tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post1423237266601928227..comments2023-10-05T10:40:37.936-06:00Comments on Rantsylvania: Why did Orton lose the title so soon in 2004?Scott Keithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04125091232930805562noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-35736565563429584262015-03-18T08:37:55.874-06:002015-03-18T08:37:55.874-06:00Orton's run derailed his whole character Edge&...Orton's run derailed his whole character Edge's run with the belt was nothing special but it helped DEFINE what he was all about. The way he won, the live sex celebration and afterwards when Cena ran in and FU'd Lita while Edge ran away with the belt in his underwear was just classic Edge through and through.Kanye Batistanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-67312130715347927502015-03-18T08:37:05.690-06:002015-03-18T08:37:05.690-06:00I won't say things didn't turn out for the...I won't say things didn't turn out for the best (The Batista/HHH build was killer and Orton was much more ready for the Main event in his 07 and 09 incarnations) but I was watching at the time and it seemed the most logical thing in the world for Orton to take over Evolution and kick HHH out. <br /><br />HHH seemed to badly need a Face Turn at this point which amazingly took another year and a half.Empiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-19341294629808158542015-03-18T08:32:44.663-06:002015-03-18T08:32:44.663-06:00Orton suddenly turned into the most babiest babyfa...Orton suddenly turned into the most babiest babyface ever and lost the reason that fans started to cheer him in the first place.TheDJRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-20636408083080856292015-03-18T08:31:56.314-06:002015-03-18T08:31:56.314-06:00It's worth noting that of Orton's 12 world...It's worth noting that of Orton's 12 world title reigns, only 2 of them were over 90 days. In fact, he's been world champion for a cumulative 748 days... meaning on average his title reigns have been 63 days.<br /><br />No wonder his reigns don't feel "important". They've mostly been 1-3 months long!WhiteGoodmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-20506411033064251692015-03-18T08:23:19.957-06:002015-03-18T08:23:19.957-06:00I agree, Punk's first reign made him look like...I agree, Punk's first reign made him look like a total geek after such a strong stint in ECWWE. For the Orton/Edge comparison, however, I'm still going with Orton.Lenny Vowelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-89488620537988540792015-03-18T08:22:02.364-06:002015-03-18T08:22:02.364-06:00Passover? HHH is the last person to talk about get...Passover? HHH is the last person to talk about getting passed over.Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-25768213946952930432015-03-18T08:21:14.626-06:002015-03-18T08:21:14.626-06:00And that's just b/c they keep putting him in t...And that's just b/c they keep putting him in top spots so we generally just accept him there. I've always found him totally boring and easily replaceable. He has very few memorable matches and just doesn't stand out.MrTuesdayNightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-62274338164473890762015-03-18T08:21:10.384-06:002015-03-18T08:21:10.384-06:00I will say this: HHH did a lot to protect Benoit b...I will say this: HHH did a lot to protect Benoit because I don't remember him getting too many wins on him in that feud.Charismatic eNegro Jef Vinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-28134805642240130172015-03-18T08:17:08.119-06:002015-03-18T08:17:08.119-06:00Edge's at least put that character over as the...Edge's at least put that character over as the "ultimate opportunist." I'd say Punk's first reign was far worse. A face using a cheap way to win a belt and then going on midcard made him look like such a geek.Dusty4Preznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-633539979795346572015-03-18T08:15:12.032-06:002015-03-18T08:15:12.032-06:00The Orton thing is just one of those situations wh...The Orton thing is just one of those situations where they tried something and it didn't work, but their heart was in the right place.<br /><br /><br />HHH wasn't trying to sabotage him, the plan was to screw him out of the title, saddle him with the "no more title shots" stip, have him run through Flair and Batista, and then win the Rumble in order to get around the stip. Beats HHH at Mania and he's The Man. Sounds good in theory, didn't work (Orton and the office share blame here). Shit happens, and their audible is one the best storylines of all-time.Jabber2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-50317777068306808712015-03-18T08:08:14.102-06:002015-03-18T08:08:14.102-06:00Yeah, in many ways it was an early indicator of th...Yeah, in many ways it was an early indicator of the kind of short-sighted booking that has come to haunt the company since. Orton spent the next 2 1/2 years looking like a dork before becoming a main eventer again. And, honestly, in spite of him being a 32 time champion, or whatever, I have never really seen anything more than upper midcarder in him. Everything he does is just decent, and every time he gets pushed a main eventer it just sinks the program.Sasukespecialmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-20174130256703831592015-03-18T08:08:09.688-06:002015-03-18T08:08:09.688-06:00He was turned face in one of the most non-organic ...He was turned face in one of the most non-organic turns ever. Not only was the crowd not buying it, but it also seemed like the outcome was correctly predicated from the moment the turn happened.Lenny Vowelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-9715386252573579972015-03-18T08:03:33.021-06:002015-03-18T08:03:33.021-06:00Yeah, pretty pointless overall. I just don't s...Yeah, pretty pointless overall. I just don't see how you can call a guy who was only meant to be a transitional champion as a "flop." <br /><br />It's like setting someone up for failure. Of course, WWE has done that quite a bit over the years.WhiteGoodmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-30036386741459332632015-03-18T08:03:23.773-06:002015-03-18T08:03:23.773-06:00Agreed, though Edge's deserves a bit of malice...Agreed, though Edge's deserves a bit of malice. To this day, has his first title win done anything other than validate the Money in the Bank gimmick?Lenny Vowelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-9549212573455891382015-03-18T08:00:28.912-06:002015-03-18T08:00:28.912-06:00Agreed. I also remember him having some legitimate...Agreed. I also remember him having some legitimate face momentum after losing the title, including lots of "RKO" chants. I dunno what happened to his momentum at the end of the year (I remember him going over quite a bit), but Batista ended up getting even more over and by the Rumble the writing was on the wall for Orton.<br /><br /><br />I wasn't a big Orton fan at the time, and thought they rushed his ascension, but I never understood what the goal was, other than Vince wanting a new youngest champion, or HHH trying to set up his usual chase program that made RAW so miserable between 2002-2005 (except for the great wrestling in the summer of 2004).Sasukespecialmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-72854950704690083462015-03-18T07:51:01.183-06:002015-03-18T07:51:01.183-06:00He had FUTURE main eventer written all over him. J...He had FUTURE main eventer written all over him. Just because you're good in the ring doesn't mean you're ready for the top of the card. The main event push shouldn't have happened at SummerSlam 2004. <br /><br /><br />There were other options to eventually get the belt back on Hunter than sacrificing Orton.Extant1979 - Extreme Superstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-83876245051101181352015-03-18T07:47:12.450-06:002015-03-18T07:47:12.450-06:00So wait,he was ridiculously awkward having good ma...So wait,he was ridiculously awkward having good matches?<br /><br /><br />I don't see anyone saying he should have been the true face of the company at 24 years old, but should he have been bulldozed by HHH a month after his coronation because Trips wanted his title back pronto?<br /><br /><br />The main event push was sudden, probably too sudden for a guy who was IC Champion a month before Summerslam but Orton had main eventer written all over him that year.Mr.Snrubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-74472110748726988352015-03-18T07:45:56.702-06:002015-03-18T07:45:56.702-06:00Orton. The face turn was awful and made him look l...Orton. The face turn was awful and made him look like a chump. Orton should have gotten Evolution to turn on HHH and turn him face. Bring in Shelton Benjamin for Evolution. HHH reunites with Shawn for a DX/Evolution fued. Orton's character in those days was all about being a heel. His turn was underwhelming because he got kicked out and turned into HHH's bitch when he should have kept dominating. Orton's IC title run was actually pretty great.Kanye Batistanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-15228858494239109532015-03-18T07:39:37.555-06:002015-03-18T07:39:37.555-06:00Jef uses his real name I believe.Jef uses his real name I believe.The Fujnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-42954796193910541842015-03-18T07:39:04.538-06:002015-03-18T07:39:04.538-06:00Nice explanation.Nice explanation.TimeandtheRaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-1003393107203930352015-03-18T07:38:00.568-06:002015-03-18T07:38:00.568-06:00Yep.Yep.Adam "Colorado" Currynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-7799072395798396232015-03-18T07:37:34.174-06:002015-03-18T07:37:34.174-06:00Your real name is Colorado?Your real name is Colorado?zanatudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-49613564399859365332015-03-18T07:37:01.717-06:002015-03-18T07:37:01.717-06:00It wasn't his time. If anything, it was good ...It wasn't his time. If anything, it was good for the long-term story that Randy Orton was too wet-behind-the-ears to recognize what Triple H was going to do to him...it was an integral part of his own evolution.zanatudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-67696846113815593912015-03-18T07:35:24.728-06:002015-03-18T07:35:24.728-06:00Thank you for sharing someone else's workrate ...Thank you for sharing someone else's workrate opinions to counter my opinions. Yes, he was having good matches with other good hands, but that doesn't mean you're ready to be the face of the promotion and champion on Raw. Shit, Shelton Benjamin was having great matches with people throughout 2004, I don't see anyone saying HE should have been champion.Extant1979 - Extreme Superstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-68435156804236065622015-03-18T07:33:40.301-06:002015-03-18T07:33:40.301-06:00FixedFixedWhiteGoodmannoreply@blogger.com