Sunday, April 5, 2015

Ladies and gentlemen...

Since it was next on the list of stuff I wanted to see on the Network, I watched the Paul Heyman doc this afternoon, and man that might have been one of the best they've ever done.  I loved how brutally honest it was at times, especially since the subject is someone who knows himself as well as Paul does.  And unlike the Savage doc, this one had time to breathe and covered everything in detail and pretty much talked about all the things that you'd be interested in hearing about as a fan.  The genesis of the phone, his early days taking pictures, his troubles in WCW.  The only thing it didn't touch on was the feud with Cornette but there's probably some legal stuff there too. I really loved the contrast of all these people talking about what a great mentor and talent he was and then the constant cutting to Stephanie, who clearly does not drink the Kool-Aid, just shutting down the great points about him as diplomatically as possible.  It's also great to have a doc about someone who has not just died or destroyed his life and then needs to rebuild it or is the flavor of the month or whatever.  Also, finally his impressions of Kevin Sullivan and Dusty Rhodes preserved for posterity.  So yes, this was tremendous.  

120 comments:

  1. Paul Heyman is perfect for WWE productions because they don't have to pay attention to all those pesky wrestling matches.

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  2. Thaddeus MountainApril 5, 2015 at 5:32 PM

    Steph became unbearable after a while. She is 100% "WWE IS THE GREATEST" at all times, and just comes off as a complete twat at just about every turn.

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  3. The way her face contorts when describing these lies at length is becoming disturbing.

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  4. Is this on Netflix?

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  5. Also fuck Paul for lying about being paid by Vince.

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  6. Dude, the network is 2 bucks more a month.

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  7. Really good match that gets lost in the shuffle for sure

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  8. It's bullshit he isn't booking his own promotion right now. Wrestling needs it.

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  9. The Love-Matic Grampa!April 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    I think whatever their own feelings might be, her kids will respect her wishes and not bring up the matter.

    As an Owen fan, it saddens me that he's been essentially been erased by history and forgotten by most. But I completely understand Martha's viewpoint and can't blame her one bit for not bending on the matter.

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  10. Multiplayer only

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  11. I believe it's basically accepted that Paul and Vince had a financial arrangement in the 90s and multiple ECW wrestlers have said in shoots that they was definitely SOMETHING happening between Vince and Paul based on their observations and overheard conversations backstage as well as Danny Doring saying that he saw Paul duck out on the ECW crew on the way to New England for a show and spotted him in the front seat of Vince's car as it sped out from under Titan Towers.

    To my knowledge, neither party has ever issued any statement about this besides flat denial.

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  12. He's up there in terms of my favorite wrestling folks ever; can sell anything on the stick and made quite the wave, however short lived, with ECW. I just love listening to him talk, and you could tell by that speech featured in Beyond the Mat that his guys would run through a wall for him.

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  13. There's no point in having Kimbrel if you're not going to contend, plus BJ Upton sucks

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  14. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    I'm a patriotic citizen of singleplayer.

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  15. The Love-Matic Grampa!April 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    Damn you, sir! Now I have to buy the damn thing, and probably a Blu-Ray player, too.

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  16. I'd love to see what Paul can do creatively when he's not also balancing the financial and logisitical portions of the business.

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  17. Heyman can put over three things at once in the same sentence.

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  18. I'm very excited for the finale of better call Saul tomorrow. Best tv show right now

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  19. It's definitely public knowledge now. It's been said on both this doc and the ECW one. I'm wondering how Paul lied about it?

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  20. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 5, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    What I'm saying is that most people say that Smackdown was bad because JBL was champion. There are so many others to blame. Booker T basically phoned it in once he got drafted and I don't know what the hell RVD was doing. Matt Hardy basically got killed when he lost to Gowen and drafted to Raw. I'm surprised Cena was still as hot as he was given the stiffs he was facing on a nightly basis.

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  21. No way it could've been salvaged; its top tier talent were gutted or shipped to RAW, they whiffed on every rookie, and had weak or disinterested veteran workers as filler. Awful show in about every way imaginable.

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  22. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 5, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    I agree and that's why I never blamed JBL.

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  23. If WWE went tits up tomorrow, Steph would be wandering the streets of Connecticut barefoot and in a tattered pantsuit, mumbling half-formed sentences about synergy and Connor's Cure by June.

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  24. I fell behind, FACK the tomorrow. I want to crank them out this week though cause yeah, it's awesome

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  25. If you want someone to be objective about the WWE, why are you going to Stephanie McMahon of all people?

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  26. His mic work was one of the highlights, but just not a good worker in the ring to carry the belt, but like HHH in 2003, they had minimal alternatives.

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  27. At least they finally unloaded Blow-at-my-Job Upton. BRING ON THE TANK!

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  28. Last weeks episode was the best one yet

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  29. It wasn't a big deal, it was just WWE paying ECW the money they lost when they signed 2 Cold Scorpio because Paul had a deal with a record company to sponsor him.

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  30. Goddamn jobber, your Dubs taking the night off against my Spurs.

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  31. I only got up to the Mike ep, then fell behind as March Madness got crazy at work. But yeah, there hasn't been a dud in the bunch for me

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  32. 'The Vagrant' Stephanie McMahon

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  33. LIGHTS OUT
    GUERILLA RADIO
    TURN THAT SHIT UP

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  34. BASEBALL IS BACK

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  35. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    There's a place where everyone can be happy
    It's the most beautiful place in the whole fucking world...

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  36. Mike should win best supporting actor for that episode.

    Jimmy should win best actor for last weeks episode

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  37. Baseball would be a lot more exciting if each game was less than 3 hours

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  38. I have the whole THPS2 soundtrack on my iPod. I've 100% that game many times.

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  39. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    It's in our nature to destroy ourselves...

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  40. Most games are, it's usually the postseason games with longer breaks and AL slugfests that push it to NFL length, but most games tidy up in three hours or less, especially in the NL where its more pitching favored

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  41. I'll never understand this argument. Fuck exciting. You take your time with baseball. You savor that shit yo.

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  42. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 5, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    I hate people complaining about the length of baseball games. A majority are no longer than football games.

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  43. Question for the blog: What are some essential Rockers matches to check out? I've been on a big post-comeback HBK kick on the network because I didn't really watch from 2002 through 2010. But now I wanna go back and check out some old tag matches. Any suggestions?

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  44. lol goddamn Wrigley is such a mess right now during the renovation

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  45. Tag title win against the harts

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  46. Gonna be a weird year; Reds, Braves, and Phillies will suck, Mariners, Cubs, and Padres will be good, Astros may not be a joke anymore.

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  47. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©April 5, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Maybe because I kind of enjoyed counting the wins for faces and heels at Mania, and the fact that Extreme Rules is coming up, I decided to tally up the wins for that show and here are the figures.
    Out of 56 matches
    Faces: 40
    Heels: 13
    Draws: 1

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  48. But when you have a batter or pitcher constantly calling time, it's boring

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  49. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    There's one on the Heartbreak and Triumph DVD against 2 random guys from AWA that's really good.

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  50. Oh yeah, as a booker and writer, he's one of the best

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  51. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Suplex City, Bitch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWRc-XjR3jA



    Brock is the man.

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  52. He spent an hour talking about how Vince wanted 2 Cold but Paul was getting paid a thousand bucks by Tommy Boy etc., it was all bullshit. ECW was funded by WWF from late 96 until the end. Enough with the lies, tell us the truth.

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  53. BoD Fantasy Basketball Championship tight to the final day; I only hold a 5-4 category lead but still have three players left to go

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  54. Rumble 91 against the Orient Express

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  55. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    Go Blue Jays!

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  56. Finished Kimmy Schmidt and thought it was a lot of fun. Starting Parks and Rec right now!

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  57. Have you gone through Parks before?

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  58. Are the rockers the best team never to win the tag titles?

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  59. I made a miracle comeback in my championship game. Was getting crushed then on friday night my team scored 222(!!!!!) points and I'm actually up now.

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  60. Championship Gold

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  61. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    WWE, or any tag title? Weren't they AWA tag champs?

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  62. The Love-Matic Grampa!April 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    I'm always surprised when people are surprised when Stephanie is all "RAH RAH WWE!". I mean, what do they expect?

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  63. Stephanie was bad enough on the monday night war show, I can only imagine how bad she is here.

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  64. Nope. Have only seen a handful of episodes

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  65. Thaddeus MountainApril 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    I wouldn't expect the Cubbies to do much better than .500.

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  66. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Kevin Owens vs Brock Lesnar has potential to be a fun social experiment.

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  67. The best part is this dude was by far the top team and I barely snuck in. I actually have the better team but I was hit with injuries all year. Finally healthy now bitch!

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  68. Awa doesn't count. It's just like mr perfect was never a world champ

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  69. Thaddeus MountainApril 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Isn't Buddy Rose one of the two guys?

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  70. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    I hope they never win a WS again. Every promotion needs jobbers.

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  71. Idiot Tits McMahon (credit the guy who thought of that).

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  72. Thaddeus MountainApril 5, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    YYYYEEEEEESSSSS!

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  73. Buffalo HopscotchApril 5, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    I don't mind the length of baseball games. Then again, I watch test match cricket which goes for 5 days, so a game of baseball is like dogs years for me.

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  74. They are going to win the title this year. Back to the future said so

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  75. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    I agree, but most people don't. PWI counts it as a world title.

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  76. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    They also said they were going to win against Miami, which isn't possible.

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  77. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    It's 2 masked guys, I have no idea who they actually are.

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  78. Obligatory "1st season sucks but stick with it" comment

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  79. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    I don't mind it during the regular season, but thanks to TV playoff games take fucking forever.

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  80. Maddon going with the LaRussa special of hitting the pitcher 8th

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  81. 7 nights in Punta Cana... booked. Can't wait.

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  82. Blacklist went from a great first season to a boring second season. I'm hoping it gets better

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  83. Yeah, WWE paid ECW $1,000/week from 1996 and beyond because ECW lost a $1,000/week sponsorship from Tommy Boy Records when WWE signed 2 Cold Scorpio. That did happen as they even showed a screenshot from ECW in 1996 while Paul was talking that said thanks to TBR for sponsoring the ECW TV show
    Vince also loaned ECW over $500,000 so that they afford to go ahead with the Heat Wave 2000 PPV when ECW was heading for the end. That was the source of the debt to WWE listed in the 2001 ECW bankruptcy filing.

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  84. Nah. She is a total mean person, but even if the WWE went belly up - she'd be part of some Catholic Health Organization.

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  85. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    I can't start caring about baseball until the NBA playoffs are over.

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  86. I figured you had already seen this Scott. Yes it is by far the best wrestling doc I have ever and I was never a huge Heyman guy.

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  87. I remember hearing about the loan. Can't remember if that was on the doc or not.

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  88. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    That sounds like something that if I said it to a Hispanic person he'd punch me in the face.

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  89. Looks like it's only six episodes so I'll survive

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  90. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    Jennifer Morrison is hot, she needs to get more work.

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  91. Buffalo HopscotchApril 5, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    The murder investigation sub-plot really dragged it down a bit imo.

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  92. She was awesome on house. I thought she stars on once upon a time

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  93. The fiance ruled out Jamaica because her brother went there for his honeymoon... and she wanted something we could call our own.


    No real allegence to the place other than it's pretty damn affordable... $2,500 for a week's stay, airfare, all inclusive, upgraded rooms.

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  94. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    I would have gone with Jamaica, for obvious reasons.

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  95. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    Never heard of it.

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  96. I think it's all in the inflection... or something.


    My only other time south of the border... the locals spent the entire time calling me Gringo. I must make quite the impression.

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  97. Yea, I kind of meant if you were looking for wrestling documentaries, WWE Network is 2 bucks more a month if you cancelled Netflix.

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  98. It's on abc. Been around for 4-5 years

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  99. lol, pot.

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  100. My god that sledgehammer shot killed the crowd at WM.

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  101. Remember a few years ago when HHH was feuding with Brock? There was a promo that Stephanie cut on Heyman that was so savage and so obviously based in her real emotions. It basically amounted to "You're not as good as my Daddy!"

    I think when it comes to Paul, both Vince and Steph have serious insecurity issues, given how the fans and the wrestlers value his opinions and contributions to wrestling.

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  102. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    Heyman killed in his promo at Raw.

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  103. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    Oh, the fairytale thing? Not my bag, and outside of sports I can't think of the last thing I watched on network television.

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  104. The relish he took in "correcting" the crowd from "suplex city" to "suplex city bitch" was delightful.

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  105. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    I don't think gringo is really a slur.

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  106. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 5, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    When he's with Brock, his words are gold.

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  107. Is there anything you can *really* call a white guy that could be considered a slur?


    I know it's not good.

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  108. I've heard all the slightly offbeat tropical getaways are a steal and less crowded while giving the same amenities. I've heard that Tonga trumps Hawaii at a fraction of the price.

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  109. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 5, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    I think it's more like slang rather than slur. There is a Spanish slur for a white guy, but I forget what it is.

    And I'd count "honky" as a slur for a white person. "Gajin", when not used in a wrestling/sports context probably qualifies too.

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  110. 100 percent. If Owen had died in a random, out-of-the-ring accident he would've been in the Hall of Fame years ago.

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  111. "They included him on that Hart family DVD and were met with a lawsuit soon after it was released..."
    The part of her lawsuit where she contested WWE's right to use their footage of Owen was quickly dismissed because WWE was completely within their rights to do it. There's a reason why you don't see Owen action figures or Owen in WWE video games, yet he's on WWE DVDs all the time and is all over the Network. One would require Martha Hart's permission, and the other doesn't.

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  112. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonApril 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    Bret criticized her for not being over it.

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  113. I think her and Bret teamed up with their mutual hate of Vince at the time but once things were settled she distanced herself from all the Harts.

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