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Comics - Where to begin?

Scott -

The flux of Marvel and DC movies has created interest in comics everywhere.  I've never read a comic in my life, but the movies have intrigued me enough to where I quickly rush home to Wikipedia to get more information on these characters/worlds/villians, trying to find easter eggs in the movies, etc.  As you would imagine, Wikipedia isn't always the most consistent source.

My question is...as a potential first timer reading comics...where in the world do I start?  With so many deaths and restarts happening all the time in every franchise, I would love an opinion from you and/or your bloggers on where someone with no real history with any characters (besides movies) can get an accurrate start.  Thanks.

Phew, that's a toughie.  Usually comics are something where you start reading as a kid and form your attachments based on those early memories of it.  The whole problem for newer readers to comics in general is that sequential art is not something that necessarily lends itself well to easy figuring.  It's not like a standard book where you just read the words left to right, there's a lot of figuring out if things are moving up and down or side-to-side depending on how the page is laid out and such.  The second problem is that the comics industry is such an insular group to begin with -- I'm a pretty hardcore comics guy and even I don't like hanging out in comic shops.  That's why I buy everything digitally now.  Which might actually work well for you, because if you check out comixology.com there's a wide variety of free comics you can check out to sample stuff.  The thing is, you never know what you like until you read some stuff and figure out what you like.  If you're just interested in the standard capes and tights stuff, DC and Marvel are generally your best bets, and they're falling all over themselves to welcome new readers at this point.  DC in particular just did a whole month of "#0" issues a year after rebooting the entire universe (don't ask), and any of them are a good starting point for that particular title. Marvel is also doing a similar deal with Marvel Now, although on a much smaller scale.  Most of Marvel's books have an incredibly handy "Previously on Lost..." type of recap at the beginning that makes it easy to jump in, regardless.   

Generally speaking, the safest bet is Watchmen.  Everyone's got a copy, whether comics nerds or not, and it's basically one of the greatest comics stories ever done.  You can find it at any bookstore for a reasonable price, too.  If you're wanting to sample a normal monthly title, try Batman.  You'll already know the characters from the movies, it's a great book and very new reader friendly, and everyone loves Batman anyway.  Superman frankly sucks right now so unless you want to delve into the classic stuff, I'd avoid him.  There's also Justice League, which has the big seven heroes that everyone knows and is the biggest selling comic on the market right now.  On the Marvel side, everyone is connected to either the Avengers or X-Men at this point, and Uncanny Avengers (combining the two teams!) just launched, plus it's got Captain America, Thor, and Wolverine and everyone knows who they are.  

Hope that helps as a start.

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  1. If you liked The Avengers, buy the collected sets of Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men. Chances are you'll like those too.

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  2. I was in this same boat months ago, and I read Watchmen on everyone's recommendation. I loved it, I've become nearly obsessed with it (I'm planning on getting the skeleton/A-bomb version of the Hiroshima Lovers tattooed on me sometime this year) but now I have no idea where to go next. Generally I'd like to keep things corralled into single graphic novels or collections. There's a lot of Batman ones I'd like to dig into (Year One, Dark Knight Rises, Knightfall, Killing Joke, etc.) but I'm not sure what I need to know ahead of time. So I haven't gotten anything yet.

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  3. Generally speaking, the safest bet is Watchmen. Everyone's got a copy,
    whether comics nerds or not, and it's basically one of the greatest
    comics stories ever done.


    Never read it, never had it, never really cared to look into it, even when the movie came out. *shrug* Maybe someday.

    Not disputing its worth, mind you. Only reason I read The Dark Knight Returns was b/c I think my folks got me a copy at some point.

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  4. I love the idea of comics, but as I've said over and over and will continue to say, I gave up some 10 or 11 years ago when I couldn't handle the endless crossovers, jacked up prices, a zillion + 1 covers, multiple titles for the same character/team, one-shots/special outside story arcs... plus I just didn't have time to read them all without having to fly through them; nothing stuck.

    Plus I don't like how polished and over-produced they are. No charm whatsoever, no matter how good the art might be.

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  5. For dc, I say mark waids flash stuff, batman long Halloween, Scott Snyder' batman, jla year one by waid,grant Morrison's all star superman or Kevin Smith's green arrow

    For marvel, the essential Spiderman graphic novels are brill reads, ed brubackers Spiderman run, and daredevil (Frank Miller's,bendis's,brubackers, Kevin Smith's and waids current run), runaways, ultimates by mark Millar, ultimate Spiderman or Rick remenders uncanny force

    For vertigo, y the last man, sandman, fables or preacher.

    From Indies, the boys, saga, or the walking dead.

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  6. If there is a concern of over how to read comics, I would suggest Scott McCloud's book "Understanding comics."

    I personally haven't read much in the way of comics in years. I was an avid collector in the 90s. I still read a trade paperback every once in awhile that my brother recommends. From my perspective, stuff that doesn't require a ton of prior knowledge, is good, and is available in a TPB would Batman Year One by Frank Miller. A lot of Batman TPBs can be enjoyed as stand alones. Although it has a bit of stuff that may be go over your head, I recommend the TPB of Batman: No Man's Land to be fascinating, mostly because living near a couple of places like Flint and Detroit, the story actually rings true. The Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn from the late 80s is a good origin story, even if that probably has been obliterated in the continuity by now. I do like Watchmen. I really liked the Ultimate Spiderman stuff. And if you are adventerous, you might check out some "indie" comics. If you are old enough to have remember grunge, check out "Hate" by Peter Bagge. And you generally can't go wrong with TPBs of Sandman by Neil Gaiman.

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  7. Oh, and the young Loki stories on.journey into mystery, the incredible Hercules with Greg pak, and warren Ellis's next wave are all awesome

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  8. The only comics I read as a kid were the Archie Comics version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

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  9. I'd echo the Watchmen suggestion, as it's really the only "superhero" series I've read in the past couple of decades, and it's really solid. My brief fascination with comics in early teenagehood centred on the Death of Superman arc.

    These days I'm more into Daniel Clowes.

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  10. I think Watchmen is a horrible choice for someone that has never read a comic book. A large part of its appeal is how it deconstructs what came before it, as well as how it sort of kickstarted the whole dark and gritty era(even if Moore didn't really mean to). Plus compared to the movies-even the Watchmen movie- the comic might seem boring and not very superheroey.

    I would suggest Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier personally if you're looking for something similar to the scope of Watchmen with a brighter tone.

    For Spiderman, you can't go wrong with Bendis's Ultimate Spiderman. It's probably one of the stronger works overall, and the latest movies take their cue from them.

    X-Men, I would say Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run. It was basically designed as a reintroduction to the X-Men after all the weirdness of Morrison. Plus it has the witty dialogue of Avengers.

    Batman- Snyder's current run is really good. It's not really like the movies, but it's great nonetheless.

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  11. I was always more into the indie type stuff. I really want all of Los Bros Hernandez's Maggie & Hopey stories on Kindle, because they're hard to find in print.

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  12. I loved those comics! It was amazing that during the height of TMNT mania, there was no real version for kids in the comic medium. Mirage was really hard to get for a little dork like me but Archie was great...although it got really weird as the issues went by.

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  13. I was going to suggest Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man as well. A perfect starting point for a new reader.

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  14. I hear ya. I left after the Spider-Man cloning disaster but got back into it with Grant Morrison's Batman. Now I limit my enjoyment to Batman and indie stuff like Invincible and Walking Dead.

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  15. If you like gritty stuff, check out 100 Bullets or my personal favourite, Scalped.

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  16. Like the Mutanimals? Though their origin story (which was like 3 or 4 issues rolled into 1) was awesome.

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  17. As far as DC Comics go (I'm not much of a Marvel guy, so I'll stick with what I know), there is something for all kinds of taste, and it can lead into other stuff.

    Like police procedurals? Pick up Gotham Central and maybe get hooked on the Batman world.

    Enjoy Star Wars or Star Trek? Check out Green Lantern.

    Lost or Fringe? Check out Grant Morrison's Animal Man (which should lead to the current run of Animal Man, which is excellent as well).

    Kevin Smith movies? Check out his run on Green Arrow.

    From the newest run of DC's New 52, I would check out Animal Man, Justice League, Justice League Dark, Green Lantern and Batman.

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  18. You need to know nothing going into all of those Batman books, save Knightfall. Also, Knightfall is several levels below the other three episodes you just mentioned and I assume you mean "Dark Knight Returns."

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  19. Grant Morrison gave the X-franchise a much-needed kick in the ass, and Whedon relayed it in the right direction.

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  20. I'd sub Arkham Asylum in for Knightfall, and you're good to go. Like TenGermans said, Knightfall is way below the other three in terms of quality. Arkham Asylum is on their level.

    And since you enjoyed Watchmen so much, an easy transition might be to explore more of Alan Moore's bibliography. I highly recommend V for Vendetta, From Hell, and Lost Girls in terms of single collections. There's also a new collection called DC Universe by Alan Moore, which includes Killing Joke and his essential Superman stories, "For the Man Who Has Everything" and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", among other interesting odds and ends. Might be nice way to kill two birds with one stone, by getting Killing Joke and sampling the larger DC Comics via Moore.

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  21. Criminal, Sleeper (including its oft-overlooked prelude, Point Blank), and Gotham Central are outstanding crime series as well. But yeah, Scalped is the best of the bunch.

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  22. Fantagraphics is reprinting all the earlier Los Bros work in bargain priced digest books. I just got the first Maggie & Hopey book a few weeks ago for like $13 on Amazon. It's really great to read again in a convenient size.

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  23. I think it all depends on what kind of experience the emailer is looking to have. Do you just want the best possible self-contained comics, regardless of whether or not they 'count' anymore (or ever did)? Or are you looking to dive into the ongoing, shared-universe stuff that's currently canon? There might be some crossover between those two, but by and large they're going to produce different recommendations. I kind of get the vibe that you were looking for the latter; the current serial experience. Let me know, and I'm sure we can point you in the right direction.

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  24. If you like sci-fi, action, romance & humor, I cannot recommend Saga highly enough. Published by Image Comics, six issues are out so far, and a trade of them was just released.

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  25. The copy I bought a few years back has it. Perhaps they took it out for the new version?

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  26. Cool. The only collection I saw on Amazon was the big $50 hardcover coffee table sized one. I'm mainly interested in Jaime's stuff, all the LA punk scene stuff and the Death of Speedy & the like. But I imagine if I read it all I'd want to get more into Beto's Palomar stuff, I've read some before & liked it.

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  27. I actually picked up the trade with the first 13 issues for $10. It's just fantastic stuff and I'm shocked how much I enjoyed the relationship between Peter and MJ here moreso than the "real" comics. I've been digging into the rest of the series on Marvel Digital Unlimited lately as a result, although the weird numbering is throwing me off a bit.

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  28. There are two versions.

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  29. Knightfall is actually better than DKR. Because DKR is garbage.

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  30. Wait until bendis puts himself in it.

    Ultimate spiderman seems really good. Hell, I bought like the first twelve trades. Then I realized it was just Spider-man's Greatest Hits told in an extremely drawn out fashion.

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  31. Yeah, I'd really need this question to be more specific. Like I wouldn't recommend Sandman to the same person I'd recommend astro city.

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  32. sometimes a re-imagining, whether comic or movie, can be interesting if it's well done. I simply enjoyed seeing the origins and the characters modernized. Gave it a different twist. Was he coming up with amazingly fresh stories? Nope. But the dialogue was good and it was a new setting, so it made it quite enjoyable for me

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  33. I've always been a Jaime fan, too. The big hardcover is nice, but the paperback digests end up reprinting more material. (The big hardcover skipped some stuff.) And the $13 price is right, too!

    Beto's stuff is awesome, too. I still love how he took his character from a porn comic he did as a teenager and gave her an entire story.

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  34. I've always felt that Watchmen works best if you've been reading comics for a while since it's such flip-the-superhero-genre on its head kinda thing. It's still very good on its own, but it's just that all the stuff they did stands out more if you know how traditional superhero comics are done.

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  35. Funny, I was just reading this Rolling Stone interview with Clowes and the Hernandezes yesterday: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/q-a-comix-stars-daniel-clowes-chris-ware-and-gilbert-and-jaime-hernandez-20120926

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  36. Man everytime I figure you a douche, you say something I completely agree with. DKR sucks so much!

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  37. If you never got read a comic book before in your life and had to pick up one story.


    Any Chris Claremont Uncanny X-men.


    Dark Phoenix
    Brood Saga
    Fall of The Mutants
    Inferno
    Xtinction Agenda
    Mutant Massacre


    DOES NOT MATTER.


    Those are classics. Watchmen is for nerds.

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  38. but then all of bendis's character became voiced like ultimate sipdey... even 616 spidey... it became annoying.

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  39. If you dont wanna be tied down by years and years of continuity.


    Supreme Power.

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  40. well all I read is ultimate spidey. my brother recommended it so I picked up- the TPB and kept picking them up. I think I read the first 9 or 10 TPBs.

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  41. Another one I really liked, and that is self-contained is Powers. It is a take on the neuroses of superheroes, but even a rudimentary knowledge of the basic DC and Marvel characters gives you enough to have a solid base to read it.

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  42. yea read that new avengers after the 1st arc... ALL SPIDEY ALL THE TIME

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  43. If you are looking at Marvel the easiest jumping on point is Secret Wars. Basic plot is a cosmic kidnaps all the major heroes and villains and strands them on alien planet to fight for his amusement. It's one of the the two best major crossovers Marvel's ever published, but more importantly for a new reader you get Spider-man, Hulk, Cap and the Avengers, the Fantastic Four and X-Men all in one story along with major villains like Dr. Doom, Doc Ock, Magneto and Galactus so it's a nice quick who's who to see who you like.

    For individual trade paperbacks:

    For Captain America I always say "War and Remembrance" by Roger Stern is the perfect book to show a new reader why Cap is a great. It includes his origin and a World War II story, Cap as Marvel's idealist moral center as he's asked to run for president, Cap in a WWII comes back to haunt him story with german spy Baron Von Strucker and Nazi vampire Baron Blood, Cap in a hopelessly overmatched story vs. Dragon Man and some of the run of the mill superheroics vs Batroc and Mr. Hyde. So really it hits all of the notes you see repeated in Cap's mythology in just nine quick chapters (well except for the Red Skull but Strucker and Blood are a variation of what he represents).

    The first Winter Soldier volume by Ed Brubaker is also an easy jumping on point for Cap and has a great mystery noir vibe to it you don't often see in comics.

    For Avengers, Kurt Busiek's Avengers Assemble run is the best it's ever been and is accessible to new readers.

    For X-men, while pricey Astonishing X-men by Joss Whedon is an easy jumping on point and has the same writing standards Whedon entertained with in Buffy tv show and the Avengers movie.

    Finally for Spider-man, If you want something recent the best Spidey story this millenium is clearly "Coming Home" by JMS and as its the first story of his arc so it's very new reader accessible with fabulous art and an intriguing plot. The current Dan Slott run also started on with a very good story in Big Time which has a more urban style Spidey story and features several of the series oft recurring characters in Black Cat, Hobgoblin and Kingpin. Spidey's early years (collected in color in Marvel Milestones or in black & white in Essentials) are also always worth reading to see what made the character great right from the very start.

    Anyway as the regular trade paperback reviewer hope that helps.

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  44. The first comic book I ever bought was TMNT Adventures 7 where the Turtles travel to another dimension and wrestle in the Intergalactic Wrestling Federation. As a 5 year old, my mind was blown that my two loves (Turtles and Wrestling) were combined in one book.

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  45. Start with Batman Year One. Hands down my favorite Batman novel. You need to know nothing going in and it's cheap on amazon. Next, I'd recommend the new Batman series by Scott Snyder, which is collected in Batman vol 1. The Court of Owls. I haven't seen a negative review of Snyder's Batman and since it came out with the DC relaunch, it's designed to be new reader friendly. You should also try out Batman The Long Halloween, which was one of the first Batman stories I ever read and is generally revered. My last Batman recommendation is Batman: Mad Love, which collects some stories written by Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, the guys who made the incredible Batman the Animated Series. Mad Love is the story of Harley Quinn's origin and is one of the best single issues ever, in my opinion. Those are my four recommendations. All are easy to find and pretty inexpensive.

    Knightfall is so 90's and is not really my cup of tea. There are at least a dozen better and more accessible Batman stories that you should pick up before Knightfall. Dark Knight Returns is a classic and deserves to be read, but it's not one of my favorites. It is required reading for every Batman fan in that it pretty much redefined the character and started Batman on the path to become the modern day Dark Knight, but I'm not as big a fan as a lot of people. I think Miller's best work is definitely Year One.

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  46. I think everyone has made some great recommendations. I'll throw in some myself.

    As others have said, Ultimate Spider-Man is a great series for new readers. Totally accessible and captures the spirit of the character perfectly. For a more recent Spidey run, you could pick up Dan Slott's "Big Time" story arch. He does reference prior Spidey stories, but does so in a way that brings you up to speed rather than confuse you.

    Invincible from Image Comics is a personal favorite. You get the big, fun superhero story, but with some shocking twists and insane blood and guts moments. I can't recommend this series enough. It's about 95 issues in and it's been great all the way through. My recommendation is to read the first two trade paperbacks as things really kick into high gear in volume 2.

    For DC, you can't beat Batman: Year One. I think it's the best Batman story ever and it's totally new reader friendly. If you're looking for Superman stories, try out Birthright by Mark Waid or For All Seasons by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale. Those are both great and new reader friendly.

    I don't want to make my list much longer, so I'll leave it at that. DC just relaunched all of their titles, so you could pick up volume 1 of any of those and you won't need any prior knowledge. It also doesn't hurt to go to your local comic shop (if you have one) and talk to the employees. I know some comic shop employees can be dicks, but when I was getting back in as an adult, I would often ask for suggestions at the store and everyone I talked to was happy to oblige.

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  47. When I started reading comics (early-mid 80s), I started with limited series, as they were self-contained stories that didn't carry all the continuity baggage. I think the first I bought was Chris Claremont and John Bolton's excellent 6-issue medieval fantasy The Black Dragon. Matt Wagner's first Mage series (15-issues) was tremendous. Really, there was lots of good stuff from that period, both from the Big Two (especially Marvel's Epic line) and numerous high-end independent publishers (First, Comico, Eclipse, Fantagraphics, et al). This was also the time Eagle Comics started reprinting Judge Dredd and other 2000AD strips here, and they were both great and unlike anything American (especially Nemesis the Warlock).

    I think the first ongoing series I bought was the now-classic Moore/Bissette/Totleben Swamp Thing. First Comics' Nexus and Grimjack are also way up there.

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  48. His Avengers stuff is unreadable at times, but that doesn't mean his Ultimate work is the same. His Ultimate work is very, very good. Same with how Jeph Loeb is a great Batman writer but a terrible Marvel Comics writer in general.

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  49. If you're interested in an ongoing series, pick up the first volume of Scott Snyder's ongoing Batman series. It's called The Court of Owls and can be found pretty cheap on Amazon. From there, your local comic shop should have most of the single issues that have followed (#7-13 and #0).

    The following Batman stories help for reference (and are crucial to understanding the character): Year One, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory and (if you're reading Snyder's run) Gates of Gotham and The Black Mirror (my pick for best Batman story in the last nine years).

    If you like more sci-fi stuff, I cannot recommend Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run highly enough. Unfortunately, it's really steeped in continuity, so you kind of have to read the entirety of the run to fully appreciate it, but it's worth it.

    GL: Rebirth is awesome, but I'd recommend skipping it and starting with the first volume, "No Fear," which is available for $10 on Amazon.

    If you're more into classic runs, James Robinson's Starman is tremendous.

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  50. In addition to your suggestions: DKR is indeed amazing and right on par with Year One, if not a little better on a metatextual level. I love Knightfall, though I'd limit that to primarily the first trade collection. Everything after Azrael kind of goes off the rails, and the ending is the most disappointing to any story, I think. Still, the first volume is amazing, particularly if you read it after "A Death in the Family."

    Batman: Hush is my favorite story arc of all time, because it got me back into comics after a five-year hiatus.

    Batman: Dark Victory is a great companion piece to Long Halloween, though not quite as good.

    Batman: Broken City is one of the most underrated Batman arcs, in my view.

    And finally, Superman/Batman: Public Enemies is just terrific fun, with a well-written Batman.

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  51. They did. And they added his Wildstorm odds and ends, like Voodoo: Dancing in the Dark, Deathblow: Byblows, and an awesome Majestic short story. Not exactly a fair trade.

    There's actually three versions. The oldest, which I own, doesn't have Killing Joke or "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?".

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  52. Only someone inside the comic book bubble would say that Secret Wars--a book starring nearly every Marvel character--is an easy jumping on point. Or that it's even good enough to bear the flag for the whole medium. I wish I weren't singling you out, but this shit drives me up a wall. We're purportedly advocating on behalf of this dying medium, that needs all the readers it can get, and you're suggesting Secret Wars to someone who's not 8 years old, or already a comics reader, in 2012? Think, people.

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  53. The very problem is that nobody TRIES to get 8-year-olds to read comics anymore, because they're mostly incomprehensible to kids.

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  54. Guess I got the best one then! Got both of 'em.

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  55. I actually sought out the version I have, because I already owned Killing Joke and "Whatever Happened" separately. But yours is definitely the "best" version. This new one seems like a step back. I don't think anyone would trade Killing Joke for some of Moore's worst writing, in Voodoo and Deathblow.

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  56. I didn't mean to imply that there shouldn't be comics aimed at 8 year old's, just that the emailer didn't sound like one. I absolutely think there needs to be more in-continuity all-ages comics. Both big publishers have small kids lines aimed at younger readers, but I think they're ineffective--among other reasons--because the perception is that they're talking down to kids. The kids comics are ghettoized and don't "count". When we were younger, the "real" comics were age-appropriate, and new-reader friendly (crossovers like Secret Wars notwithstanding). There's no reason Marvel and DC can't offer a handful of books set within their main continuity that are all-ages appropriate.

    Marvel's recent Thor: The Mighty Avenger is as close to an existing example of what I'm talking about. With a couple tweaks it could've been set in the 616-universe, and it was fucking brilliant, and it was appropriate for all-ages.

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  57. Asking where to start with comics is like asking, where to start with watching tv. There is literally something for every genre and taste. All good suggestions on here but even with all these recommendations you are probably overwhelmed right now. You said you watched comic movies so use that as your guide. For instance I have tried to get my sister into comics for years and she has fallen in love with the Avengers. She now buys Avengers Assemble and Hawkeye on a monthly basis. Does she know much of anything about the Avengers older stories? No. Does she need to, to enjoy the stories? No. I mean I have been buying monthly comics since I was eleven and I still am finding out about stories I missed that I knew nothing about. My point is start small and expand out from there. You'll find the writers you like and hate along the way. If all else fails buy anything by Scott Snyder!

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  58. Yeah, and to me, it's not even a problem of the sex and the violence, it's the convoluted plots moreso than anything.

    As you said, modern kids' comics are, frankly, dumb. I remember being a kid and reading Stern/Jurgens/Simonson's Superman and Claremont's X-Men and being able to 100 percent follow what was happening. Occasionally they'd get me to look up a word I hadn't heard before and start using it. There is definitely a happy medium between "Brave and the Bold Adventures" and "Batman: RIP."

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  59. All good choices on your end. When I started reading comics as an adult back in 2003/2004ish, Batman: Hush and Public Enemies were two of the first things I read and I loved both of them. I still haven't picked up Broken City, I'll have to check it out.

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