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Regarding you not viewing WWE for a few years..

Hey Scottman, 

I read you way back in the late 90's Wrestlezone days and even checked out some of your books. You seemed so enthusiastic and so knowledgable, truly the king of the smark castle. Unfortunately, I kind of got away from 411/Insidepulse/a lot of the smark sites for a few years, so I completely missed out on you dipping out from the E for a few years before rediscovering the BoD again recently. I still remained a WWE fan, though. Sort of. That said, I got back into it again, at least until recently. 
I've never been more jaded with WWE than I am right now. So I was wondering what it was that turned you off to the product for that period of time? And what brought you back?

Thanks a lot,
CX  

Please don't call me "Scottman".

Anyway, John Cena pretty much drove me away in 2005, combined with losing Steve Austin, Brock Lesnar and the Rock in rapid succession as regular guys.  Plus I had an alternative with WWE 24/7 so I could watch what I REALLY wanted, namely nostalgia shows from the 80s like Primetime Wrestling and old house shows.  It made it really easy to step away from watching on a weekly basis, not to mention getting married and such.  

I returned in 2011 because of CM Punk and started doing RAW again because Widro asked me if I wanted to give it a shot again for Insidepulse.  It was fun for a while, but once RAW went to three hours it was no longer fun, it was work, and I already have a full time job that pays me much better.  WWE Network, for all its flaws, is the best thing to ever happen to my writing career on the blog because I can rip through all this old content that's easy to review and I've never seen before.  

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  1. Speaking of "Scottman", whatever happened to a writer called Scotsman? I remember him being the king of crude wrestling coverage in the early days of the IWC.

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  2. How is Brian Alvarez holding up these days? I subscribed to this sheet back in the late 90s before I got internet and enjoyed his work. Also liked his Death of WCW book. I would think not alot of sheet writers at emerged during the late 90s have moved on.

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  3. You can visit Scotsman at NPP.

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  4. Maybe I'm not around when you guys do. Part of me misses coming home from work on a Monday and having the dirt sheet waiting for me in the day's mail.

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  5. He does like a daily show on Sports Byline, which you can access with a TuneIn app. Plus he does a podcast with Meltzer and Sempervieve. I enjoy listening to him.

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  6. What would Scottman's super powers be?

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  7. Lightning quick sarcasm?

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  8. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONApril 4, 2015 at 8:55 AM

    I got the impression he lost his damn mind at some point and vanished, then popped back up writing for some little piddling nothing site.

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  9. I thought it was pretty good. It was a thoughtful and honest documentary. It was good to hear perspectives from different important people in his life. Enjoyed that Lanny and his Mom would counterpoint a lot of the wrestler's opinions on Savage, leaving it up to you the viewer to decide the truth.


    The wrestling part.....honestly, if you need talking heads to tell you more about the Jake feud, or his Macho King reign....just thought it was not necessary. I enjoyed the more private and thoughtful stories of the documentary. I would have rather have had that then a blow by blow of his wrestling career, I don't need a bunch of people telling me how awesome he was. I know that already.


    Sure a 3 hour doc would have been awesome, but considering all of the problems between the WWE and Macho....this was probably the very best you could ever get. It was honest.

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  10. yeah that was touching. You can tell that universally he was beloved and respected by the wrestlers of his generation...unlike Warrior.

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  11. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONApril 4, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    At least he didn't call you Scooter...


    Anyway, all the problems and dumb content on the Network be damned, my 9.99 a month MAGGLE goes to having it as a living archive of wrestling content, a one stop resource for me to load up and watch almost any PPV I want, & HOPEFULLY any other RAW/Nitro/TV special I want at some point. Adding the documentaries was an unexpected nice touch, and some of the shows like Rivalries, WM Rewind, and, so sue me, Countdown, are worth watching for me. So that's enough, esp. since I discovered watching wrestling during my lifting routine really helps me stick with it.

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  12. Able to lift steel steps that weigh over 500 pounds!

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  13. Yeah that 2005 - 2011 period was brutal for me as well. The only thing I went out of my way to follow was the 3 month run-up to Flair - HBK at WM24. Weird period. You look back and there WERE some great matches on top thanks mainly to Edge. And Cena had more than a few excellent main event matches too. Yet it was all utterly disposable and unmemorable. No touchstone moments that you instantly look back upon with enthusiasm. I'd argue that there were more moments in 1998 or 1999 alone that I remember more fondly than anything that happened in the '05 - '11 period despite being 16-17 years ago.

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  14. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONApril 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    I always think next month is the last time I pay for my Observer subscription, but I keep going. All the newsletters and podcasts between Dave, Bryan, & Vinny (and Craig) are definitely worth it and have become part of my daily routine along with this site.

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  15. Meh. I mean, HHH has said far worse about Hogan when Hogan and Vince were on the outs and then shook Hogan's hand and palled around with him once Hogan was back in the company's good graces. I don't think it'd be much of an issue.

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  16. I don't think it was anything but half-assed. They went out and spoke to a former teammate of his from the minors. They filmed clips from the tree where he died.


    They got some friends of his from radio, someone from Slim Jim....the production was top notch.


    We can discuss the content covered, but WWE did not half-ass that.

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  17. I only ever watched Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania for that time period. Called it "wrestling season." Makes it a lot easier.

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  18. Why would John Cena drive you away? Plus, he was only on RAW. Did you not like Smackdown either?

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  19. He's probably currently talking to someone pretending to Lana over AIM.

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  20. SCOTTMAN: REVIEW WCW WWE 24/7 OLD HOUSE SHOWS

    FULL TIME JOB IS A HOT PIECE OF ASS GOOD WORK

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  21. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONApril 4, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    I didn't just watch TNA all through 2006 because it was on fire, though it absolutely was. That year was so damn brutal for WWE, with all these horrible 80's gimmicks coming back for some reason I could not fathom. Cena losing his nuts, the awkwardness of the DX reunion (though I don't hate that stuff as much as some do), and like Scott said losing all these guys in rapid succession really turned me away. At least the BoD was up and running on LJ by then.

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  22. Able to endure hours upon hours of 70s WWWF wrestling in a single sitting.

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  23. I tuned out in 2007 after the whole Chris Benoit deal. Came back around 2011-12 when CM Punk & Daniel Bryan were at the top of the card. Whenever they stumble across something that will make the product exiciting again, they manage to kill it. But I hang in there and enjoy the ride best I can.

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  24. Do you guys recall which PPV it was where Scott kept making up ridiculous weights for objects used in matches? The steps, the guard rail, etc. I recall it was maybe early 2000s, whenthe annoicers kept saying how heavy the steps were.

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  25. Scott was over 8 years old by then.

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  26. Him being dead had a lot to do with that. It's really hard to give the spotlight to someone who isn't around to stand in it. I'm not sure what else WWE could've done to make Savage's induction more meaningful.

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  27. I think so? Might have been earlier. I was looking to reread the PPV itself.

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  28. Biff Kensington Has a PosseApril 4, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    I kind of like how they did it with Ric Flair's two releases. The first release was all about the matches, with blurbs in between that laid out the general time frame and some of the things that went into the matches, whereas the second DVD was largely about Flair's story and life.

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  29. Biff Kensington Has a PosseApril 4, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Rock Bottom 1998. Michael Cole made some absurd comment about how much the tombstone weighed or something, and Scott just ran off with it.

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  30. Just wait until "The Self Destruction of CM Punk and AJ Lee" comes out in a few years...

    Triple H: "Probably one of the most unprofessional guys I've ever stepped into the ring with."

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  31. They don't wanna spend too much time on his WWE career man, too many bad memories for Stephanie.

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  32. TJ: The Taker/HHH portion of the SD '09 Chamber match was AWESOME

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  33. Scott stopped reviewing SmackDown in 2004 after it got super awful and JBL was pushed to the top.

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  34. ThebrazilianpsychoApril 4, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    The NWO show in 2009 is a hidden gem.

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  35. I thought you worked at best buy.

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  36. The only thing I remember about the HBK/JBL match was everybody on the message board I usually use gushing over HBK's wife. Man is she HOT.

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  37. Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

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  38. It'll even be the same footage from 2000 of Triple H holding the belt.

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  39. Also, whoever would have thought Randy Savage was actually a pretty good looking dude back in his baseball days?

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  40. Shawn got a good match outta lawler in 96? I knew shawn was AWESOME at this time but damn

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  41. Apparently they've been editing WrestleMania for rebroadcast on the Network. I just turned it on about 1/2 way through on the live stream and saw them edit's Steph flub (where she starts to say "WrestleMania" instead of "Summerslam") and now they've reinstered the Undertaker/Bray history package into the show.

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  45. Ah yes, Ric Flair: This Match Looks Familiar and Ric Flair: That Drunk Owes Me Money. Great documentaries.

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  46. Yeah, I said similar things when he died but ran into a lot of the "but he's dead so you have to be nice even though none of us knew him and have no real cause to mourn" thing.

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  48. Which Beverly brother are you referring to. Mike Enos?

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  50. I want to know what Beverly's original comment was - I'm assuming it was Mike Enos.

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  51. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©April 4, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Up vote for the deep breath.

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  52. He never really recovered from getting scammed by that dude pretending to be Missy Hyatt.


    As feverishly as he tried to be cool, I always imagine him as the WOW guy from South Park.

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  53. Passing out is so overrated.

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  54. Scott gave up weekly SmackDown rants in the summer of 2004. I don't blame anyone who was driven away by that shit.

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  55. I'm OK with putting in the package back in, since Bray did a crazy job carrying that "feud" by himself

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  56. To WWE's credit, 2008 was one of the best years they ever had regardless of era. Both shows were great, the PPVs were mostly very good, and they were pushing fresh talent.

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  57. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 4, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    How does an auction draft work? I just noticed that since the draft is tonight.

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  58. I wonder what AJ will do with her life now. She's done everything that can be done in wrestling but she's still so young.

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  59. Stay home and punch out kids for Phil?

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  60. Biff Kensington Has a PosseApril 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    It's weird; wrestling has been a lifelong passion of mine, but I've always been kind of... streaky with it. I started watching in late-1989/early-1990, and was religiously devoted to it until mid-1993. I hated the New Generation so much (though Bret Hart is one of my all-time favorites) that it put me off for three years. I started coming around in 1996 when the Ultimate Warrior came back to Raw, and then I was hooked again when I saw an episode of WCW Worldwide recounting Hulk Hogan's heel turn (shocked the HELL out of me), and the following match that featured my all-time in-ring favorite for years, Chris Benoit. I was again religiously devoted to watching wrestling from 1996 until late-2004 after Triple H won the WHC from Orton. I was off-an-on through 2005, 2006 and 2007. After Benoit killed his family in 2007, I was only vaguely aware of wrestling until the Pipebomb Promo in 2011, after which I started following again.

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  61. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 4, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    For a period of time, I didn't have Spike TV or UPN. I missed the period from when Angle came back from neck injury to just after WM 21.

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  62. Wow, imagine CM Punk as your father? Talk about a grouchy dad!

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  63. Scott, think you'll ever recap the abbreviated youtube (top 10) RAW again?


    You did a few of those a while back and it was more enjoyable to read than recaps of the 3 hour show.

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  64. That was such a douchey touch to the interview

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  65. It would be kind of cool if, after a year or two absence, she decided to work for a company like SHIMMER or SHINE. Attaching a legitimate name to an all-women's promotion might actually be the shot in the arm it needs to expand beyond spot shows here and there.

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  66. For me, I've been quite steady since I first saw my first match, which was Hogan and Orndorff in the photo-finish cage match, until when Rock and Austin left. With HHH and Taker taking over as the top guys, the rise of Cena and the Benoit murders, my interest has waned considerably. Nowadays, I barely watch but read results and come here and if anything sounds awesome, I'll go look it up on YouTube or watch a RAW/Smackdown rerun.

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  67. Each owner gets $X, and the players are auctioned off one at a time, highest bidder winning the player. It's somewhat "fairer" than a normal draft, if possibly slower.

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  68. On the balance, I still think the Austin documentary is the best one.

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  69. That kind of makes me angry when you consider the purpose then was just to build Taker's confidence in himself so they could get another two to three Manias out of him. Bray didn't even really need to be there. It could've been Big Show or Kane (again).

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  70. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Oh ok. I see that the auction budget is $260. I assume that's the total amount for all the players we are going to select.

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  71. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    The bids are going to be very low then I presume if we are only getting $260.

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  72. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarApril 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    I remember Scott used to do that, too, instead of watching Raw on Monday night. We'd get a condensed review on Wednesday.

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  73. Outside of a hot six-month stretch of RAW in the first half of 2004 and Batista's great face turn at the end of the year, you didn't miss much. 2003 was the running shits.

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  74. I went 93-95, 98-06 and 10-present.

    Sometimes it's nice to miss big chunks. Going through old PPVs is like searching for buried treasure.

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  75. I'm the same, dropped out post SVS 2001, came back the night Bischoff was named GM (I was just flipping around and all of a sudden WHATS ERIC BISCHOFF DOING IN THE RAW ZONE, TAZZ?!?!), bailed during 06-07, bailed during most of 09, stopped watching SD for good in 2012, stopped watching RAW last year, although I came back for the post-Mania show this week and will stick with it till it loses me.

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  76. You realize there was a dude that Scott used to be buddies with called the Scottsman?

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  77. The league format determines that... you should have >$10 per player, and I'd guess at least 1/4 (up to 1/2) of your team can be bought for $1-3. You might be surprised how high a few key guys go for.

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  78. About 3/4 of the roster you'll probably spend double digits on and then you'll fill out the rest with mid-tier guys for a couple of bucks down to a dollar (minimum bid to select a player). Definitely use the ESPN auction cheat sheet to get a baseline idea of what you'll be spending on players and maybe even do a mock draft just to get a feel of the process; you don't want to blow through your money early to where you're down to only $1 for every spot you have left and get locked out of the middle rounds.

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  79. I fell away during the same period except it wasn't because of Cena;it was because Steph and Trips got the book and Vince started his dissent into Alzheimer's and pretty much ruined the product.

    They kept making booking decisions that made no sense and pissed off the fans. First Book Dusk get's over and they keep jobbing them out until the point when they finally put the titles on them but their heat was faded by then. Or Booker jobbing out to Trips at Wrestlemania, which still goes down as one of the most offensive booking decisions of all time. Christian get's over with his Peeps gimmick and they just keep jobbing him out until he quits and goes to TNA.The Roman Reign's like pushing of Randy Orton. And of course the reunion of DX and Trips and HBK going over the whole roster by themselves.

    The Benoit incident was the final nail for me and just made the whole thing feel stupid and pointless. The fact that someone would injure themselves into madness for a fake sport made it all seem so sad.



    I would turn it on every now and then from 07 on but every time I did Trips or Randy were going over someone. Or there some stupid gimmick like the Boogieman or that angle with the chick with the mole on her face. I don't even remember what it was but I just remember it was mind numbingly stupid.

    Then the Summer of Punk happened but when I turned that on Punk is jobbing to Trips and Nash. I tried again the next year and Bryan is jobbing to Sheamus in 18 seconds, then Brock comes back to job to Cena in his first match.



    It wasn't until Bryan won at Wrestlemania last year that I thought there was a chance they would actually do something right for once. Actually, don't know why I keep watching because since then they have pretty much gone back to the same stupid booking.



    I'll at least give them credit for making the switch to Rollins at Wrestlemania and giving the IC title to Bryan. Though that's still them pushing the guy they don't like to the curtain jerkin segment and Reigns in the main event.

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  80. What funny is, that period from '05 to like '08 was actually a mini-boom period for WWE because of Cena and Batista. Ratings trended upward for a while and the company was making good money off a safe model of "TV, PPV, DVD, repeat." The reason no one really bothers to mention this is because there was nothing innovative about this period.

    Rock N Wrestling is the Golden Age and the Attitude Era the Silver Age precisely because they completely altered how the show was being presented. The Cena era was entirely against that. It only wanted to rely on things that had been successful in those other two eras. Which makes sense because the company was much more focused on its stock value and diversifying its assets (WWE Studios, expanding merch, TV deals, etc.) than it was on the content of the product.

    Even today, the company moves at a snail's pace when it decides to change something. DBry is probably the best example as the company took forever to get behind him and immediately abandoned him when they saw the opportunity, but even RAW as a production hasn't dramatically changed its presentation in almost twenty years. Think about that. RAW initially went through at least three distinct styles of presentation in its first five years (debut in 1993, New Generation era circa 1995, and then pre-Attitude buildup in 1997), but hasn't really been altered since then.

    2005 to 2011 was mostly forgettable because it was a horrible clash of eras, trying to take safe superheros and mix them with crude jokes and Vince's personal ideas on fetish play. So there wasn't really anything to miss, and lord, I can't wait to see how the nostalgia train works on that one. Are we going to get Shaniqua and the Bashams popping up at a Wrestlemania in 2021 like we do with the New Age Outlaws?

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  81. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 4, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    Sounds cool. Shall be interesting for my first auction draft.

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  82. And Book Dust only had the titles for a month. Jesus they got fucked.

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  83. Can't wait for shaniqua and the bashams!

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  84. I really like it because everyone has a shot at every player (no auto draft generator will determine who gets Trout at #1) and its a true test of GM skills I'm building your roster; do you break the bank for a few stars, do you try to go for a balanced approach with cheaper guys, do you pay whatever it takes to get your guy or do you go with a Plan B, etc.

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  85. Seriously. It was like they said, "Fine, we'll give the fans what they want...haha psyche."

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  86. Mitch, The GodfatherApril 4, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    That's true. Don't overload too much on top guys.

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  87. Warrior and Macho liked each other fyi. Warrior was broken up aftrr macho died

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  88. It's dumb because wcw was giving guaranteed contracts as early as 1989--7 years before Hall and Nash

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  89. The opening with the Jeep waa a bit crass.

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  90. I want to know who is going to pay the bills in that house? Neither of them have a job now.

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  91. Almost all the main stars from that era are still active. Look at the guys who propped up PPVs during that era. Cena, Orton, Kane, Big Show, HHH never left. JBL, Undertaker, Booker T, Flair, Shawn aren't active but are a part of the family. Benoit, Eddie, Test are dead. Edge, Christian, Rey could only come back as talkers and couldn't actually do anything.

    I have a feeling RVD is going to be the Sgt Slaughter of the 2020 era nostalgia tours where he shows up for everything. If Angle would finally retire and get off drugs he could be there also. After that you gotta go real low on the totem pole. Carlito?

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  92. I've said it several times before: SmackDown was so bad in 2004 that I stopped believing wrestling was real just for the sake of my sanity. It killed kayfabe for a 12 year old just by being bad television!

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  93. Stranger in the AlpsApril 4, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    I stopped watching with the post-Wrestlemania 21 RAW, all the way to Survivor Series 2007 when I picked it back up. I was taking heat from Mrs. Stranger for watching the half-naked Divas and some of the more "adult" storylines. She challenged me to stop watching for one month. I did her one better: I stopped watching for two and half years. But I continued to watch older stuff during that time.


    If you challenge me to do something, I usually show up.

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  94. I love when people try to look at JBL the wrestler with rose colored glasses.


    Fuck you, JBL always sucked and was one of the worst things to happen to Smackdown. Good promos be damned, JBL was more repetitive than Bray Wyatt.

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  95. I challenge you to pay off my mortgage.

    And provide me with a lifetime supply of ice cream.

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  96. Smackdown in 2005? With JBL as permanent number one contender?

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  97. 2003 RAW was awful. Almost all the 2003 PPVs sucked. 2004 Smackdown was a tedious piece of shit with RAW only having saving moments of grace once every 3 months. And again the PPVs generally were full of shit. Those two years killed their interest in WWE quite easily.

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  98. For me it was the formation of the Mega Powers. Hated wrestling until that point though my older brother was always trying to turn it on. Then I happened to turn on a recap show that was replaying Hogan saving Savage from Honky and the Harts and I was hooked. Was obsessed from that point until late 94 when Diesel won the title. Then Mabel won the king of the ring and I was like "Fuck this shit."



    I was more into WCW in 94 anyway. We didn't have cable so I would watch the Saturday night show from Universal. Once that went off the air and they both went to 12 PPVs I couldn't keep up.



    Came back in 97 because, well I was 18 and had a job and could pay for cable myself. But also because all my friends were talking about the NWO. Which made me check out what WWF was doing and all the WCW guys I liked from the early 90s were showing up in WWF. Foley, Austin, Pillman, Vader, Johnny B Badd (haha just kidding). I was way more interested in watching these guys get a chance on top then I was watching washed up guys from WWF like Hogan and Savage (and Nash; he was still boring) that my friends were talking about.


    The screwjob happened; the internet happened; found all these wrestling sites; starting learning about the back stage stuff and I was hooked again,



    It was funny cause I kept telling my friends that WWF was better then WCW yet they were stuck on the guys they remembered from our youth. But then after Wrestlemania 14 all of a sudden everyone is an Austin fan and WWF is cool again and WCW sucks.

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  99. Single brand PPVs were just a fucking awful idea.

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  100. Triple H and Candice Michelle getting oral under a table was the saddest sign of them still trying to push the envelope

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  101. Wasn't Scotsman the one who won the WM trip a few years ago courtesy of some Mick Foley contest, and then in his report proceeded to brag about all the times he and his friend tried to drop insider terms and knowledge around the wrestlers only to receive awkward silences and "the fuck is wrong with you, idiot?" looks?

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  109. And Hogan spins another one of his tall tales, about how Macho's doctor told Hulk that the day he took his mom in for an appointment, the doc wanted Mach to have some sort of heart test. Had he done that, Doctor Hulk sez, he wouldn't have had the heart attack that led to his death. I'm pretty sure there are HIPA lawas preventing doctors from sharing that kind of info with other patients, even if it involves a dead guy.

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  110. What books are in the "Kindle Lending Library?" Specifically, any chess strategy books? I was thinking about buying a Kindle for access to the library (since I'm already and Amazon Prime member anyway).

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  111. Problem is Lanny' s speech was awful and the HoF should not be headlined by some dude spouting grade school poetry.

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  112. Also Hogan wore yellow tights because of Angelo Poffo, and was inspired to grow bitch titties cause of Elizabeth.

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  113. They don't have to make a 90 minute documentary. They can make a 3 hour one if they want. We shouldn't have to choose between "thoughtful personal history" and "thorough professional history." We should get both.

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  114. Oh, Punk and AJ won't give a shit. But WWE (i.e. Vince) is vindictive enough to do it anyway.

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  115. The weird part is I've never been to Minnesota

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  116. Yeah, Hogan getting the very last word on the documentary.. something else that could have been improved.

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  117. Yep. And even if Lanny was OK with it, I just don't like Hogan inducting Macho Man into the HOF. Even if he's not the greatest speaker in the world, Steamboat would have been perfectly appropriate. Otherwise, DDP could have made sense, and he can speak well.

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  118. Sit back, close your eyes and imagine a Randy Savage HOF speech. What would he possibly say?

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  119. Last three wrestling docs I watched: The Sheik, Tales of Masked Men, and Wrestling for Jesus. All were pretty good.

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  120. "hulk hogan, I've got one thing to say to you brother" (lower voice) "but a brother who isn't *really* a brother, you know what I'm saying" (now shouting, rips glasses off) "BE A MAN HOGAN!! LUST IN YOUR EYES!! LUST IN YOUR EYES!!" (Mic cuts out, security comes)
    "DIG IT!"

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  121. Savage was a lunatic for over a decade, and the IWC (myself included) treats him like a wrestling god.

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  122. The hbk one was pretty good as well

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  123. I agree warrior was ahead of the others he knew the business and knew what he meant to the wwf. He was the only guy before austin to get close to hogan on the money scale.to me hes like a c.m punk.

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  124. Hogan absolutely made the most sense. He's the person most commonly associated with Savage. Frankly it would have seemed strange for anybody else to do it.

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  125. Way off topic, but what's the deal with some of the blurring/censoring of WWF on recent shows like the Hall of Fame and on WWE.com photos of the Attitude Era belt? I thought they no longer had to censor any WWF mentions.

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  126. Razor agreed to go to WCW first back in FEB 96. Nash decided a week or so after.

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  127. The IWC also doesn't generally like "slaves to the script", and yet that was Savage's entire in-ring career.

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  128. I think his 'ramblings' were a breath of fresh air then the constant politically correct nonsense forced upon us daily. I don't agree with everything he's said but he brings some interesting perspectives and supports his points well so to dismiss him because you might be more liberal is sadly misguided.

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  129. "I remember the way Savage fucked me the same way my father fucked the feds in 1994".

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  130. I actually thought the hall of fame on a whole got very little publicity this year. The most coverage was by far given to Connor and the guy who headlined last year.

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  131. the hall of fame on a whole got very little publicity this year. The most coverage was by far given to Connor and the guy who headlined last year.

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  132. Ohhh everyone's talking bout the rumor you know what I'm saying yeah THEYWANTTOKNOW if it's true you know what I'm talking about brother the horizontal shuffle with the first daughter FREAK OUT TRIPLE H I'm thinking thinking time to admit that sometimes the Skelton you find when you open the old closet IT'S THE SKELTON YOU KNOW WAS THERE ALL ALONG you know what I'm thinking saying man OH YEEEAAHHH.

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  133. It was supposed to be a play on how the economy collapsing was affecting the gainfully employed. It was still believe able IMO.

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  134. Well the guy has wrestled entire countries!

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  135. He also hates ducks!

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  136. A couple times that year....that's all

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  137. I've never gotten why the script thing would bug anybody as a fan. We're not privy to the nuts-and-bolts of putting a match together when it happens, just the end result.

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  138. In general, script guys = not good workers. Warrior, Goldberg, Shane Douglas had some eh matches.......

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  139. But fans only know "script guys" when they're told who it is. All that matters is the end result. Savage had more great matches than most wrestlers in the history of this country. DDP had a lot of great ones too. Bret wasn't a "script guy," but liked to plan out matches.

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  140. If Steiner never said that, you should be a "member of creative." That made me laugh out loud.

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  141. if only warrior could be as self righteous as a condescending liberal

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