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Flair/Sting '91 Q for the BoD

Regarding Flair winning the title back from Sting in January 1991 at the Meadowlands in NJ, why at this time and why at this show? It was during a horrible snowstorm and the arena was half (if not mostly) empty according to most reports. Why not put the match and the change on TV, like at the first Clash of the year? That was the random Flair/Scott Steiner match, and we know now that the rumors of Flair wanting to give Scott the title aren't true at all...so why that random, half-empty show?

I can see if it was their first time there maybe, and the snow ruined what was supposed to be a big show, but they couldn't call an audible on that one?

Yeah, that was a weird one.  You'd think that they would have just put the belt on Flair at Starrcade if they wanted to go that direction.  And it's not like they went back to Jersey anytime soon, so it wasn't to build for big return business there or anything.  You got me.  

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  1. YankeesHoganTripleHFanMarch 26, 2015 at 8:30 AM

    I always figured it was that they panicked after Starrcade and just wanted to get the title back on Flair as soon as possible.

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  2. Maybe it was payment for Flair having to be the Black Scorpion. I'm guessing it wasn't a last second decision to do it at the Meadowlands, because they had cameras taping the match, which Jim Ross later laid audio over.

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  3. Because...


    ... WCW.

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  4. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 26, 2015 at 8:41 AM

    But what did they tape it for? I don't recall it being show on TV ever, and they didn't do the whole Coliseum video deal with random stuff from tapings. Why go through all that when they could have just put it on the Clash and popped a rating for it.

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  5. In January 1991 having "half empty" arenas was a big step up for WCW.

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  6. The American InsomniacMarch 26, 2015 at 8:41 AM

    I would have been at that match, but the snowstorm was so bad that I felt my car would have died en route, so i declined. I think they expected a big crowd and felt it would be a high-profile show being in the New York area, so they went with it there. And they might have felt that doing a switch on TV live of PPV would hurt Stg, even with the feet-on-the-ropes finish.

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  7. I think there are two reasons:


    1. It was, in part, payment for Flair having to be The Black Scorpion. They told him they'd give him the belt back for taking part in that monstrosity of an angle.


    2. That doesn't answer why the Meadowlands, though. The reason why when and where I believe had to do with WCW wanting to make inroads in the New York market. I remember this house show being promoted heavily on WCW programming in the 2-3 weeks between Starrcade and this event. They even had a "football match" between Lex Luger and The Big Cat where Lawrence Taylor was in Luger's corner. Of course, with so many things during Jim Herd's tenure, making inroads in NY bombed (although WCW did make it back to the Meadowlands a couple of times in 1991).

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  8. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 26, 2015 at 8:43 AM

    This makes sense. The next PPV had the WarGames match so they couldn't do it there, so I guess this was the only real option given what you said.

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  9. It was because Sting refused to job to the Black Scorpion at Starrcade, and for good reason. He understood the reasons why they felt the need to go back to Flair, but he asked to at least go over the Scorpion so they could bury that disaster.

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  10. No, the decision was made before then.

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  11. Uneducated guess would have to be similar to Bret Hart beating Flair for the title and the house show in Canada. Sting had run his course as champion - so they just quickly threw it back on Flair.

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  12. I saw it on TV, during one of their Worldwide shows (or one of those Saturday shows).

    Here's the link of it being part of one of their shows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dGtW31X83s

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  13. Whoever asked Sting to do a job at the biggest show of the year to the Black Scorpion should have been fired on the spot.

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  14. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 26, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    Well fuck me then!

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  15. I believe they were, right? Ole was fired for that debacle.

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  16. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 26, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    Yup, it was the last straw...for a while anyway.

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  17. anyone know what the original payoff was supposed to be with the Black Scorpion?

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  18. I am surprised it took this many comments for this to be said.

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  19. Ultimate Warrior, if I remember correctly.

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  20. Nobody knew. Anyone who says they had an original endgame (Ultimate Warrior or whatever) is wrong.

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  21. The initial clues could be interpreted as leaning toward that way but there was that pesky matter of his contract.

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  22. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 26, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Yeah, they literally booked this feud in the hopes that they would figure something out by the end of it, which is exactly the type of dumbass shit WCW did on a daily basis. Sting is the dumbest man in the history of wrestling purely for agreeing to go along with this angle from the start. As soon as Ole said "We don't have anyone just yet, but..." I would have immediately turned and left.

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  23. "Ween" Dean AndrewsMarch 26, 2015 at 9:03 AM

    They had previously had talks with him though, in I think 1989. I think they thought that they could reach a deal.

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  24. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 26, 2015 at 9:04 AM

    Dat Turner money, yo.

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  25. "Dat Turner money" may as well have not existed until they managed to land Hogan and business went up.

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  26. You might be thinking of the verbal agreement they struck with Roddy Piper before Vince got wind and topped it.

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  27. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 26, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    That's about the only part timer match match that would interest me.

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  28. I'm not QUITE done bitching about this years main event yet, I'm totally not ready to start bitching about next years

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  29. How is it a clash?


    Also, it would be AWESOME.


    Elect me, see that match.


    #HOSS2016

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  30. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©March 26, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    And he would probably be the only part timer that could still go.

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  31. Buffalo HopscotchMarch 26, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    I still can't forgive TNA from pulling Angle from working indies when PWG had Angle VS Bryan booked for a show.

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  32. ... and they're always dumb, because the pain required to cause a person to pass out would cripple or kill them. We're not talking about a sleeper or a nerve hold--those knock someone out, but not because of pain. Pain is used by your body as a defense mechanism to spur you into action, to attempt to remove yourself from what is causing you the pain. It *prevents* you from losing consciousness. If you overload your pain receptors to the point of unconsciousness... well as I keep saying, it's because your body is being damaged to the point of serious injury or death. Specifically for the Accolade, the amount of pain you'd have to receive to pass out would mean a broken neck or back.

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  33. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 26, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Which is why I want NOTHING to do with any match involving any combination of Rock, Austin, Hogan, or HHH. Or Sting and or Taker.

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  34. Sure some of those you could assume and draw your own conclusions but I think it's different today. Now guys like Rock who don't even wrestle are rumored.

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  35. AverageJoeEverymanMarch 26, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    couldn't even get a man's thong eh?

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  36. AverageJoeEverymanMarch 26, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    I still mistake her for a 13 year old

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  37. I LIKE the idea of planning that stuff out well in advance. That gives you an end point to work towards through the year, which should theoretically make everything make more sense.

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  38. AverageJoeEverymanMarch 26, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    call it a Muicide. Or a Moo-icide if any bovine were involved.

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  39. Maybe clash isn't the right word, they have the same style.

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  40. I guess this would be similar to a phantom change and thinking it would protect Sting. Wasn't Al Perez going to be the guy they went with if Flair turned it down?

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  41. Originally there was no thong or a nude thong, but due to licensing issues with the theatre, we had to cover me up a little, so we negotiated a womans frilly thong. Sometimes you gotta go for the cheap laugh.

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  42. AverageJoeEverymanMarch 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Smart has shown potential (and also some hotheadedness which I was worried about).

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  43. AverageJoeEverymanMarch 26, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Does "Wacky Sax" play at any time during this production?

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  44. Rock / Cena did great business with the year build in respect to Mania itself and related merchandising. It did hinder creative regarding Cena to an extent though.

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  45. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 26, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    At least he's honored his retirement.

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  46. Keep promoting that freedom of expression, WWE (anti-Reigns signs confiscated):

    http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-news-anti-reigns-sign-confiscated-latest-talk-is-jericho-more/

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  47. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©March 26, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    I know, that match would have been fantastic.

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  48. Supposedly, they're actually looking at Brock vs. either Rock (first choice), Cena or Taker for WM32.

    I have no interest in any of those matches.

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  49. "Fucked up" is a start

    F that guy

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  50. I vote Bray and Sheamus. Both could have some very fun brawls with Brock since they are built to take the punishment.

    Bryan has to happen eventually as well.

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  51. I see a lot of people advocating for Cena to be Undertaker's retirement opponent. Not sure I agree. While it probably is the last megastar dream match there is, to me it just feels random, with no credible storyline to back it up.

    For years every Undertaker match has been about The Streak. They would throw in stuff to make it personal: like Shawn Michaels costing Taker his World Championship to build up 26, or CM Punk stealing the urn and disrespecting Paul Bearer's memory to hype 29... but they always started off as guys going after The Streak. Well there is no more Streak. So you get like this year with Bray Wyatt randomly challenging him, in a match nobody really cares about.

    What would be the issue to sell the match? Undertaker says it'll be his last and that he's suddenly decided he needs to beat Cena? That Cena is having another of his "I need to do this" moments by suddenly deciding he has to beat the Undertaker? Why would *any* babyface want to be the one sending the Undertaker riding off into the sunset with a loss? How do you sell his final match as an emotional moment if you also turn him heel to explain why he'd want to beat Cena? I'm not saying it's a bad idea or even a bad match, I just don't think you can really draw the fans into it emotionally. Theoretically you'd be asking the fans to boo Cena--and yes there are many who already do, but to even ask those fans he really does have to do it too?

    Would make much more sense to find a heel and make the match personal. A simple angle where the Undertaker announces he's hanging up his boots, and/or someone comes along and challenges him--brags that they'll be the guy who did the one thing that means anything now that The Streak is gone: ended the Undertaker's career.

    If you're just going to pick a dream match opponent then I'd pick Sting. At least that's a legit dream match more than 20 years in the making. It might not be as technically sound as if it were Cena in there, but then again it's not as if anyone is expecting any kind of 5 star classic anyways. Undertaker is well past the time he should have quit, so this match should just be about story & emotion anyways.

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  52. So does Jerry Lawler... intentionally

    (he likes to play fantasy)

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  53. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©March 26, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    WWE: We Let Our Fans Do What They Want, Except When We Don't.

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  54. It was an awesome match, though

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  55. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©March 26, 2015 at 9:30 AM

    If Taker was still undefeated, Cena vs Taker would have been money.

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  56. Tell Bayley to call me

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  57. I would think your assface would be more of a concern

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  58. No although I do a Benny Hill style salute during the title drop in tribute to him.

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  59. omg u r so british bloody hell

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  60. and of course at 1:20 who shows up in the video? Vlad!

    I mark out every time I see him now.

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  61. Ziggler/Bryan and Rollins/Reigns are more intriguing feuds than anything on the Mania card.

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  62. One of the costume suggestions was for me to run round in a pair of Union Jack Boxers, which I vetoed because it's been done to death.

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  63. Welcome to the Corporate Era.

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  64. Rollins has become the next big superstar, he has had an amazing year.

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  65. That I'll grant you. I think it would have done huge business, even if I had no personal interest in it.

    Who do you book to win, though, if you're Vince?

    I'm pretty sure that's why they never did it.

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  66. Almost by stealth too. He has occasionally been forgotten by creative, but has had by far the most consistent booking of the ex-Shield members, or really anyone on the main roster. In two years time they have a mega-face on their hands who is up there as one of the best workers in the world.

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  67. Clash would have made sense instead of Flair sabotaging Scott Steiner in a terrible match.

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  68. Ole made up the Black Scorpion to shut up Jim Herd and it just kept going.

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  69. He got a raise. Hahahahaha.

    Because he has driven such high ratings and subscriptions with his non-appearances, he deserves it!

    Unbelievable. Vince really is just trying to kill off his business entirely before he dies isn't he.

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  70. If you're having trouble appraising the WrestleMania 32 rumors, remember right after WrestleMania XXX the plans were reportedly for WrestleMania 31 were "Lesnar vs. The Rock or Cesaro and Roman Reigns vs. Triple H."

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  71. You know how more often than not, the Snickers commercials are pretty good?

    Here's "not" courtesy of Roman Reigns:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAeepKLHuF8

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  72. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 26, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    Too bad the Snickers didn't turn him into Ric Flair.

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  73. Brock/Cesaro and Reigns/HHH would have been really nice

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  74. Hi. I'm John Cena. I've done everything there is to do in the WWE. *Gong* Except beat me. Feud.

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  75. MARV

    I checked the rest of yesterday's daily and say that I sent you down the rabbit hole

    Ain't that shit creepy?!

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  76. They prefer their spokespeople keep their pants on

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  77. Fucking SIX HOURS later I was finally able to crawl out thanks to NXT

    I'm fascinated, considering buying a shortwave to see if I can listen in on some of those wavelengths from Seattle

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  78. More importantly, how did you figure out how all those posters were the same?

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  79. Punk/Austin vs Undertaker/Wyatt FTW

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  80. I'm not saying that people don't want to see...I'm saying that it's never gonna happen.

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  81. Shit scares me, dude

    The Varmint one. The one from Russia where every few months a live person reads some codes. The little girl one

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  82. Punk/Austin/Ambrose vs Undertaker/Wyatt/Exploding TV.

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  83. He upvotes himself regularly, will post to defend his own posts, and in another thread a few days ago he posted the same thing on two different accounts, basically verifying he was both.

    Also, because I'm Marv damnit.

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  84. The Russian one is particularly horrifying because they moved it, meaning whatever it's for it's still providing some sort of use to somebody

    Yeah that one is by far the most fascinating to me

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  85. If he loses the belt why would he come back for any reason other than to get his belt back? That's the corner they paint themself in by taking the belt off him. Whoever they put the belt on has to be expecting a Lesnar revenge beating at some point--regardless of whether they have that belt still or not. And if they just bring Brock back shrugging off the loss you kind of diminish his mystique as The Beast Incarnate.

    I suppose they might have Reigns beat him clean, then have Lesnar man up, admit he lost and shake Roman's hand... that's fine for Reigns, gives him the rub, passes the torch, whatever... but then what about Brock? How do they give him his heat back?

    Makes more sense to me to keep the belt on Brock, continue turning him face by booking him heel opponents, then you can have a heel cheat to get the belt off him, so that when Brock comes back it's for revenge and not necessarily to get the belt. You just have the heel lose the belt to someone else in the interim.

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  86. That's hilarious. Hopefully it means he goes away. I don't get why he'd randomly post about his second job at Radio Shack to keep the gimmick up.

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  87. Phil's fantasy booking for Brock's year ahead.


    First. If Bray wins, They could have a Brock Bray feud which might be interesting for a month or two.
    Second. Personally, I'd love a Bubba Ray Feud (With the Bully Persona) ending at SummerSlam with Dudley's retirement for the second feud. There could be some good bits with Heyman in the build to that and the ECW connection could come through. Plus the SummerSlam is in Brooklyn so the crowd might get into it.
    Third. Orton, Rollins, or Sheamus, or if they were smart, That's where you bring in the part timers. For the slow months. Not the month everyone is going to be paying attention to anyway.
    Fourth and Final. Keep the IC title on DBry and build to the ultimate challenge at Mania 32.

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  88. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 26, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    Cena needs to go on a quest to do everything he hasn't done before: (King of the Ring, IC Championship). Then once Wrestlemania season hits he can challenge Taker.

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  89. The radio shack thing started randomly when we were all talking about the close down

    The law school thing started with the Dr. Whatever lawsuit against CM Punk, he decided pretending to be a lawyer would be a good troll

    I don't understand why Stranger or Bayless put up with it, one single IP ban gets rid of SIX trolls from the blog, seems like a no-brainer

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  90. So it was underskill, fake Dougie and who else?

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  91. I don't want to see The Rock, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, or any other old guy who is only there to increase the buyrate to offset WWE's shitty ass booking and creation of money-drawing stars. Do your job better, Vince, and you don't need to rely on broken down, retired stars.

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  92. Hey Marv:

    http://www.numbers-stations.com/

    :)

    I read about one where you can hear people in the background. Might have been the Russian one, but whichever one it was, they mentioned it in trying to decide whether the sound was electronically generated or some sort of device set next to the mic

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  93. All the broken cables, the abandoned building, the weird people like the dude who rode a bike into the forest

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  94. Underskill, fake Dougie, fake Vince Jordan, fake Dock Muraco, a poster called Suck My Dick and a poster called Gail The Snail

    All the same lonely fuck, literally talking to himself on the internet

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  95. Well, that's certainly an ego boost.

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  96. Yeah WHAT THE FUCK, it helps that I'm congenitally scared of Russia but man, take a whacky Russian voice, throw some static on top and have him read random numbers out into the night? I'm fucking terrified lol

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  97. I saw Best_In_The_World upvoting those posts too, and also posted on the same conversation

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  98. I saw that when I got home last night but was too late to comment. That was really crazy

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  99. I've got a doctors appointment to go to right now, but trust me, I have every intention of diving right back into this when I get back

    Unsolvable mysteries are my favorite waste of time ever

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  100. Mr. Clean, tell me... is that really you?

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  101. Whoa, everybody knows UT is from Death Valley. Kayfabe...broken!

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  102. Oh, you're getting that rash checked out, good for you!

    Make sure you check about that crack in your ass

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  103. I assume he's another account as well but don't have any evidence of such. It would make sense given that he doesn't nothing but positive trolling.

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  104. My cough is so bad I'm basically certain I have lung cancer.

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  105. Nah, just the asbestos sandwiches you've been eating

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  106. ... and we're supposed to cheer that?

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  107. That sounds like a much, much better show. I wonder if we can still get that somehow.

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  108. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76


    This one?

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  109. Looks like it's $16.00 for American Airlines wifi. I was excited about that, but then I realized I'm going to wanna watch Netlfix on my ipad and then bullshit on the BoD on my cell at the same time. #FirstWorldProblems

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  110. I wonder what you've done... to become, so... thick and dumb.

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  111. What's this I missed?

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  112. Unrelated to the topic, but I used to LOVE Unsolved Mysteries, even though the theme song always used to creep me the hell out.

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  113. I see what you're saying, but I do definitely think you're over-thinking it - this is a show/business where people can't stop running after having their arm tugged.

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  114. Yeah, see I get why CENA would care, but not why anyone else would.

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  115. So... the Undertaker just happened to be hanging out backstage, hears Cena bragging, is annoyed enough to go out there and set him straight, putting his career on the line as well?

    If they announce it is or could be Undertaker's last match, they are then asking us to cheer Cena beating him in his last match--or boo him after he does so.

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  116. Perez was going to be the guy, but WCW felt most fans wouldn't know who he is

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  117. You know what else was creepy? When you got "UPDATE"

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  118. True but that is totally what we are getting. I'm guessing HBK/Bryan Rock/Brock Austin/HHH and we will have to see what they do with Taker.

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  119. Taker steals Cena's tiny towel to polish the Urn....bam their is your feud

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  120. Remember: it's Undertaker's LAST match. We as fans are supposed to be okay with Cena beating him? You can get fans interested in the match, but not wholly emotionally vested. It's face vs. face and you're theoretically going to disappoint half the crowd with whoever wins.

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  121. That's an interesting question. What's more weird: having an ass for a face or chocolate fondue for a head.

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  122. The idea was to build to a huge grudge match at Starrcade. The problem, well, one of many, was they didn't have anybody to be the Black Scorpion at Starrcade.

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  123. Eh, I don't think it'll be against Brock but I wouldn't be shocked in Shawn came back for next year's Mania. I think if he doesn't come back for that, he won't come back for anything... but I feel like HHH and Vince can get him to come back for that if they want him bad enough.

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  124. As dopey as that sounds, it's legitimately a better motivation than either guy just randomly challenging the other.

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  125. Airlines charge for wifi? Insane.

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  126. I love all those weird radio frequencies and all those crazy stories unexplained stuff. I hate buzzfeed but I love this story.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/wikipedia-makes-it-impossible-to-sleep?bffb&utm_term=4ldqpgp&s=mobile

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  127. I flew on United and they charged me for in-flight wifi but you couldn't watch Netflix or Hulu, only the United in-flight version of Netflix and Hulu. It sucked, but I just watched Godfather 1 & 2.

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  128. Up til about September the rumor was Vince wanted Rock/Lesnar, Batista/Lesnar, or Rock Batista, while HHH wanted Reigns/Lesnar. Whether Vince legit jumped on the Reigns train, or because Rock & Batista both got busy with movies... ?

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  129. When I flew to Boston with Aer Lingus, they just had
    their own in flight entertainment service, but it was pretty good. We watched
    Lego Movie, Dark Knight Rises and loads of episodes of Sunny.

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  130. Had my review on Tuesday... keynotes being...


    1. Be less arrogant.
    2. Take time to breathe.

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  131. ...I hate you

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  132. Every day of WCW was the dying days if WCW.

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  133. It sucked because on the way there we had seat mounted TVs with DirectTV and in flight movies for like $8, wifi included. But on the flight back they only had wifi, didn't have any AC, and because of a fire at the Chicago air traffic control we had to fly south from Vegas, east to the coast line, and then north up to Jersey.

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  134. Sorry, I hope you didn't have any plans today.

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  135. Eeesh. $8 for a movie. I'd preload a tablet with downloaded stuff

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  136. Have you heard about these things called "books"? They make them from ground-up trees, and they don't take batteries or require a data plan. You can pause them and insert bookmarks. They're fairly cheap, you can buy them almost everywhere, and even borrow one for free from a library. They're pretty neat.

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  137. When I see you, I'm gonna kick your ass...face

    Or punch you in the face... ass

    Or something!

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  138. Well FWIW DirectTV was included, so there were like 150 channels plus music channels. The inflight movies were Bears, which was awesome, and the Other Woman which I watched on mute because it was awful but I love me some Kate Upton.

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  139. I don't like books because they're bad for the environment. Books kill trees and trees make oxygen. Books basically slowly kill people. It's science.

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  140. The endgame was to get Sting super duper over

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  141. Can I get them for Kindle?

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  142. now that could have been a helluva way to debut Rick Rude.

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  143. He'd need a Pay Day to turn into Ric Flair.

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  144. "Got it boss: breathe less, take time to be arrogant"

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  145. Ok, Piper would have been a great payoff.

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  146. I can read on my iPad!
    Honestly, I do like reading but I kinda don't wanna focus on something like that. Need something mindless.

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  147. Excellent insult Freddie Boom Boom!

    Sitting in the waiting room right now watch varying stages of death pass by

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  148. How long is the flight?

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  149. I suppose they could have had the Scorpion blow-off at Halloween Havoc, then built to a Sting vs. Flair rematch at Starrcade.

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  150. Wait, who has all of those accounts?

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  151. Ah, so that twat has been found out? He's been doing the law school BS since fairly early in that account, which I found funny after his first few posts were asking for "legal help". Posts that were mocked heavily by myself and a couple others, and led to my decision to just ignore all his posts.

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  152. You know, Sting's title defense against Did at Halloween Havoc seems so odd since Sting was feuding with the Black Scorpion

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  153. - For the first time in years, Jerry Lawler will not be hosting the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony this year. According to PWInsider, Eva Marie will be hosting.


    That'll be interesting.

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  154. le wreck du train

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  155. Can she even read?

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  156. What does the host actually do?
    Announces the inductors and that's it?

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  157. I think HBK is a great wrestler and all, but he is not coming back for WM 32. And, if he did, I don't think he is a big enough name to sell 100,000 tickets. We may love him, but do mainstream people know who he is?

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  158. I'm thinking a payday loan, if we're talking Flair.

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  159. The one about the French dude who ate everything was probably the weirdest/creepiest one.

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  160. Except there is this wonderful area called a tree farms by which many books are made from mulched wood. And they are harvested and replanted. Some how its a circle of life kind of thing.

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  161. They aren't selling tickets to mainstream people no matter what though. I mean they have got 70-80,000 people to come to wrestlemania before. So it's not like they have to find a whole new audience to fill that place. They need to get their fans and former fans interested in buying a ticket.

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  162. HBK training/coaching his pupil Daniel Bryan to conquer the 18 month long title reign of Brock Lesnar would be sweet.

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  163. I would do at Wrestlemania 32, Stone Cold vs The Rock IV or Brock vs Stone Cold. You gotta go for something that draws the money.

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  164. I'm still waiting for the "Euthanasia Coaster" opening next year at Six Flags Over Texas.

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  165. They should totally run the Sid/Michaels/Lothario angle with Brock/Bryan/Michaels in those respective roles.

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  166. Hell they charge for the privilage of putting your carry-on in an overhead compartment.

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  167. Wow, what a crappy finish to that match. Had never watched the footage until now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dGtW31X83s

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  168. Just hide all of the video cameras.

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  169. Fuck it, I'm excited for Mania.

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  170. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 26, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    It's snowing outside. And not like "hey, look, it's snowing", but snowing like beer cap sized flakes and 2 inches an hour. This. Is. BULLSHIT. It's literally spring, we should be done with this shit.

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  171. Eh. Their fans/lapsed fans are already the go to WM audience and they haven't sold out Mania 31. They need to sell to the local market (to some extent), which means the mainstream, to cross that 100,000 mark. They need like a Floyd Mayweather v. Brock match. Rock or Austin might sell it out, HBK and Punk wouldn't.

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  172. Thats a lot of sock puppet accounts

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  173. I more excited for RAW than Mania.

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  174. Hey hey, MIS-ter Kot-TER

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  175. Mr. Wrestlemania who is from Texas at Wrestlemania in Texas....I think that sells some tickets.

    I mean obviously actually creating new SCSA HBK and Rocks would be much better for the company..but..still I stand by my HBK does more good than harm being on that card if he is in shape.

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  176. "Fly with Aer Lingus. We're cunning!"

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  177. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    I'm not. I can't remember one I was less excited for. Even before I started watching the kids that did would talk about Wrestlemania and I was thinking "I don't care about wrestling, but I would watch it. Sounds interesting..." This year? I went from apathetic to actively saying "fuck this show" after Raw.

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  178. Could you be any more smarky? I mean really.....

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  179. Oh hey, the Mohawk River is staring to thaw. Ice jams and flooding are coming soon!

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  180. Oh I don't think HBK could harm anything. But I don't think Texans take to him as some idol, like they (stereotypically) do for Austin.

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  181. I will try Johnny Polo. In all honesty though, RAW after Mania is more exciting (to me) than Mania. Deal with opposing opinions.

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  182. I'm excited for Sting and the IC match. Rest is "meh" for me.

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  183. Yeah but he was feuding with the Horsemen at the same time and Sid was the biggest and probably only one he didn't beat yet. The Black Scorpion did make an appearance earlier in the night to taunt Sting with his "Black Magic". Funny that the reveal ended up being Flair anyway.

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  184. Adam "Colorado" CurryMarch 26, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    I agree with him. The Raw after WM is usually better than WM, and the crowd shitting all over Roman will be awesome.

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  185. Well I'm not necceisaily "excited" for WM (haven't been excited for one since WM 18 when i was 17 years old) but as far as something fun to watch on a Sunday night, I'm all for it. And really, I might just be being overly optimistic, but I don't think it's going to be THAT bad. The IC title match could be fun spotfest, the novelty of Sting/HHH and Taker/Bray is what "sports entertaintment" is all about. Cena/Rusev has potential (Cena pumped me up a bit for it on Kimmel last night), and the main-event could be a spectacular trainwreck. So we'll see....

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  186. They're having me fill out forms about depression and spousal abuse...

    What the fuck I have a cough just give me some antibiotics

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  187. Well to each their own I guess. I prefer wrestling matches to chants but we all watch this stuff for different reasons. Hell, back in the day, commentary was my favorite thing about wrestling.

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  188. I love the last line of the Wiki entry on Tarrare:

    "The fork was never found."

    Made me think "Dr. Samuel Beckett never leaped home." Or "Lt. Col. Henry Blake's plane was shot down over the Sea of Japan. It spun in; there were no survivors"

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  189. I remember them claiming that Flair had beaten Sting with mind games when he won the title, and even at the age of 9 or 10 that explanation made me furious. Like Sting had beaten the Black Scorpion in the big match. The ruse was a total failure. Then Flair beats Sting at a house show because the ref doesn't notice Sting's foot is on the ropes while he makes his count, and they try to play it off like it was Flair's masterstroke. I think it was my first instance of feeling Smark Outrage, the fact that all the intrigue of the Black Scorpion angle built up to such a huge letdown, and then, when it appeared Sting could finally move on to a new opponent, they throw the belt back on Flair without any ceremony. I get now how hopeless their situation was, but it was still a massive disappointment.

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  190. "Well, sir, you're already coughing, so... might as well turn your head, and I'll just put my hand right here, and..."

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  191. I agree with that. At least commentary from Ventura or Heenan could get you through an awful match. Now the commentary just exasperates it.

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  192. I was definitely visited by shadow people. :(

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  193. Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, but I don't think I can watch Dolph and Bryan in a spot fest with flying ladders. I'm nervous about one of them getting horribly injured, especially Dolph who will try to one-up everybody.

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  194. Oh, that was just me. Sorry about that.

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