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> Hey Scott,
> Have you heard any scuttlebutt on the new raw dump? They put up every 98 raw which is a good thing in a vacuum but it makes me wonder if/when they finish off 96 and do 97. Also since these raws are in a different section it makes me wonder if they will disappear like all the great black history month programs. For such a great service the lack of any information about archive updates can get frustrating.
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> Thanks
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The scuttlebutt seems to be that the dump is permanent, but who the hell knows?  Missing all of 97 sets off my wrestling OCD, but I'll take whatever j can get. 

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  1. I'm hoping this isn't another petty attempt at trolling the fanbase, but with this fucking company you never know anymore. It's pretty universally accepted that 1997 and 2000 were the two best years EVER for RAW (and 97 arguably for wrestling period), and the majority of WWE Network subscribers are hardcore fans who want that content, so Vince... cut the shit and give us 97. I would actually resubscribe for that.

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  2. Ah, so Dana will give GSP/Silva 4 years after the fact.

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  3. His promo to set up the Jericho stuff at Wrestlemania was surprisingly really good.

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  4. SAbu isn't terribly good in the ring either

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  5. AverageJoeEverymanApril 13, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    Ambrose has the worst luck with appliances

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  6. I thought it was better than any of the Steamboat matches I saw. Now I realize they had a ton of them so I could have missed a full monty classic but yeah, up to that point in his career I think it was his best singles match.

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  7. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONApril 13, 2015 at 3:00 PM

    Maybe they want to upload all the 1997 RAWs and Nitros at the same time, they just jumped to filling out '98 b/c it's a free month and they only thing they remember ever being successful was the goddamn Attitude Era that I'm actually starting to get REALL GODDAMN SICK OF to be honest with you. But that would make some sense at least.

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  8. They probably do make a profit on it, just LESS of a profit then they make running other venues

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  9. Hasn't changed much today. THEDEMONKANE with a devastating chokeslam!

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  10. At least they had Scott Hall put him over as a buddy and a Caribbean wrestling hero. It didn't really work, but you can't say they didn't try. It didn't work for Steve Blackman either, and I was hoping he'd get push to the title.

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  11. Honestly, I'm just glad I got to see a Wrestlemania at MSG before they stopped running there; amazing atmosphere.

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  12. Steve Blackman as a Caribbean wrestling hero would have been amazing.

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  13. Given how nationally popular the UFC is now (more than boxing...i think it's safer than boxing too) it's kind of absurd that shit isn't legal in New York

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  14. They haven't omitted everything. The addition of all of the '98 Raws was a separate thing altogether from the (admittedly too sporadic) regular Raw updates.

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  15. #IWCneverhappy

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  16. When he cared, he actually was very good - one guy's opinion I guess -.....thing is, he talked zero.

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  17. I never got that either. I got the whole Sunny making an idiot out of PIG - it was stupid - but I got it. I never got a man dressed up in drag as Sunny in spite of Vince thinking drag queens were en vogue or something. All I know is the Gunn break up within six months or less after this because of Sunny breaking up with them. I'm still shocked Billy has some nastilgia value while Mike Barton is forgotten - outside of Butterbean.

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  18. Maybe, but Austin did cut a pretty good promo after Beware of Dog - where he dogged the Lex Express and said he could go around the country on a bus whuppin butt.

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  19. I can't agree. I've never loved that strap match anyway, but I'd take almost any of his Steamboat matches, or the Pillman match from COTC over this one.

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  20. I can't wait to finally relive those cowardly WCW losers piss their pants in fear of Triple H's tank!

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  21. Nassau is shutting down soon for a remodeling where they are going to cut down capacity, guaranteeing that the Islanders will never move back

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  22. Well if you never liked it that would make sense. I thought it was close to a ***** match with some really stiff stuff. It was the first time I saw the Austin I remembered seeing in WCW.

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  23. That's not what I meant, but yeah you got a point.

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  24. I love Barclays Center, but it's no MSG, it's smaller and doesn't have the historical vibe. But mSG is way too much to run

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  25. chase bridge should be open for wrestling. The Madison club is probably shut because it would likely be behind the ramp

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  26. Dolan for the Knicks has been an abomination, h even ran out Marv Albert as the voice of the Knicks. For the Rangers, it helps having Glen Sather run the team

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  27. My crazy theory: they are competing with HBO NOW. Seriously, I subscribed Saturday and was thinking today that WWE really needs to step up it's game if they're gonna keep getting my money.

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  28. They also added two from October 96.

    I just wish they'd STICK TO A FUCKING SCHEDULE.

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  29. Battle Kat LitterApril 13, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    I was a bit of a Steve Blackman Mark in 2000-01

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  30. I thought Austin's best match in WCW was at Fall Brawl 94 against Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

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  31. Just turned on one of the attitude Raw's for the first time in ages (March 9, 1998) and wow, just in the opening with the crowd shots is night and day from today. It seems like everyone has a sign and they are all AMPED to be there. They also go nuts for a lot of the baby faces, instead of, you know, sitting on their hands and falling asleep. Makes the shows seem more exciting and important.

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  32. ATTITUDE ERA ATTITUDE ERA

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  33. I wish that term was never coined.

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  34. The WWE's focus on Great Moments is a real pain. Great Moments are great moments because something built up to them. Austin stunning McMahon only matters because of the long build! I mean sure everyone wants to see the DX tank, but we have to see that long build of HHH ascending to heaven and getting the idea from $DEITY.

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  35. ATTITUDE ERA! ATTITUDE ERA! At this point I wish that term was never even coined.

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  36. I still wished WCW had called the outsiders: Scott "Shaver" Hall and "Big Premium" Kevin Nash.

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  37. His later music was so cool. He wasn't that horrible either. I mean he wasn't ufc material - but I liked the guy. Front stance, low block.

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  38. The network banks upon the model of "I'll take what I can get."

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  39. I used to have two matches of Hogan squashing Tito from 1980. One had the tones of Graham and Rudman - two of my favorite announcers.

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  40. What would have happened if they had given Ron Simmons the Dang gimmick in 1998? World champion baby! Unless the rumors concerning Vince and the WWF title are true.

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  41. Butch Reed was dressed for down town Detroit. Jesse Ventura, 1987

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  42. Hard to imagine they ran a Wrestlemania at the Hartford Civic Center

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  43. One of the greatest promos I ever heard had to be Buddy Landell from probably 1988-89 during a quick cup of coffee return. "I bet some promoter went to a gym and said - I think I'll name that muscle bound idiot Sting and name the other guy Lex Luger."

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  44. The Nation of Contsipation?

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  45. For people who these 90's Raws are new to, uploading 1998 and skipping 1997 is like seeing Empire Strikes Back but never seeing Star Wars.

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  46. Titan Sinking, the book on 1995, says they weren't making money back then. So that's 20 years.

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  47. Im kinda sick of "wrestlemania moment" too. I hope nobody took a drink everytime they said it at WM. It used to be a cool thing that just happened.

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  48. Their uploading definitely makes no sense. It's like they panicked and realized they didn't have Attitude Era Raws on there so they add them all at once...where if they had just stuck to a schedule of uploading 5 a week like they had in the beginning, they would probably be just about through all of 1998 by now anyway.

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  49. Yeah kind of but they dont say it after literally every move someone does like Vince did.

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  50. blahblahblahblah5April 13, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    If this corporation were actually a person it would be committed for insanity. Hard to believe there are people actually investing real money in it.

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  51. Why the hell they didn't just put everything in chronological order? One can start watching around late 96 when the "attitude" started to seep in with Russo's booking of tweeners and anti-social rhetoric. Then go through all 97 and understand where the real Attitude Era came from.


    Anyone who watched KFB Cornette's WWE 1997 timeline would understand.

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  52. Me too. I hate it. And frankly, the so-called "attitude" was kinda lowbrow and lame for the most part. I remember that era for the "anything can happen" aspect to it and the fact that it had the deepest roster of any era with the most exciting (and sometimes death-defying) matches ever. I don't remember it for Mark Henry having sex with Mae Young or Val Venis being castrated.

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  53. Watching from "FRUSTRATED ISN'T THE GODDAMN WORD FOR IT!" gets the full Attitude Era experience, but that was Bret and not DX. You can see the bind they're in.

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  54. Can you imagine what would happen if the NY Knicks started an on demand network and a year later still didn't have any games from the years that they made the finals?

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  55. Let me have my dreams!

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  56. That's the EXACT start of that era. Totally agree.

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  57. That's what mlw radio says also that it's very expensive to run and it's not maintained well backstage

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  58. Fair enough. The MeloDrama followed by the Dwightmare...now we are struggling to make the playoffs

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  59. That was exactly the experience for a lot of Americans, though. Ratings went up big time in 98, with tons of new eyes on the product that likely didn't see the 97 stuff.

    Not that I'm defending WWE's idiotic uploading, of course.

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  60. Eh, it was entertaining. And like DoctorEw said, the fans were EXCITED to see wrestling. That never seems to be the case now.

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  61. I'll come back if they put up the 97 shows.

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  62. Trust me I know. I watched the 1997 Royal Rumble alone. My friends were like "you STILL watch wrestling???" For the 1998 Rumble, those same friends were all over my house with Austin 3:16 or DX shirts on.

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  63. Most of it was. But it's a shame that that era is more remembered for the "shock TV" aspect then the wrestling. People who weren't watching at the time probably think that all Rock did was cut funny promos. He was actually a GREAT wrestler.

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  64. I can't stand it. Just let things happen naturally. If they are memorable they will be remembered for years on end. Christ.

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  65. I don't mind it as a retrospective thing. Like when coming back from commercial in the weeks leading up to WM there's a clip that's like "And now....the Wrestlemania moment of the week" and it shows Hogan slamming Andre or whatever. That's cool. But yeah...when JBL is rambling on about "this is a Wrestlemania moment, Maggle!", that blows.

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  66. Probably not vince told bret he'd hold the title for a year and told nash he'd have it 2-3 years.

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  67. Absolutely. Telling us as it's happening that we're seeing an historic moment doesn't make it so.

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  68. Still annoyed there is no Superstars...you know their FLAGSHIP show until the mid 90s? Also how about all of the tons of shows they have. Wrestling Challenge, All American Wrestling...etc...etc.... You could also throw in the WCW weekend shows as well.


    I don't mind if they had 2-3 or week. Just make it consistent.

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  69. TheOriginalDonaldApril 13, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    The Fishsticks were moving to Brooklyn in October

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  70. Amd he stayed, because

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  71. FUNNIEST part of that promo. It's like Warrior and Hogan have their bits and its like "Uh, Tito, what is the name of your followers?

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  72. Brooklyn is getting Summerslam, quit your whining

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  73. In basketball they don't put half of the arena away with a big HD screen and entrance area.

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  74. That doesn't take up 1/3rd of an arena's seats though.

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  75. Ok, I'm exaggerating but I could live with a very small entrance like in the early days. They could put the screens somewhere around the ring or so.

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  76. they did it because they wanted to be in the NY area with LT wrestling and hoped to get as positive an audience response as possible from NY area giants fans. They just ran MSG year before so that and other nearby NYC arenas like meadowlands were ruled out, so Hartford it was. Plenty of giants fans reside in CT

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  77. Impossible logistics being mid baseball season and also yankees would never allow any setup and seating on the grass. Wont happen

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  78. that is a heck of a stretch to use that as a selling point. An event that is obscure to the majority of their fans in a building that doesnt exist anymore.

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