The DeMott thing is funny considering he was one of the good-cop trainer on the original TE run. I remember him sobbing after the loss of a friend and gave an impassioned speech to the trainees on how to embrace life et al. Presumably he left out the part on not to be a homophobe who thinks he's Sgt Gunnary Hartman
I like to think that behind the scenes, there's a Malcolm Tucker figure who just sat down Bill and told him the facts:
"Now, you listen up here, you greasy Garbage Pail Kid-looking fire-hydrant shaped fuck! You're gonna resign voluntarily, and you're gonna do it now before I voluntarily rip your little bollocks off and sprinkle them in your beard like tiny dingleberries!"
Yeah if he's making guys like Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens do 1,000 Hindu squats or whatever to prove how much they love the business, he's beyond worthless.
""As someone who has been bullied my entire childhood and even more so now as an adult, I stand behind those who do something about it.
At a training seminar, where students paid $100 a person to be in the ring & learn, I witnessed DeMott call a Middle Eastern trainee "Aladdin", "terrorist", and "fat f-ck" multiple times. During a bump drill that was nowhere near safe for a green trainee to be doing, he just embarrassed and humiliated him. When anyone else did the drill correctly, he'd turn to this guy and just bash him. When I did the drill, he said "Look, even the girl can bump better than the terrorist!". This continued to the end of the session where he told everyone good job, except this guy, and told him to "f-cking quit and go back to building bombs." It was completely uncalled for and made everyone uncomfortable.
This guy spent his hard earned money to learn from someone, to get better only to be told to quit and have all these names and insults thrown at him. I have been, and continue to be bullied and I cannot just keep quiet when the world is finally trying to do something about it. To fix it. To save lives.
Even with me, he screamed at me from across the venue asking why I was not in the seminar. I arrived 30 min before it was scheduled to end and at the time did not have the funds. He continued to yell from across the venue at me as if I had done something wrong but I got in there for the last bit and did it without warming up, without stretching, just so I wouldn't continue to be shouted at for no reason at all. It's just sad that this is what people have come to. That's all I have to say. This was all like 5-6 years ago, before I had ever stepped foot in a ring to wrestle. It was a long time ago, but some things never change."
I wonder how much of the last few days was spent deciding what to do with DeMott and how to go forward. I would assume they waited until they had a new head trainer to "accept his resignation."
I love that excuse too of I deny the allegations, but I'll resign to save the company from embarrassment. You'd better believe that if I was being accused of shit like that and I really didn't do it, they would have to fire my ass because I would fight that until my last breath.
I don't think that's necessarily true. there are several movies that have breathtaking camera shots - which you therefore obviously "notice". but it's in a "holy s***, this looks amazing!"-sense.
I don't think that's the same thing. Marveling over a panoramic shot is like marveling over Neville's Red Arrow. But if you're immediately thinking, "great decision to pan the camera like that", then the movie's doing it wrong.
Having grown up watching WWF in the early 80s, backlund was way over with the fans. Looking back now, I never understood because his promos are awful, but I guess the love was for his in ring ability
I thought Superstar's commentary work on SummerSlam 88 is horrible and almost makes the event something I can't even watch. How many times did he talk about how someone needed to workout our how big they were? Second worst PPV commentating behind the obvious (KOTR 94) and of course the stuff in the modern era which is just all bad.
Bob was before my time but I watched his matches and enjoyed them. He a legit wrestler who had a different type of appeal. After the cartoon character era he couldn't get over to that extent so he had to be the crazy old man.
I think no one knows who could trigger a "boom period". I am sure most people wouldn't have figured that "Rocky Maivia" might actually become not only one of the most popular wrestlers ever but also a legitimate Hollywood star.
and while Austin or Foley were considered good workers, I seriously doubt that most people would have believed the former to become as big as Hulk Hogan.
while Reigns isn't as "hot" as he should be considering his spot on the biggest show of the year, the claim that he's got "zero fan connection" is simply not true.
I think Bryan would have printed money if they gave him a true Austin push. Kids LOVE Daniel Bryan. I think that is lost in the smark love for Bryan....his success was due to the Cena kid fans falling for the dude.
He would have been a mega-mainstream star because he is so geniune in interviews. People just like him. He has that same charisma as Foley where he appeals to non-fans on the talk show circuit because he doesnt come across as a stereotype.
He was miles beyond Punk, who only appealed to the older fans. Bryan appealed to everyone.
I preferred him as the crazy old man. I just can't take his matches -- with his overexcited wiggles, Howdy Doody looks and atomic drops galore -- that seriously. I've tried. I like a Patterson cage match I saw. There are a few others, too. I just think Superstar was miles ahead of him in star power.
I have to second what bignasty96 and others have said below: Had they given him the true "Austin" level push as THE guy, and not under-cut him at every...FUCKING...turn, Daniel Bryan absolutely could have triggered the next boom period. He was their last, best shot at it, after they lost Punk, shit on Ziggler to the point of no-return, and systematically sabotaged Ambrose just so he didn't overshadow Roman the Chosen.
Possibly, but the difference there is that, at least back then, Vince listened to someone besides the voices in his head (and the brown-nosers who do nothing but agree with the voices in his head)
Now if Cena comes to Vince and says "I want to feud with Bryan and put him over" Vince is like "Oh, so you want to beat him?" "No, I want to lose the feud. Help make Bryan into a star." "How can you lose if you kick his ass every match?" "I don't want to kick his... ah, never mind." *walks away, shaking his head*
I like Bryan (and think he could have carried the co for a while for sure) but I could never see him being the dude to usher in the next boom period. And even then I'd still put him *way* above Punk, Ziggler, Ambrose and Reigns in terms of company carrying.
Right now there just isn't an Austin/Rock level guy, and I'd argue, an Austin/Rock level foil with a unique dynamic (part of the Vince/Austin boom period was that there was a conflict there that really *spoke* to people...not sure who Bryan's opposite would be.)
I just wouldn't put "vegan food" in the same category as those other things in terms of popularity. I'm not a vegan, but if it works for people, good for them. I only have one friend who's vegan, but he's a good friend.
And if you want to get technical, actually, personal preference is all "cool" and "hip" is; it's style not substance. Reasonable people can certainly disagree on what's hip.
The problem is that the cost of mediocrity is not death for the WWE. As long as they can pull 2.0's in the ratings, they are always going to get a nice contract from USA network. That rating comes from diehard wrestling fans, so their protection is to keep any competitors from coming into their space.
The only way that the WWE dies is if someone comes around to take some of the wrestlers and also take some of that 2.0 away. Once that happens, the business model breaks and the either adapt or die. That is the point where we will either get the next Stone Cold or a crazy idea that puts them out of business.
Point. I forgot that Mark Henry 1996 was a FAR cry from Mark Henry today, in the same way that I think we'll be saying Roman Reigns 2020 is a far cry from Roman Reigns 2015.
I find it hard to doom a supremely over talent as "never able to be an austin level superstar" if he never gets an "austin level push". No way to prove either way, but it's silly to say definitively if theres no chance given.
Good riddance you worthless toolbox.
ReplyDeleteNo one really does that if they are innocent. Sounds like something else was going to surface?
ReplyDeleteI don't find this situation humorous but it was only a matter of time before he crashed and got his contract terminated.
ReplyDeleteAnd nothing of value was lost.
ReplyDeleteI had no problem with him being a hardass but the fact of the matter is most of the WWE trained guys suck the meat missile.
ReplyDeleteSo no tears over seeing him walk the plank here.
Dear Bill,
ReplyDeleteGet a prescription to cialis or kill yourself, either will probably solve this problem.
Sincerely,
Society
Be cool, guys. Someone losing their job is no laughing matter.
ReplyDeleteA lot of smarks are getting Hugh G Rections to this
ReplyDeleteHe's gone from Misfits in Action to Misfits Inaction.
ReplyDeleteHim walking away saves WWE from firing him, which would be them admitting they fucked up their so-called investigation
ReplyDeleteWell............bye.
ReplyDeleteAny news on the Doctor/C M Punk case? Because I got a feeling DeMott is just a scapegoat.
ReplyDeleteHe made the NXT mode on 2K15 unbearable.
ReplyDeleteYou think that was unbearable, try working under him for real, faggot!
ReplyDeleteOr better yet - accept Christ as your Lord and Savior and let Him do a good work in You.
ReplyDeleteSincerely,
FG3
A follower of Jesus Christ
"Good to know he still denies it."
ReplyDeleteWhy would he admit it, ever? That would open him up, more than likely, to a lot of legal crap he doesn't want to deal with.
Riches in heaven trump earthly riches.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a lie if you believe it enough. I'm
ReplyDeleteThank you, Doug. I've been saying this for a week now.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I was talking about myself...
That has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone was talking about.
ReplyDeleteSweet. I'll be happy to take all of your earthly riches off your hands.
ReplyDeleteThe DeMott thing is funny considering he was one of the good-cop trainer on the original TE run. I remember him sobbing after the loss of a friend and gave an impassioned speech to the trainees on how to embrace life et al. Presumably he left out the part on not to be a homophobe who thinks he's Sgt Gunnary Hartman
ReplyDeleteI assume he means that a clear conscience is worth the financial hit. Were I Bill or a Christian I'd apologize in good old confidential Confession.
ReplyDeleteDeny, deny, deny. It works for Cosby!
ReplyDeleteAnd for Cosby's attorneys.
ReplyDeleteI like to think that behind the scenes, there's a Malcolm Tucker figure who just sat down Bill and told him the facts:
ReplyDelete"Now, you listen up here, you greasy Garbage Pail Kid-looking fire-hydrant shaped fuck! You're gonna resign voluntarily, and you're gonna do it now before I voluntarily rip your little bollocks off and sprinkle them in your beard like tiny dingleberries!"
Yeah, it would be fitting for Paige to get to do the honors.
ReplyDeleteCatholics are the only ones with formal confession, aren't they?
ReplyDeleteRumor is, finding out DeMott got fired game some NXT trainees a huge erection.
ReplyDeleteFine, I'll do it...
ReplyDeleteI find it a bit humorous.
Yeah if he's making guys like Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens do 1,000 Hindu squats or whatever to prove how much they love the business, he's beyond worthless.
ReplyDeleteLooks like this was the story that did DeMott in:
ReplyDelete""As someone who has been bullied my entire childhood and even more so now as an adult, I stand behind those who do something about it.
At a training seminar, where students paid $100 a person to be in the ring & learn, I witnessed DeMott call a Middle Eastern trainee "Aladdin", "terrorist", and "fat f-ck" multiple times. During a bump drill that was nowhere near safe for a green trainee to be doing, he just embarrassed and humiliated him. When anyone else did the drill correctly, he'd turn to this guy and just bash him. When I did the drill, he said "Look, even the girl can bump better than the terrorist!". This continued to the end of the session where he told everyone good job, except this guy, and told him to "f-cking quit and go back to building bombs." It was completely uncalled for and made everyone uncomfortable.
This guy spent his hard earned money to learn from someone, to get better only to be told to quit and have all these names and insults thrown at him. I have been, and continue to be bullied and I cannot just keep quiet when the world is finally trying to do something about it. To fix it. To save lives.
Even with me, he screamed at me from across the venue asking why I was not in the seminar. I arrived 30 min before it was scheduled to end and at the time did not have the funds. He continued to yell from across the venue at me as if I had done something wrong but I got in there for the last bit and did it without warming up, without stretching, just so I wouldn't continue to be shouted at for no reason at all. It's just sad that this is what people have come to. That's all I have to say. This was all like 5-6 years ago, before I had ever stepped foot in a ring to wrestle. It was a long time ago, but some things never change."
"Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen."
ReplyDelete"What does that even mean?"
I don't know why, but all this makes me want to re-watch Scent of a Woman.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why either
ReplyDeleteOr even Mis-fit Inaction.
ReplyDeleteJury by internet I see.
ReplyDeleteBill Demott can suck a whole bag of dicks.
ReplyDeleteIf I had to lay odds, this was Bayley. She's been really open about being bullied as a kid and the timeline matches.
ReplyDeleteDeNiro is great in that film
ReplyDeleteHe's fantastic in My Cousin Vinnie, too!
ReplyDeleteI would bully that ass of Bayley's
ReplyDeleteToo bad, he seemed like such a nice guy.
ReplyDeleteWho wouldn't? I mean other than a group of people Bill DeMott likes to mock.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how much of the last few days was spent deciding what to do with DeMott and how to go forward. I would assume they waited until they had a new head trainer to "accept his resignation."
ReplyDeleteI never understand why she always looks so sad. I wouldn't mind trying to cheer her up.
ReplyDeleteHe went down even quicker than he did in Goldberg's first match
ReplyDeleteAs an Italian, I find this thread offensive. As a member of a community of snarky bastards, I approve. It's tough being this conflicted.
ReplyDeleteTo my knowledge.
ReplyDeleteOr WWE may be feeling some pressure, and they gave him a choice of voluntarily leaving his position or them removing him.
ReplyDeleteI love that excuse too of I deny the allegations, but I'll resign to save the company from embarrassment. You'd better believe that if I was being accused of shit like that and I really didn't do it, they would have to fire my ass because I would fight that until my last breath.
ReplyDeletesounds like a lying azz punk
ReplyDeleteAs an Irishman, it is my solemn duty to mention that the Godfather was played by one of us.
ReplyDeleteBrando was Irish? Interesting.
ReplyDeletenah he was american indian
ReplyDeleteScrew DeMott for making me kickout at 2.9. Jerk. I'm glad his career is over.
ReplyDeleteI've never seen this Steiner promo before, and it's amazing:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVOLkYxEdnY&feature=youtu.be
with three hours of Raw to fill each week, I don't think they care about "wasting airtime" at all.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's necessarily true. there are several movies that have breathtaking camera shots - which you therefore obviously "notice". but it's in a "holy s***, this looks amazing!"-sense.
ReplyDeleteyes, there are even LESS (potential) reasons to boo Lesnar than to boo Punk.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's the same thing. Marveling over a panoramic shot is like marveling over Neville's Red Arrow. But if you're immediately thinking, "great decision to pan the camera like that", then the movie's doing it wrong.
ReplyDeleteHaving grown up watching WWF in the early 80s, backlund was way over with the fans. Looking back now, I never understood because his promos are awful, but I guess the love was for his in ring ability
ReplyDeleteI thought Superstar's commentary work on SummerSlam 88 is horrible and almost makes the event something I can't even watch. How many times did he talk about how someone needed to workout our how big they were? Second worst PPV commentating behind the obvious (KOTR 94) and of course the stuff in the modern era which is just all bad.
ReplyDeleteyou not liking it doesn't it make it less "cool" (or "hip" or whatever).
ReplyDelete2 places where I think Vince Sr. missed the boat on
ReplyDelete1) turning graham face
2) saying no to an angle with Andy Kaufman
Bob was before my time but I watched his matches and enjoyed them. He a legit wrestler who had a different type of appeal. After the cartoon character era he couldn't get over to that extent so he had to be the crazy old man.
ReplyDeleteI think no one knows who could trigger a "boom period". I am sure most people wouldn't have figured that "Rocky Maivia" might actually become not only one of the most popular wrestlers ever but also a legitimate Hollywood star.
ReplyDeleteand while Austin or Foley were considered good workers, I seriously doubt that most people would have believed the former to become as big as Hulk Hogan.
while Reigns isn't as "hot" as he should be considering his spot on the biggest show of the year, the claim that he's got "zero fan connection" is simply not true.
ReplyDeleteThat conversation was pretty much what happened until Bret Hart said he wanted to work with Austin.
ReplyDeletewhich would be a crying shame because I think he really has a lot of "superstar potential".
ReplyDeleteFair enough. Let's just say he doesn't have a "main event" connection to the fans.
ReplyDeleteIf he was lower-midcard for the next few years, working his way up the card (if he was deemed worth it), I don't see anyone having a problem.
which is also why they went with Hart instead of Luger (unless the latter really turns into the next Hogan popularity-wise).
ReplyDeleteI think Bryan would have printed money if they gave him a true Austin push. Kids LOVE Daniel Bryan. I think that is lost in the smark love for Bryan....his success was due to the Cena kid fans falling for the dude.
ReplyDeleteHe would have been a mega-mainstream star because he is so geniune in interviews. People just like him. He has that same charisma as Foley where he appeals to non-fans on the talk show circuit because he doesnt come across as a stereotype.
ReplyDeleteHe was miles beyond Punk, who only appealed to the older fans. Bryan appealed to everyone.
Where were you in 2005?
ReplyDeleteHe absolutely could have been the new Mick Foley. Austin? No. Rock? Nah. Cena? Probably not. But there was (and still is) a niche for him to fill.
ReplyDeleteI preferred him as the crazy old man. I just can't take his matches -- with his overexcited wiggles, Howdy Doody looks and atomic drops galore -- that seriously. I've tried. I like a Patterson cage match I saw. There are a few others, too. I just think Superstar was miles ahead of him in star power.
ReplyDeleteI have to second what bignasty96 and others have said below: Had they given him the true "Austin" level push as THE guy, and not under-cut him at every...FUCKING...turn, Daniel Bryan absolutely could have triggered the next boom period. He was their last, best shot at it, after they lost Punk, shit on Ziggler to the point of no-return, and systematically sabotaged Ambrose just so he didn't overshadow Roman the Chosen.
ReplyDeletePossibly, but the difference there is that, at least back then, Vince listened to someone besides the voices in his head (and the brown-nosers who do nothing but agree with the voices in his head)
ReplyDeleteNow if Cena comes to Vince and says "I want to feud with Bryan and put him over"
Vince is like "Oh, so you want to beat him?"
"No, I want to lose the feud. Help make Bryan into a star."
"How can you lose if you kick his ass every match?"
"I don't want to kick his... ah, never mind." *walks away, shaking his head*
I like Bryan (and think he could have carried the co for a while for sure) but I could never see him being the dude to usher in the next boom period. And even then I'd still put him *way* above Punk, Ziggler, Ambrose and Reigns in terms of company carrying.
ReplyDeleteRight now there just isn't an Austin/Rock level guy, and I'd argue, an Austin/Rock level foil with a unique dynamic (part of the Vince/Austin boom period was that there was a conflict there that really *spoke* to people...not sure who Bryan's opposite would be.)
Hmm...maybe Bryan/Reigns? As rivals?
I just wouldn't put "vegan food" in the same category as those other things in terms of popularity. I'm not a vegan, but if it works for people, good for them. I only have one friend who's vegan, but he's a good friend.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you want to get technical, actually, personal preference is all "cool" and "hip" is; it's style not substance. Reasonable people can certainly disagree on what's hip.
The problem is that the cost of mediocrity is not death for the WWE. As long as they can pull 2.0's in the ratings, they are always going to get a nice contract from USA network. That rating comes from diehard wrestling fans, so their protection is to keep any competitors from coming into their space.
ReplyDeleteThe only way that the WWE dies is if someone comes around to take some of the wrestlers and also take some of that 2.0 away. Once that happens, the business model breaks and the either adapt or die. That is the point where we will either get the next Stone Cold or a crazy idea that puts them out of business.
Point. I forgot that Mark Henry 1996 was a FAR cry from Mark Henry today, in the same way that I think we'll be saying Roman Reigns 2020 is a far cry from Roman Reigns 2015.
ReplyDeleteI think that yes thing is even bigger than Cena and Batista and Orton combined.
ReplyDeleteWas Cena that over? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0ttEbPycDs
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't there first show outside of FL. They ran an event in Valdosta, GA, shortly after Generico signed.
ReplyDeleteI find it hard to doom a supremely over talent as "never able to be an austin level superstar" if he never gets an "austin level push". No way to prove either way, but it's silly to say definitively if theres no chance given.
ReplyDeleteIt could have been Ambrose (Austin) vs Rollins (Rock).
ReplyDeleteOr if you turn Reigns heel, it could be like with The Rock at the Survivor Series 98.
He was also BRUTAL as an announcer.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think you're high. Its OK, we're both entitled to our opinions.
ReplyDeleteTo keep the analogy accurate, we may be comparing Roman in 2030...who knows where he'll be business-wise by then?!
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