| Hi Scott, Awesome interview with Bret Hart and his current thoughts on HHH as a wrestler. Let the discussion begin... Interview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSNJX1aBDSw&feature=player_embedded Article about interview here: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/0131/560023/bret-hart-shoots-on-triple-h-calls-him-overrated/ Go Bret! Although HHH certainly has had several great matches. But Bret is also the guy who thinks that Flair is overrated, so maybe he's just a really harsh critic. I can only imagine what he thinks of Randy Orton. |
I believe I've read Bret say in the past he is impressed with Randy Orton. Which, for a guy who isn't impressed with Flair is... kinda weird.
ReplyDeleteAnd HHH is overrated.
ReplyDeleteI dunno Bret. His Iron Man match with Rock was better than yours with Shawn. Amazing considering Bret and Shawn are individually better than HHH and Rock as wrestlers
ReplyDeleteHHH has had great matches with Foley, Rock, Jericho, and Benoit in 2000.
ReplyDeleteBret is spot on.
ReplyDeleteTriple H can have great matches when paired with the right opponent. However, you put him in there with someone who needs to be carried, or God forbid a Khali, Steiner, or Nash, and you're in for something awful. Contrast that to someone like Cena who was able to have TWO entertaining matches with Khali.
Well that's just asinine. Triple H sure wrestled his fair share of clunkers, but Foley, Rock, Austin, Shawn, and Undertaker weren't wrestling themselves.
ReplyDeleteBret looks more and more like Ozzy every year.
ReplyDeleteLast I heard Bret liked Orton. I remember him saying he thought Punk/Orton at WM was great and he liked both guys.
ReplyDeleteBut I have to disagree with Bret here.though in his defense he probably wasn't watching WWE when Triple H had the bulk of his great matches. But saying he's never had at least one great match is a little out there.
Look at the quality of opponent there. Benoit could probably carry me to a passable **1/2 Raw match in 2000.
ReplyDeleteHe can't carry an average work like Booker or Orton to anything fantastic and definitely can't do anything with stiffs like Nash or Steiner.
Maybe I'm just nuts but I actually thought Triple H/Khali at Summerslam 08 was better than the Cena matches.
ReplyDeleteGreat Khali is SUCH an outlier that it's really not valid to use him as the measuring stick of working ability.
ReplyDeleteThere was this match he had with the Great Khali which hit *** which is nothing short of a miracle and the greatest accomplishment of post 2001 triple H
ReplyDeleteThat was a MIRACLE match
ReplyDeleteThat match with Khali was bafflingly watchable. It's the Aurora Borealis of wrestling.
ReplyDeleteI think the key there was in how they booked it. Give Bret and Shawn the order to do a shoot-out like Rock and Hunter did and the discussion changes somewhat.
ReplyDeleteBut Flair IS overrated. If his career had ended in 1994 that would be one thing. He has been the broomstick almost as long as he was great.
ReplyDeleteHere let me fix this for you: 'Bret is spot on. Triple H can have VERY GOOD
ReplyDeletematches when paired with the right opponent. However, you put him in there with someone who needs to be carried, or God forbid a Khali, PAST HIS PRIME and INJURED Scott Steiner (not the 80’s to late 90’s Scott Steiner), or Nash, and you’re in for something awful. Contrast that to someone like Cena who was able to have ONE entertaining match with Khali.” There, now THAT is accurate.
Bret is probably upset that HHH outdid his Ironman match. The HHH/Rock Ironman match is a billion times more entertaining than Hart/HBK at WM.
ReplyDeleteBret had plenty of crappy matches when paired with an inferior opponents. Not sure why he is spewing this kind of crap now.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's the beer talking Mar, but Khali's got a head butt that won't quit.
ReplyDeleteRude-Steamboat is better than both of them. . .
ReplyDeleteWhen you get right down to it, Ric Flair has only been good for about half of his career.
ReplyDeleteI too feel that Flair is overrated, and think that the HHH/Taker match was nothing special. Fuck, I agree with Bret on TWO things. Of all the things I've lost...
ReplyDeleteReally now, this just comes off as Bret still not letting Montreal go. He can't take it out on Shawn anymore (and I'm not even going to go down that road), so he has to blame HHH now. Paul (Bret sounds like such a mark calling him that, even Shawn and Big Kev call him Hunter) didn't have any great matches? Guess he 2 missed the ***** GOAT matches he had with Mick, or the incredible ironman match he had with Duane (hey, if we're calling guys by their real names here, I'll go with it), or the match he had with Michael in his big comeback, or the match he had with Michael and Chris at WMXX. By my count Bret has only had 2 great matches: the one with Owen and the one with Austin. I hated Bret back then, shit like this is why I still can't stand him now.
You forgot his 2/3 falls with Austin. One of the best matches of the decade.
ReplyDeleteBret or Paul?
ReplyDeletePaul's 3 stages of hell against Steve Williams at No Way Out 2001.
ReplyDeleteFunny how Bret and Shawn have reversed roles in their later lives. Whereas Shawn went from dickhead to decent guy, Bret exposes himself as more and more douchey all the time. This guy doesn't think anyone is good, outside of himself.
ReplyDeleteIve never been a Bret Hart guy but I'll admit he has probably had more than two great matches. With that said, he looks like a fool here because I doubt none of his peers would agree with him.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that HHH is a bit overrated by WWE, sorry he is not an all time great, but Ive probably been more entertained by HHH than I have Bret and Ive been watching since 84.
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Taker vs. HHH WM matches are two of the most overrated matches in WWE history.
ReplyDeleteI can see more and more why Terry wouldnt do business with Bret all those years ago.
ReplyDeleteHe may not necessarily be right, but it's always fun watching Triple H get cut down a bit by someone with at least SOME credibility in the business still. I don't know that I can necessarily point to a match and say that Triple H carried it, but he has had a string of great matches with the right opponents.
ReplyDeleteSo you're calling Bret a mark because he uses a name that HHH's best friends use? That is some weird logic.
ReplyDeleteAnd I can count on one hand the great matches HHH has had, I would need several to count all the ones Bret has had.
They arent anywhere close to the HBK/Taker matches but they arent a 3 or 4 out of 10, that's just being foolish on Bret's part.
ReplyDeleteBeth Phoenix carried Great Khali to a five star match in 2010.
ReplyDeleteYou can only count 5 great Triple H matches? I'm sure you were just making a point, but I can count 5 great Triple H matches before 2000.
ReplyDeleteVery overrated.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame though, Bret vs. The Executioner would have been awesome.
ReplyDelete1980 USA Hockey team Miracle.
ReplyDeleteBest worker is the guy who makes the most money.
ReplyDeleteHHH flies around in his own private jet.
I think it's rather difficult to consider him overrated.
Yeah, that was damn good too.
ReplyDeleteI thought Buddy Rose was the Executioner?
ReplyDeleteHe looks more like a aging punk rock version of STU
ReplyDeleteHHH flies around in the private jet owned by the family he married in to.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see you list them. Off the top of my head, HHH/Cactus, HHH/Rock Iron Man, HHH/Austin 3 Stages of Hell, HHH/HBK/Benoit WM20. And HBK's comeback match at Summerslam. That's it.
ReplyDeletethis is the same guy who married the bosses daughter correct?
ReplyDeleteThis is the guy who is the heir apparent to the company once Vinces dies... correct?
Ok carry on midcard.
Better than it had any right to be... On that point. Khali has never been mobile or "good" but he looked sad in the rumble. Guy literally can't move
ReplyDeleteHell in a way Triple H is making the most money. He's gonna be signing the paychecks soon
ReplyDeleteDifferent strokes for different folks. I'm not that hard for Jericho, ever, but doesn't mean others can't enjoy him. Just one of many examples.
ReplyDeleteThe Triple threat rematch at Backlash was quite good too IIRC.
ReplyDeleteBret was throwing some hyperbole in there but he is generally right. And I have a feeling he has never seen 2000 HHH. If I remember, Bret had a pretty good reason not to give a shit about what was going on in wrestling at the time.
ReplyDeleteOn one of the related videos, in the same interview Bret says Bryan reminds him of Owen. Never thought of that comparison before but it's kinda perfect.
So you only care about what happens from bell to bell too?
ReplyDeleteYou and Adam should get a room.
Been awhile since I've seen it but it was basically the same match with HBK taking the fall instead of HHH.
ReplyDelete10 minutes of HBK crying in a corner?
ReplyDeleteNo thanks.
Bret = Charlie Reneke?
ReplyDeleteI can see more and more why Terry wouldnt do business with Bret all those years ago.
ReplyDelete...
Really, dude?
Still good though. Probably the best two triple threat matches I have ever seen. HHH is overrated for sure but Bret is out of his mind if he thinks HHH never had a great match. Maybe Bret is angling for a match at WM with HHH.
ReplyDeleteAs far as I've seen everyone calls HHH Hunter, at least in public. I mean, I'm sure Shawn and Big Kev call him Paul in private, but... KAYFABE, Bret!
ReplyDeleteName me the great matches Bret has had besides the ones I mentioned. The Flair or Piper matches? Good, not great. The WMXII match with Shawn? Boring as all hell, and the most overrated match ever. The Owen tribute match from Nitro? Again, really good but not great.
For as rough as Bret has looked the last few years, I thought he actually cleaned up pretty well at the Rumble with his hair pulled back. He should consider doing that from now on.
ReplyDeleteSmark logic: It's only OK for fans on the internet to hate on HHH, but if an actual wrestler shits on him, it's not cool.
ReplyDeleteYup, really brother!
ReplyDeleteFor he people who downvoted this, Charlie went on a tirade against one of the HHH/Taker WM matches, hence my comment.
ReplyDeleteI see you have been taught how to Dougie.
ReplyDeleteBret's carry job of Tom Magee was better. . .
ReplyDeleteI think comparing Bret with Charlie in anything will get ya down votes.
ReplyDeleteI too am glad I'm not the only one.
ReplyDeleteBret's run as a top guy (92-97).... Is so short. That doesn't get mentioned alot. Bret was great for his time but lets keep in mind there weren't exactly great matches to be had during that time frame. They were few and far between. HHH came in during an era of awesomeness (credit Edge)... HHH was put in there with Jericho, Benoit, Michaels, Austin, Rock and Foley (to name a few). All great opponents. HHH has a better body of work but that is largely in part due to the eras they worked.
ReplyDeleteWith all that said.... Bret was great. Phenomenal tag wrestler and broke the mold in WWE. He was one of the more notorious breakers of the glass ceiling. He was a workhorse and became a star when he may have had no right to.
We'll probably disagree on some of these(goddamn those stupid opinions) but here's a list of Triple H matches I'd rate **** or higher:
ReplyDeletevs. The Rock Summerslam 1998, vs. Cactus Jack Canadian Stampede, vs. Dude Love One Night Only, vs. Cactus Jack Royal Rumble 2000, vs. Cactus Jack NWO 2000, vs. The Rock Backlash 2000, vs. The Rock Judgment Day 2000, vs. Chris Jericho Fully Loaded 2000, vs. Chris Benoit No Mercy 2000, vs. Stone Cold Survivor Series 2000, Six Man Hell in a Cell Armageddon 2000, vs. Stone Cold No Way Out 2001, vs. Undertaker WM X7, tag match vs. Benoit/Jericho, vs. Shawn Summerslam 2002, vs. Shawn Raw December 2003, WM Triple Threat, Backlash rematch, vs. Batista Vengeance 2005, vs. Ric Flair Taboo Tuesday and Survivor Series 2005, vs. Randy Orton No Mercy 2007, vs. Jeff Hardy No Mercy 2008, vs. Jeff Hardy Cyber Sunday 2008, vs. Undertaker WM 27 and 28.
Those are just off the top of my head.
to me, it's always been dependent on HHH's opponent as to how good his matches were. I never got jazzed for a HHH match, but I would get excited about certain matches, given his opponent. I don't feel he's carried anyone mediocre to a good-great match like other so-called greats of the art.
ReplyDeletegreasy hair?
ReplyDeletePerfect, KOTR 93(not individual great matches but what he did throughout the entire night is legendary) Steiners vs the Harts, WMX, the cage match with Owen, Nash at Survivor Series, Davey Boy at SS 92, Piper at WM8. Owen tribute show with Benoit, Austin at SS96 and at WM13.
ReplyDeleteI just listed 10 5 star matches without even really thinking about it.
Bret's era(Next Generation) bored the hell out of me.
ReplyDeleteI give HHH credit for breaking through because he was unwatchable as blue blood Hunter Hearst Helmsley. Smarks hate him now but his 2000 was quite good and he did his share of putting guys over at WM.
Don't you dare use Bollea as a "professional" example of anything
ReplyDeleteIf were talking good 4 star matches, the list is endless for both. But I'm talking about legendary 5 star matches that everyone remembers. I think Bret was talking about that too. He never said he was a bad wrestler in the interview.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this in the context of the business side of things, but you can't use HHH as an example considering why he's flying around in a private jet.
ReplyDeleteThe best example is to say Hulk Hogan is the best worker.
That's a matter of taste, not fact.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to go along with the crowd just because it's the cool thing to do.
ReplyDeleteThe only trouble Triple H ever got into was not of his doing, yet he paid the steepest price. He became a main eventer through sheer will power alone. He became a McMahon through sheer will power alone. And he avoided all of the obstacles that derailed every single other member of the clique. And he has an impressive array of 4+ star matches to boot.
Triple H was one hell of a overall worker. One of, if not the best, of all time.
Bret said great, when I think of great I think **** or higher. That's just always how I've thought of it.
ReplyDelete"One of, if not the best, of all time"
ReplyDeleteCmon, he isnt even the best of his own era, he isnt close to being the best of all time.
he literally can move. just not very well ;)
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen this HHH/Khali match. Is it worth 15 minutes for me to check out?
I've tried and tried but I have never liked the Bret-Owen cage match. That match has never worked for me. Just never clicked.
ReplyDeleteBret vs. Perfect at KOTR kick all sorts of ass.
You're crazy. I can list at least 10 matches from '94 on that Flair was still awesome. He got a touch formulaic, but he was still pretty good for a man his age. I'm not just saying that because I love Flair (my screen name, duh), I try to be objective about this stuff.
ReplyDeleteThen name one guy who's worked more out of the business than Triple H.
ReplyDeleteopinions, opinions...
ReplyDeletei love both matches! I thought the ending to the cage match, in particular, was one of the most creative, ever. you couldn't pull that off today with those mesh fencing cages. i kinda hate them, sans the Cell.
ReplyDeleteEvery single guy that got out and had the money to stay out.
ReplyDeleteEvery single guy who got out and had the money to stay out.
ReplyDeleteWorked more out of the business? Meaning what exactly?
ReplyDeleteHogan and Austin were bigger draws, HBK and Flair were better workers.
we've got a doozy of a debate going on here.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that people use their hate for Triple H now, to try and retroactively pretend he was never great. Could be wrong but that's just how it feels to me.
ReplyDeleteI'd say the Rock probably surpassed any wrestler in history when it comes to mainstream success.
ReplyDeleteWe all know he came back because he wanted to, not because he had to. Id argue that it probably has cost Rock money to come back.
How much negativity nowadays do you hear come from Bret Hart? How much do you hear from Shawn Michaels. I love Bret but I understand where this guy is coming from.
ReplyDeleteI think he had great matches, but I don't think he had that "broomstick" quality about him.
ReplyDeletesomeone asked him?
ReplyDeleteWhat negativity? Dude asked him about HHH and he said he was a very good, not great wrestler. INTERNETZ EXPLODE!
ReplyDeleteYeah if just for the sheer amazingness of it. Just consider this. It could be the 3rd best match on the card. And it was a good show.
ReplyDeletei'll give it a whirl!
ReplyDelete2000-2001 is probably a more fair date. Yes he had good(or better) matches after that, but that's more fair cut off point. . .
ReplyDeleteHe was still pretty consistent but from 1994 on he probably wouldn't have finished in my top 10 wrestlers in the world.
ReplyDeleteHe said he never had a great match, Bret is entitled to that opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
ReplyDeleteGuy literally can't move..
ReplyDeleteMichael Cole posts here?
I'm sure Bret hasn't seen every HHH match. Dude had a stroke and his brother was killed. I highly doubt he was watching Raw every week.
ReplyDeletemust've been cracked right on the skull.
ReplyDeleteThe HBK/Hart match has its benefits, its great to put on if you are having trouble falling asleep.
ReplyDeleteIn the world, probably not, but in North America, I'd say yes. The dude was already old by then, but he still had awesome matches, just not as often. In fact, he had a brutal cage match with HHH (just because this thread is about him) in '03 I think. The guy could still go, but age does take effect.
ReplyDeleteat least 10 in 19 years aint that great bro.
ReplyDeleteIm a Flair fan as well, but he got bad... and embarassing
Different strokes, different folks...
ReplyDeleteJesus, this thread is like a battle royal. Different arguments everywhere at the same time.
ReplyDeleteBret has what I think of as the perfect career arc. Long time successful tag team wrestler who goes out on his own and becomes one of the best IC champs of all time, and then rises to the WWF title level and becomes a top guy. It's the ideal rise to the top. Shawn had a truncated version of the same thing.
ReplyDeletewhat's crazy to me, is that Flair didn't even start to look old (in my eyes) until 03/04. He looked virtually the same from 1989 until 2002. I think a lot of that has to do with his hair, however. it started to thin out BAAD after '02
ReplyDeleteIm sure you are correct, which is why Bret shouldnt make statements like that.
ReplyDeleteI have no interest in the Lord of The Rings, but I dont call em bad movies because I never watched em, so I have no idea if they are.
Battle Royal? That explains Khali being involved I guess.
ReplyDeleteEmbarrassing when he hit TNA. He was a very part time guy after '96 (post-nwo). For a part-timer, I think he did well. It's not like he got to wrestle top guys though either. Sure, there were some Savage matches, but for the most part, he got booked like shit and that counts. I'm not saying he was the same guy, that would be idiotic, but to say he was the broomstick is dumb.
ReplyDeleteit's like...YES isn't a bad band. they're technically sound and what not, but they're not my cup of tea.
ReplyDeleteYou know what else Bret isn't doing? Running around asking people to ask him his thoughts on HHH.
ReplyDeleteWell when he was at his peak in 2000 their roster was so deep that we couldn't really find out if he did have that quality. Who on that roster in 2000 could he have realistically feuded with that he would need to carry. I look at his title match against Rikishi on Raw in 2000 as the sign that he could have. Rikishi was no slouch but Triple H made him look like threat when he'd merely been dancing with Too Cool to that point.
ReplyDeleteAnd the ego of Triple H to have a frigging video package the next night on Raw having all the superstars talk about how it was the greatest thing they ever saw.
ReplyDeleteBut will he win?
ReplyDeleteWell put trips and Bret in the same thread . . If the internet dies tonight we'll all know why. . .
ReplyDeleteNah, he will think he won and Hornswoggle will come out from under the ring and push him out and Michael Cole will laugh hysterically as it is happening.
ReplyDeletec'mon. any REAL rasslin' fan knows that 'Kish could bring the goods when he was Makin'-a-Difference Fatu or The Sultan. get with the program.
ReplyDeleteRead between the lines Cult, you could see it in Bret's eyes. He mind fucked that guy into asking him about Triple H.
ReplyDeleteAnd now Hogan is still on wrestling programs into his 60's. It ain't what you earn it's what you save. When Triple H is 60 he's gonna be near the top of the top wrestling company in the world. Hulk Hogan is currently on Impact weekly. People thought Hogan was a great politician.Psh. If we measured backstage politics in terms of workrate Triple H would be the GOAT.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but he was stuck with Yoko two straight WM's. Give him Savage and Luger, and they would have been much better. He was also stuck with crap like lafitte and Issac Yankem. . .
ReplyDeleteWhat does that have to do with anything? He was asked a question and he answered even though he hasnt seen the guys entire body of work.
ReplyDeleteBret comes of as a bit upset with what Paul has accomplished, as nobody couldve predicted he wouldve had a career like he has.
I already mentioned WMX and Austin at WM13. I can't call the cage match with Owen as ***** (too long and slow paced), or the match at SS92 with Bulldog ***** (Bulldog was gassed 2 minutes in, I don't care about the crowd, that was not *****) or the Nash/Bret title change match ***** (they had a better match at KOTR 94). I already brought up that Piper/Bret and Benoit/Bret were not *****.
ReplyDeleteHarts/Steiners was ***** though (top 2 of the greatest tag matches ever), and I grant your point on KOTR 93. Are we talking about just pure talent, or even average * rating? Bret wins. Or are we talking about who has put on the most ***** matches? HHH wins that contest hands down.
One other thing to consider: Bret has to go out of his way to talk shit about HHH. I'm sure Bret never even enters HHH's mind unless someone else brings him up in conversation.
2005 was his feud with Triple H and I agree those matches kicked ass. I would have loved to see an in his prime Ric Flair vs. an in his prime Triple H. You could tell just by how much Triple H watched Flair work that Triple H could have wrestled Flair with his eyes closed.
ReplyDeleteI know I'm late to the party and someone probably already mentioned this, but is Bret REALLY a harsh critic?
ReplyDeleteMelina, the Bella Twins--all recipients of Bret Hart's praise for their wrestling ability in interviews and on twitter. Of course, Bret's a hound and was probably looking to get chummy, but still. Forgive me if this irony has already been brought up.
Yeah! Whole show is pretty good. Batista vs. John Cena I and an underrated Edge vs. Taker HIAC.
ReplyDeleteI could have sworn Triple H loved shouting from the rooftops that he was the mastermind behind the Screwjob.
ReplyDeleteif only Bret had stayed with that 20 year contract...
ReplyDeleteHogan also jobbed in his divorce preceedings. Without that divorce, Im sure the Hulkster would be looking good when it comes to money.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of money, if TNA came to you and paid you to do what Hogan is doing, you would say no?
Khali is a BoD draw
ReplyDeleteoh, i've seen the HIAC, but I'd have to skip the hokey ending if I watched it again. Love later Batista. sounds solid.
ReplyDeleteHaha. I hate Michael Cole so I am embarrassed. Salt me like Gail the Snail FUJ
ReplyDeletePaul didn't wrestle Dr. Death at Now Way Out.
ReplyDelete...and this is what we are doing with our lives.
ReplyDeleteBret is the definition of "bitter".
ReplyDeleteYeah, on Shawn's DVD.
ReplyDeleteMarrying the bosses daughter = Check Mate.
ReplyDeleteNow Way Out is my favorite Pay-Per-View.
ReplyDeleteTouché....
ReplyDeleteI have a hard time recommending a HHH vs Khali match but if you haven't seen it, it could be worth a look. Just because it had no right to even be decent.
That's the fucking Pedigree of mastermind moves.
ReplyDeletenah, I'd leave that to Jim Cornette
ReplyDeleteHogan is trying to top that by marrying his own daughter.
ReplyDeletethose kinds of matches intrigue me
ReplyDelete"Nash/Bret title change match ***** (they had a better match at KOTR 94)"
ReplyDeleteWell, now I know to disregard your opinion.
"One other thing to consider: Bret has to go out of his way to talk shit about HHH. I'm sure Bret never even enters HHH's mind unless someone else brings him up in conversation."
I missed the part of the interview where Bret demands that he be asked about HHH.
Nowadays you hear Bret bad mouth people more often than you hear Shawn. He has a right to an opinion no doubt.
ReplyDeleteYes! Downvote facts! Bring it on, Fuj!
ReplyDeleteHey, I've brought up the Bryan-Owen comparison before, and Bret actually acknowledged a tweet of mine to that fact (yes, I want a ribbon for this). The retired wrestlers are pretty cool about replying to tweets (JBL, Shawn, and Piper in particular).
ReplyDeleteVintage Khali literally cannot achieve separation.
ReplyDeleteStroke, Brother in law and brother dying, screwjob. Go through that and let me see the big smile on your face.
ReplyDeleteHe was bitter before that. Go read his book, dude is his own biggest fan.
ReplyDeletei've gotten responses from HBK & Austin. i felt pretty good about myself, haha
ReplyDeletePlease, compared to Punk, Rock, Lesnar, and Daniel Bryan, he's a jobber around these parts.
ReplyDeletehe's building momentum to the transition of the match
ReplyDeleteI don't think you know what the word bitter means. It definitely doesn't mean you're your own biggest fan.
ReplyDeleteIn Bret's defense with Triple H pretty much admitting his role in the Screwjob I wouldn't be too fond of him either.
ReplyDeletebut he tries to like him now, hehe
ReplyDeleteYou don't bad mouth Jim Cornette! Do you hear me!? Jim Cornette is a saint!
ReplyDeleteHe as bitter about everything. Bitter with Hogan, bitter with Vince, bitter with his family. Half that book is about being bitter with people, only good feelings is when he is talking about his conquests on the road or his matches.
ReplyDeleteHey Bret, maybe it isnt everybody else, maybe it's you.
hey, i love the guy! great mind, fun to listen to, but he's freakin' angry!
ReplyDeletethey are totally past their prime. Khali as a BoD draw is not hitting a glass ceiling.
ReplyDeleteAgain, let me see the big smile on your face after going through what he did.
ReplyDeleteBret can and should hate HHH and anybody else involved with the screwjob but to say the guy never had a great match is sour grapes in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteThis would be a lot easier if they had unique stage names that were specific only to them...
ReplyDeleteHe was bitter before all the Owen and stroke stuff.
ReplyDeleteThat's the best part! Have you heard happy Corny? NO because happy Corny is awful. Rage filled Corny is brilliant.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize his book wasn't written in like 1994 right? After all the death and bullshit he went though, did you think it was going to a ringing endorsement of the wrestling business?
ReplyDeleteI think what this whole thing boils down to is that Bret was asked about Triple H a guy who he probably hasn't seen 90% of his work and made his answer based off the little of his work he has seen informed by his personal opinion of him. Bret probably wasn't equipped to best answer this question but at least he answered it and didn't avoid it.
ReplyDeleteI tweeted Angle asking him when he was gonna come back to WWE(mostly as a joke because I saw so many damn people asking it) and he said 3 years! That was a year ago.
ReplyDeleteI also got a response from MVP twice too. I'm a bit of a badass...
I do know that the dude came off as bitter in his wrestling with shadows thing even though he was making more money than he ever dreamed of.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I know the book was written after everything but I also know that he used taped diaries he made throughout his career.
The Sultan I'll admit was reminiscent of Flair in 89
ReplyDeleteGood thing he didnt avoid it, or this discussion and all my down votes never take place,lol
ReplyDeleteInteresting that Bret has (apparently) never seen the Triple Threat(s) with Benoit and Michaels. Or the stuff with Austin or Rock.
ReplyDeletehaha yeah. Well this has been a pretty interesting discussion nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteDont ruin the narrative...
ReplyDeleteIf he's still bitter over the "screwjob", then I really do feel for the guy.
ReplyDeleteIf he was still bitter he wouldn't be in the WWE right now.
ReplyDeleteWithout the screwjob, is Bret even relevent in 2013?
ReplyDeleteNot a knock, a fair question.
Agreeing with you here. Embarrassing is a strong word. For some weird reason, he had chemistry with Big Show (in 96 and in 06). His program with Syxx kicked ass. His 95-96 program with Savage also kicked some butt. I enjoyed his match with Taker at WM18, his Summerslam match with Jericho, his cage match with HHH, both of his PPV matches with Shawn... and that's just stuff off the top of my head because I know I'm forgetting some. Pretty friggin' good for a part-timer.
ReplyDeleteAnd the Ultimate Opportunist steals another victory thanks to the Numbers game! Vintage Edge!
ReplyDeleteYou know my least favorite Cole-ism that he eventually phased out? He's cooking now!
Now Way Out, not to be confused to with No Way Out.
ReplyDeleteD'OH!
I couldn't resist.
ReplyDeleteIt's a good question. Honestly, the only reason he was leaving was because Vince claimed he couldn't afford Bret.
ReplyDeleteI lopped that one over the plate.
ReplyDeleteOkay... great til 94-95, good until 2003, shit afterwards. Thing is , at a certain point his moveset became limited to chops and nutshots and couldn't bump well anymore.
ReplyDeleteAs for the original topic Bret may be my favorite of all time, but he's full of shit on this
That alone isn't enough. You have to marry the RIGHT bosses daughter. Otherwise, you're Larry Zbyszko.
ReplyDeleteOne hell of a show no doubt. It's also the show(imo) where you can point at and say "And this is where Kurt Angle went from great to goddamn freakin awesome"
ReplyDeleteAs well you should. Austin was on a roll for a while. Those pictures or "portraits" he'd draw and post were hilarious.
ReplyDeleteHe isn't relevant now with it. Very few retired guys are.
ReplyDeleteWell, let me correct it, marrying the WWE's owner's daughter = Check Mate.
ReplyDeleteVince had one daughter. It wasn't like it was a hard decision.
ReplyDelete-"Nash/Bret title change match ***** (they had a better match at KOTR 94)"
ReplyDeleteWell, now I know to disregard your opinion.
Should have said "I liked the KOTR 94 better", not that the match was better, obviously the SS95 and RR95 matches were better matches. That's my mistake.
"One other thing to consider: Bret has to go out of his way to talk
shit about HHH. I'm sure Bret never even enters HHH's mind unless
someone else brings him up in conversation."
I missed the part of the interview where Bret demands that he be asked about HHH.
Yeah, they paid him to not talk about Shawn, or Owen, or Benoit.... Of course he didn't demand it, but what the fuck else would you ask Bret Hart about?
I could list 50 things right now that would enter my head before asking about HHH.
ReplyDeleteQuite interesting. Though like I said Bret probably wasn't too willing to watch WWF when Triple H was consistently awesome(2000-2001)
ReplyDeleteBret may have had a stroke, but he still knows when he can get it.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I'm sure Morrison was more than happy to let Bret have a shot at Melina.
You think Bret is bitter now, I can only imagine how he will be after contracting a bunch of STD's from Melina.
ReplyDeleteLet's be honest, if anyone is giving out STDs, it's Bret.
ReplyDeleteHe makes Wilt Chamberlain look celibate.
He paid the steepest price because in 1996 he was nothing more than a jobber who was friends with the World Champ.
ReplyDeleteHe became a main eventer because McMahon was adamant about making him one. Let's not forget he was originally supposed to win the King of the Ring in 1996, Rock became more over than he did after the ladder match in 1998, and no one took him seriously until Mick Foley started bumping like a mad man for him.
point.
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