Saturday, June 20, 2015

Thunder - January 26, 2000

Thunder
Date: January 26, 2000
Location: MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada
Attendance: 6,323
Commentators: Tony Schiavone, Scott Hudson, Mike Tenay

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

We have a new World Champion in Sid Vicious but something tells me we're in for some shenanigans. In other news tonight, Terry Funk has promised to bring in reinforcements against Kevin Nash. I'm sure this has nothing to do with Arn Anderson talking to some guy named Champ who needed to be told to put on his pants. Let's get to it.


In case you were wondering, of the 6,323 in attendance, 2,510 were paid.

Quick recap of Nitro's World Title situation.

Gene calls out Sid for a chat to start. Sid must be on top of the world and talks about standing up for WCW on Monday. Well no one did for almost all of the NWO civil war (including Schiavone) so better late than never I guess. The NWO tried to block the powerbomb and he was still able to win anyway because it wasn't meant for the NWO to win every single match. That kind of thinking would get you fired back in 1997.

Cue Nash and the NWO with the boss saying this is one of the things he hates about being commissioner. As commissioner, he has to abide by the stipulations and the one from Monday was that Sid had to beat Ron Harris. He shows us a clip of Sid using the powerbomb, which hadn't been banned at that point in the show, and pinning the wrong Harris brother. Now we get to the stupid part: the clip continues to show Sid being counted out of the ring because the match against Ron never actually ended because Sid didn't pin him. Therefore, Sid didn't win.

So on Monday, the referee counted Sid out and had the decision announced, and THE SAME ANNOUNCE TEAM DIDN'T SEE THE NEED TO BRING THIS UP??? I get that some things have to be done differently in wrestling and you have to suspend some disbelief, but this goes into “there is no way someone could possibly be this stupid” territory. Anyway, since Sid didn't win on Monday, the World Champion is.....Kevin Nash.

However, tonight Sid will have a chance to get the title back inside Caged Heat against Ron Harris and Nash himself. However, the powerbomb is still banned and Sid has to pin Nash. Why Nash would do that isn't clear, but then again this is two title changes, Hell in a Cell and another World Title match in two days so I really shouldn't be surprised.

Gene reminds Maestro that he has never performed here at the MGM Grand. Maestro is offended and Symphony actually says “how rude”. Ok then.

The NWO has slot machines delivered to their locker room.

Maestro vs. Norman Smiley

Maestro comes out with his usual piano.....and Norman brings out a team of Las Vegas showgirls. The girls dance to the ring with Norman, who of course is wearing a white tuxedo and top hat because he's awesome like that, and do the spanking dance. Maestro jumps him from behind because he's a cultural swine. Smiley gets in a chair shot and it's already time for a ladder, which fits so well here for some reason.

The whip is reversed though and Maestro sends Norman face first into the ladder and it's time to go backstage. I'm going on a limb and assuming this is hardcore. Just thinking out loud of course. Norman is whipped into a bunch of things and then through a table as they find a sarcophagus. Well of course they do. Inside is.....the Kiss Demon, because demons live in coffins right? Norman is terrified and passes out so the Maestro covers him for the pin. It's not long enough to rate, but that may have been the most insane match I've seen this year and it didn't even run two minutes. That says a lot.

The NWO gambles a lot.

Liz and Luger have Sting memorabilia

Cruiserweight Title Tournament First Round: The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Iaukea vs. Kid Romeo

Just like on Nitro, Romeo starts fast and hits a quick Thesz press and sends Prince over the corner and out to the floor for a meeting with Paisley. They slug it out on the floor as Standards and Practices, in street clothes this week, are here with Ms. Hancock, who certainly isn't in street clothes. Well maybe on certain streets but not the most common ones.

Back inside and they slug it out as Hancock sits on the announcers' table. Romeo hits a spinwheel kick followed by an enziguri and a missile dropkick for two with Paisley offering a distraction. Romeo goes after her and gets nailed in the back, setting up a reverse suplex to send Prince to the second round. Can we see a bracket to this thing?

Jeff Jarrett hits on 18 and gets a 3 for 21.

Terry Funk vs. Kiss Demon

Yes, this is a thing that is happening. They slug it out to start (did you expect anything less?) and Funk takes over with some very lame headbutts. Some boot choking in the corner leads to Funk being thrown outside but he whips Demon into the barricade, because Terry Funk is the second biggest face in this company after Sid Vicious. Back in and Funk gets annoyed that his neckbreaker only gets two, so he takes a swing at the yellow bellied varmint Nick Patrick. Again, your hero in this match.

A low blow and butterfly suplex get two for Demon, because when you think of a demon, you think of butterflies and suplexes. Funk ducks a right hand and busts out the Tumbleweed, which you may know as Kiwi Roll. Basically it's a rolling sunset flip with Funk literally rolling him around in a circle before stopping for the pin.

Rating: D. Terry Funk, the second biggest face in this company, just had a match with the Kiss Demon. I want to hate this idea, but at least he's interacting with the younger guys. For some reason I can't imagine Nash actually knowing that the Demon wrestles for this company or that he's a character that actually exists. Points to Funk for that at least. And I do mean least.

Kidman vs. Vampiro

Rematch from Nitro where Kidman won a good match. Vampiro starts fast with a headlock and shoulder, followed by a pair of suplexes. This would seem to be your fast paced wrestling match of the night. I'm as shocked as you are that Kidman is in this role yet again. Kidman's right hands in the corner don't work that well and Vampiro sends him outside and then into the barricade. So Vampiro is a face but acting heelish here. Got it.

Back in and Vampiro's top rope spinwheel kick (a face move) gets two, followed by Kidman's hurricanrana for the same. More kicks from Vampiro look to set up an electric chair but Kidman victory rolls him for not a victory. YOU CAN'T POWERBOMB KIDMAN but he can bulldog you, only to have Vampiro crotch him on top for a super Nail in the Coffin for the pin.

Rating: C+. This has been another show where Kidman has the match of the night and I'm sure it's going to continue to get him nowhere. Well other than with Torrie but that's a different story. He's still fun to watch but you can add him to the list of people in WCW whose talents are being wasted while we get more Sid vs. Nash.

Some cops investigate gambling allegations against the NWO and there's a Wayne Newton look a like. This goes nowhere.

Total Package vs. Buff Bagwell

My levels of apathy towards Bagwell continue to reach new bounds. Buff takes over with a slam to start and we're already on the posing. I'm surprised they even bothered with a move to start. Luger knees him in the ribs but eats right hands in the corner, only to come back with an atomic drop.

Two Lex clotheslines lead to more posing and it's time to choke a lot. An elbow gets two and an elbow gets two and then Luger charges into an elbow. I've heard of someone being all elbows but a match being one? A low blow stops Buff's comeback but Buff is up first and does his usual generic offense. The Blockbuster connects but Liz comes in with the ball bat for the DQ.

Rating: D-. Good grief fire both of them. Luger somehow has even less of an offense than when he wasn't trying and Bagwell is getting even less entertaining than he already was. I guess it's time for Luger to start breaking everyone's arm in an attempt to make him an interesting killer but for some reason I don't see it working. These two fought WAY too many times over the years.

Post match Luger gets in more bat shots and goes to Pillmanize the arm but referees make the save.

3 Count had an autograph signing at the Nitro Grill when the Mamalukes came up and started a fight. Music haters.

3 Count vs. Mamalukes/Disco Inferno

We start with a performance but the band has to dropkick the Mamalukes off the apron. Some big dives take the Italians out again and Shane covers Vito for two to start. Shane hammers away in the corner but gets powerbombed out and kicked in the face for his efforts. Off to Johnny for several lifts on a military press, followed by Disco coming in to stomp away in the corner.

The middle rope elbow misses though and it's off to Evan. I'm not sure what to think about four dancers being in the same match. Fandango must have been watching this show. Evan speeds things up and cleans the bottom half of the house before it's off to Shannon as everything breaks down. The double hiptoss into a powerbomb plants Moore though, setting up the Last Dance from Disco for the pin.

Rating: D+. Nothing to see here and it's nice to see the champions get another win, even if it's at the expense of 3 Count. Yes they're stupid but they were so goofily entertaining that I can't help but like them. Disco is starting to find his groove as the manager/occasional partner too, which is good for him as he deserves a little something.

Post match Vito sings some Sinatra as the other two dance. This brings out David Flair, Crowbar and Daffney to clean house, allowing Crowbar to play air guitar as the others......dance?

Funk and Anderson are looking for Sid. I really hope this isn't revenge for London back in 1993.

This Week in WCW Motorsports.

Nash gives the roster a pep talk. Quote: “Let's go out there and put the old guys over!”

Booker T. vs. Jerry Flynn

Booker has to be able to win this right? Like, he has to. Jerry jumps him from behind to start and knocks Booker over the barricade. Please don't make Booker a hardcore guy. Jerry fires off a bunch of kicks inside but misses another one in the corner. Booker hits his signature kicks and the forearm, followed by the 110th Street Slam (whipping spinebuster) for the quick pin. Thank goodness.

Anderson and Funk have a meeting with Sid.

Ernest Miller reminds us that he's here and talks about loving Vegas to get the fans on his side....but then says he hates the people here. After some old school calling out a fat boy fan, it's time to dance. Disco, 3 Count, Ernest Miller. The money in this company is a dance team gimmick.

Kimberly says she's still friends with Buff even though she counted him down last week.

Nash has a meeting with the Harris Brothers in the back.

Finlay and Knobbs hug for some reason, allowing Knobbs to steal a wrench from Finlay's pocket. You would think Finlay would notice it missing.

Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Fit Finlay

Winner gets a shot at Knobbs for the Hardcore Title, which shows Knobbs to be a coward by stealing the wrench. My goodness why does the Hardcore Title have a better story than the US Title? Finlay grabs a headlock to start but his shoulder block has no effect. Back up and Bigelow splashes him in the corner as we see Knobbs watching from the back. Finlay gets tired of selling and rolls outside to set up a table.

An attempt at a suplex over the ropes and through the table is easily countered, allowing Bigelow to go up, only to miss the headbutt. It should be wrench times but Knobbs is a thief (maybe he can get a job in the criminal field once the wrestling thing stops working for him), Bigelow hits Greetings From Asbury Park (pretend Finlay's head hit the mat) for the pin.

The cage is lowered.

WCW World Title: Sid Vicious vs. Ron Harris vs. Kevin Nash

Inside Caged Heat, meaning the Cell and anyone can win but Sid must beat Nash. Also the powerbomb is banned. Nash is defending and Ron is in a suit. We again see the clip from Nitro which no one bothered to reference because WCW announcers are off having ham sandwiches and finger painting during commercials. The cage is chained shut as Harris and Nash double team Sid like you would expect them to do.

They head to the floor with Sid being knocked around the ring and Nash driving him into the cage wall. It works so well that Nash does it again twice in a row as this is total domination, as you would expect. For no apparent reason, Nash and Harris go inside for a few seconds before coming back outside to choke with a TV cable. They go inside again and, as in every triple threat ever, the two in control argue over who gets to cover.

Sid fights back for a bit until Nash gets in a shot to the ribs to take over. They head outside again with Sid going into the cage for I think the fifth time. We get some blood from the arm but Sid finally blocks a ram into the steel and takes over again. Harris is thrown inside for a chokeslam (with Ron landing on his arm) and Sid pulls Nash down into a Crossface of all things for the win and his second World Title in three days and the seventh World Title change in nine days.

Rating: D-. I don't know if that's meant as a knock on Benoit or just WCW trying to be cute, but I can't help but shake the idea that Nash would have never tapped to Benoit in a million years. This was just a step ahead of Kidman vs. the Wall inside the Cell, though it still ranks as probably the second worst Cell match of all time. There was no need for this to be in the cage, especially not two days after the first match. Also, odds on the submission not counting because Nash said Sid had to pin him?

Ric Flair of all people comes out to applaud Sid, which is called a passing of the torch.

Overall Rating: D+. This company has gone from slow as molasses one week to WOULD YOU PLEASE SLOW DOWN the next week. Things are going way too fast in the World Title scene and it's getting harder and harder to keep up and/or care at this point. Flair is a welcome sight as you know he'll be at least solid if not very good. There's good stuff on the show but the gap between the main event and midcard isn't going anywhere. Welcome back to 1998.


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173 comments:

  1. I think a injury to Nash killed the on going Nash stripping of the title thing. So I think this went nowhere.

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  2. Dr. Death one of the strangest bodies in pro wrestling

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  3. I met Steen twice at ROH shows. He was always great with fans, humble, talked about his family. As long as you don't mention like, Jim Cornette, you should be fine!

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  4. interesting. About doing every ep. I guess we will see I figure he could do them all and never doubt Kevin smith's ability to sit on his ass and talk into a microphone.

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  5. I'll pour a stiff drink if he gets it

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  6. Yes, that's the part I referenced that everyone else latched onto. He did more or less say that. But that wasn't all he said about it. He talked about it for awhile and implicitly admitted the obvious, which is sometimes they don't get it right.

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  7. Tried watching Sense 8 on Netflix. Got through the first episode, which was kind of boring, but whatever. I figure give it a shot, right? Started watching the 2nd one, and it was almost exactly more of the same. Motherfucker, I get it. This group of people from all over the planet share some kind of psychic connection. Noted. MOVE THE FUCKING PLOT ALONG.


    Jerks.

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  8. Nah, I kinda got what you meant, and I think in their mind the screwy finishes were meant to protect him and further Rollins as the hateable slimeball. In reality, the clean, photo finish in their ladder match this past Sunday was way better for Ambrose than jobbing to holograms and TV monitors.

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  9. Perfect through 7 and only 70 some pitches.

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  10. Schezer dominating.

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  11. ThebrazilianpsychoJune 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM

    HOSS DANCE TIME.

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  12. On pace for a perfect game and a Maddux. Impressive.

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  13. MLB Network has the game on. Scherzer is absolutely dominant. He just cut through the heart of the Pirate order like a hit knife through butter.

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  14. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    I'm into the episodes of Prime Time Wrestling going over the Piper's Pits with Hogan, Andre and Ventura setting up the WM3 match. What a perfect build, probably the best build ever done to a mediocre match, workrate-wise.

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  15. He made Cutch look like a high schooler that last AB

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  16. Dude. You got one already today.

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  17. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    Don't abuse or try to over-use Hoss Dance Time, Kid. Special occasions.

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  18. Listening to an 80's alternative/new wave playlist on youtube....The Power Station...how can you so under do the verses of bang a gong but nail the chorus?

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  19. Robinson TilapiaJune 20, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    It'll get better once Stacy introduces Los Fabulosos.

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  20. I'm willing to do one a day on request, and more for appropriate moments. He got one today.

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  21. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 3:59 PM

    I think that's an appropriate amount. I love that thing, too.

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  22. The one thing I discovered about the Power Station was that I never knew Andy Taylor was such a shredder after hearing his work with Duran Duran.

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  23. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM

    Do you have that honey badger gif on standby?

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  24. Yeah, I think at some point Vince or whoever decided for some stupid fucking reason that each of the Shield guys needed to be a "thing." Because the whole Rollins-as-architect thing just kinda was there one day out of nowhere, also. Fortunately that one didn't really hurt him, but it was just straight-up tacked onto him.

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  25. I didn't at first, but it's been bookmarked for awhile.

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  26. I loved that spot at first because he would use it in really organic ways within the flow of the match, but he's killed it dead with overuse.

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  27. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    125 bones for a new tire at Discount Tire. That's $83 with taxes and fees.

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  28. I don't think they're idiots at all. I think there's too many cooks in the kitchen with too much air time to fill.

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  29. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:07 PM

    I don't see where the "discount" is.

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  30. I go Walmart and it tends to be a good deal

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  31. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    Walmart is always backed up at least 2 hours here. Who has that kind of time?

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  32. Geez, that looked like disaster for a second.

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  33. SAAAAVE! Good through 8.

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  34. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:11 PM

    There is always at least one big save in games like this.

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  35. I fucking jinxed this last night

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  36. Just watched the infamous Michael Larson episodes of Press Your Luck

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  37. Didn't see what the commentator just said happened in the 3rd, apparently there was a big save there too.

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  38. Watching SummerSlam 2002, the Test vs. Undertaker match. Was that Test's biggest match as far as high-profile opponent on a high-profile PPV?

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  39. against triple H right around the wedding

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  40. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    Another episode of early 1987 Prime Time Wrestling, or do I stretch that out a bit more (with only a handful more episodes to watch) and go back to 1994 Raw?

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  41. nevermind, that was against Vince

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  42. Polanco, Mercer and a pinch hitter...come on guys.

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  43. When Test was feuding with HHH over Stephanie, though, I don't think HHH was at that superstar level yet. He was just getting there.

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  44. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    They gonna pull Andy Van Slyke out of the mothballs to PH?

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  45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM

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  46. I'm up to sting/vader GAB 92. Race is the least believable cheerleader on the outside fist pumping

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  47. Holy shit what a way to lose it

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  48. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    Son of a bitch, LOL!!

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  49. No hitter after a Pirate dipped his elbow into the path of the baseball. What a cheap asshole.

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  50. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Tabata totally leaned into that pitch

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  51. (for someone not watching) so it went from a perfect game to a no hitter because he hit a batter?

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  52. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 4:29 PM

    That sucked.

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  53. perfect game is no one getting a base (no errors, HBP, walks)

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  54. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    One strike away from a perfect game, he hit the batter. No longer perfect-o, merely

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  55. I understand how baseball works but am not following what is happening in this game so I was asking

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  56. Scherzer can only blame himself for that one.

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  57. Last three no-hitters thrown against the Pirates: Scherzer, Homer Bailey and Bob Gibson. One of these things is not like the others.

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  58. HAHA Jesse and JR talking about how there is no money in body building...on a WCW show in 92 ...that's a pretty solid burn

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  59. To be fair brock was the next big thing ;)

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  60. I still like to know what Vince was thinking with the WBF. Who would pay to watch body builders?

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  61. Vince. And that's all that matters.

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  62. Macklin, Man Without CrownJune 20, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    Scherzer doesn't have a first name.

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  63. 2 of the last names are easy to spell?

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  64. LOL not what I was getting at.

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  65. well I thought the same thing but didn't want to say it

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  66. Macklin, Man Without CrownJune 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM

    My favorite part of Stand Back is getting brief glimpses at Vince's "Mr. McMahon" gravelly delivery that he would use in the Attitude Era.

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  67. Vince made perhaps the most expensive fetish porn of all time

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  68. I like the ref bump in this Vader Sting match...it only delayed the count by a second or two but that was enough to screw Sting but not make Vader really look weak

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  69. Junior Galette about to feel the wrath of the Ginger Hammer.

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  70. They've met them, at the very least, since the expectations were pretty sky high from the beginning. (If not from before their debut then at the very least after the TLC match against Ryback/Kane/Bryan)

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  71. GIVE IT TO 'EM, STRYDOM, YEAAAAAAH!

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  72. Ehhhhh, dipping into a pitch in a blowout with a perfect game on the line, that's scuzzy. No honor in that.

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  73. Exactly! They didn't even fight each other!

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  74. There was a firefighter character! And a handsome stranger type!

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  75. Video posted two years ago on YouTube just got found today, he's on a beach somewhere fighting with guys and he's swinging around a belt. A woman walks up to him and he cracks her in the face with it.

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  76. Watching Seinfeld on Hulu (the yada yada)

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  77. Corned Biff HashJune 20, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    That's perfectly fine. All I'm saying is that according to the killer's own statements, he wanted to create one of those types of situations. And he failed.

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  78. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    I thought that was debuting on Tuesday

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  79. I'm trying to write a dark, noir-ish horror screenplay.

    But it's sunny outside, the birds are singing and I can hear happy children playing in the neighbourhood.

    Buncha nerds...

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  80. They air one new episode a day for 7 days and then they add the whole series.

    They also have Chinese restaurant and soup nazi

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  81. Oh, whew! For a second I thought you were comparing him to Mr. Anderson.

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  82. Hey Brian Cranston is Jewish in this episode

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  83. Roh-row...how are they going to prove it's him? Sure as hell looks like him.

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  84. The rumors about Sheamus potentially winning the title must really bother you then lol.

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  85. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    Chinese Restaurant was the one where I got hooked on the show.

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  86. fucking people.....who is the dude that is ground and pounding a woman afterwards? also why the hell does a woman who has been hit twice with a belt get up and follow the dude bitching her ass off at him?? I'm not arguing it's her fault but....he hit you with a belt...twice...go the other way...you aren't going to win this argument

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  87. Throw the heaviest thing in your office at the loudest thing in your neighborhood, should set the stage nicely for a story to come

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  88. it and parking garage are a couple of the few actual shows about nothing

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  89. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    The shows about nothing were actually something.

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  90. OH they fought......with their poses

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  91. Are you an anti-dentite?

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  92. happy children sounds like horror to me

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  93. He's claiming it's not him, but here's a picture from his now-deleted Instagram -

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH-n0NGUEAABXqf.jpg:large

    Same outfit, same everything. Swing and a miss on story 1, dude, better try self defense, not like it'll make a difference. He's done.

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  94. That's on Hulu right now

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  95. "Wretched, walking worms" that was quite the horrid voice over for Ghostbusters 2 and Murray's 3 million assholes line.

    Biggest problem in the movie is people not believing shit was going bad after the events of the original

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  96. Shelton BenjaminJune 20, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    I got a calzone last night and ate it while watching Parks. You'd know that if you're read my post about it directly to you.



    TREAT YO'SELF BEVERLY HILLS

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  97. Extant1979 - Extreme SuperstarJune 20, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    ...


    ...


    I know. You JUST told me that.

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  98. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    Anyone remember what the PPV watch was tonight?

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  99. Shelton BenjaminJune 20, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    November to Remember

    teehee giggle giggle

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  100. You know, as much as I was all "they've made Ambrose a loser" with the exploding televisions, I think in the end they figured it wouldn't hurt him...and they were right. The moment they went back to pushing him seriously the fans were all for him. So in this case I have to say they probably knew better than we did, as agonizing as admitting you're wrong is for an anonymous internet pundit to say =)

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  101. Done with us, the team has to cut these guys now.

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  102. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 5:13 PM

    Nice try, Lashley.

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  103. Thought you guys gave out bonuses for that kind of stuff....OH SNAP...BUUUUURN

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  104. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, lol.

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  105. What would you say has been Orton's best promo?

    For me, that's the area where I've always found him lacking--on the mic...but maybe I just haven't seen him at his best.

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  106. Hot shotting the belt from Vader to Simmons....at a house shot of all things was a huge mistake right?

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  107. We have high expectations of everybody that's 'new' and 'exciting'.


    We thought the Nexus was going to the nWo, and they had...maybe 2 talents of note.


    The Shield had a cool debut, and had 3 talents of note, also we were kind of bored. We thought they were going to be gods. I remember discussions distinctly, we thought Roman was going to be the Guy, Seth would be Jeff Hardy/John Morrison 2.0 and Dean would be Raven or something. Expectations weren't supremely high.

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  108. I hate it when that happens

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  109. Could have worked if they had something for Simmons to do after he won. Can't even remember a feud he had as champ

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  110. Yes. They might have been able to redeem it if they'd put him against strong heels, but instead he defended against a parade of washed up JTTS.

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  111. Ew, that does ring a bell

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  112. Yup the Barbarian main evented a PPV

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  113. Holloween havoc I think

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  114. UH OH He pushed the Extant Instant Rage (TM) button!

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  115. They should have put the US belt on Ron..had Vader destroy everyone else they put infont of him for a long time and then finally had Ron beat him if they wanted it to work

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  116. Stranger In The AlpsJune 20, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    There's a night thread up for you guys. The day thread was getting buried under some stuff, so I just made a new one.

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  117. Two of them are great and the other is fucking Homer Bailey.

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  118. I don't think they wanted to just beat Rude though. They did have Eaton, Arn, Austin (he was TV champ but could have easily done a one-shot at that point in his career), and they turned Pillman and Windham during his reign. Any of those guys would have been better to get title shots than The Barbarian (who I'm a fan of).

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  119. HAHAHAHA!!! I thought he was comparing him to Neo from the Matrix.

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  120. Yeah, I don't understand all this "We didnt see anything in Austin Rationale".
    I watched Austin's entire career right from the beginning. ESPN showing WCCW and his feud with Chris Adams and even as a kid I saw money in him right from the start.


    3 up n comers that I watched as a kid that WCW didn't utilize to their full potential that I have seen as people who I thought would be huge stars right from the start.


    Austin, Taker, and Foley.

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  121. At the time people on rantsylvania were saying Brock was the next angle.

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  122. Macklin, Man Without CrownJune 20, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Best day of the yeeeeeer!

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  123. No fucking way Rock is entering Suplex City.

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  124. The Nexus was a really cool idea but I personally don't remember having sky-high expectations for them as individuals except for Bryan, Barrett, and strangely enough Darren Young.

    I had pretty high expectations for all three Shield guys, personally. I actually thought Ambrose was The Guy, and moreover, I thought he was the one that was *supposed* to be the guy.

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  125. The only one I remember is the RNN ones. So ill go with that one. And that happened over a decade ago.

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  126. yea he strikes me as a guy who appreciates his fans.

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  127. the movie people would have a shit fit, thats why the mixed tag makes sense...

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  128. Yes. I don't get the love for Ambrose either. His promos, his weak looking offense, his shit ring gear. It's all lame.

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  129. I think that's also where Austin hugging Vince all the time came from as well.

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  130. It was a TV taping in Baltimore. The title change aired on the Main Event.

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  131. Eh, I'll stand on principle on this one. Ambrose survived just fine, I agree, but that feud did nothing for either guy. It certainly didn't launch Bray to the top of the card, and it certainly didn't do anything for Dean. I'm not sure that proves that they knew better about anything - if they were so sure that Dean was bulletproof, might as well make Rollins even stronger and have him win clean or cleanish, like in the ladder match. End of the day, the jobs and the way that Dean did them didn't hurt him, but they didn't help him OR his opponents at the time (speaking of Wyatt and Harper), so I think it's justified to point out they were failures, and that since they didn't help either party the way they were booked, then the only thing that could have happened was it hurt Dean or his opponent. Just because it didn't in the end doesn't justify their thinking in the first place.

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  132. The WWE took care of the female Steve Austin - Paige by having her potty mouth, sexual behaviour, give no fucks attitude, be buried three times in a week. Her popularity is finished.

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  133. I also watched Austin from the beginning of his WCW run, to clarify I meant it took him some time to reach his full potential unlike a lot of WWE guys who get handed everything on a silver platter.

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  134. He's had like 2 matches.

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  135. And if he is the next Austin I think they should do the double turn with Cena to turn him face. Cena in the Bret Hart role of scorned whiny babyface could be great. They could already sowing the seeds with Cena arguing w/ the ref.

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  136. Amen! And again cash in hand from me for Lesnar - Owens in Dallas

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  137. Fat, Ugly Inner-City SweathogJune 20, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    Yeah and Shane can do his big suicidal bumps at Mania instead of on throwaway ppvs.

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  138. I miss Scott's cynicism. Sure Owens' has looked great so far, but it's been 3 weeks. Just wait till next year when WWE will attempt to neuter the poor guy.

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  139. But what do you wanna do with Owens? The last thing they should do is to have him lose the rubber match with Cena and then continue with a stop-start booking like they've done to numerous guys in the past couple of years.

    Owens is firing on all cylinders - the fans are digging him and buying im as legitimate, he's delivering in the ring and on the mic, and he's fresh. There's no reason to slow this down - it's rolling, let it roll I say.

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  140. The problem is The Rock and Austin wouldn't happen if WWE wasn't forced to change due to WCW killing them in the ratings and thanks to ECW providing them with some ideas.

    Right now, Vince doesn't have anything that would push him to try something new and he's not able to come up with new and inventive stuff of his own. So they're trying variations of things that worked in the past.

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  141. Most of his time was spent with Cactus, Barbarian, and Tony Atlas IIRC.

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  142. Simmons' PPV defenses:


    vs Barbarian at Halloween Havoc
    vs. Dr. Death at Starrcade (DCO turned into DQ win for Simmons)

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  143. Nope. Sting-Roberts main-evented Havoc. Simmons-Barbarian was the semi-main.

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  144. Too many cooks? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8

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  145. Code Red (The Amazing Red popularized it in 2002 TNA). Youtube C-4 John Morrison or Paul Birchill and picture Owens doing that, haha.

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  146. Sorry to be the grammar nazi but that's a double whammy here. *couldn't have cared less. If he could care less, that means he cares. And could OF is completely and utterly wrong. You are still a cool guy, though. :)

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  147. Did you know that you can make dollars by locking selected sections of your blog / site?
    Simply open an account with Mgcash and run their content locking tool.

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