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HHH/Eugene

admittedlyHey Scott, long time, second time, blah blah.

Anyway, your earlier post included a mention of HHH/Eugene.  Now I admit that I have a soft spot for "Eugene" as Nick went to the same high school I did as was my substitute teacher a couple of times. But I also like HHH. So anyway, my fantasy booking question is this: wouldn't have been logical for Eugene to win at Summerslam, by means of botched interference,.while having Orton still winning the title. Then the next night on Raw, you have Orton through HHH out of Evolution saying he's lost his edge and embarrassed the group. That way you can have HHH be injured from the beat down for a month then have to come back a work his way through the group to get to Orton. And Eugene is over as a mid-card guy.


Hey, we're up to May now in the Inbox, go me!

Fantasy booking is of course gay, but there was a LOT wrong with the Evolution breakup and that would have been as good a way as any to pull it off.  Basically any scenario where Orton INSTIGATES the babyface turn instead of getting punked out by HHH would have been infinitely preferable to the crap we got.  That being said, Orton didn't find his character until 2009 anyway, which once again brings up the issue of too much too soon.  Some people just don't have the experience and seasoning to be a top level draw that young in life, and Orton was one of them.  

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  1. "Fantasy booking is of course gay"

    Jasse Baker #outed

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  2. So was the decision to put Orton over Benoit more "We need to get the title off of Benoit" or "We need to get the title onto Orton?" Cause I know Benoit wasn't setting the world on fire or anything.

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  3. I always assumed the plan was to put the title on Orton, given the way they'd built him up with the Legend Killer gimmick and the fact that Triple H couldn't get the title off Benoit. That said, he wound up being a transitional champion back to Triple H, which makes it sound like former.

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  4. I was always under the impression that Benoit's title run was set to end by SummerSlam at the lastest and that Orton was the guy they wanted to do it. That way they could get the title on him without having him go through HHH, saving the match till Mania. Of course they changed their minds and we know what we got instead.

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  5. Feeling so merry and gay...

    Anyway, I always played it out in my mind as Orton getting the strap and then the next night having a Benoit/HHH match to determine the #1 contender. Evolutions helps Trips win, thanks in part to new member Rob Conway, and they do the beatdown on Hunter.

    Hunter being a huge dick all of his life means he doesn't have a friend in the word...except Eugene, who continues to admire him despite what went down between them. Hunter grows a soft spot for him whilst still swearing vengeance. Sets up a HHH/Eugene/Flair vs Evolution match that ends with Flair being ran off and Eugene does a Keyser Soze reveal, turning on Hunter.

    Triple H takes time off, you have the nWoVw running the show and being cocky young punks who obviously don't deserve their spots but keep being successful due to using their superior numbers and willingness to be major assholes. You can still do the Batista turn, just against Randy, you can still do the Flair match in Charlotte with getting the people he might just win...and all of it gives a ton of experience and confidence to a guy who's expect to carry the company for the foreseeable future.

    /fantasybooking over.

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  6.  "Fantasy booking is of course gay, but there was a LOT wrong with the
    Evolution breakup and that would have been as good a way as any to pull
    it off."

    Scott:  Can you legitimately explain what about fantasy booking is either (a) homosexual, or (b) happy/merry/lively?   If not, what did you mean stating that fantasy booking is (of course!) gay?

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  7. I don't know about you, but I find fantasy booking very mirthful indeed! 

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  8. We wish Scott Keith the best in his future endevours

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  9. *psssssst!* Scott! People aren't supposed to say "gay" as a pejorative anymore! It's considered obtuse and bigoted in polite society!

    But yeah, the whole "Orton turns face by getting his ass kicked by the heels" thing was pretty weak. I've seen it done a little better before, though (Brutus Beefcake essentially turned face after his partner and pals turned on him at WrestleMania III, but he IMMEDIATELY got his heat back in the Hair vs. Hair Match).

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  10. Coming up next on the Blog of Doom: Why DQ finishes are for faggots

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  11. Because they suck.

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  12. Then consider me obtuse and bigoted. Will continue saying faggot, but with the caveat that if I offend you with it, I will gladly suck your dick. Well, probably not gladly.

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  13. It means it's self indulgent and a waste of time. Seriously?

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  14.  So why didn't he say that instead of using the word "gay" as a pejorative? (because he is kind of a shitty dude who has never really done anything or been anywhere in his life)

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  15.  Yeah, actually, being proud of being a shit is a fairly limited state of being. Like, how garbage isn't really much.

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  16. Scott, I realise that you are kind of a shitty dude, but it sucks for folks when you call so much attention to it.

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  17. I say faggot all the time. Why, just the other day I saw a big bundle of sticks lying on the ground and was like "boy, someone sure oughta pick up this faggot!" I shan't be offended, good sir.
    But I would still appreciate that dick-suck.

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  18. Hey, if that's all it takes to be a shit, guess I am what I am. But I am consistently amazed at the power rhetoric has. 

    I'm not white, and have never been offended by a simple word tossed at me. Guess I don't allow them the power - or maybe there are actual things to be offended at (wealth gap, employment gap, harassment in the workplace, etc. etc.) But really, tell me more about the destructive power of the word "gay."

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  19. Because gay is a much more interesting word, is more colorful and tends to bring out the loonies. As a writer, these are all goals you wish to accomplish when writing. 

    Wow, being judged by an internet person. Never seen that before. Will wonders never cease? How will I ever go on?

    And rest assured, you're completely right. It is totally HORRIBLE to use the word. It's not just you being gay about it. It's a horrible, horrible word. Up there with midget and retard.

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  20. "Waaaaaaa! How dare you Scott on your own blog type your own words and thoughts! Waaaaaaaaaa!" 

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  21. Well this topic got derailed thanks to a poor choice of words by Scott.  I find it amazing that folks can't see that using gay in that fashion is demeaning.  Try using this phrase for the next month, and see many times you get your ass kicked:  "I was watching such and such and it was so black/woman/hispanic.  When the person listening says, "Huh" make sure you explain that you are using those words to substitute for stupid.  Then lean back and wait for the violence. 

    And yes Dan, I know we should all be as enlightened as you and just not care.  Duly noted.

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  22. Almost every comment on this website could begin with "Waaaa". Doesn't make the comments any less valid.

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  23. Oh well if you're not white that changes everything.

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  24.  So I guess you aren't judging me? And you are somehow NOT an internet person?

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  25. exodus316 exodus316August 24, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    "Fantasy booking is of course gay..."

    Hmmm...maybe I was wrong about Dave being wrong about your writing.  I would go with:

    "Fantasy booking is of course Canadian..."

    Much better.

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  26.  Yeah, since language is never used as an instrument of harassment, or to further othering, or anything!

    You are clearly kind of a dope and I feel sort of sad for you, but your kids and kids' kids will be kind of grossed out by the shitty things that come out of your mouth. And yeah, there is going to be a universe of people who give you shit when you do dipshit stuff, so fucking deal with it, preferably with less insouciant whinging.

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  27.  "Waaaaaa! How dare someone respond to what someone wrote in a comment section devoted to that purpose! THAT IS THE REAL CENSORSHIP! FIRST AMENDMENT MEANS NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THE THINGS YOU SAY!"

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  28. You can always tell who's new to reading Scott and who's not by stuff like this. If you want to be offended, read any rant that features a Johnny B. Badd or Genuis match. Also feel free to look-up his Angle/HHH rant from one of the Rumbles talking about Bill Maher, dogs, and the mentally challenged.

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  29. I don't know about you guys but when I "fantasy book" I book the most interesting ways wrestlers could fuck each other in the ass. I like to book the great khali vs evan bourne as the main event

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  30. exodus316 exodus316August 24, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Even as a fan of Scott this made me laugh.  I am absolutely using this line on my Marketing Director in our next meeting.

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  31. Hey! My brother's a gay Canadian!

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  32.  My comments do not begin with "waaa". They are, however, punctuated with a "boo-yah!"

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  33. exodus316 exodus316August 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Brock on Brock action!

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  34. exodus316 exodus316August 24, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    No it doesn't.  Seriously.

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  35. Nope, not an internet person.  He's Dan, and he lives in a world where gay means "self indulgent and a waste of time".  I don't where that is, but there ya go.

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  36. Apropos of nothing save my curiosity, why do you have a doubled username?

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  37. I honestly don't know.  Looked all through my profile and cannot figure where it is duplicated or how to change it.  I've actually embraced it and now kind of like it.

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  38. It's definitely eye-catching.  It's reminiscent of Mr. Anderson's gimmick.

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  39. Oh great, now there's gonna be another 7 page thread on the F4W boards about me.

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  40.  So seriously, do you understand why this is a shitty thing to do? Do you ever hang out with any gay people (not at work, by your own choice and not a friend of a friend)?

    Basically, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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  41.  settle down.  The point has been made.  He isn't the first decent person to do it and won't be the last.  It's about education and saying "what the fuck is wrong with you" ain't going to get you very far.

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  42.  So a better tactic for getting people to change their behaviour is to ignore it and avoid any accountability.

    Dude, that is dumb as pig-shit.

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  43.  um, the fact that about 10 different people called him out for it is holding him accountable.  Use your own debating style, but I doubt it gets you very far and I wouldn't blame him if he banned you.  after all it is his blog and no matter what he says, calling him names and telling him he's "kinda a shitty dude" isn't exactly friendly. 

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  44. I just read an entire comments section on a subject titled "HHH/Eugene", and instead of reading 42 or comments about said subject, I read mostly about people bitching about the fact that Scott used the word "gay".

    I have a feeling this SeanRobinson guy is in fact not pissed that Scott used the word "gay", but more along the lines that this guy doesn't do anything with his life BUT fantasy book wrestling, and is offended that Scott called it gay. 

    This is Dr. Frasier Crane saying good day, and good mental health.

    And seriously, this entire argument is gay, get over it.

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  45.  I'm not particularly friendly to homophobes, sorry! Also, when ten people comment on it and his only post is to blithely ignore what he said and not actually talk about it, that is some shady, wussy behaviour. If he doesn't think he made a mistake, he should stand by what he said and if not, he should talk about it. Ignoring it is fucking gross.

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  46. Well, that is a pretty unimaginative reading, but you seem like a pretty garbagey-dude so no shock is registered. Fantasy booking wrestling is pretty weird and sad, which is SPECIFICALLY why it is gross to call it "gay". If this is the front of the culture war you desperately want to be a part of, comment what you said under your real name. Embrace being a shitpile.

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  47. Unless you're at an age where you still need to use your cootie repellent on a regular basis there's just no good reason to use "gay" as a perjorative term.  It's not offensive to me because of the latent homophobia it implies, it offends me because it is just really lazy writing.

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  48. See, that at least is an argument I can deal with.

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  49. You want my real name? Click on my user name. Same difference.

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  50. The real question is, what's wrong with you?

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  51. Whatever scott, fuck these guys they're gay.

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  52. Ahhhh the old fag-o-meter

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  53. A person who used the word gay to describe something is a shitty dude who has never really done anything or been anywhere in his life?

    Really? 

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  54. As long as he doesn't make me want to leave this board like Mr. Anderson makes me want to change the channel, he's good.

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  55. Writers try to bring out the loonies when they write? That's new to me.

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  56. Fantasy booking is as useless as telling Kobe Bryant no.

    /AW

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  57.  Dude, I agree with you that it was a shitty thing for him to say. But pick your battles; the energy you've been expending in here replying to everyone may be better spent on an anti-homophobia campaign/education seminar/whatever somewhere that matters (ie not a wrestling board).

    Maybe you already do that; I don't know. All I'm saying is all you'll get in here is people who already agree with you or those who will make sarcastic replies and won't agree with you. So it just seems pointless to me.

    I'm sure Scott regrets the comment and likely won't do it again due to all the backlash so why keep it goin'?

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  58. I used to use "gay" as a term to label something as bad all the time. But then when I became friends with some gay people, I realized that it could be pretty hurtful.

    So now I just use the word "lame". And Homer-sexual because it's funny to my gay friends. 8 )

    Be A Star!

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  59. Well Scott you have your own forum to explain your own word choice and why fantasy booking is gay... but that's too much to ask of you I guess.

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  60. Clearly. Though, as a gay man, it's gonna be a bit difficult for me to have kids. (One of the perks, let me tell you.) Stop being such a fag about it. You're making the rest of us look bad.

    And you're not giving me shit, just making me laugh. 

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  61. No, no, it does. Check your gay dictionary. It's been that way since the third edition.

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  62. Well then, stick around, I might just educate you some.

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  63. Oh, ZING! I love me some demagogues.

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  64. See, there's your problem. You think you're fighting a culture war, when in reality you're just a putz who can't help but stick his nose into other people's business.

    Culture war? No thanks, I'm a pacifist.

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  65. Seems pretty self-explanatory to me...which part confuses you?

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  66. "Dude, that is dumb as pig-shit."

    Yeah. But you're still here, so...

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  67. I don't think you'd recognize a homophobe if he slapped his dick in your face.

    I'm playing in Birmingham, tonight, by the way. Come out and see me, there'll be more of the same. Please, come educate me about the real power of words. 

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  68. god, why are you making me defend someone who's going way over the top?   Pointing out that Scott was wrong was NOT sticking in your nose in someone else's business anymore than speaking up when someone says the "N" word is getting in someone else's business.  It takes people pointing stuff out like this to change culture, whether it be homophobia, racism, or sexism. 

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  69. Dan, the part that confuses me is that Scott is willing to complain about threads on another board but hasn't actually addressed his word choice beyond simple lazy writing. He has others responding to all who rightfully hold him to task for using terminology without actually suggesting himself his own choice of words. Instead he appears happy to perpetuate the stereotype that wrestling fans are unintelligent or bigots. Ironic as wrestling is one of the more homoerotic forms of entertainment but one particular aspect of it (fantasy booking) is gay, by his own admission.

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  70. You're a Doug Stanhope fan, aren't ya?

    I'm so conflicted, being one of those liberal fuckers that doesn't think hate speech should go unchecked and all, but I love his stuff. 

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  71. Does responding to comments on a wrestling forums indicate that you yoursef are gay Dan? Since proudly expressing yourself as an obtuse bigot on a site devoted to muscleheads play fighting in tights/speedos is pretty self indulgent and really a waste of time to those interested in thoughtful discourse.

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  72. Com...maybe it's not everyone's job to change the culture? And maybe there's a time and a place, no? I'm 100% sure I'm a prick. I'm cool with that though. And I have a few good points I bring.

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  73. See, now I feel like I should be offended that everyone lost their minds over Scott using "gay" as an insult but no one but me (and even then, rarely) says anything about him saying "retard" frequently. 

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  74. I am indeed gay. But its not my identity, just my sexuality. Have no problem with words. Been called much worse and much more personal stuff than faggot. Faggot is a very broad word and we use it to describe many many things. And I'm totally ok with that, and in fact endorse it on stage. Same with gay.

    And I didn't proclaim being an obtuse bigot - just didn't see the point in arguing a baseless claim. Seems silly and pedantic.

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  75. Not quite, but we're colleagues. And it's an old joke, first heard Paul Provenza use it in 96.

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  76. What do you do onstage?  Are you a standup comic? I mean no offense by asking; I'm merely curious.  If it's none of my business, sorry to have bothered you.

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  77. Actually, I've been reading Keith for years. He admitted the old stuff was a bit embarassing (or just tragically un-PC) in one of his Scott Sez bits, but I remember it. I was just politely pointing it out, as several people had already commented on the offhand use of "gay" (which I am less offended by, and more confused by- how is fantasy booking capable of fucking fantasy bookings of the same gender?).

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  78. Part of winning the "battle" is to make comments when people say things you don't like, and thus possibly have a hope of either correcting them, or getting them to knock it off or do it less publically (either way, a "win" for our side). I'm not as horribly offended as others (though I personally stopped using "gay" as a pejorative years ago because I found it disrespectful and nonsensical), but this kind of thing is getting more and more called-out as being a bad thing to do.

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  79. But "lame" offends the crippled... sorry, "differently abled". You know, gimps.

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  80. gays are more common than retards. Retard is also a descriptive term (mentally retarded just means "mentally slow", which is pretty much exactly what their problem is), that just gets used as a pejorative because... well, an entire group of people who's problem is that they are dumber than normal people are going to have their name used as a pejorative, no matter WHAT the current PC name is (see, "you're a bit SLOW" or "heh heh, he's SPECIAL"). The Euphemism Treadmill is the problem in THAT case. What Scott did is essentially use a description for a whole group of people as a negative just because they're dudes who like the butts of other dudes.

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  81. Well Dan, I too am gay, but in the Monique Wittig sense of term, hence it encompasses an identity beyond sexuality, but a stronger feeling of social otherness from established gender roles.  Thus, to claim that it's ok to use terms like gay/faggot/whathaveyou, you continue to suggest that its ok to discriminate (discrimihate) against those who do not fit the perception of "normal."   I find that incredibly sad when many homosexuals are fighting an uphill battle for equivalent rights as heterosexuals because many others don't find the humor/irony/whatever your reasoning is in using gay a pejorative, but do so seriously as a manner to express disdain, ridicule, and superiority. 

    Not to get too sidetracked, but if you have no problem with words (any words, I suppose), then what do you feel about Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" comment?   Does it suggest a simple misuse of semantics or a express a deeper rooted feeling of women's roles in society, especially compared to men's?   How does that relate to something as innocuous as fantasy booking being outright labeled as gay in a contemptuous manner?  Mind you, Scott himself has yet to comment on what he really intended -- which is less than we can say for Akin.

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  82. Oh my gosh! I hadn't even considered that. You're right.

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  83. You're right. I guess since this one was so blatant, people were more up in arms.

    I do remember Chin saying it in a discussion not long ago and getting flamed so bad, he went on "vacation" for a week.

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  84.  Well that all came from me though.

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  85. It's not an uphill battle anymore. We won. Now it's just counting down the time. 

    Akin? Whatever, he's entitled to his opinion. Some people think the world is only 6000 years old, so, whatever. What bothers me is that he's in a position of semi-power. But that can be rectified. Otherwise, what he said? Couldn't care less. People believe all sorts of crazy shit. Just don't enforce it on others.

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  86. Wait, wait, wait... what have we won?  The right to marry in only six states (plus DC)?  The right to pay ridiculous amounts of legal fees to get "separate but equal" civil union rights in 11 states, many with even less rights granted to married heterosexual couples.  The federal government won't even recognize gay marriage, instead deferring to the Defense of Marriage Act, which also makes it so no state has to recognize a marriage (or civil union) granted in another state ... ironically, you would think a defense of marriage act would ban divorce, but gays are a stronger threat to marriage somehow.  Four states have even passed laws banning granting any rights to same-sex couples equivalent to marriage.  What about states who have passed gay-marriage laws only to have them challenged to a public voting referendum, because civil rights should come to a popular vote?  (Maryland, California...).   Adoption by same-sex couples is only legal in 12 states ... in fact, many others use rhetoric barring unmarried couples from adopting, and through not recognizing gay marriage, use this to prohibit gay couples from adopting.  No federal anti-discrimination laws regarding gays, with only 20 states enacting their own.  (Hate crimes, not withstanding).  While much progress has been made, and the tide is turning, there are still great hurdles to pass.  So, to act like we've won and are simply biding our time... is a bit like Bush proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" in 2003, while hundreds of soldiers died in Iraq (and thousands injured) per year for the next 8 years.  

    Anyways, regarding Akin, nobody is saying he isn't entitled to his bigoted opinion, we all are.  The allusion to Akin is that his simple (mis)use of words reveals deeper issues on about how he actually feels about women/women's rights.  Throwing gay around as a descriptive pejorative does much of the same.  But at least when Akin was called out on his semantic choice, he addressed it. apologized for inadvertently offending seemingly everybody, and clarified his thoughts.  Scott has yet to do so here.

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