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Hi Scott

Humour me for 2 minutes and run through these 10 words/phrases and say which WRESTLER comes to mind first.  Don't think about it - just whoever immediately pops into your head. I think it will not only tell us a lot about your fandom, but also something about wrestlers with genuine legacies.  So...


1.  WCW

​Ric Flair.  ​

2.  Intercontinental Title

​Honky Tonk Man.  ​

3.  Canada

​Bret Hart.
4.  ECW

​Paul Heyman.
5.  Attitude Era

​Steve Austin.  
6.  Wrestlemania

​Shawn Michaels.  ​

7.  Tag Team

​Hart Foundation.  
8.  NWA Champion

​Harley Race.  ​

9.  Raw

​Vince McMahon.  ​

10.  Starrcade

​Dusty Rhodes.  ​


Sent from my iPhone

​Kofi Kingston.  ​

Comments

  1. 1. Bischoff
    2. Honky
    3. Bret
    4. Sandman
    5. Vince
    6. Hogan
    7. Harts
    8. Flair
    9. Austin
    10. Flair


    Raw was the only one that didn't immediately lead me to a name.

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  2. This. Remember the story from Jericho's first book where Bischoff literally said they were gonna have the nWo help him win the TV title for no reason and they'd figure out an explanation later (which they never did)?

    The nWo completely dominated WCW's creative focus because Bischoff was over the moon that he'd come up with/stolen an idea that trumped Vince. He never bothered coming up with anything else for anyone else, at that time or since.

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  3. I agree the DX Tank is the first thing that comes to mind when thinking NWA Champion

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  4. ROCK-em SOCK-em Robot!!!!April 25, 2015 at 8:04 AM

    See Mike, smoking is bad.

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  5. I'll play.

    1. WCW


    ​Cruiserweights. I started watching in 1998, and this is what differentiated them from WWF to me.


    2. Intercontinental Title


    ​The Rock, but that's probably because I'm watching the Attitude Era Raws on the Network right now.


    3. Canada


    ​Benoit/Jericho.

    4. ECW


    ​Paul Heyman.

    5. Attitude Era


    ​Stone Cold.

    6. Wrestlemania


    ​Undertaker, for better or worse.

    7. Tag Team



    ​For the benefit of those with flash photography...

    8. NWA Champion


    ​Flair. ​

    9. Raw


    ​Triple H, for better or worse. I thankfully skipped his reign of terror but it's one of the many reasons I think he's the most associative wrestler to this particular show, longevity being the main one.
    10. Starrcade


    ​Goldberg, since the matches with Nash and Hart are two of the only three Starrcade main events I can remember watching. Fuck a Starrcade.

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  6. 1. WCW

    ​Sting.

    2. Intercontinental Title

    ​Ultimate Warrior, for some reason.

    3. Canada

    ​Bret.

    4. ECW

    ​RVD.

    5. Attitude Era

    ​Austin.

    6. Wrestlemania

    ​HBK.

    7. Tag Team

    ​Owen/Bulldog.

    8. NWA Champion

    ​Flair.

    9. Raw

    ​Austin.

    10. Starrcade

    Kevin Nash. And cattle prods.

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  7. You know, for WCW's Wrestlemania, Starrcade had a ton of triple-coilers.

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  8. Gotta admit, DX was my first thought as well.

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  9. Plus, Sting and Hogan were never close in WCW. They had common enemies, were allied at times, but they never felt like they anything more than an uneasy coexistence where neither guy fully trusted the other.

    Hogan turning on Sting would have felt like playing out the expected.

    Hogan turning on Savage, no matter how often they did it to each other, always felt, as you said, like a shocking betrayal.

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  10. That escalated quickly

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  11. The small rings made WCW forever number two for me, even when they were in front with the ratings. It just looked second rate.

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  12. 1. now
    2. Randy Savage
    3. Bret Hart
    4. Paul Hey man
    5. Steve Austin
    6. Hulk Hogan
    7. Demolition
    8. Ric Flair
    9. Steve Austin
    10. Ric Flair

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  13. Keep the title on Flair, have Hogan beat the man that was WCW for the title

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  14. Huh, never heard of him. Is he related to Maggle?

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  15. Doctor FunkopolisApril 25, 2015 at 8:37 AM

    Luger beating Giant and losing to Hogan would've been an ok reason for Giant to join the NWO.

    "You guys put me in there with Luger because you thought I wasn't good enough, so now I'm NWO to make you all pay."

    Simple enough.

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  16. The title picture was irrelevant. The nWo was the star and it didn't matter who Hogan beat. They could have paid off the DDP thing and let him win the title. Then Hogan could just beat him at Road Wild or whatever

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  17. Oh this post is about the Giant. Hmmmm.....I wonder if Hall and Nash got paid more than him for Road Wild

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  18. This was my question, so thanks for tackling it Scott. I just find this to be one of the most intriguing "what if?" periods in wrestling. You've got a really young and dominant world champ, who is improving week by week and incredibly agile for a big man...you've got a reformed Horsemen straddling the line between heel and face, depending on who they go after, Steven Regal doing a brilliant heel act, the arrival of Rey Misterio Jr...but it all gets subsumed by the nWo angle. Especially the Giant, who loses the title, then joins the nWo, and kicks off his endless round of turning face and heel and who never seems as motivated again.

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  19. I liked the fact that everyone in WCW was a defacto face even if they were heels. For me it added to the reality of the angle.

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  20. They shoulda screwed the PPV audience and postponed the main event. There was NO WAY they were going to top anything that came in the prior two segments, so why not go outside the box? The Outsiders lay out Bischoff, some lower card guys come out to check on him, then they get destroyed, too, before Sting, Luger, Steiners, and a few other relatively big names stand up to them and see Hall and Nash retreat thru the crowd. We get a few minutes of just chaos and the cameras pick up Luger saying he's not going to fight tonight. No sign off, no anything, show just fades to black with no commentary. Really put over how these guys are messing up everything.

    Postpone the title match til Nitro, and bill it as the winner also gets to pick his partners to take on The Outsiders at BATB. If you're gonna turn Giant later, give Lex the title, and then it's a bigger deal when the World Champion gets knocked out of the BATB six man. Then Lex can challenge Hogan afterward for Hog Wild. Maybe run Sting/Savage vs Outsiders (what we pretty much had at BATB) in a street fight or something.

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  21. 1. WCW: Sting
    2. Intercontinental Title: Mr. Perfect

    3. Canada: Bret Hart

    4. ECW: Heyman

    5. Attitude Era: Austin
    6. Wrestlemania: Vince

    7. Tag Team: Demolition
    8. NWA Champion: Flair

    9. Raw: Austin
    10. Starrcade: Sting

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  22. 1. WCW: Ric Flair
    2. Intercontinental Title: Chris Jericho
    3. Canada: Bret Hart
    4. ECW: Sandman
    5. Attitude era: Austin
    6. WrestleMania: Hulk Hogan
    7. Tag Team: Edge & Christian
    8. NWA Champion: Ric Flair
    9. Raw: Austin
    10. Starrcade: Sting

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  23. TseugThatsGuestSpeltBackwardsApril 25, 2015 at 9:04 AM

    You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!

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  24. Big Bubba v. John Tenta Sock Full of Quarters on a poll match at BATB was ( . Y . ) , thats why the feud must continue damn it!

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  25. AverageJoeEverymanApril 25, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Or charisma

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  26. If this were a WWE feature, HHH would be the correct answer for ALL of them

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  27. Heenan's beef with Schiavone was that he would hide the finishes from them and make himself look smartest. His anger with Schiavone came from the objections to Heenan saying a goodbye to Monsoon on air.

    To Schiavone's credit he said he deserved the shade and still wanted to personally apologize to Heenan for the way he acted. And he seemed pretty sincere about it.

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  28. It's the size of a frying pan.

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  29. HHH is the answer for 2,5,6 and 9.

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  30. Wwe network also still crashes my roku. Bryan Alvarez reported that it's happening alot and that it relates to WWE being cheap with some of the compression stream software

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  31. 1. WCW

    Sting

    2. Intercontinental Title
    ​Shawn and Razor (tie) ​
    3. Canada
    Bret Hart.
    ​4. ECW
    Joey Styles unique distinct commentary

    ​5. Attitude Era
    DX

    ​6. Wrestlemania
    Hogan

    7. Tag Team

    Outsiders

    ​8. NWA Champion

    ​Flair ​9. Raw
    Austin ​
    10. Starrcade
    Hogan v Sting (most psyched I have ever been for a match) ​
    Sent from my iPhone
    Zack Ryder ​

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  32. Really? Is there footage of it, or was it in writing or in person?

    No idea why I have found this so fascinating through the years. I just want those two to get along.

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  33. Look up the old Ross Report with Schiavone on it. They go into pretty good detail. And look up any Heenan shoot for his comments on that and the Monsoon stuff. I'm kind of fascinated by it too.

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  34. Harlem Heat the biggest heels of the night to the redneck biker crowd.

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  35. Really part of the end game, or one of them at least, should have been The Giant becoming an ubber face.

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  36. Quite frankly they should have danced to win the crowd over.

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  37. They were skeptical whether Hogan would actually turn up until the day of the show so I'm guessing they didn't put any long-term plans in motion for his heel turn.

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  38. Wrong.

    The answer to all of these is Triple H.

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  39. (*@^)(@#^*)#^#^#^

    Health concerns usually top the list of reasons people give for quitting smoking. This is a very real concern: smoking harms nearly every organ of the body.

    http://quitsmokingcommunity.org/1

    "NO SMOKING"

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  40. )(*^*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*

    Smoking also makes your body get rid of some drugs faster than usual. When you quit smoking, it may change the levels of these drugs. Though it’s not truly withdrawal, this change can cause problems and add to the discomfort of quitting.

    http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/5

    "NO SMOKING"

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  41. WCW: HHH singly handily put out of business
    IC belt HHH 5 time champion
    Canada: HHH wasn't born there who gives a shit
    4. ECW HHH was too big to wrestle there
    5. Attitude Era: HHH Saved the WWE
    6. Wrestlemania HHH
    7. Tag Team: HHH and ..that guy...uhm....wore chaps I think...Micheal something
    8. NWA Champion: should have been Terra Ryzing
    9. Raw: HHH
    10 Starrcade: doesn't matter until they do StarCade and it stars HHH

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  42. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonApril 25, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    1. WCW


    Sting ​


    2. Intercontinental Title


    Savage ​


    3. Canada


    ​Bret Hart.

    4. ECW


    Raven

    5. Attitude Era


    ​Steve Austin.

    6. Wrestlemania


    ​Shawn Michaels. ​

    7. Tag Team



    Midnight Express

    8. NWA Champion


    Flair ​

    9. Raw


    Cena ​
    10. Starrcade


    Flair ​

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  43. The Giant going NWO was a last-minute decision, as WCW thought they had Davey Boy Smith signed, sealed, and delivered, but he changed his mind and re-upped at the last moment with the WWF. Giant vs. Nash was supposed to be a big program, and in retrospect the whole deal with Giant going NWO was a mistake--Sullivan never liked doing it because he didn't fit as an ex-WWF guy.

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  44. 1.WCW Goldberg
    2.Intercontinental Championship Razor Ramon
    3.Canada Bret Hart
    4.ECW Paul heyman
    5.Attiude Era Steve Austin
    6.Wrestlemania Undertaker
    7. Tag Team Edge and Christian
    8.NWA Championship Eazy E (Sorry too young for the wrestling NWA)
    9.Raw Triple H
    10.Starrcade Sting

    Sent from my Iphone Tyler Breeze

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  45. WCW: Brad Armstrong
    IC: Road Dogg
    3. Canada: Bruce Hart
    4. ECW: Ian Rotten
    5. Attitude Era: Beaver Cleavage
    6. Wrestlemania: Rocky Miavia
    7: Tag Team: Young Mother Fucking Stallions
    8: NWA Champion: Ronnie Garvin
    9: Raw: Bastin Booger
    10: Starrcade: Nick Patrick
    wait....what are we doing?

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  46. Listening now. Can't believe I missed this episode. Thank you! A shame it's so short though. The stories Tony could tell...

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  47. Liked it better when I said it first. . .

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  48. Surprising how many different answers have been given to the WCW wrestler.

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  49. Luger giant was good too

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  50. Serious answers:
    WCW: Sting
    IC: Honky
    Canada: Bret
    ECW: Dreamer
    Attitude: Austin
    Mania: HBK
    Tag Team: Demolition
    NWA Champion: Flair
    Raw: HHH
    Starrcade: Flair

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  51. Bret as the 3rd man to take over the dirty stinky rotten WCW.

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  52. So this is where they finally confirm the Horsemen are a unit to set up what felt like 8 years of Jeff Jarrett kind of being a member but nobody really liking him so he kind of wasn't.

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  53. Hogan would have been back in the WWF in 1997 as a Midcard act with the IC title if that would have happened. May have gotten back in the main event by late 1998.

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  54. They gave him Loch Ness' music and I was hoping Loch Ness was returning to squash Malenko.

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  55. WCW: Sting
    IC: Perfect
    Canada: Bret
    ECW: Raven
    Attitude: Austin
    Mania: Hogan
    Tag Team: LOD
    NWA: Flair
    Raw: Austin
    Starcade: Flair
    Sent from my iPhone: Seth Rollins

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  56. Where is Just Joe - aka Joe E. Legend on that list?

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  57. Someone finally got it right.

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  58. Hey, someone should make a super-hilarious Triple H joke! Why has no one done that yet?

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  59. Hey - he worked three matches while on the Panthers. After that they had no competes clauses for injury purposes. He was better than Bill Fradeuck.

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  60. Big Show is a legend. If there was a second major promotion - he'd be your world champ.

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  61. I fall asleep every time I try to watch Hogan vs. Piper from Starrcade - but kind of like the disasterous Hogan vs. Warrior II match from Halloween Havoc. What is wrong with me?

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  62. I know Kevin Greene had to stop wrestling because the NFL started disallowing their players from wrestling, but that was in 1998 and Greene retired after the 1999 season. Was there ever talk of him coming back to WCW in 2000? Had the people who liked him all left or did he want to avoid the clusterfrick that WCW had become by that point or did he just get bored with wrestling and move on to other things?

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  63. Savage had slapped Hogan in the face and brained him in the head with the championship belt in 1989. That was a good enough reason to leg drop Savage for the turn.

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  64. I had totally forgotten about Loch Ness so rewatching him on the Network made me think "Huh, they gave him Mysterios old music." I believe that was the Zodiacs too?

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  65. how about Terra Ryzin being the answer to WCW??

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  66. I didn't know that in 1996 that it had been Zodiacs - but to me the music fit a shark (not John Tenta).

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  67. I'm still sad that Hogan vs. Mongo never happened. Even Steve Austin got to better Bongo.

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  68. Yeah. They had disagreements in the past but they settled it like men in the ring. This was just a cheap shot for no reason.

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  69. But you don't matter. I do.

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  70. Not copying any of Scott's answers:


    1: Four Horsemen
    2: Randy Savage
    3: Lance Storm
    4: Raven
    5: Mr. McMahon
    6: Undertaker
    7: Midnight Express
    8: Ric Flair
    9: Steve Austin
    10: Ric Flair


    iPhone: Dixie Carter.


    Scott took my first choices on 3, 5, 8, and 9. Most of his others would have been in my first three.

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  71. "Yep Mode" Abeyance Brown ©April 25, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Sent from my iPhone: JTG.

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  72. Sting/Regal is one of my favorite forgotten matches ever; Especially because of the twists on the usual Sting spots, like blocking the Stinger splash.

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  73. He just never really fit into the nWo. He wasn't ready to do anything more than be a really big guy who went "ARGH!" a lot.

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  74. WCW: Sting
    Intercontinental Title: Ultimate Warrior
    Canada: Bret Hart
    ECW: Tommy Dreamer
    Attitude Era: Stone Cold
    WrestleMania: Hulk Hogan
    Tag Team: Road Warriors
    NWA Champion: Ric Flair
    RAW: The Rock
    Starrcade: Ric Flair
    Sent from my iPhone: Kevin Nash

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  75. Is there a way to have threads auto-posted?

    B/c we really need that for weekend daily threads. We have 4 or 5 people who have posting privileges and yet there's no daily thread up

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  76. you undersold ec3 speech, that was hilarious can't wait for him to become world champion

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  77. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 25, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    I'll post one.

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  78. Following the Davey contract saga in the Observers is interesting, because at first Dave is absolutely certain that Bulldog giving notice is just a bargaining tactic, and then I guess as it went along WCW started throwing more and more money at him. For a guy who tanked multiple PPV main events! He would have been a really weird fit in the group, too.

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  79. Cool dude

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  80. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 25, 2015 at 1:35 PM

    Or cruiserweights. They HATED Malenko and Benoit and their ****1\2 match.

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  81. I really wish they'd put the Japan Supershows on the Network. I wonder if WCW actually owned the rights or if they presented it and had WCW announcers do the voice overs, ala the Global Force/Wrestle Kingdom deal.

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  82. He really didn't have that cool/gang personality the initial nWo had.

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  83. And Giant was only in the nWo a couple of months, so there was really no point to it.

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  84. Good point. 2001 is a pretty good year for PPVs. Yeah, the Invasion wasn't what it could be and the Attitude Era "ended" at Mania, but overall it's a solid year of PPVs.

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  85. 1. WCW: Sting
    2. IC: Honky Tonk Man
    3. Canada: Bret Hart
    4. ECW: Raven
    5. Attitude Era: Stone Cold
    6. Wrestlemania: Hulk Hogan
    7: Tag Team: Road Warriors
    8: NWA Champion: Dusty Rhodes
    9: Raw: Shawn Michaels
    10: Starrcade: Ric Flair
    Sent from my iPhone: Paul Heyman

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  86. I think Bischoff was so tied up in the NWO stuff that he just kind of let everything else go because it was working. He hated the Horsemen and was never going to give them a fair shake.


    Plus, it made more sense to have all of WCW have to band together in order to try and take down the NWO. This PPV through Fall Brawl is just fantastic stuff with real motives.

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  87. In a matter of a month, it seemed completely reasonable that two guys with baseball bats could take out an entire wrestling company.

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  88. If the stories are true, Rey got a standing ovation from the boys in the back upon walking through the curtain after the match. It's one of the greatest star making performances in the history of wrestling.

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  89. I think it's just an oversight. Probably just because of the category they fell in -- much like the No Holds Barred Movie/Match PPV and the WWF Hot Ticket series (Wrestlemania: History and Heroes and Hulk Hogan: A Real American Story) the JSS shows were 'special events' that were non-live, cut-rate shows. They still have the WCW production credits.

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  90. In Diana's book she mentions him negotiating with WCW and Hogan calling to talk him into it but he didn't like how his first run went there so he really wasn't serious about jumping.

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  91. I still remember Malenko's shining moment when he had that monster face pop when he was disguised as some luchador only to unmask and beat the ever-loving shit out of Jericho. I think that was Slamboree '98.

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  92. I disagree and preferred WCW's rings at that time because the mat seemed more solid or boxing-like than WWE's, which were always bouncier to me, in comparison. I always pictured WWE guys being on a trampoline compared to WCW wrestlers at the time.

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  93. Nash almost broke Wight's neck the last time he powerbombed him.

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  94. Yeah, they do. Maybe they'll do a big international themed dump of PPVs. I know the England shows are on there (One Night Only, Rebellion, etc...) but it would be great to see When Worlds Collide, Collision in Korea, and the Global Warning PPV WWE did in Australia.

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  95. Jericho was such an awesome heel he got a guy over that wasn't even on tv. Classic bully gets what's coming to him story.

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  96. Yeah, Jericho did give Malenko a boost there but so did Dean, especially behind the scenes in terms of his in-ring ability. Of course, Malenko never rose to Jericho's heights but he was a very underrated worker and one of my personal favorites at the time.

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  97. As a former Pro-Bowl NFL player and key contributor to a Super Bowl Champion, yeah, he was a badass...who happened to be shit in-ring. But he sold his role well in WCW.

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  98. It doesn't help that the company was being booked on cocktail napkins between lapdances at The Gold Club...

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  99. I accepted in 1996 because I figured you could reason that Hogan literally "knocked some sense into him" and because Hogan and Sullivan both tried to kayfaybe him as Andre's son in 1995 - I kind of accepted it. But then it only lasted three months once they went a different direction with the nWo. I thought Show was good as a face - but not really a good heel once you got rid of the cartoon stuff.

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  100. At least the end of his first one allowed WCW to debut The Boss (and man, is he big). You think Eric would have know the lawyers would call when Hall and Nash showed up on Nitro after having Boss Man show up as the Boss Man. Vince apparently had no hard feelings for Traylor, because his second run lasted from 1998-2002 and who knows if he hadn't died in 2004/06 that maybe he'd get a legends run or a TNA paycheck as a bodyguard gimmick.

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  101. Sadly that was true. I think the infamous drunk Hennig show where Bischoff drops a F-word on a live mic thinking it was dead was when I knew how messed up that promotion was.

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  102. Do it when you get at work in the morning or during your break. Don't worry about it right now. Work on it when you can - don't rush it.

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  103. In June 1996 - I didn't totally buy Luger as a face due to the heel stuff. I was convinced he was the third guy and jobbing to Giant was just a smokescreen.

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  104. Just seems like WCW didn't know what to do with The Giant in general. He farted around, did nothing with the nWo, then did nothing once turning in them.

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  105. "Ween" Dean AndrewsApril 25, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    1-10: DA MOUNTIE~!

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  106. Sent from my iPhone: Matt Striker...or Seth Rollins

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  107. Hell, even Vader destroying Monsoon was pretty amazing for that time.

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  108. Adam "Colorado" CurryApril 25, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    I know, that's why it isn't a good idea.

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  109. I forgot about Big Lazy damn near crippling Show.

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  110. Track this down? The Network is free for the month. You can literally watch it right this second for nothing.

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  111. I literally starting laughing out loud when he started shouting that. It was perfect.

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  112. One thing Scott didn't mention that I thought was a nice touch was that Tony told a story about asking Mongo why he would have left the Bears for their rivals the Green Bay Packers and Mongo's answer was, "Money." Plan and simple. Tony told it as just an antidote but when Debra came out with the briefcase of money it looked like foreshadowing. Was very nicely done.

    I also liked how Tony and Dusty kept pointing out how the football guys were showing their greenness by hitting big moves and not going for covers. Then it was really paid off right before Arn clipped Greene; he hit a big move and got up and started dancing and celebrating, like a goof, facing his partner and not Arn, then he got clipped. Really told a good in match story.

    On a totally different side note: that Frankensteiner on Norton was terrible. I always hated Norton.

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  113. Underrated worker? He was/is hailed as one of the best workers of all time.

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  114. Fat, Ugly Inner-City SweathogApril 26, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    I feel like they should have saved the Piper thing for 97 and had Luger chase Hogan to Starrcade 96. Nwo dominates for months,Lex finally gives WCW hope by winnin WW3,challenges Hogan for Starrcade. Turn Savage at that show, paying off the contentious relationship with Luger and making Macho nwo. Rip the fans hearts out and make it look bleak for WCW. The good guys challenge the nWo for the first Souled Out, three on three, only this time WCW promises a surprise third man. Luger, Flair and a mystery man vs Savage, Hall, Nash with people expecting Sting. Roddy piper shows up as third man, Hogan shits, and WCW gets the win at nWo's own ppv. Do Hogan vs Piper, Luger vs Macho before bringing Sting back WCW 4 life

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  115. "Also, a butt, if you will, to the face." -- Dusty during Tenta/Bubber

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  116. seriously. some the people here just beat jokes to death and still think they are being so witty and clever. bret/tears jokes are a perfect example

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  117. Backlash 00/Judgment Day 00

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  118. Dollhouse is pretty awesome so far. I hope we can see some good matches from them in the future. Dollhouse vs Havok/Kong/Kim anyone?

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