem w/ Reigns being the chosen one as long as (a) If it's clearly not working they're willing to change course and (b) realize they can still make other stars while there focusing on Reigns as the biggest star. What they need are designated jobbers so that we can see guys like Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt win matches decisively and get there finishers over. That way if they do lose a match/feud on a PPV, we've at least seen them win more than they've lost. Heck, Jake Roberts lost most of his feuds, but we still knew he was a "star" b/c he was on Wrestling Superstars every other week DDT'ing some geek in to oblivion and picking up wins.

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  18. They could even hold the next Wrestlemania on the Ides of March.

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  19. They got help, but only after getting their arm twisted.


    Zack Ryder is the REASON WWE has a social media presence obsession at all. Look how they thanked him, but booking him as Cena's dumb crash buddy.

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  20. I dont think it will ever get better. I finally (after many years) stopped watching and only read Andy's reviews. Do u think it will?

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  21. Vince is too tense. He needs to work on his flexibility. Let's get him on down to Atlanta and let DDP work his magic.

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  22. Pat, is that you?

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  23. Dude how do I email u? Id like to ask u some good questions

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  24. I know the corner changes based on championship. I got some mental whiplash the week after The Usos won the belts and they were in the opposite space on the screen than where they had been for months.

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  25. Vince: "The Giant Swing was over, not Cesaro. Anyone could've done that move and gotten over. Titus O'Neil could have that move and be a megastar!"

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  26. According to the poll, Scott Norton

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  27. Scott Norton <3

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  28. Yes, gotta see the hot tag. It also bugs me whenever partners don't hold the tag rope. Dew yur jaaab refs

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  29. I noticed the other night that Miz and Mizdow were positioned in the top left, with Mizdow facing the hard camera. It caught me off guard also, but then realized THEY WANT ME to notice Mizdow!

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  30. Virgil&#39;s Gimmick TableDecember 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    K.

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  31. They were -ish.


    The problem is that they were allowed to only go so high. Once they seemed to get "too high", they were cut down.


    Did anyone want to see the Summer of Punk 2 end with Nash vs HHH? How does that even make sense?


    Vince seems to have forgotten that WWE was bolstered on the backs of giants. Just because some of those giants left (Hogan, Rock) doesn't mean that they shouldn't be shooting to create more.


    Hell, Rock's Hollywood career was the best advertisement for WWE EVER. (Are THESE the kinds of stars that are coming up through wrestling? I've got to see more of that!) Unfortunately, McMahon doesn't see it that way.

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  32. I dunno man, the "Juggernaut" moniker is so synonymous w/ Reigns, I can't even comprehend another nickname for him. I mean, it's hard to even think about Reigns w/ out instinctively thinking of him as Juggernaut. Sure, Emperor makes sense on several different levels, is cool and marketable... but how could it ever catch on when Juggernaut
    was so organically imprinted on our brains? Reigns and Juggernaut just go together perfectly like Erick Rowan & "Big Red" or A New Day & havin' fun!

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  33. I'm so sick of the current version of Cena, as I'm sure most of us are here on the blog. Reigns isn't the guy either, even though they (management) thinks he is. Plus all the 50/50 booking is freaking nonsense. I've basically just been sticking to watching Classic stuff on the Network, and I follow Raw recaps on here. I used to watch every week and could recite all the champions and who they won and lost the titles to, I haven't been able to do that since around 2001 or so now.

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  34. I don't think that WWE will go out of business or anything, but I definitely see a WM1-like situation, where they've driven themselves down to the point that they need to try SOMETHING to stay afloat.


    I don't think they CAN improve until they go private again. They're a creative company that's doing their best not to piss off stockholders. That's not a great impetus for change.

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  35. I was wondering about that.


    Recent PPV buys have been about 50% of what they were "pre-Network". 40,000 is still a horrible number.


    However, I think that, now that there's no commitment, that number may be changed somewhat further (by people who didn't want to commit paying for 6 months, but wanted to stream). So let's say that only 25% of total viewers bought it on PPV.


    That still means that only 80,000 people were interested in the PPV (I'm not talking about financially -- I'm just talking about the number of people who likely would have bought the show if the Network didn't exist)


    That's only about 40% of the average buys from 2012 and 2013 (about 210,000)


    There's no way, even with magic WWE math, to make that number look good.

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  36. People really need to stop using the number to their advantage. 20,000 PPV buys, plus a potential 700,000+ network subscribers had access to Hell in a Cell.

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  37. Crap, didn't see the couple dudes below already point this out.

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  38. See my post in reply to Stranger

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  39. 'Let's give it to BIG, BEEFY ROMAN REIGNS! I LIKE 'EM SWARTHY PAL!!!!'

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  40. Vince McMahon discourages partners clapping to get the crowd behind the babyface. I'm shocked they even bother with a tag rope at all.

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  41. I've pretty much given up. Been watching since 1989, and I think once Taker's streak ended, I was done. I was of the camp that it should end eventually, but that (and then Warrior's death) was pretty much the last connection to my childhood.
    I watched Mania this year, watched the night after Mania, and I watched the night after Summerslam, because of the buzz around Brock's destruction of Cena. But, I haven't watched since.
    I debated watching Mania this year, but I'm not hyped for it. While it's cool to see Sting finally in a WWE ring (watched the Survivor Series clip on youtube), I just really don't care anymore. I'll just stick the DVDs on my shelf.

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  42. I think a better gauge will be how many new subs they get coming out of SS

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  43. This isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is. 175K buys would still be a gross of $10.5M. 700K subs at $10 + 20,000 buys does not get WWE anywhere near that number. And yes, I realize that WWE doesn't get all PPV buy money, but it's still a significant amount that they bring in.

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  44. But how much higher? Do you really think that the Network cannibalized 190,000 buys?

    Given that previous PPVs had their buy numbers shrink by about 50%, I don't think that suddenly the number shrunk 90% for HitC.

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  45. Andy's reviews are one of the worst ways to keep up.

    Comment continued... He stinks.

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  46. Do we really know when a guy is "getting himself over," though? I hear fans say that Cesaro and Bryan, etc., had "no help" from the front office, but who is putting those guys in high-profile positions to get these moves and catchphrases over? Who's producing the t-shirts and nicknames? Who is telling the announcers to put over those same moves and phrases? Not to mention, we don't know who conceived these ideas. Maybe there have been reports specific to Cesaro and Bryan really doing all of this themselves and I just haven't read them, but to say they're getting "no help" just seems inaccurate to me.

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  47. That's the thing unless you can pull off a miracle through sheer will power and the fans not standing for WWE's bullshit, your position in the company is essentially set no matter what you do. If it wasn't Randy Orton would have been fired years ago and Roman Reigns wouldn't be headlining WM31 (in all likelyhood). Vince will always hand pick his man in the long-term over what the fans think, so it frustrates the hell out of me he could even suggest that 'we decide who becomes the guy' when he knows that is a downright BS. If you say a lie enough times eventually you start to believe it.

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  48. This is like saying "is Tom Brady really that good? It's Bob Kraft who provides everything."

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  49. Can't just do number of PPV buys x $60. WWE only gets about 1/2 the money of each domestic buy, plus PPVs are much cheaper internationally.

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  50. If only I had said that.


    Wait, I did.

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  51. So, that's why he walks to the ring like that.

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  52. Triple H won't approve that one... Are Emperor's more powerful than Kings?

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  53. Yeah, it was an out to lunch thing to say and as I've said before, one I wished Austin had pressed him on. I figure Austin knew where the line was, but c'mon, that comment was downright goofy.

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  54. Sorry about the repost, Scott, but I feel it's mandated here:


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    Recent PPV buys have been about 50% of what they were "pre-Network". If they got 20,000 buys for HitC, then the real buy rate of 40,000 is still a horrible number.

    However, I think that now that there's no commitment, that number may be changed somewhat further (by people who didn't want to commit paying for 6 months, but wanted to stream). So let's say that only 25% of total viewers bought it on PPV.

    That still means that only 80,000 people were interested in the PPV (I'm not talking about financially -- I'm just talking about the number of people who likely would have bought the show if the Network didn't exist)

    That's only about 40% of the average buys from 2012 and 2013 (about 210,000)

    There's no way, even with magic WWE math, to make that number look good.

    It's ever WORSE when you talk about financials.

    In previous years, they got $10M from PPV buys. ($50 x 200,000 viewers -- assuming half do HD, half non-HD)

    Now, they're only getting about $8.2M (20,000 x $50 + 720,000 x $10)

    That's a loss of at least $1.8M, which isn't good, since the "small" PPVs were where they're supposed to be MAKING money. (That's the way the network appears to have been set up -- they knew they'd lose money on WM, but would more than make it up on the smaller shows)



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    And why do people keep acting like anyone stating facts is trying to "hate on WWE"?


    Listen, the Network is every single wrestling fan's wet dream. Even if you were a WCW fan (and not a WWE fan), you love the network. However, it seems like it's going to be a failure (which sucks). When combined with a stagnant product, the signs don't look good.



    Just stating that doesn't mean that you're hating on WWE -- it simply means that you aren't burying your head in the sand.

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  55. Comparing Cesaro to Zack Ryder is laughable.

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  56. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    I agree with the loss of revenue. I just believe that the "buy" measuring stick doesn't mean what it used to. It's quite possible that Hell in a Cell surpassed it's 212,000 "buys" that it did last year through Network subs.

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  57. Nobody compared them. Using them as examples =/= making comparisons

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  58. Right, but they aren't getting all of The Network money, either. (Everyone seems to think that they get every bit of that $9.99)


    It's easier, and "close enough" to simply use gross numbers.

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  59. I think it also shows that 700,000-800,000 range is basically what they'll always hover at, meaning everybody that's gonna get the network has gotten it. The people that literally can't get it (UK, non-Rogers Canada, etc...) aren't gonna shell out $60 knowing that a WWE PPV is now only "worth" $9.99. I really wanted to see summer Slam, but since I don't have Rogers (and have no intention of changing cable companies for a product that was supposed to be "over the top" anyway) I didn't order it on principle. I was tempted to watch it by nefarious means, but my buddy does have the network so I was able to watch it free and legal,

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  60. Do you really think that's even a remote possibility, though?


    I'll be interested to see the Survivor Series numbers. If they can't coerce people to sign up for the network FOR FREE, then they are totally screwed.

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  61. Not quite the same. I'm talking about the people who would say Brady has gotten no help from Belichick and Kraft. That's not taking away from Brady's talent, but he hasn't done all of this by himself. You can admit that much, right?

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  62. Higher enough to not be "TNA numbers." That's all I'm saying.

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  63. Yeah, and you still said $10 million when WWE actually makes closer $5 million with that number of buys. No purpose in counting money that the cable companies keep for themselves when discussing WWE's numbers.

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  64. this is tremendous

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  65. Vince wanted to be Ted Turner so much he now models his company after WCW.

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  66. But we don't have a baseline as to what a good post-Network buyrate should be.

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  67. With the current Network system after the free month, calculating true buys is impossible. Unless the Network's numbers really go down.

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  68. Reigns: "I don't get why people have such a hard time understanding Vince. I grab Vince's brass cock ring all the time and he pushes me. Why don't they just do the same thing?"

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  69. I'm curios if Norton can speak in anything but grunts. That's enough for my vote tonight.

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  70. Fine, it's a rough gross. It's still significant. WWE is not making the dump truck full of cash people would like to think. At best, they are breaking even.

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  71. I've kinda wanted to see The Cat, but I doubt he'd really rip into anyone.

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  72. While I hate the length he is actually the best way to keep up IMO cuz he goes through everything by so much detail that u know exactly what happened. But I asked if u think that it will ever get better. Are u a troll?

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  73. I have super high hopes for Kanyon.

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  74. No question. They may have lost more money in in the first 9 months of 2014 thanks to the Network than in any full year in the company's history.
    Vince did say, though, before the Network launched that it was expected. I believe they're not expecting to make a profit again until at least 2016.

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  75. did this guy say ryder was the most over person at one point??? i agree he was over, but not that over, and to see where he is now compared to the other guys he compared makes his fall all that more hilarious.

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  76. I am not a troll.

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  77. Good to know. Keep on

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  78. An exaggeration for sure, but the point was that Zack went for the brass ring, succeeded beyond his wildest dreams and promptly got dumped on by WWE for it.

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  79. Nailed it. Almost all of the wrestlers who are said to be "organically over" (Punk, Bryan, Ambrose, etc.) get a lot of help from the office. Ryder was the exception. It kills some fans to admit that maybe their favourites are succeeding in large part because of their booking, not in spite of it.

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  80. I'd say Ryder was the most over for a cup of coffee in 2011, not that it means much

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  81. Zack Ryder isn't a great example in the sense that for all his popularity he is dogshit in the ring. He was never going to go beyond the level he got to with his ring skills.

    WWE then used Ryder's popularity to get the Cena/Kane feud over. Just like they used super-hot AJ in that "two adults kissing" angle to get Cena over. Just like they booted Punk out of his feud with Johnny Ace so Cena could get the heat. In the end, WWE usually ends up finding how to connect the hot angles to Cena.

    WWE is deathly afraid of making a guy like Austin, Rock or (more recently) Batista or Punk: Guys who get bigger than the brand and decide to head for greener pastures.

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  82. Punk and Big Johnny would have been miles better -


    1. Punk meant what he said and it showed;


    B. He'd have actually let Big Johnny get some heat. Johnny could actually go a bit in his day, so it's not like a match or two would have been a big deal for him.

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  83. Guys with worse ring skills have been pushed farther, including some currently. It's because Ryder's character and popularity had a very short shelf life, and the writers probably had no idea how to seriously push him.

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  84. It's not like that, because sports come on do I really need to explain this?

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  85. More or less, Vince handpicks the next big thing without actually having a finished product ready. His belief that they can get anyone over to Cena levels leads to many talents getting casted away bc he doesn't see money in them. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. This guy is going to get over and we are going to give him every chance to be a megastar. Therefore he gets over. Other guy isn't money. He doesn't get tv time or a chance to prove himself.

    From what I've heard, people in creative have lost their jobs trying to sell some wrestlers too hard to Vince and co. Unless they stumble bassackwards into something (Mizdow) then the people getting TV time are the ones Vince wants pushed.....at least this week.

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  86. Big Flapjack Norton is a man of letters!

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  87. Bears ball, down 17 with 7:15 to go.

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  88. http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/9/29/6868673/vince-mcmahon-criticised-for-micromanaging-the-wwe-product-to-death

    I think this lays it out pretty well. At the end of the day, blame falls on Vince for what we see on TV.

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  89. "That's not a ring, it's his watch"

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  90. 'Ill just have to reach for the brass ring, because you sure as hell won't let me near the gold!' - A Cesaro shoot that'll never happen

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  91. Adam &quot;Colorado&quot; CurryDecember 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM

    Again, Ryder is fucking terrible and needs to be put on the first plane to Orlando. As for Cesaro, paring him with Heyman was a huge fucking mistake, Heyman is the guy that they use to try and get people over that aren't over (Brock doesn't apply here because they have a long history together). Cesaro should have have got the Dolph moment from the year before, though with no briefcase and no second title the best move would have been to put him over Cena, or at least Orton, clean and decisively on the Raw after WM.

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  92. Your last point is 100% dead on. In Vince's mind he makes these guys millionaires and they repay him by breaking his heart.

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  93. I think the point is you have a lot of guys who get put on TV because of their skills and the fact that they have something... indefinable; and the moment WWE puts them on TV, instead of showcasing them for who they are, WWE tries to force a committee created/Vince approved character upon them. The real person will shine through and that's what's generally meant by "getting themselves over", and WWE tries to squash it because it's not part of their vision. So sure, they are being "helped" by being put on TV, but it doesn't necessarily help them, and is often mistaken for a "push" when that's simply not the case.

    A great example of that right now is Adam Rose. Here's a guy on TV every week of late, but he's not being given anything to show off who he is or what he can do, and in no way in hell is he being pushed. He's merely being utilized, and when they are tired of having the bunny hump him he'll be gone.

    An example of a guy getting himself over is Damien Sandow. He took what is a pretty silly gimmick and got it over. Sadly, though, its a gimmick with a short shelf life, and when it runs its course you'll have a guy who might be over enough to be himself, but WWE will try to give him another gimmick, because they'll feel it was a gimmick that got him over and that he's nothing without one. So again, you'll have a guy all over TV, not really being pushed but utilized. And if you're asking "what's the difference," the difference is usually measured in things like merchandise sales, and whether people are willing to pay to see him, not just if they enjoy seeing him for free on TV.

    Not every guy is gonna be John Cena, or be worthy of headlining a PPV, but the guys in the midcard at least deserve a chance; and every time WWE cuts the knees off a guy of who got over the "wrong" way, or when they humiliate them for ice packs or ill-advised interview comments... all they're doing is screwing over that guy, the fans, and themselves.

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  94. To all of the Ryder haters......for the millionth time, nobody is suggesting that this guy should've been immediately pushed to headline Wrestlemania 28. Should his popularity have been utilized to make him a solid midcard face? ABSOLUTELY. There was no reason not to. The guy had gone out of his way to 'grab the brass ring,' so to speak, so why not reward that initiative with a steady role on the show? You can't argue poor ringwork as an excuse; lord knows WWE has pushed a lot of guys who are much worse wrestlers than Ryder. Hell, since Ryder will spend two-thirds of the match selling a heel's attack anyway, he doesn't even need to be a Bryan/Punk-level back-and-forth wrestler.


    The "nobody can be bigger than the brand since they might leave" mentality is so dumb. Vince is afraid of building someone up as The Main Guy and watching them leave, so why not build up Several Main Guys and build your depth? If you have 12-15 wrestlers who are realistic options to headline a PPV, then one of those guys leaving (or getting injured, or needing time off to film The Marine VIII, whatever) isn't a big deal.


    Ironically, of course, we're in the era where Cena is absolutely The Main Guy moreso than at any point in the company's history since probably the days of Bruno. Even in the 80's you had Andre, Savage, Steamboat and other very popular faces to headline the so-called "B-shows" while Hogan worked the A-shows, and in the Attitude Era, you had Rock and Foley as major faces supporting Austin. If this role in the new Apatow movie actually ends up opening some doors for Cena in Hollywood, I would heartily laugh if he left WWE high and dry, the company would deserve it.

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  95. What I don't understand is why they are afraid of that their stars getting bigger than the company and then leaving?

    If one thing is for sure in wrestling, that if there is a free "top star" place, someone will take it. If there isn't then the old stars will stay there forever until it's too late.

    If Hogan and Savage and Flair and Warrior had stayed back in the early 90s, do you think that Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels would have become the new stars? Would there have been an Austin 3:16 if there would have been a Hogan in the WWF?

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  96. You're right, but I think it's a case of Vince feeling burned out over all the main event guys that have left him in the past and he's probably doing this so he doesn't get spurned again.

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  97. About how if only Cena had turned heel during the WCW Invasion in Montreal then that could have turned business around?

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  98. Little bit of a threadjack here, I just saw the whole UFC uniform issue, and I'm wondering if this affects whether Brock will resign with WWE or go back to the UFC. Because, apparently now, individual fighters can't have different endorsement deals anymore and only get 20 percent of their uniform sales. So, the question is, would Brock make more with UFC or WWE, and is that even a main issue with Brock, or does he see getting his 'legitimacy' back in UFC as his main priority?

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  99. There is this weird thing with Vince where he seems to be hoarding guys--like he's afraid to let anyone go, lest they go work for some mythical competitor that no longer exists. Yet he will fire someone like Punk because the guy hurt his feelings; or shit-canning Del Rio over something that could have been soothed over by putting two guys in a room together and telling them to apologize and shake hands. Obviously he takes things personal, and rewards loyalty (Mark Henry, Big Show & Kane are still on TV in 2014?!) but it's sad that a guy who supposedly knows more about wrestling than anyone living has forgotten the simple truth: that fans get tired of the same guys after awhile. He seemed to know this quite well for twenty years, yet somehow has forgotten it in the last ten.

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  100. Vince: "Does DDPYoga help control your sneezes?"

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  101. I stay out of all Zack Ryder debates because... I honestly don't remember seeing a single match of his. I mean I'm sure I have, but I don't remember any of them. He's the guy with the headband, right?

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  102. Ryder's US title win was over Ziggler was a fun match and a great start to what should've been his introduction to the midcard in WWE. No one was asking for World Champion Zack Ryder.

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  103. I think Brock made an extroadinary amount per fight in UFC, far above the payroll that UFC makes public. I think if he wanted to go back it would definitely be worth his while financially, no matter what effect the uniform deal has overall. I also don't think that he would neccessarily get the same deal from WWE next time he got this time. Business just hasn't moved enough to make it worth it for WWE. But who knows what Brock's ever thinking? He's a funny guy.

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  104. He should be happy! Turn WWE into a star making factory. It'll attract more people to begin with. Having former WWE Superstar The Rock be the number 1 guy in Hollywood does nothing to hurt WWE, it only makes them look better in my eyes.

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  105. 20,000 buys? Eeehh that seems a bit disingenuous. Up to 700,000 fans watched it without having to buy the PPV. Foreign buys will have plummetted to close to zero as the Network rolls out across the world and those 20,000 buys may literally just have been the United Kingdom, which is probably just a slightly below average than normal number.

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  106. Ah okay no, there were 21,000 domestic and 56,000 international buys. So 78,000 worldwide. It's lower than previous, but still no way to judge it definitively. We may as well ignore domestic PPV buys.

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