tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post4426651571526753444..comments2023-10-05T10:40:37.936-06:00Comments on Rantsylvania: The PG Era Rant: Raw, 11-11-13Scott Keithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04125091232930805562noreply@blogger.comBlogger123125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-27061709955198949722013-11-12T16:38:35.331-07:002013-11-12T16:38:35.331-07:00BeardMoney is funny like that.BeardMoney is funny like that.Mister_E_Mahnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-62923328845234875872013-11-12T15:12:46.628-07:002013-11-12T15:12:46.628-07:00I mean, you're ignoring a lot of the other fac...I mean, you're ignoring a lot of the other factors, here. I don't wanna end up writing a dissertation here, but a few quick points: <br /><br /><br />*Shawn, when on top of the promotion, consistently out-performed the previous champs ('96 Diesel/Bret, '97 Sid, '97 Bret) in terms of drawing power/viwership, and was pretty unanimously considered to be the only thing keeping WWE afloat in '96. Sure, the WWE in general was in a slump then, but that's not on Shawn so much as it's on WCW and the total lack of other top shelf talent in WWE. On the flip side, when Hunter was the focal point of the promotion in 02-05, he was basically hemorrhaging viewers. <br /><br /><br />*I don't know who was drawing more merch individually in '06-'10, I just know that DX was second to Cena in merch for most of that span, whereas prior to the reunion it had been (if memory serves) Edge and Batista. <br /><br /><br />*Triple H has been on our TVs a lot lately, and many of those weeks have been dramatically down from the last few years. Just worth thinking about. <br /><br /><br />*Being the third biggest drawing guy of a boom era is a lot less impressive, IMO, then being the most drawing guy of a down era. Nobody cares about the bronze medal.LawrenceTalbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-72350658697544186132013-11-12T14:46:47.788-07:002013-11-12T14:46:47.788-07:00Sure, D-Bry posts get people to participate, but d...Sure, D-Bry posts get people to participate, but do they click ads?<br /><br /><br />The only proven draws are Benoit and Montreal conspiracy theories,Zanatudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-14941068829614511772013-11-12T14:45:23.085-07:002013-11-12T14:45:23.085-07:00If you want to see these posts stop, the only way ...If you want to see these posts stop, the only way to make it happen is to stop posting comments on them.Zanatudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-28929397083490095662013-11-12T14:34:47.660-07:002013-11-12T14:34:47.660-07:00What you don't seem to realize is that I'm...What you don't seem to realize is that I'm not arguing that HHH is some huge megastar in general. I'm arguing (correctly, by the way) that he's a bigger star/draw than HBK, which he indisputably is by a fair distance. Also, the irony of your comment is hilarious, and I'll address that step-by-step (or rather quote-by-quote):<br /><br />"When, exactly, was HHH a huge draw? When he was third-banana for Austin and Rock?"<br /><br />Well, yes. "Huge" is relative, but HHH in the Attitude Era (especially in 2000) was far bigger than HBK has ever been. He was a bigger draw as the third biggest star of the (second half of the) Attitude Era than HBK was as the top guy a few years earlier.<br /><br />"Or when he pissed away all the viewership those two had built up during his Reign of Terror from 2002-2005?"<br /><br />Again, not huge, but definitely a bigger draw than HBK at any point in the latter's career. Losing all those viewers is a knock against HHH when comparing him to Rock and Austin (although the business was already on a downswing prior to their departures), not when comparing him to HBK, who did far worse numbers as the top guy in the '90s than Trips has ever done.<br /><br />"Sure, he was a decent draw (or at least merch-mover) again in 06-2010… but only after they reunited him with HBK."<br /><br />I'd love to see where you got your info for the two's merch sales and how they compare, because I doubt HBK was pushing as much merch as Trips.<br /><br />"Stop drinking the cool aid. The only one who thinks HHH was a top level draw is HHH."<br /><br /><br /><br />And this is where the hilarious irony comes in. It's hilarious because the WWE's Kool-aid has people like yourself convinced that HBK was some huge star when he's one of the worst drawing top guys in WWF history (his '96 WWF title run got the worst ratings in RAW history and the company nearly went out of business when he was on top, something that was never a concern during HHH's time on top).<br /><br /><br />The WWE overrates HHH from a talent standpoint, while they overrate Shawn from a stardom standpoint. Trips (not Michaels) is the biggest star in the Kliq by a long shot, and the closest to reaching the "Icon" status that HBK's been laughably given despite how badly he historically drew. <br /><br /><br />HHH being a bigger draw/star than Michaels isn't a matter of opinion, it's a concrete fact, regardless of your opinion of both guys.Syed H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-33212114036830313842013-11-12T13:54:18.256-07:002013-11-12T13:54:18.256-07:00Who now can't make rent because of itWho now can't make rent because of itparallax1978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-1055308505525838272013-11-12T13:53:52.082-07:002013-11-12T13:53:52.082-07:00I can't tell well the sarcasm stops and the re...I can't tell well the sarcasm stops and the reality startsparallax1978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-57972927974794099442013-11-12T13:46:37.184-07:002013-11-12T13:46:37.184-07:00I do, or at least I used to when I was home on Sun...I do, or at least I used to when I was home on Sunday nights.Amsterdam_Adam_Currynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-16450863143139648982013-11-12T13:35:27.237-07:002013-11-12T13:35:27.237-07:00I think they should showcase the NXT talent in a 4...I think they should showcase the NXT talent in a 4-on-4 or 5-on-5 match.ATL2013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-38827006661396760042013-11-12T13:20:03.185-07:002013-11-12T13:20:03.185-07:00When, exactly, was HHH a huge draw? When he was th...When, exactly, was HHH a huge draw? When he was third-banana for Austin and Rock? Or when he pissed away all the viewership those two had built up during his Reign of Terror from 2002-2005? Sure, he was a decent draw (or at least merch-mover) again in 06-2010... but only after they reunited him with HBK. <br /><br /><br />Stop drinking the cool aid. The only one who thinks HHH was a top level draw is HHH.LawrenceTalbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-69625681830992195892013-11-12T13:12:38.923-07:002013-11-12T13:12:38.923-07:00They probably just saw a chance to avoid paying an...They probably just saw a chance to avoid paying another royalty fee to Living Colour.thetalkingstovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-84285181152781059692013-11-12T11:23:31.449-07:002013-11-12T11:23:31.449-07:00Yep, and Flair should have dropped the NWA/WCW tit...Yep, and Flair should have dropped the NWA/WCW title to him in 1991 as well.jdg9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-81342715290708989102013-11-12T11:16:35.612-07:002013-11-12T11:16:35.612-07:00I didn't steal it! Scott gave it to me because...I didn't steal it! Scott gave it to me because its what's best for business.parallax1978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-14313476286022178102013-11-12T11:15:22.662-07:002013-11-12T11:15:22.662-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8OxKx6zKkQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8OxKx6zKkQparallax1978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-70694423904624825372013-11-12T11:06:01.802-07:002013-11-12T11:06:01.802-07:00Chris Walker would be bitter at Vince ignoring rea...Chris Walker would be bitter at Vince ignoring real talent....James M. Fabianonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-87713398260949691292013-11-12T10:52:33.719-07:002013-11-12T10:52:33.719-07:00I get your point but tagging against the wyatts is...I get your point but tagging against the wyatts is a lateral move from team hell nojobber123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-35265178450957100442013-11-12T10:48:35.108-07:002013-11-12T10:48:35.108-07:00Exactly. Now can we please get back to discussing...Exactly. Now can we please get back to discussing important stuff like turning John Cena heel?Jim Lowenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-33808507846004931952013-11-12T10:41:24.595-07:002013-11-12T10:41:24.595-07:00Ooh! Ooh! Can I come for the discussion, too?Ooh! Ooh! Can I come for the discussion, too?Steven Ferrarinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-81942732236993490422013-11-12T10:32:53.339-07:002013-11-12T10:32:53.339-07:00Man, this Chris Walker guy has been getting around...Man, this Chris Walker guy has been getting around since that post last weekthatguyJMMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-76132277304153293532013-11-12T10:26:25.857-07:002013-11-12T10:26:25.857-07:00Yeah but I don't think Roman Reigns or Cody Rh...Yeah but I don't think Roman Reigns or Cody Rhodes or anyone currently in NXT is either. And I know for a fact Randy Orton isn't and HHH wasn't.Daniel Swinneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-21618979315530187172013-11-12T10:26:15.849-07:002013-11-12T10:26:15.849-07:00For the early 2000s (post Mania 18), my PPV orderi...For the early 2000s (post Mania 18), my PPV ordering was limited to Mania and Rumble every year, and sometimes Survivor Series and/or Summerslam.<br /><br /><br />Then when Rock came back in 2011 and Summer of Punk happened, a buddy of mine got sucked back into watching so since then we've been splitting PPVs together, and probably have ended up ordering about 7-8 a year for the last few years. (And going to Survivor Series 2011, TLC 2012, and Mania 29.) So while I'm not buying all 13 shows a year, I feel comfortable that I'm spending wayyy more than enough on WWE to voice my opinion on the quality of their PPVs and storylines.<br /><br /><br />As for the few I don't order, I'll usually find them online and watch before (a DVR'ed and heavily fast forwarded through) Raw the next evening.<br /><br /><br />Note: Zero chance I'm ordering Survivor Series this year. Won't spend a dime on a shitty Big Show title main event.Worst_in_the_Worldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-88622966092597092052013-11-12T10:06:08.036-07:002013-11-12T10:06:08.036-07:00He's the top villain. When you're missing ...He's the top villain. When you're missing your top villain, the show feels less important.Syed H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-44907091954883206072013-11-12T10:05:06.237-07:002013-11-12T10:05:06.237-07:00Also significant but understated: It was Bryan...Also significant but understated: It was Bryan's music, and not Punk's, that played when the babyfaces stood in the ring victorious.brak_attacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-81377724299739108352013-11-12T10:03:04.620-07:002013-11-12T10:03:04.620-07:00Here's a thought- last night's RAW justifi...Here's a thought- last night's RAW justifies the approach they've taken with Bryan. By not trapping Bryan in the role of "the face of the WWE" but letting his meteoric rise touch other wrestlers, he's given off so much rub that there's a 12-man Survivor Series match that people WANT TO SEE (or at least did want to see last night). The Wyatt Family and the Shield did their part, and Punk was fantastic, but Bryan's the glue of the whole thing. Before last night, the idea of a 12-man match made me sick to my stomach; now, I want to see the 12-man match badly. <br /><br />Of course, putting him in three hopeless matches against Orton wasn't good business. But let him work on this feud, and then tell the story of him getting the belt at WM.RayCornwallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-7264533039862922512013-11-12T10:02:57.703-07:002013-11-12T10:02:57.703-07:00Yea, I'm not gonna open this can of worms. Gu...Yea, I'm not gonna open this can of worms. Guess it depends on your views of "moderate".OfficerFarvanoreply@blogger.com