Friday, March 6, 2015

Bam Bam for HOF?


Hey Scott,

A break from all the Roman Reigns stuff: Is there anything preventing Bam Bam Bigelow from being posthumously inducted into the hall of fame? He definitely passes the Koko B Ware test, so why not throw him in? Especially considering how his in ring career was finished off by saving children from a freaking fire, wouldn't that be a nice feel good moment for a ceremony?

Cheers!

I think that on a professional level, Bigelow would totally qualify for the WWE Hall of Fame, no question.  That being said, he kind of burned bridges on the way out in 95 and if he's not on the "no no" list for the Hall, I'm pretty sure he's at least on the "No one is probably going to bring him up" list.  i just don't see it, sorry.  




295 comments:

  1. I'm pretty sure the "he burned bridges" argument is going by the wayside more and more for every Madusa and Ultimate Warrior that is inducted, though.

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  2. I'm reminded of the most recent Mark Remark where he makes fun of Cole for misusing the term '-gate' but this would be the one instant where 'DeMottgate' would be appropriate.

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  3. They cant induct too many dead guys. Sad but true. Its not a real HoF, just a gimmick to wring money out of marks. Need people to give speeches.

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  4. That being said, he kind of burned bridges on the way out in 95



    You mean like soon to be Hall of Famer Madusa did, in the same year?

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  5. If the WWE HOF was prestigious I don't see how BBB would qualify on a professional level as he only stayed with the WWF a short while and didn't achieve much during that time. I only see him getting in as a guy that passes the Koko B Ware test.

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  6. Also on the subject of saving children from a fire, I don't think that's ever been publicy acknowledged by either the WWE and WCW. WCW not acknowledging it was dumb because everyone was apathetic to the the company at that point and this would have been the positive attention that WCW could have used, but being WCW, of course they didn't.

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  7. He had 2 stints in WWF for a total of about 5 years and he was in a WM Main Event. I don't see what other criteria is needed.

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  8. If there were a "no no list" Madusa would be number one with a cherry on top.

    Clearly...there isn't.

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  9. What I dont get is why Koko isnt up to people standards for the HOF? The man was over for his entire career. Wrestling is so different than "real" sports. It takes two to tango and Koko's job in the WWF was to put over talent and he did it the best. Plus in the territory days he held a number of championships

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  10. racist piece of shit

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  11. Internet snottiness?

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  12. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieMarch 6, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    There will be Demott chants at the raw after WM

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  13. Does Demolition pass the "Bushwacker test"?

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  14. I'd say Dolph has taken over the role as most talented jobber.

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  15. Barry Horowitz & Barry Hardy pass the Bushwacker test. FACT!

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  16. Since this is the WWE HOF where there is no set criteria except for politics and willingness to accept, I still don't think Koko is anywhere near a HOF wrestler.

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  17. That guy was a douchebag. Good riddance.

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  18. Ax sued the WWF so it's probably a no-go :(

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  19. Barry Horowitz should go in god dammit! Brooklyn Brawler too! Throw in Stevie Richards!

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  20. Medusa's not dead. So she can get off the list. Bam Bam, not so much. Sucks, but true. If we had waited another year, Warrior might have never gotten in.

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  21. He was a headliner in Memphis, too, right?

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  22. Its a wrestling HOF, Bockwinkle and Verne Gagne never worked for WWF

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  23. What success has he had outside of the WWF? I think his biggest accomplishment was being IWGP tag champion. BBB just seems like one of those guys that had all the potential in the world to be one of the greats, but never really happened.

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  24. Shasta Whatley just be inducted just because of the hat.

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  25. He was a big star in ECW. And he's one of those recognizable wrestler types, who non-fans would know as being a pro-wrestler. Idk, I love Bam Bam and if stupid Rikishi can get in, so should Bigelow!

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  26. Yeah yeah.. it's not so much a Hall of Fame as a Hall of guy we've had a good relationship with at some point who are willing to appear, unless dead whereupon a surrogate will appear, with bonus points for being able to tie in some kind of merchandise. If the NFL had this kind of Hall of Fame, instead of Mean Joe Greene and Dick Butkus, we'd have Erik Kramer and Joey Harrington. Not that I'm bitter.

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  27. How did he burn his bridges? I don't think I've ever heard that story.

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  28. He's appeared in video games as a legend as recently as this year which puts him in the realm of possibility for sure.

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  29. Demoltion, Rude, Bundy

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  30. That's just not right. It'd be more like Reggie Bush getting in; a guy with name recognition and popularity but no factual basis to back it up. And the Pro Football HOF already has a guy like that in: Joe Namath. If he didn't have the nickname/media appeal and guarantee a Super Bowl win, no way he gets in.

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  31. You do realize Madusa is going in this year right? And she didn't draw a dime.

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  32. I have zero problem with Koko being in. Like you said, it's not like real sports. Wrestling needs jobbers, JTTS, midcarders, upper midcarders, tag teams, and main eventers for it to work.

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  33. I just want to know how fucking Hugh G Rection got so high up the development food chain to begin with.

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  34. Lots of Viagra?

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  35. He died with cocaine in his system and wasn't beloved as much as Curt Hennig. And unlike Hennig, Bigelow left on bad terms. With no way to reconcile them due to Bammer's death, no titles to his name, no big accomplishments, and no long-term period of success (for him or the company), I don't see why he'd ever go in.

    I loved watching him, but that's too many strikes for him to be a viable candidate.

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  36. When I was training for my field I had a lot of fucked up stuff happen including being called gay by a teacher / trainer. I sucked it up and kept my mouth shut and I'm a better man for it. Having thick skin is a an asset in any business. The white knighting for this NXT loser is just sad.

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  37. Yeah, but as others have noted, Madusa is still alive and able to mend fences. Bigelow died on bad terms and on a lot of drugs.

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  38. Are we forgetting that Bam Bam headlined a WrestleMania? "Headlining the worst WrestleMania ever" is still a hell of a lot more than a lot of guys have done, many of whom are already in.

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  39. Yeah, but there's no more real bridge burning anymore. He'll get in eventually in a year where the other inductees are living.

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  40. I met DeMott in 1995 or 96 at a gym in Florida when I was about 8 years old. He was a class act, I felt like I was in the presence of a legit star. Hate to see him go out like this.

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  41. Your teacher/trainer fucking sucked if they had to resort to that.

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  42. Yeah he was a dick but I didn't feel the need to write some pretentious letter, I'm a grown man not some snitch.

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  43. Still waiting on Bischoff and the nWo to get in.

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  44. No, you're weak.

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  45. I strongly disagree, snitching is a big no no where I come from.

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  46. That's awful. I'm sorry you had to go through with that. That's not okay and should not be tolerated.

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  47. No, Stan Ford is right. Snitching is a big no no?


    Should Bill DeMott's abuse be allowed to go on unchallenged?

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  48. pitchman for The Wiz brah. Nobody beats The Wiz

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  49. I agree with you White Thunder. Snitching on someone for calling you names is a 6 year old move.

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  50. I don't really consider macho jock stuff to be abuse.

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  51. Did you read about some of the stuff he did? It was abusive.

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  52. Why? I'm not so pussy who cries every time someone says something I don't like. In any field you have to put up with shit you don't like. Such is life.

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  53. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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  54. DeMott had a history of abuse and what he was doing was not okay. And neither is bullying.

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  55. Those who can't teach, teach gym

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  56. Everyone in the history of pro wrestling ever has been through this, in fact likely worse in most cases. I can only imagine the beating taken in places like the Hart basement or the NJPW Dojo. Lita prostituted herself for training. Foley slept in his car. Wrestling is a business for tough guys, and frankly I don't want to be a fan if it isn't. Do you think Terry Funk would write a letter to human resources?

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  57. So? Just because people did fucked up things before doesn't mean someone doing fucked up things now is okay.


    There's a difference between suck it up and all the numerous allegations DeMott has been accused of.

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  58. WWHD - What Would Harley Do?

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  59. DURR TOUGH GUY WE WORKED THROUGH CONCUSSIONS DURRR


    (Yes, I ripped off Drew Magary there)

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  60. Also pro wrestling is an incredibly sleazy business with an unreal high mortality rate. So maybe we shouldn't be doing things like they've always been done?

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  61. And wrestler's are all emotionally stable, well-adjusted individuals.

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  62. Being nice to an eight year-old is not something you should be commended for, it's something that should be expected from any human being.

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  63. How does being called a faggot make you a better wrestler that will draw more money?


    Seriously. How does any of this stuff lead to the end result, making money for the company?


    Wrestlers are performers, nobody considers musical education to be incomplete if you aren't called a faggot repeatedly and your teacher tells you to go kill yourself.


    Did you watch Whiplash and think the good guy was JK Simmons?

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  64. Against a celebrity. And it wasn't a Tyson/Austin situation where both guys were draws. WWE simply needed a fall guy for LT. Miz headlined a Wrestlemania and I wouldn't say anything he's done warrants induction.

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  65. He shot on Razor Ramon during a house show.

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  66. Buffalo HopscotchMarch 6, 2015 at 9:06 PM

    Sounds like it might be one of those "You can resign quietly, and maybe we'll bring you back when the heat dies down. If you make it difficult for us you'll be publically fired and never return" type deals.

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  67. Then we should fire R Lee Emory and all the drill sargants too - right?

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  68. How bad could his departure have been? Others have left under far worse circumstances, right? If anyone knows something I don't, I'm all ears.

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  69. Was any of that documented in Titan Sinking by any chance? I don't recall that story either.

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  70. What is Hugh Morrus doing in the impact zone?

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  71. Virgil's Gimmick TableMarch 6, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    And where would that be? Cell block B?

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  72. Bummer if that turns out to be the case. I loved Bammer and wish he would have gotten a longer run in the company. Hell of a big man worker.

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  73. Interesting topic. If there were a No No List, who do you think would be on it? Only ones I can think of are Benoit and Ole Anderson.

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  74. Yeah, in fact there have been drastic reforms in army training to eliminate what you're describing.

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  75. Rabble, rabble, rabble.

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  76. I would have said Luger but with Madusa getting in, maybe not. I think he may go in next year with Stinger.

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  77. Exactly - it's not like he ever sued them or killed his girlfriend or anything.

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  78. I used to treat this Hall of Fame seriously, but outside of Savage, this HOF class is RIDICULOUS.

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  79. My big thing for Koko's inclusion is he was the face of the Piledriver album, which was a pretty big deal in the 80s. You can't indcut an album, but you can induct Koko.

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  80. Ole really only because he'd tell them to piss up a rope and he dared tell everyone Flair wrestled the same match for years. A serious Hall would have had him going in as a Horseman rather than Windham. That was Ric's call.

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  81. It's a shame you can't go there and boo everyone

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  82. Bigelow was awesome, and did some good stuff in his life. He should absolutely be in.

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  83. Maybe the next time they're in Atlanta for Mania.

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  84. I think Ole being on the list had more to do with him calling Linda a see you next Tuesday.

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  85. The fact that Scott Hall went in as Razor and Madusa goes in as Alundra Blayze is awfully telling. First of all, those are porn names. Second of all, Vince really thinks these are characters. Soon enough Who will get in but not the Anvil.

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  86. Knowing Hall at the time he probably deserved it.

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  87. But, at least Rikishi drew some money, and The Bushwackers were over for a long time. Medusa was neither of those things.

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  88. Moreso than the Bushwhackers?

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  89. Buffalo HopscotchMarch 6, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    Wasn't that their excuse for inducting Hall as Razor and Nash as Diesel? Then they go in as Scott Hall and Kevin Nash when the nWo gets inducted as a group.


    ...AND THEN VIRGIL'S MAGNIFICENCE WILL FINIALLY BE RECOGNIZED!

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  90. Hopefully during Reigns' big corronation promo.

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  91. That reminds of guys who bitch about not getting laid even though "I'm a nice guy!"

    You're supposed to be a nice person, especially to someone you're trying to sleep with.

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  92. DeMott's job is to train these guys and get the best out of them. Not demorilaze them to the point they quit. There's a big difference between being necessarily tough on someone's bad performance and being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole, and DeMott crossed that line.

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  93. Bam Bam, okay. But what about VADER? He should totally get in.

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  94. You mean like she was over in Japan? Or in WCW? Or in the WWF?

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  95. Being dead hurts his chance too. They rarely like to put in more than one dead guy per year

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  96. Everyone keeps blowing the title thing out of proportion. Vince cares less about it than most people on the Internet seem
    To

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  97. Luger is on very good terms with WWE these days

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  98. I'd say Miz comfortably passes the Koko B. Ware/Bushwhackers threshold.

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  99. Are you South Park-ing me?

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  100. That story makes no sense. Bam Bam had turned face long before leaving the company. I don't recall some big nasty blow-up, just that Bam Bam felt lied to (he was told he'd be pushed on the level of DIesel & Shawn in exchange for putting over LT) and wanted out.

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  101. It's like people who want respect for not being an alcoholic or not breaking the law, good job, you're fulfilling your basic duties as a human.

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  102. I'm most interested in how DeMott got to the levels he did in WWE, why they defend him, why they give a shit about him at all.

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  103. She was so over in the WWF no one cared she left with the belt.


    She was so over in WCW she spent two years off TV and no one noticed.


    Medusa sucked.

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  104. Snitches get stitches.

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  105. I don't approve of Bill Demott. But I would definitely approve of "Hugh G. Rection" chants to screw with Roman Reigns.

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  106. Yeah. I never cared anyway, but the HOF it's quickly turning into 'any midcarder that Vince didn't hate'.

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  107. Do you remember how that worked out in Full Metal Jacket?


    Oh yeah, murder-suicide.

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  108. Medusa was the only woman in WCW when they decided to crown a woman's champion, and they gave the belt to someone else.

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  109. It's like asking for props because you follow the law, pay taxes and don't beat your wife.


    Good job on fulfilling the basic requirements of citizenship.

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  110. It sounded somewhat promising with the rumors of Ray Stevens and Larry Zbyszko.

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  111. That's no laughing matter!

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  112. Good riddance. I'm just echoing what many others have said--but why the hell have Hugh Morrus as your head trainer? It's not like WWE has had a ton of success with guys who started out in developmental (rather than the indies) in the past few years. So I wonder how effective Hugh actually was at his job.

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  113. The biggest problem w/ WWE developmental is that I sincerely doubt WWE's hand picked trainers are teaching these guys how to not get screwed by promoters.

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  114. He's sleeping with the boss's daughter... wait no that was some other guy.


    Sleeping with the boss's...son?

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  115. You're just showing your ignorance. She was a big part of WCW's heel scene in the early 90s and then had the terrific feud with Paul E. and that iconic segment where she finally goes off on him.


    Numerous runs in Japan, especially that All Japan Run. And she got over as Alundra Blayze too.


    Also has one of the most iconic moments in the Monday Night War.

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  116. She also was a member of Savage's stable in the 1999 and she has impressive accomplishments outside of wrestling too.

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  117. In what way exactly did being called a fag by this teacher while you backed down make you a better man? You learned how to not stand up for yourself?

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  118. I believe Matt Bloom is the interim head trainer now.

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  119. It's 2015, not 1975. If you're basing your moral standards on how previous generations acted, then you're fucked in the head.

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  120. I know having my coach resort to racial slurs and forcing people to work injured brings nothing but respect from me. In no way does it expose his insecurities and inability to do his job.


    Say what you will about snitches or whatever. At the end of the day it's not like DeMott gained anything but scorn for doing those things. Nor did it make any of the wrestlers work better matches.

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  121. I know it may sound stupid, but given Matt's tenure in the WWE/F, the number of people he's worked with and his long stay in the company, that may not be a bad thing.

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  122. Especially when Stevens bread and butter was the San Francisco Bay area, from what I understand. But, it's ok Ray we'll put you in when we're in Phoenix or Detroit again.

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  123. Do Bob Orton and Koko B. Ware scream Hall of Fame? It's always been more nostalgia based than anything. There's another board I post at where a guy was arguing for Lanny Poffo based on that he was basically a solid hand and "deserved some recognition."

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  124. He did Snake Eater 3 with Lorenzo Lamas.

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  125. Horrible Idea #2344:


    DeMott hits the indie circuit with a Chinese emperor gimmick called La Fing.

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  126. You don't have to put up with shit. Any boss who insulted me would get told to Fuck themselves, any customer who insulted me would be asked to leave. If somebody wants to Fuck you in the arse, you only bend over if you want to be Fucked in the arse.

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  127. Any wrestling historian will tell you that the Miz has not come within a million miles of the Bushwhackers/Sheep Herders' careers.

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  128. That last line killed me.

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  129. Come on, you're better than this.

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  130. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 6, 2015 at 11:14 PM

    Pretty sure he died well before WM 27.

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  131. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 6, 2015 at 11:17 PM

    Hadn't WCW already gone under by then?

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  132. Eight year olds dude....

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  133. You're just showing you're ignorance. You're way overstating all off her accomplishments. Big part off the Dangerous Alliance

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  134. That iconic moment where she killed women's wrestling for three years.

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  135. *FINALLY*. Know so many people that got into wrestling in the late 80s because of Piledriver. That's the main reason he is in there over lots of others, IMO. And deservedly so.

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  136. She did not kill women's wrestling for three years and to even imply that is pure stupidity . It was already explained to you why she was let go and the financial crunch the WWF was in at the time.

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  137. I can't wait to see her inducted in the "Impressive Accomplishments Outside of Wrestling" Hall of Fame.

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  138. Sure.


    She was good at drawing them heat, especially when paired with Rude. I remember as a kid HATING her and I know I was not alone. Especially how she would mess with Sting.


    The feud with Paul E. where she finally stood up to him and his sexism.


    It gave the Dangerous Alliance that extra edge. They were the group that got the girl too

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  139. You'll be sure to show up and boo her for that too since you can't seem to get over an incident that occurred 19 years ago

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  140. Yeah, and JK Simmons at least was supposed to be a good conductor (though I didn't like any of the music in Whiplash). If DeMott worked from the ground up to establish fundamentals in guys, who did he get? All of the NXT hopefuls are guys who maybe got polished up by WWE, but certainly didn't learn the meat and potatoes stuff that Bill's teaching.


    He's not only an asshole, he's an asshole who isn't producing results.

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  141. If she were this great icon you said she was, then WWF would have found a way to make money with her. Or, WCW would have.

    Bottom line, she dropped the belt in the trash and it took Sable's immense popularity for the women to matter. Divas aren't a big deal today because of Medusa, they're a bug deal in spite of her.

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  142. And you'll be there to induct her, since she's apparently the best thing ever in wrestling.

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  143. Her hooters were impressive too

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  144. You can say the divas thing all you want, but to say the divas are a big deal in spite of Madusa is simply not true.


    The women mattered in a different way when Sable was the champ than what they tried with Blayze.

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  145. Hey look, more hyperbole!

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  146. I don't think its stupid because its "Albert", BUT I've never seen any comments in any shoot interview where another wrestler credits Bloom with helping them or teaching them anything. Whereas someone like Regal; loads of wrestlers go out of their way to credit him (especially those who've left the WWE and have no reason to suck up to him). So he seems very much unproven as a trainer to me.

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  147. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tlgl_paul-e-dangerously-fires-madusa-fro_sport



    Oh man this is so good

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  148. It's still real to me dammit.

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  149. Ah yes. "That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger." Like frat hazings!

    They should have waited until he killed someone first.

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  150. Harley would headbutt you into unconsciousness just for asking.

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  151. But, in his defense, Life on Mars was pretty awesome.

    The BBC version, I mean.

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  152. Dude. 9 was the worst WM. 11 was shit, but the Bam Bam/LT match saved it.


    OK, THAT should be why he gets in. "Saving WM11 from being the worst WM of all time" is a HOF accomplishment.

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  153. NAMATH doesn't deserve to be in the hall? Gimme your keys, you're not driving in your condition.

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  154. 2015 is easily the weakest HOF class since they started it. It's literally just Savage and Arnold + a slew of forgotten midcarders.


    As questionable as it was for Koko to be inducted, that 2009 class also had Steve Austin, Ricky Steamboat, the Funks, the Von Erichs, and Bill Watts.


    I think Bam Bam is deserving when you consider his full body of work. He had a unique look that people still remember + main evented WM. That's more than you can say for over half of the people they've got in there already.

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  155. OK, then, put Bammer in the ECW Hall of Fame.


    That should actually be a thing, even if ECW's been dead for years. Bam Bam, Shane Douglas, RVD, Dreamer, Raven, the Dudleys (just Bubba and D-von, not the whole clan)......should they induct the arena? ECW isn't ECW without that firetrap they called home.

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  156. Valid point. If Warrior and Sammartino can get in, there's no bridge that can't be un-burned. Bammer being dead doesn't help that happen quicker, granted....

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  157. Anyone that headlines a Wrestlemania should be inducted.. especially if you can main event in a non-title match.

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  158. Led the NFL in INTs 4 times, TDs only once, has 47 more career INTs than TDs, completed 50.1% of his passes.

    And the era isn't an excuse. Namath debuted in 1965; 8 other HOF QBs had their rookie year between 1955 and 1970: Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Sonny Jugensen, Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Fran Tarkenton, Roger Staubach, and Terry Bradshaw.

    Of that group, only Unitas (2), Jurgensen (2), and Bradshaw (1) ever led the league in INTs. Everyone but Starr matched or surpassed the number of times Namath led the league in TDs. *None* of them had more career INTs than TDs and the lowest completion % is Bradshaw's 51.9%.

    Namath doesn't compare favorably to any of his HOF contemporaries or the previous generation. Hell, there are only 6 other QBs in the HOF with more INTs than TDs and all of them started playing 15-20 years before Namath. Many of them were inducted *by* 1965.

    Joe Namath was Archie Manning with a better personality and media presence.

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  159. They have two headliners in Savage (Who people have been complaining about not being in for years) & Nash.
    A former star who a few years ago would have been unthinkable that they were inducted in Alundra Blayze
    An over Attitude Era superstar with ties to the present roster in Rikishi
    And a legit celebrity in Arnold (despite having next to nothing to do with Wrestling)

    With the exception of Bushwackers, this is a strong class.

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  160. He'll be back. If Vince can re-hire Pa Patterson after multiple allegations of sexual harassment, then DeMott can come back too.

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  161. Against a fucking football player no less.

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  162. I doubt we'll see Chris Benoit get inducted even in he did headline Wrestlemania.

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  163. Yeah I think that's unlikely.

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  164. His goatee will, anyway

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  165. Larry would stall until the next years induction.

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  166. Well, the minimum is 'didn't murder anyone'. So that rules out most japanese and puerto rican guys.

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  167. Yeah but once you start inducting plastic surgeons you just lose all credibility.

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  168. That doesn't even rule out 100% of instances. Jimmy Snuka managed to get in afterall.

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  169. Of all the pre-Hulkmania guys yet to be inducted, Ray Stevens was a very weak possibility, if he wasn't a friend of Patterson he wouldn't have had a shot of induction.

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  170. Bushwackers: several years on the indies, short run in NWA and long run in WWF (featuring 0 good matches) They didn't win any major titles or take part in any major storylines.

    Miz: Went from Tough Enough rookie to Wrestlemania main event, Triple crown winner, 6x tag title winner, several great matches and numerous top feuds.

    Unless you are either 1) a Miz hater or 2) a WWE generally hater, you cannot seriously claim that Miz's career was lesser than Bushwackers.

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  171. Excellent point, Shelton.

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  172. The Smith joke was pretty funny tho.

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  173. This reminds me so much of why I HATE Bill Watts. Just imagine a 1993 where a returning Flair is reforming the horseman to feud with the dangerous alliance and stuck in the middle is Arn Anderson.

    Before Hogan, before the NWO, they had multiple opportunities to make money.

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  174. They aren't exactly as bad as they are portrayed in the movies. Of course I can only speak for the airforce AKA the chairforce

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  175. Exactly. And speaking or Emory, robbed of an oscar nod or what?

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  176. Defending your rights is a no, no? You get that managers can't treat you like dirt right, and when they do you have HR?

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  177. Lanny Poffo constantly buries Bam Bam Bigelow in his shoot interviews, as a "piece of shit" amongst other insults. I wonder what the heat was between them?

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  178. But Patterson was actually great at his job. I can't see any positives for bringing back DeMott.

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  179. Crush was a piece of shit to me when I was 8 at a WWF house show. "I don't do autographs, get the fuck away from me kid!" And that was right at the beginning of his big babyface push.

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  180. He headlined riding the coat tails of Lawrence Taylor.

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  181. I don't think I've ever heard a good word about him.

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  182. Why not Angle?

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  183. Vader isn't in? That's a HUGE omission.

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  184. The Bible says persecution and death will follow those thst trust in Jesus Christ - But he who loves his life will lose it, but those who give up their lives for His sake will have eternal life with Christ Jesus our Lord. If someone slaps you on the cheek, offer the other cheek also. If someone forces you to go one mile, go ahead and walk two.

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  185. And everybody knows that was more of a result of the entire platoon attacking the kid and hazing him in his sleep. As overweight and clumsy as I am - the same crap would have happened to me and I would have done my best to have taken it like a man. And I've been bullied in my life - especially in 1987-88 when the movie came out.

    Not saying DeMott shouldn't have been fired. I'm just saying one day we will all be captured by the enemy when the United states is captured and we won't be able to cry or complain.

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  186. Heyman will bring and probably has brought him up. He was a huge part of his early career in wrestling.

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  187. I agree. Not a bad lineup at all.

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  188. Damn, how could I forget that one.

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  189. I actually think they over stacked some past classes, no way it was sustainable

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  190. Good lord. Fuck that guy then.

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  191. He's a tough guy. Vince loves tough guys. See also JBL.

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