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Quick and Easy Blog Question

Hi Scott,

 

On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think it is that the following will turn up in NXT at some point, either as quick one-off appearances, or in a more involved role?

 

And (on the same scale) how much would you want them to be involved there?

Daniels

Kazarian

Styles

Samoa Joe

John Morrison

Bully/Bubba Ray

Shelton Benjamin

 

And do you think the WWE will try to get any more big Japanese names into NXT – someone like Nakamura, for example?

 

​That's neither a quick nor easy question.  That's multiple questions with multiple parts.  Just saying.


​Daniels:  1.  Too old for developmental, makes more money on the indies and has no shot of making the main roster anyway.


Kaz:  1.  Same answer.


Styles:  1.  They already offered him a deal and he turned it down for New Japan.  


Samoa Joe:  10.  Coming in July.


JoMo:  5.  He'll probably end up coming right back to the RAW roster when he returns, but I could see him doing a one-shot at some point.


Bully Ray:  1. Not worth it to him when he could be promoting his own stuff or whatever.  


Shelton:  10.  He's already there as "Angelo Dawkins".  Duh.


Nakamura is too old for them I'm pretty sure, but they've openly made a play for Okada and will probably end up getting him at some point.  

Comments

  1. Shelton appearing in NXT would do nothing but disappoint people.

    I was one of those that thought he was going to be a sensation in ROH when he and Haas debuted because it would give him a chance to cut loose. Instead, both he AND Haas were exposed as lazy. Shelton in particular has been coasting for more than a decade, still riding off the wave of his big match with Michaels and a couple of spots in ladder matches.

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  2. Unless they are well connected (Samoa Joe) or can potentially bring an international audience (Itami, Balor), I think very few wrestlers 33 or older have a chance of making the NXT roster. WWE can just create their own American wrestlers from 25 year old athletes who don't make the big leagues

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  3. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 8:18 AM

    Everytime WWE offers a deal to Okada NJPW up his salary. He's the heir of NJPW throne.

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  4. Wait, when did they offer Okada? Okada backed by Heyman would be all kinds of awesome -- until he jobs to HHH, Cena, and maybe Sarah Taker. Vince hasn't forgotten Pearl Harbor.

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  5. Shelton and Bubba should be brought in to work with and develop the talent.

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  6. Is there even a market for Morrison? If they want an athletic guy that doesn't put together the greatest of matches and sucks on the mic, they have ziggler for that.

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  7. How could he forget? He just found out last week

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  8. WWE needs as much proven talent as they can get. I don't think Mundo wants to be back there, though. If he did, he would have returned a long time ago.

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  9. Morisson is pretty entertaining, but WWE is not the right place for him, he is doing is best work to date in LU

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  10. It's true. Shelton was one of favourite wrestlers to watch based on the sheer athleticism he had (I think he's the best pure athlete ever in WWE). But then he stopped trying, it seems. Even his New Japan stuff, where he can really bust out, is kinda meh.

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  11. and all their creation kind of suck : Reigns, Corbin, Ryback, ...

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  12. He was pretty over when he left and would still be if he came back.

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  13. I like how we never get new references about "WWE gonna bury him!"

    It's always the Sara Taker joke from fifteen years ago or HHH from 13 years ago.

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  14. the classic are always the best

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  15. Reigns hardly sucks. Whoever was writing his promos does.

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  16. Which is hilarious considering Sara and Taker divorced and HHH has shown nothing but ass for two years.

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  17. he kind of do

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  18. I'm honestly having a hard time thinking of anybody they buried who wasn't a prominent WCW main eventer.

    And fuck anybody who says "Daniel Bryan."

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  19. Like how HHH put over Sting at Wrestlemania?

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  20. It's because those two guys are still around, picking up WM wins.

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  21. The Ryback doesn't suck!

    You suck!

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  22. Totally consistent with having the best match on three straight PPVs.

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  23. The Love-Matic Grampa!May 10, 2015 at 8:55 AM

    Vince finding out about cultural events decades later would be a great network show.

    "What do you mean we landed on the moon?!?"

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  24. Morrison is maybe a thousand times better than ziggler.

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  25. I get that. But Triple H is only wins "circus attraction" matches now and Cena intentionally de-elevated himself.

    And Sara Taker? Really?

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  26. The Love-Matic Grampa!May 10, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    Sting should be the new standard bearer for WWE burials. That was truly epic.

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  27. The Love-Matic Grampa!May 10, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Sara Taker pinning DDP was pretty egregious, though.

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  28. I don't know if that was a burial, Dougie, but Sting v. HHH was awful.

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  29. This is false.

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  30. Disagree. I don't really see makes Morrison a "thousand times" better than Ziggler. At least Ziggler hits his finisher

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  31. New troll in the house!

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  32. Yeah. But that was fifteen years ago. That's a longer amount of time than between Hogan winning the title and Austin winning the title.

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  33. Hey Osiris! Things slow at that other forum where you talk about how cool the BOD is?

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  34. The whole storyline was crap. Yea let's take one of the most over faces from WCW and turn him into a creepy stalker heel and then bury him

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  35. We were discussing whether it's creepy to lust after Alex after Modern Family

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  36. it's a shoot brother !

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  37. That was REALLY bad. But at least it was against a 60 year old instead of an up and comer.

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  38. They should have just set fire to a million dollars. It would have made them as much money and been less painful to watch.

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  39. that will teach him to not stay at home with his big WCW contract !

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  40. Yeah, but his finisher, like all his offense, sucks.

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  41. He hadn't been an over face for at least two years at that point.

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  42. I see why people don't like him, but I enjoy his matches and he has a connection to the crowd. Morrison seemed to be badly phoning it in toward the end

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  43. Next week, Cena vows to land on the moon before Rusev.

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  44. He was in the main event of the last ppv WCW did. He was as over as anyone in that dying company was at that point.

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  45. the miz also suck

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  46. I don't get Scott's Shelton Benjamin joke. Is it the "Vince thinks all black people look alike" thing again?

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  47. Do you think that's high praise? And Booker was waaaay more over. Ddp's peak as an over babyface was in 1997.

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  48. Disagree about Bully/Bubba Ray, he will end up a trainer and like The Brian Kendrick will make at least one appearance.

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  49. It says more about said PPVs than about Reigns

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  50. Yep. Dragging a four star match out of Big Show. Totally the PPVs fault.

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  51. Why the hell does Bubba keep going back to shitty TNA? Wwe won't hire his gf?

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  52. is that your own ratings ? Scott had it at ***1/4 wich is just ok

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  53. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    **1/2 at best, they overblown the table spots.

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  54. Disagree. I thought the match was a lot of fun and really helped put over Reigns

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  55. It is still surreal that this promotion exists as part of WWE.

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  56. 3 and a half is great.

    See, this is a five star system. 0 to 5. **1/2 is the center and thus "okay." ***1/2 is a full star above "just ok."

    So if we're treating Scott's grade as law, you're still wrong.

    Math is hard!

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  57. I liked him a lot. He's not great on the mic but he has excellent unspoken charisma, and he actually did cut decent enough promos when he was a serious face rather than a "dog-food breath" quip-slinging goofball face. His matches were generally highlights of the CM Punk as top guy on Smackdown era.

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  58. I really don't think they want poor Bubba.

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  59. No need to be condescending

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  60. I guess that's more du to the booking, but i hate how WWE try to cheat their way out of the stipulation by having the winner physically preventing the looser to stand up.
    Just let one man standing tall and the other down for the 10 count

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  61. Is Angelo Dawkins even still there?

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  62. He's also had a self-inflated view of his worth. WWE prob gave him a decent offer and he wanted more.

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  63. This! I get the sense that he has no real desire to go back. The only reason why he says that he's "open to coming back" during interviews is to leave some carny "never say never" level of doubt to fans who keep asking whether he will ever comes back. It's the same reason why Steve Austin usually says he's open to "one more match" when he has no real intention of ever wrestling again.

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  64. The WWE always posts the Best 25 Instagram photos of the week on Sunday and each week Brie Bella gets closer and closer to resembling a skeleton.

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  65. What was so loose about it?

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  66. There is absolutely no way Okada leaves NJPW for the WWE unless NJPW folds.

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  67. Also, it's never good to burn your bridges

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  68. Unless he did but it's not publicly known.

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  69. DDP was way past his prime.

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  70. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    Unless HHH sends him a ship full of money and Brock 2002 rocket push in his debut.

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  71. Which he won't.

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  72. DDP's peak was mid-98. I think those celebrity matches killed him.

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  73. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    And a harem of Italian, german, Brazilian hookers.

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  74. I am severely hung over. Help a brother out and suggest a PPV to watch on the network. Between the years 2004-08.

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  75. I keep saying it, but Ziggler is a great heel. And a mediocre face. The crowd liking him is inexplicable to me.

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  76. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Nikki Bella gets more beefy, good.

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  77. Well his girlfriend was cheating on him with a co worker and his boss had no respect for him because of it. No the best motivation to give your best

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  78. "Probably as good as you were going to get out of this" sound like an ok match, nothing more

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  79. Christ, I sent this email in months ago, I'm sure! Hahah!

    Was thinking of most of them as Kendrick-style one shots, rather than permanent fixtures, admittedly.

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  80. That might be the problem, they want Bubba but not Bully.

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  81. If they start being a touring brand, i can see some of these guys coming for a short period of time like Ryhno to put over some of NxT homegrown talents

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  82. Daniels could be the Terry Funk of NXT.

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  83. More freedom, less touring.

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  84. Adam "Colorado" CurryMay 10, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    Eat shit and die.

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  85. Judgment Day 08

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  86. You make me laugh so hard.

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  87. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Unforgiven 2008.
    Summerslam 2005
    Vengeance 2005
    Unforgiven 2006

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  88. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Eat shit too, Briscoe.

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  89. Vengeance 07

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  90. How into somebody the crowd is is a pretty accurate barometer of how good they are at being a face.

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  91. It's worrisome at this point

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  92. ThebrazilianpsychoMay 10, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Bryan, take to a restaurant.

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  93. Agree on that. Better offense, better look, better music, better name, better character that doesn't come across like a clown.


    I enjoy Ziggler too but I think Morrison's upside is way higher.

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  94. Random thought:

    I think the same cognitive conceit that keeps HHHH and SaraTaker burying DDP in our minds has benefited Daniels and AJ more than anybody.

    It's like we forget that these guys aren't just old they're approaching ancient for wrestlers. I don't know if it's selective blindness, indy bias or an indy blindspot, but Daniels has been prominent pretty much since 01. For some reason that whole invasion time period just stays fresh in our memories for some reason, instead of fifteen years ago where it belongs.

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  95. We're like 0.7 Daizee Haze here.

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  96. I've always thought that it would be a great idea to bring guys like that in for limited house show runs. Pump up the house a bit and let the younger guys work with experienced veterans ala what Jericho is doing now. I know I'd be more inclined to go to a random house show in my area if I could see Jericho or a guy like Daniels or Kazarian working with a younger guy rather than the usual Miz vs. R-Truth match I'd likely get.

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  97. Vince probably has a literal dead horse in Titan Towers somewhere with "WCW" spraypainted on it that he kicks every morning as a warmup before he goes to the gym.

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  98. I would argue that Christopher Daniels at 45 is still better than at least 65% of the current WWE roster.

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  99. Three years ago I'd agree but there's been a lot of talent come in since NXT existed.

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  100. Doesn't matter to WWE. Right now the mindset is to build stars from scratch, not scour the indies for the best lightweight flippy-dippies.

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  101. Haha, Gorilla and Alfred during a Billy Jack vs Hercules Hernandez match on Prime Time in 86:
    Gorilla: Billy Jack doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't use drugs,
    Alfred: Doesn't go out with girls.

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  102. Sara Taker is still around? I know Lillian gets "horse" jokes around here, but I'd still tap Lillian 8 times a week. I wouldn't touch Sara Taker with YOUR dick, or anyone else's for that matter.

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  103. Someone should go through the list again, this time rank the guys on their chances of starring in a Marine sequel

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  104. Dude, when Alfred Hayes is scoring off you, you must suck

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  105. Styles
    Daniels
    Morrison
    Bubba
    Shelton
    Joe
    Kaz

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  106. The Love-Matic Grampa!May 10, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Something to keep in mind: in the past, most wrestlers weren't even considered for headlining spots until they were nearly 40 (with some notable exceptions). The feeling was that you needed that time on the road and in different territories to hone your skills and develop a reputation. Granted, things are much different now, but just because a wrestler is on the wrong end of thirty doesn't mean that he's useless. Some guys are just finding their groove at that point.

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  107. Vegan restaurants probably aren't helping, she needs some steak.

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  108. In all due respect to Scott, he's not the law on star ratings. I think Meltz gave it 4-stars, and while I agree with that rating, it's not because Meltz said it. I thought it was a great match that utilized the gimmick to the best of their abilities.

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  109. I love Ricardo Mayorga. That guy is a pure heel and he ran out of fucks to give long ago.

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  110. Which one will go to the papers if he has to?

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  111. I've never got around to looking it up, but I wonder if Alfred was any good in the ring.

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  112. That and he also have a gimmick really close to the old World Greatest Tag Team with his partner

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  113. I am of the mind that Daniels has never been prominent.

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  114. He was decent; basic technical wrestler/British heel, but he had some good matches with Terry Funk and Billy Robinson.

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  115. That's where Austin got that from, right?

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  116. With Funk? Huh. In the states or in England?

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  117. Daniels is a freak of nature. He's as good now as he's ever been and he's wisely extending his career by being a part of a tag team.

    AJ is hitting his stride right now and went from being another guy on IMPACT to one of the best in the world. He regularly has incredible matches with Okada and Tanahashi and has somehow elevated the IWGP championship.

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  118. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    I've said it before: I don't know why I was there as Angelo Dawkins when I was already there as Percy Watson

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  119. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    WM 27

    You need to sleep the hangover off

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  120. WWE had a chance with Ray and they took away everything good about him at RR 2015 and turned him back into that horrible Dudley character. Then they did nothing with him. Their loss.

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  121. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Again?

    Never left!

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  122. Not really. By that logic any heel who gets cheered is a good face, regardless of the fact they're wrestling as a heel.

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  123. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    WILL YOU STOP?!

    No seriously, quit being mean :(

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  124. Cause it's all about the benjamins.

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  125. I think age isn't as significant of a factor as it was 15-20 years ago. With modern medicine and the fact that wrestlers generally take better care of their bodies than they did in the 80s and 90s plenty of guys can still go into their 40s or even their 50s. Its not like the old days where years of coke and steroids left them a shell of their former selves at age 40.

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  126. Awesome reference. Miss that girl.

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  127. It was a one shot deal.

    Are you really upset at the lack of character development during the 6 minute cameo?

    Personally, I would rather he comes back with D-Von, I think the Dudleys could bring a lot to the tag division.

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  128. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:45 AM

    My Stay Puft nagga

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  129. Am I irked that the guy reinvented himself and acted/wrestled/look like a star, and they turned him into a comedy character? Of course I am.

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  130. I still enjoy the Sports Reporters.

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  131. How's your Mother?

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  132. You mean you expected them to bring him in not as the superstar who wrestled for the company for years and their fans remember (and can see on the Network), but instead as a new character he created in an indy fed that has a fraction of the fanbase?

    Why on earth would WWE bring him in for that?

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  133. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    All about her today!

    AIN'T NO STOPPIN' HER... NOOOOOOWWWWWWWW

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  134. You'll note I said "(save for Sting)."

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  135. I'm getting the impression you're actually defending WWE throwing the guy out in a fucking comedy spot, and having him using Team 3D spots with R-Truth, which is some unfortunate implications shit if I've ever seen it. (D-Von isn't there? Shit, let's get another black guy... no one will notice the difference.)

    In which case, enjoy your day. I'm out.

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  136. Outstanding. Well, I have to go stomp around New York.

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  137. I think it's more a case of years on the independent circuit and HHH's belief that they'll have to un-learn 'bad habits' from the indies, which may block them from understanding WWE style, and also the investment in someone from a developmental perspective is lost if they're the wrong side of 30. Clearly there are exceptions as Steen is 31. Just looked at the rosters of TNA and ROH, and if I was raiding, can't think of anyone I want to get - maybe Bram and Magnus (both under 30), I know Bram was there and didn't work out, but maybe he's improved, and Magnus has the charisma. Roderick Strong from ROH maybe?

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  138. You expected the cameo to be a huge dramatic spot? Have you never watched a Rumble before? He was a tag team wrestler, why would he be the focus of the Rumble?

    Why does R-Truth's skin colour matter?

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  139. Counterpoint: when you're in your 40s and spent the majority of your career bumping on poorly constructed/barely padded rings on the Indy circuit and the healthcare options available to you should get injured are "go to the ER" or "go to Walgreens and get some aspirin and bandaids," those miles you put on are a lot rougher than they would have been in the WWE.

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  140. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    Heads up: they might try to cross the streams. Crazy, I know, but they're desperate.

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  141. Listen, I think it's impressive that he got into the best shape of his life that late in his career and yes, he made "Bully Ray" work, but that was in TNA. Shane Douglas worked in mid-90s ECW.

    Bully Ray would stick out like a sore thumb if he showed up anywhere near the WWE main event scene.

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  142. Crazy, I just watched that match!

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  143. The Messiah of the Backbreakingly Boring? Not a chance.

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  144. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 11:59 AM

    What sucks about the age thing is that there seems to be this believe that they older guys like the Addiction, Storm, and Roode somehow have to be indoctrinated before they make the main roster.

    Seriously, fuck that mindset. They know what the hell they're doing, they bring something different yet still "entertaining" and solid to their work. Just fucking sign them and let them loose. Not everyone has to go through WWE brainwashing

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  145. Isn't that pretty much what WWE says?

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  146. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    Not everything has to be WWE style.

    I know *they* don't believe that, but in the bigger picture, it's true.

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  147. Bram punched a cop and was fired, if he didn't he would be in one of the Ascension guy spot. The rumors are they were interested in the Briscoes, ACH and Moose

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  148. And don't forget: that was a Philly crowd. Yeah, they'd have popped for him regardless, but that crowd had a connection to Bubba Ray Dudley, not Bully Ray.

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  149. Maybe they had some sort of heat? Haynes wasn't the most stable guy.

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  150. I don't know what it means, but I knew the name Christopher Daniels and his ankh/dark priest thing back when I barely knew ANYTHING about the Indy scene.

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  151. Well said Bobby Lashley

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  152. Yes, he's part of SHOOT NATION. It's like his 18th gimmick.

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  153. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Hell, even I've made leaps and bounds in TNA!

    I think my title run(s) were quite good!

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  154. Briscoe chose to stay in Roh because the money WWE offered was not interesting enough and same for Moose who chose GFW

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  155. I think that was the point. Your health care options suck in both cases, but in the former you were at least taking bumps (and less risks) in a much safer environment.

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  156. The original Sin Cara really messed it up for more experienced wrestlers. If he didn't bomb so spectacularly than maybe they would let some bypass developmental.

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  157. You saw the interview when he was essentially begging them to let him back? He would've been "dancing bubba" if it meant getting a contract, man. I think you care about it a lot more than he does.

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  158. And TNA will make him world champion. WWE's probably thinking "jobbing to Baron Corbin" is more his level.

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  159. And Kenta would probably have bombed if he was thrown directly in the main roster, but no way people like Owens, Zayne or Balor need to spend years getting yelled at by DeMott

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  160. Stranger in the AlpsMay 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Open thread is up.
    Happy Mother's Day, especially to the baddest mother of them all, Shelton Benjamin.

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  161. And from what I understand, you're doing OK for yourself in New Japan.


    Call Lucha Underground, they could bring you in as Killshot's younger brother Tech-9.

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  162. Yeah, but with guys like Addiction, Storm and Roode, there's no need for them to go to developmental. They would be fine going to the main roster anyway. And besides, do you think they would need/want to be trained by Billy Gunn, Jason Albert, Norman Smiley and Robbie Brookside?

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  163. "it. (D-Von isn't there? Shit, let's get another black guy... no one will notice the difference.)"

    I hate to say this, but if the crowd popped...then they didn't. I think that's terrible too and an indictment on that crowd. But again it probably shows Wwe read the audience correctly.

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  164. There's no health insurance, but there's trainers and doctors backstage (no Punk jokes, please) and ice packs (no Rollins jokes, please) and so on.

    If you get hurt, there's someone there to check you out. If you get hurt at some VFW hall where you're wrestling for $20 and a pitcher of beer? Not so much.

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  165. And that's not a knock on the trainers, it's that Storm, Roode, Kaz and Daniels wouldn't want that at this stage in their careers anyway.

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  166. you mean the same audience that shit all over the rumble a few minutes later ? I wouldn't put too much fait in WWE audience reading skills

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  167. They would probably give them deal like Ryhno. I don't think he his training at the performance center between the tapings

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  168. Judging by their track record of signing former ROH world champs, I would imagine Elgin would go soon enough, and if they cared enough about the tag scene, Young Bucks.

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  169. He was an incredible heel manager. Age may have been the reason why Hayes was an announcer rather than a manager in the WWF.

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  170. Apparently the Bucks have heat with WWE because they turn down an invitation to a try out. If they want to sign a tag team they might as well go for ReDragon

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  171. I'm just saying on average more guys can still go at 40 nowadays than back then. Certainly less deaths at that age.

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  172. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    I honestly don't think they would go straight to the main roster, which is why I think a lot of them stay away even when there's interest on WWE's end, such was it might be.

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  173. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Right, but he's not main roster, either.

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  174. Shelton BenjaminMay 10, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    My Stranga

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  175. Probably because WWE's mindset is they have to go through developmental to be 'made ready for WWE TV' regardless of background.

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  176. To be fair if I was Bucks I wouldn't want to leave Bullet Club to sign with the E. Still probably the best stable to be in wrestling at the moment.

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  177. My point was that being annoyed at R Truth replacing DVon doesn't make much sense when directed at WWE - the audience reacted as if DVon *was* replaceable, so in this sense the WWE was right. That's an indictment of the audience, not of WWE.

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  178. Still makes me laugh that the briscoes put that out there and people believed it. There's no way wwe would want to deal with the headaches that come along with those two idiots.

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  179. So is HHH not allowed to ever win any matches at all?

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  180. Coincidently Bubba Ray just tweeted "it's not abouth who's next but where's NXT". So I would raise that from a one to a five at leaatm

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  181. WWE has paid for surgeries and such for in-ring injuries.

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  182. What does it have to do with race? It was the "WHASSSSUP Drop", and what's R-Truth's catchphrase? Oh yeah, "What's Up?" Make sense to me.

    If you think it has to do with the fact that R-Truth is black you're the one looking for race to complain about.

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  183. That spot was awesome. It was a good way to pop the Philly crowd and let him do all his nostalgic spots.


    Great booking by WWE and they should be commended.

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  184. Gillberg could tweet the same exact thing. Not only would the joke be funnier, but it's just as possible.

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  185. I'd rather see the Dudleys doing the Rhyno role on NXT and putting over new teams than seeing them on the main roster.

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  186. YES.


    He should either never wrestle again, or (if he's going to continue to pretend to be Vince McMahon on TV) never win again.

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  187. I just don't see the problem, personally. He beat a 56-year old in a one-off special attraction. And needed a ton of help to do so. It's not like he squashed Ziggler or Balor cleanly.

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