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Couple of Questions

Hey Scott,

I've got a couple of questions for you, and would appreciate your insight.

1) What was the deal with WWE no longer doing those UK Pay Per Views anymore? Is it because they weren't making any money on doing pay-per-views for just the UK and Europe? Or was it because they wanted to start taping Raw and Smackdown over here twice a year, and PPVs on top would have been overkill?

2) I would love to know your opinions The Miz and Sin Cara. Are they any good in your eyes, or a complete waste of time?

Thanks.

1)  It was indeed because they weren't making any money.  

2) Miz was terrible, got a lot better, but hit a plateau sometime around the first Cena feud and the problem is that they just kept pushing him way past the level where he should have settled into the midcard.  Miz trading the IC title with Kofi is fine, Miz wrestling Cena in the main event of Wrestlemania is a fucking joke.  He's a robot who reads his lines the way that the writers write them, and that's fine for a midcard guy, but not for someone who was supposed to be a main event guy.  Sin Cara is fine doing exactly what he's doing and hopefully he'll be smarter about injuries than Rey Mysterio was.

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  1. Hmmm. You really think he reads his lines? I'm not sure - think he falls back on the "Really?" so much that it genuinely seems like he's thinking of the next thing to say.

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  2. The problem wasn't pushing Miz to that level or him main eventing WM. It was completely burying him under the Rock/Cena stuff and structuring the worst possible match. And then throwing him way down the card like a month later.


    One of the big problems WWE has is that they never commit to new guys for more than 3 months or so. Even with all the baggage Miz's first title run had, if they keep him at that level, fans would have perceived him as a star because he is always at that level(Randy Orton Syndrome).


    When you throw him back down into the endless pit of mid-carders after only a few months, fans' suspicions of Miz just being a lucky jobber are proven.

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  3. Structuring the match in the worst way? Maybe. But that match was awful in more ways than one. Cena had an off night or something--he looked terrible during that match and had a couple of memorable (for me) botches.


    I've always thought that a three month commitment is fine...as long as those three months are spaced apart. If a guy can fight back to the main event once or twice, people will see him as more credible and it'll reduce the repetition in PPV cards.

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  4. That whole thing was just odd. They went into the big reversal/finisher spots like 5 minutes into the match and then of course the terrible finish. Whoever came up that idea is an idiot.


    I'm not saying Miz should have been in all the main events that year. Look at Orton for example, when he isn't in a main event, they still treat his shit as important.

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  5. I really like sin cara.

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  6. Miz fucking sucks, Sin Cara is OK, I just wish he had more cruiserweight guys to work with.

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  7. The Miz is fine, but there are PILES of guys better then him that aren't even employed nationally

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  8. In any other era, Miz doesn't even smell the IC or the mid-card.

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  9. Meh. You could say them same about some 80's guys if they came up now.

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  10. Sam Houston could main event in any arena in this country, thankyouverymuch.

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  11. That would only be because they don't fit into the cookie cutter mold that exist for most guys today. Otherwise, name some guys that were IC champs and/or mid-card guys that wouldn't make it today. Shit, we live in an era where Jack Swagger (and Miz for that matter) were World Champs.

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  12. Beefcake off the top of my head.

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  13. A 6'2"-6'3" dude who's jacked and can talk? Yeah, he'd have no shot.

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  14. It would pretty hard cutting coked out promos and not getting popped for Wellness.

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  15. I didn't think we were throwing stipulations in the discussion. By that criteria, you can eliminate a ton of guys incluing 1996-98 Shawn Michaels.

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  16. Didn't Miz or Cena get a concussion early in the match, which is why it was such a turd? That at least explains the low quality but it doesn't explain the lousy buildup. "Hey, let's have our new-headliner WWE champ face the top star...oh, but first let's bring back a huge legend from the past to jaw with our top star so everyone will focus on that feud for WM28! Great plan! Huh, what's that? WM27? That's still happening?"

    Then again, WM27 drew a million buys, so what do I know

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  17. Pretty sure Michaels didn't need drugs to work. Beefcake's promos would get laughed at and he be would stuck in NXT purgatory.

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  18. Every Beefcake promo: "LOUD NOISES!!!! Something something cut hair something something. Neon."

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  19. Nobody bought that PPV for Miz. They basically wasted Miz and a WWE title match to match to set up a PPV a year ahead of time. They still could have done that and still done something interesting like Miz/Morrison that would have put over both guys.

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  20. Look, I'm not exactly Brutus's #1 fan, but to say that he didn't have a ton of charisma regardless of his coked up promos is silly and you know it. And sticking him in NXT, sadly you're right. However, that says more about today's state of the WWE than about Beefcake. Shit, Punk and Bryan had to suffer through "developmental". Give me a break.


    PS "LOUD NOISES" totally reminds me of Brick in Anchorman, lol.

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  21. Have you SEEN 1988 Brutus Beefcake? If he walked into developmental today he'd be on TV by tomorrow and World champion by next week. Even in the era of good workers he leapfrogged over everyone because they loved his look. Today he would be so jacked and huge compared to everyone else that they'd bank the future of the company on him, like Randy Orton times 1000, as long he didn't get busted for Wellness.

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  22. He had 80's charisma. Some guys could have transcended and still thrive today. I don't think Brutus is one of them. What worked in 89 doesn't automatically mean it would work today.

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  23. Correct a thousand percent. Cult should've picked HTM instead of Beefcake. Honky would have a difficult time today though he drew very well in his chickenshit role. In fact, they sorta had HTM in Santino and you saw where he ended up - a comedy character that's a total jobber.

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  24. Probably not. Today, he'd have to read a script. Still, Brutus would be majorly over today and Miz would barely make the card in the late 80s. I don't see how this is disputable, sorry.

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  25. His shit screams 80's to me and I don't think it translates to what wrestling is today. I look at Brutus back then with the mullet and neon cut out tights like I look at buzz cuts and tribal tights today, a generic product of their time.

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  26. HTM was in my mind when I made my first comment. Thought it was too obvious though.

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  27. Miz as he is now wouldn't make it. But if he came up then, he'd be 1000% different.

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  28. lol, sometimes obvious is right. For the most part though, my original post on Miz stands. He would not be an IC champ or a mid-card player in any other era. The dude has hit the wall. When I see him, I can't help but think "generic" and "manufactured". At least those coked out freaks from the 80s were different and knew how to cut unscripted promos no matter how crazy they were.

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  29. So would Brutus. He surely wouldn't have a mullet and neon mesh tights. But, he would still be a big jacked up dude who can out wrestle Miz and still has charisma.

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  30. I don't get the Brutus is a good worker hype train. I just recently watched a house show in LA from 89 and Rude/Brutus bored me to tears.

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  31. I'm comparing him to Miz...

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  32. Forget the mullet and tights, he'd still be a giant guy with charisma. If he's still juiced in with Hogan, he's World champion in a week. There's no doubt in my mind, like at all.

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  33. 80's charisma. Savage also had that same type of 80's style and he still thrived after that era. The business passed him by while he was away and he never could adapt to it. Makes me doubt if he could've meshed with the wrestling world today.

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  34. Funny- I was never that impressed by his look. Though he was a contemporary of Hogan, Warrior & Bulldog in "my era" as a fan.

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  35. I wasn't really disagreeing with you, but more or less piggybacking on what you were saying there.

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  36. Gotta go with Cult here on the anti-Brutus train of thought. Maybe Miz would be looked down upon back then, but Brutus would be laughed at today as a lug who couldn't cut it (like 1/3 of the guys in developmental these days). He'd basically be Connor O'Brien or the bandana dude from Nexus.


    I thought Miz did an admirable job in in 2011. Moreover, I still think Miz has some unrealized potential, BUT I doubt he'll indeed realize it. The quasi-face turn has been awful thus far and he looked like an idiot in the ring on the mic and wrestling with Ziggler on Main Event last week.

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  37. You have to understand that when he was a heel in 85-86, he was AWFUL. When he was a face, when paired with the right person, his timing was great, and knew when to take a beating and exactly when to make a comeback etc. And he had great charisma.

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  38. disagree. part of The Miz being featured in the WWE in the beginning of his run was he had been on tv before. I can easily see Vince pushing someone as a "tv star turned pro wrestler" in the 80s - you know Vince was just already begging for every glimpse of mainstream acceptance.

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  39. absolutey. the build for WrestleMania 27 was basically Rock vs. Cena.

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  40. Miz has been the best he's ever been since he returned from injury (or shooting a film, can't recall) this year. But as others have mentioned, he's always stuck in the rut losing to guys like Kingston too much to be taken as a major star or big deal.

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  41. I'm still pissed Morrison didn't win the Rumble and go on to face Miz, rather than get stuck in some "celebrity" match with Snookie.

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  42. "He's a robot who reads his lines the way that the writers write them, and that's fine for a midcard guy, but not for someone who was supposed to be a main event guy."



    I think you've got Miz confused for his former tag team partner "John Morrison". Truth be told, not too long ago people were big on him two years ago. The same way people are big on a guy named FUCKING DOLPH ZIGGLER! I'm sorry but ditch then I'll take him seriously as an uppercard guy.


    Even IF the statement about Miz reading his lines like a robot held any weight, that's still better than most of developmental.

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  43. Honestly, Miz needs a killer finish to be taken seriously again. Maybe the piledriver? If he can do it safely, let him kill a few midcarders with it, and he may be able to get up to that level.

    And as far as Sin Cara goes, I would stick Hunico under the mask permanently, and send Mistico back to AAA.

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  44. And the #1 reason that match was as boring as it was is that the Rock wasn't at ringside for the whole thing. Everybody knew it wasn't going to end until the Rock did something.

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  45. All they need to do is play the intro they played for Miz at WM27 and he's an instant star again. Their production of video packages has been a long untapped asset to build stars.

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  46. Except for the same era in which Billy Gunn held the IC title. ;) I think people on this blog REALLY underestimate why Miz's reputation outside of wrestling was an asset for him.

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  47. Personally I love the "really" schtick. I find that more entertaining then Cena or the God awful "what" shit. Hell, I do the "really" thing from time to time.

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  48. Let's just say it, bringing back the Rock has done nothing for anyone in the midcard. The Rock just stole the spotlight from others and doesn't even need to be there. I'd be happy to see Wrestlemania without Rock, HHH, HBK and Taker this year. Focus on your current stars and quit bringing back relics.

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