tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post6741270958469900225..comments2023-10-05T10:40:37.936-06:00Comments on Rantsylvania: HHH/JBLScott Keithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04125091232930805562noreply@blogger.comBlogger159125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-3699125097746700402015-05-18T23:54:44.045-06:002015-05-18T23:54:44.045-06:00Should've just given it to Rey. Then build up ...Should've just given it to Rey. Then build up JBL for Summerslam.Ian Austinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-9432814794035561292015-05-18T23:27:17.272-06:002015-05-18T23:27:17.272-06:00Once they broke up the Smackdown Six, and too much...Once they broke up the Smackdown Six, and too much of the focus was on Vince, Smackdown stopped getting a lot of love in 2003.wnyxmcnealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-89210696437037407362015-05-18T23:26:05.112-06:002015-05-18T23:26:05.112-06:00Like I mentioned above, that was one of the breaki...Like I mentioned above, that was one of the breaking points for my "mark" fandom. Once Taker killed Paul Bearer, I gladly accepted it was all scripted.FunkDoc1112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-26095492891235284862015-05-18T23:23:53.144-06:002015-05-18T23:23:53.144-06:00I do remember reading that Triple H moving to Smac...I do remember reading that Triple H moving to Smackdown was actually supposed to happen, but he convinced Vince to change his mind about it, resulting in the trade back to Raw the next night. Supposedly putting over Shelton was in return for getting to stay on Raw. <br /><br /><br />I have no idea if there was any truth to that as it leaves Evolution up in the air and the "Triple H is more valuable than just one guy" theory is both right up their mindset's alley and a way to give Smackdown more guys than Raw in the draft.HartKiller_09noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-61490470249782398762015-05-18T23:23:14.366-06:002015-05-18T23:23:14.366-06:00Nah, even as a 12 year old I thought it was horren...Nah, even as a 12 year old I thought it was horrendous. For Christ's sake, it was so bad it was the last straw for me thinking wrestling was real, just for the sake of my sanity.FunkDoc1112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-9978149460568572302015-05-18T23:22:07.739-06:002015-05-18T23:22:07.739-06:00Okay, it was bad. I found some bright spots among ...Okay, it was bad. I found some bright spots among the pile of shit. I guess the love it was getting in 2003 made Vince insanely jealous that his own B show was trumping his A show.<br /><br /><br />That Vince! What a card!Stranger in the Alpsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-78220749599187766452015-05-18T23:14:44.325-06:002015-05-18T23:14:44.325-06:00I used to watch Smackdown weekly as part of the dr...I used to watch Smackdown weekly as part of the dreaded "sleepover Thursday" and it was so boring at times it felt like the show as moving at half speed.HartKiller_09noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-8886920318966001222015-05-18T23:00:06.649-06:002015-05-18T23:00:06.649-06:00Smackdown was a very bad show.
Also, Chavo Clas...Smackdown was a very bad show. <br /><br /><br />Also, Chavo Classic ruled. The Undertaker was never going to be carrying the show since they didn't want him wrestling too much on TV. <br /><br /><br />Booker T and Cena weren't that great in 04.wnyxmcnealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-74435420229667431972015-05-18T22:45:39.749-06:002015-05-18T22:45:39.749-06:00I'm kind of tired of this and its exhausting s...I'm kind of tired of this and its exhausting so this is it for me on the subject. You said there was an increase the first few months of 2005 you realize JBL was still the champion until April right? You also said for the first seven months and you said coincidentally thats when they moved to Fridays. Thats also the last time JBL main evented a ppv on Smackdown. You realize that even after he lost the title he main evented the shows as the top heel all the way through July of that year. <br /><br /><br />There is virtually no drop off in television ratings between his title reign and the one before it or the one after it. Ratings held steady in the low to mid 3's for well over two years. I already documented that his ppv buys on average were down 11,000 buys from the year before them. <br /><br /><br />I get it he was a dick and maybe there were other guys people on here would have rather seen pushed. But he wasn't a flop. Fans didn't stop watching TV with him as champion, the house show numbers everyone brought up originally it turns out that was the entire WWE that had that issue with both RAW and SD cancelling shows and the workers not making any money. <br /><br /><br />So if TV ratings were the same and ppv buys barely dropped off (to where as they dropped off by six figures on the other brand) and if the entire company had house show problems then where was he a flop at? People said he was a historic flop and there isn't a single number that said this guy was a flop at all let alone historic. <br /><br /><br />I'm not telling anyone that they are wrong about not liking him or not liking his push but its so much easier to say that then to make up that he was some all time flop and that vince just ignored the numbers and stayed wtih him. When the numbers show that he was exactly the same as the guy before him.TripleSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-87191021051115903292015-05-18T22:39:18.573-06:002015-05-18T22:39:18.573-06:00Oh for sure, it wasn't like he was getting the...Oh for sure, it wasn't like he was getting the kind of stuff Orton got to work withBonzaiDBSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-15132804476951172122015-05-18T22:30:08.788-06:002015-05-18T22:30:08.788-06:00It was bad. The current product sucks too but it a...It was bad. The current product sucks too but it at least it had talent. 2004 SD had shitty booking AND a shitty roster. I paid $100 to go see a SD PPV that featured Mordecai, Rene Dupree, Hardcore Holly, Billy Gunn, Rico, Dawn Marie, Torrie, Scotty 2 Hotty, and JBL main eventing (in a DQ finish).BonzaiDBSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-7858849099916980052015-05-18T22:27:54.527-06:002015-05-18T22:27:54.527-06:00Benoit didn't draw because he was playing midc...Benoit didn't draw because he was playing midcard champion while Triple H played around in the main event with Shawn Michaels and Eugene. People were sick of Triple H.<br /><br /><br />Eddie didn't draw because he was feuding with BRADSHAW!!!<br /><br /><br />Punk drew when they started his year long reign, his first PPV as defending champion drew better than the year before, and his first PPV as defending champ didn't have Cena on the card AT ALL.Mar Solohttp://www.facebook.com/marsolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-53545785347271671782015-05-18T22:27:25.860-06:002015-05-18T22:27:25.860-06:00I've heard ISIS uses 2004 Smackdown to torture...I've heard ISIS uses 2004 Smackdown to torture people before beheading them.Mar Solohttp://www.facebook.com/marsolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-37022600551202626602015-05-18T22:25:27.686-06:002015-05-18T22:25:27.686-06:002004 Smackdown was not *that bad* of a show. Eddie...2004 Smackdown was not *that bad* of a show. Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, RVD, John Cena, Booker T, Kurt Angle. The booking is what sucked. The cruiserweight title was traded off between Jacqueline, Chavo Guerrero SENIOR, Funaki, Spike Dudley. On the plus side, they had Paul London vs. Akio/Jimmy Yang almost every Saturday night on velocity. The Undertaker was supposed to be the guy that carried that show, but he was stuck feuding with The Dudley Boyz, burying Paul Bearer in cement, and then moving on to Heidenriech.<br /><br /><br />A weird show, yes. But not an overtly *bad* one.Stranger in the Alpsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-35537595633913379252015-05-18T22:24:58.010-06:002015-05-18T22:24:58.010-06:00Um, it did tank. There's a reason Smackdown...Um, it did tank. There's a reason Smackdown's ratings went to shit.Mar Solohttp://www.facebook.com/marsolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-67446492054086424132015-05-18T22:10:19.667-06:002015-05-18T22:10:19.667-06:00STOP THE PRESSES
You mean when SmackDown's bi...STOP THE PRESSES<br /><br />You mean when SmackDown's biggest star, John Cena, left the show, their ratings declined? Crazy concept, there!<br /><br />Here's an interesting fact: Smackdown's ratings for the first 4 months of 2004 averaged a 3.4. From the beginning of JBL's push onward? A 3.1.<br /><br />SmackDown's ratings for the first 7 months of 2005 was a 3.3. Their ratings starting from August dropped to a 2.6 average. And do you know why? Because they moved to Friday Nights, a poor timeslot.FunkDoc1112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-9385131454968676362015-05-18T22:10:06.131-06:002015-05-18T22:10:06.131-06:00Running variations on that same main event for abo...Running variations on that same main event for about seven straight weeks just about killed post-brand split RAW right out of the gate.Buster Abbottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-31908340632845164332015-05-18T22:08:55.599-06:002015-05-18T22:08:55.599-06:00I'm not sure I buy the theory of Smackdown bei...I'm not sure I buy the theory of Smackdown being 'punished.' After all, when the brands first split, you could argue that the booking actually favoured SD. It was the show where Steph was the GM, they were the 'face' brand as opposed to the 'heel' brand run by Bischoff, and hell, Vince himself spent most of his time on Smackdown in 2003 feuding with Hogan/Mr. America, Zach Gowan and Steph herself.<br /><br />Why WWE suddenly decided in early 2004 that Smackdown was now the clear B-show and Raw was the clear A-show (and that that lopsided draft to settle this) was beyond me.Buster Abbottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-65575535013845554832015-05-18T22:05:17.297-06:002015-05-18T22:05:17.297-06:00You're right, there was nothing good about Sma...You're right, there was nothing good about Smackdown during this period, but the fact that JBL was pushed as Smackdown's top star and a guy that got the most screentime meant that he was the biggest problem on the show.Tom Dawkingshttp://www.youtube.com/user/1bettingedgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-58805818329558282042015-05-18T22:05:15.718-06:002015-05-18T22:05:15.718-06:00I'm not a loyal JBL fan, but I would rather wa...I'm not a loyal JBL fan, but I would rather watch him give all his effort in trying to get over and draw heat than others half-ass everything they do.Garth Holmberg, C.C.http://DaWrestlingSite.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-9325133614845024002015-05-18T22:01:46.446-06:002015-05-18T22:01:46.446-06:00Even an unmotivated RVD and Booker is a better cho...Even an unmotivated RVD and Booker is a better choice than a motivated JBL.Tom Dawkingshttp://www.youtube.com/user/1bettingedgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-36988992660083416852015-05-18T21:58:56.003-06:002015-05-18T21:58:56.003-06:00Here is a fun fact. JBL's average TV rating as...Here is a fun fact. JBL's average TV rating as champion was roughly 3.18. All of 2003 the average tv rating was 3.3. In 2005 when JBL was nowhere near the title the average rating on Smackdown was 3.04. So how is it all in my head that people hated JBL when they tuned out more after he lost the title than when he had it? Seriously what part of that is in my head? Its numbers for crying out loud.TripleSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-26064268816020073892015-05-18T21:53:03.398-06:002015-05-18T21:53:03.398-06:00Your gimmick is writing exhausting walls of texts ...Your gimmick is writing exhausting walls of texts based off of fan perceptions that exist entirely in your head.FunkDoc1112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-18901826076378455612015-05-18T21:53:01.621-06:002015-05-18T21:53:01.621-06:00Well apparently you're one of the few that tho...Well apparently you're one of the few that thought so. People still bought his ppv's he headlined, people still tuned into television just as much when he was all over it so if he sucked so bad I have no idea why business didn't tank for him like people say it did.TripleSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838126259950293862.post-21138756894178338012015-05-18T21:52:05.410-06:002015-05-18T21:52:05.410-06:00My gimmick is this. Lets just say "we like th...My gimmick is this. Lets just say "we like this guy so its ok that he didn't draw and was void of any drawing ability" and lets just say "this guy was a giant dick so we don't care if he drew as much as the guy before him we're still going to blindly say he was a failure". Yeah that is my gimmick though. Benoit, Eddie, Punk, Bryan none of these guys ever drew but yet when Nash doesn't draw, or JBL doesn't draw or whoever else doesn't draw people say "yeah but he wasn't a draw lulz". Its very confusing.TripleSnoreply@blogger.com