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Guilty Pleasures


Hey Scott,
 
What are some of your guilty pleasures in wrestling? This could be a particular wrestler, match, angle, etc.
 
Personally, mine is the Survivor Series match with several wrestlers playing the part of Doink (Men on a Mission and such). A friend of mine coined the term "Bizarrecore" because it was just so ridiculous. Similarly, I enjoy the Oddities vs. Kaientai match for the same reason. Are they good? Oh, LORD no. I agree with the star rating you've given each. But I can't help be entertained by them.
 
It's probably the same reason why I enjoy Chikara so much, though at least there, the quality of wrestling is much higher.

Oh man, there's nothing I love better than constantly breaking into the house of someone who has a restraining order out on me and then getting arrested for it multiple times.  

Sorry, that's Tammy Sytch, my mistake.

Anyway, although the matches you listed above are utter bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself for even admitting to watching them, I've always been a proponent of the sub-genre I dubbed "entertaining crap".  This would fall under the category of WCW's garbagy ECW-style brawls like the DDP/Kanyon/Benoit stuff, or the Vince Russo-booked hardcore 24/7 rule Crash Holly series.  I'm also an unabashed mark for silly Memphis comedy angles and the ridiculous stuff that they'd have the Cornette/Dangerously/Bruno types parade out to challenge Jerry Lawler with.  

By the way, on a related note, apparently Are Your Serious has been cancelled, inasmuch as a YouTube show can be cancelled.  ARE YOU SERIOUS?  Guess that million dollar Youtube partnership isn't quite working out to be the cash cow that either side hoped for.  Frowny face.

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  1. The themes of Wade Barrett, Rob Conway, and Orton's Burn In My Light (HEY! \_O___/)

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  2. Attitude Era Raw TV matches. 1997-1999.

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  3. This was me that sent this question in and while I am completely ashamed to admit being entertained by those crap matches, that's the whole reason I call them "guilty pleasures." It's the same thing as movies like Killer Klowns From Outer Space or Kung Pow. Neither are going to win any awards, but they're fun for being so ridiculous.

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  4. Here goes...


    I like Paul Roma in the WWF. Threw a kick-ass dropkick, good puncher, sweet powerslam, and actually was a hell of an athlete...see his Survivor Series 87 (or was it 88...?)match and watch him leap to the top turnbuckle from the mat and do a top rope move without coming close to losing his balance. I don't know why he gets so much shit...and then I see his WCW work and I'm reminded of why.

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  5. Are You Serious ends == WWE Network is FINALLY ready to launch?


    I would hope so for their sake, giving what they must be paying Rock to bring attention to themselves.

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  6. Some guilty pleasures: I LOVE both Triple H/Steiner matches. There.

    The 24/7 Hardcore thing was fun.

    Obviously enjoying Benoit matches makes me feel a little guilty so I have to put that.



    When people dress up as other wrestlers and imitate them. This includes DX doing the Nation, DX doing the McMahons and Kurt Angle acting like Shawn. And Charlie Haas' run in 2008 where every week he'd be someone else.

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  7. Mark Henry. BEFORE he became a Bodsmark darling.

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  8. The WWE free content on YouTube has been ended because WWE has (probably) entered into a paid channel agreement with Google for original content. In all likelihood all of the "popular" WWE YouTube shows will be repurposed for the paid channels. This is a simply revenue split calculation.

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  9. Scott Steiner in WWE!

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  10. No one should feel guilty for loving Charles Robinson.

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  11. Papa Shango.


    The 24/7 Hardcore title was from Chris Kreski, well into the post-Russo era.

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  12. Kung Pow is brilliant. Be proud about that one.

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  13. Guess that million dollar Youtube partnership isn't quite working out to be the cash cow that either side hoped for.

    There's talk of putting the WWE Network on YT:

    http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/271670/The-WWE-Network-May-Finally-Be-Coming.htm

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  14. Guilty pleasure? CZW. In fact, deathmatch wrestling in general.

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  15. Santino


    Crockett-era Jimmy Valiant and any Jimmy Garvin (they both get a lot of crap for some reason)


    Kerwin White


    I wouldn't call it a guilty pleasure, but there was a PPV tag match b/w Finlay/Hornswaggle and Boogie Man/Lil' Boogie that I happened to catch a few times for whatever reason, and each time I remember thinking, "You know, this is actually a fun little match."


    I also thought the Santino/Ricardo tux match last year was fun b/c of Santino's work.

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  16. Big Show in that time was funny too. The Big Showbowski, Big Show as Hogan. Showkishi is a memory I wish I could forget.

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  17. That's mine too. I think that deathmatch shit is an insult to wrestling, but yet I somehow enjoy it in small doses. That and horribly low budget indy garbage. Got a YouTube vid that has such bad production values that a backwoods public access channel would be like "Dude, we can't air this fucking shit"? I'm there.

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  18. I enjoyed him all the way through too. Power and Glory especially.

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  19. I love 1995 WWF, but that's what got me started on wrestling, so it's mostly nostalgia. Still, I'll happily take it over 2013 WWE.

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  20. I'm interested to see what this paid content is. If it's Netflix style streaming of old shows, full episodes of Raw, Smackdown, Nitro, etc, count me in. But who in their right mind would pay for any other "exclusive" content?

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  21. Calling the WCW Hotline

    1-900-909-9900! Only $1.99 a minute! Massive groundings when your parents get their next phone bill!

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  22. Buff Bagwell. Never more than a serviceable worker even in his Marcus Alexander days, but he had that annoying pretty boy southern heel routine down. I loved his mugging for the camera during matches, especially when another wrestler would come up behind him and interrupt it. The mutual admiration posing angle with a soon to be turned Scott Steiner was pretty damn funny too.

    It would have been interesting to see him as part of DX in 1997/1998.

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  23. I did that with the Hulk Hogan hotline back in 1991 after Heenan seemed to have so much fun with it back in 1991. Not sure how I ever talked my parents into that, but I remember hanging up fast after it seemed like Gene was purposely talking slow.

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  24. Anything where Steve Blackman talked

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  25. I'm writing about the "Best Of Deathmatch Wrestling:American Ultraviolence", and it's the most hilarious thing ever. If these guys wanna set themselves on fire for my amusement, AWESOME.

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  26. I think WWF 1995 was the year I really started getting into it.

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  27. Never thought about the talking slow gimmick. Man, they really were con men weren't they?

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  28. Paul Roma was Bret Hart without the heat.

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  29. One other one -- Halloween Havoc 1995. It's probably the last show I watched as a full mark or mostly unaware fan, but it has a certain something for everyone feeling and a great crowd. Benoit and Malenko vs Regal and Eaton on the pre show, another solid JBB vs DDP match, retro stuff like Flair turning on Sting to reform the Horsemen and the whole Hogan/Andre redux thing which is probably the last time face Hogan really worked for a WCW crowd, turns galore, wild stuff like Sabu and The Sheik and Hogan testing the heel waters, plus Wrestlecrap like the monster truck showdown, Giant getting pitched off the roof of Cobo Hall and of course, the YE-TAY.

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  30. "But who in their right mind would pay for any other "exclusive" content?"

    Idiots are a pretty generous market.

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  31. Marty Jannetty, Disciples of Apocalypse, Dan Severn, 2007-2009 ECW, Divas matches over 4 minutes, and the belief that Tyson Kidd, Primo, and Justin Gabriel could probably be main eventers if they were given an actual gimmick.



    There. I'd appreciate a pat on the back and an "It's okay," at some point.

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  32. "the belief that Tyson Kidd, Primo, and Justin Gabriel could probably be main eventers if they were given an actual gimmick."



    Someone get this man to rehab.

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  33. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the first time I realized they were just trying to pick my pocket lol. Either that or when the response I got for my get well Hulk letter was a postcard with a hard sell for SummerSlam 1990 weaved into it. However since it came in mid September it didn't seem quite as obnoxious

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  34. Yeah I have a soft spot for parts of it too. It's when I started ordering the PPVs almost every month too, starting with SummerSlam 1995.

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  35. Surely, you must be digging Tensai's turn since the Slammys then.

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  36. It's funny, for either WWF or WCW I'd almost rather watch the TV shows for that period more than the PPVs, with the exception of a match or two on each PPV, which is the total opposite of how I felt about shows prior to that. Monday nights just had that energy and excitement.

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  37. I wouldn't go THAT far but he was underrated

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  38. Before I was always having to play catch up and wait for the tape to come out so I could rent it.

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  39. I'm the exact same way.

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  40. I can see why a lot of those Attitude Era matches can be worth enjoying or re-watching. Attitude Era matches were either too short or sh*tty, but they still managed to have purpose or memorable moments. There was always a new wrinkle added to the character or angle (primary or peripheral) that made it interesting. Now, it's almost exactly the opposite: the Euro trio (Sheamus, Barrett, Cesaro) will be put into 10-15 minute 3+ star matches every week, but nothing really changes.


    I really rather not relive 1995, though, with the exception of Bret and Shawn matches.

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  41. Another one... GLOW. Especially for the skits. Tickle tickle tickle tickle...tickle tickle too. I have no idea what that meant but I still remember Fiji singing that

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  42. Katie Vick. Fucking hysterical.

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  43. Commentary played a big role is those matches being watchable. If you ever go back and watch, it is a work of art to see Jim Ross get the most convoluted storylines over in 4 minutes. And even weaving shit in about other parts of the show.

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  44. Not surprised to see the dude who wanted Cena to get AIDs has this opinion.

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  45. When I tell non-fans about Katie Vick, it always gets laughs.

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  46. Edge dry-humping Beulah while pinning her at the end of the One Night Only six-man tag match. I feel so bad about laughing so hard at that.

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  47. The Norman Smiley "Smack My Bitch Up" dance.

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  48. I was pretty amused by Tensai during the karaoke segment (I think it was the thong cinched against his trunks that did it). It's worked in the past, if you have a monster heel that's failed on all counts, he can be salvaged by turning him into a comedy face: Khali and Kozlov (even though he was Future Endeavor'd in the end) ained a lot more traction with the fanbase post-turn and I think Tensai could show shades of the same if he's given the same direction. I mean, hell, even Kane garners huge pops as a goofy babyface. Fans love goofy giants, and I count myself among them.

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  49. On a smark level: Shoot interviews and backstage dirt. It's largely meaningless but I eat that shit up like candy. Especially pre Hogan early 90's WCW and 94-95-96 era WWF. You don't really hear much about those eras.

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  50. That's a pretty good description of CZW right there.

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  51. Oh yeah shoots are great. I could listen to Jim Cornette shoot all day.

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  52. Royal Rumble 94 Undertaker vs Yokozuna :)

    Wrestlemania IX

    Lex Luger in 93 and 97

    Sid in any feud: He was the man!

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  53. I actually enjoy their rematch at the Survivor Series 1994. Always enjoyed that match.

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  54. All of this is hysterical once you realize WWE already did this with him when you remember they turned him into Scotty 2 Hotty's side kick.

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  55. Sid is not a guilty pleasure, he is the fucking man. Act accordingly.

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  56. That's not a guilty pleasure, that's just a pretty good wrestling show.

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  57. Oh and also Shane McFUCKINGmahon. Don't ask me why but Shane O'mac was/is/and always will be the shit. That is all.

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  58. And, lo and behold, Albert was really good in the role and seemed to be getting over. Sure, he was essentially Rikishi-lite but it worked a lot better than having him play the generic heel hoss and having JR go on and on about his head's circumference.

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  59. Only when he's dating Trish.

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  60. Nobody does pushups like Big Poppa Pump!

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  61. I tried to find an awesome video compilation of Scott that was titled "Scott Steiner is the greatest wrestler of all time" It consisted of great botches, heh's, and my favorite Steiner line of all time. He was in a match and a Diva attacked him from behind and he said " You gonna suck my dick or what?"

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  62. A random guilty pleasure for me which I found just a few seconds ago is the main pic google uses for when people are looking up Sid Eudy... I don't know why but that gleeful expression on his face just cracks me up something rotten!

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  63. David Bowtunga. The sweater vests. The bowties. The thermos. The obnoxious slurping that I swear to god was getting louder every week. The SWANK jacket he wore over his baby-oiled covered body on the way to the ring. The posing.
    I mark hard for the man, and couldn't care less how bad he is in the ring.
    Now that I think about it, he doesn't really apply cause I feel *no* guilt cheering for the man. All I feel is pity for those who couldn't see the beauty that was right before their eyes.

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  64. They completely missed the boat on making him a manager and giving him a stable called "The Firm".

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  65. I consider pretty much any wrestling I watch to be a guilty pleasure

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  66. I never tired of seeing the nWo destroy everyone. I thought it was awesome when Hogan pinned Sting at Starrcade. nWo 4 Life.

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  67. I would like this 500 times if I could. My wrestling friends (who am I kidding, I liked the Dungeon, wrestling friend) and I used to put the shark fin up to our head and chase random people around in 9th grade.

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  68. are you serious? cancelled? maybe next raw puppet hh will confront puppet brock

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  69. I sent my guilty pleasure in to Scott. Hopefully he'll share it with you all someday.

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  70. Someone below mentioned giving Diamond Cutters to people who disagreed with him, and it made me realize another guilty pleasure:


    Random Kanyon Kutters.

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  71. Havoc 95 is a great PPV.

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  72. Shoot interviews aint a guilty for me. Its a "thing"


    Its what i love. I listen to shoots on plane rides.


    I went from Atlanta to Amsterdam listening to the Cornette youshoot and Cornette RF video shoots.


    8 hours flew by.

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  73. Shark Boy! I so miss him randomly showing up on TNA now and then.


    Santino is my current guilty pleasure, that strut and his style is just so entertaining.

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  74. I think the YouTube deal is over.

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  75. That character was genius. It was his best role and he played it perfectly. Plus, PLUS. jobbing didn't hurt his credibility, because that character wasn't a wrestler. Just a built lawyer. despite never winning, he always had a cocky, lawyer swagger and I really think they missed a few boats with him.

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  76. True but I think we're missing a very important factor that justifies all the boats they missed... he can't really wrestle :/

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  77. He had a match on Smackdown against Rey about six years ago, maybe, that totally sold me on him.

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  78. Greatest promo guy in THIS BUSINESS.

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  79. I have a thing for 1995 WCW.

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  80. I also firmly believe that Lawler's pre-Puppies heel commentary is sorely underrated. So many crappy matches saved by his humour.

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  81. Me too. In an hour SO much would happen. And a lot of the crappier stuff from that period is far more tolerable in those small doses than given PPV time.

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  82. Yeah I think it was only for twelve months sadly.

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  83. Does the fight scene from They Live count?

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  84. Undertaker/Yokozuna casket match at Royal Rumble 94. Wrestlemania 9. Undertaker/Hogan Survivor Series 91. The Patterson/Brisco evening gown match, just for JR and King's commentary.



    The awful Survivor Series match the original poster mentioned would get more brownie points from me had they had Bigelow end up going over or at least walking out on the preposterous "match." But him getting humiliated and gang raped, err pinned, and then mocked by Doink ruins it for me. They should have just had him watch his partners fall for all the stupid antics and then go "fuck this shit, this isn't even a match" and walk out and live to fuck up Doink another day.

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  85. One more I totally forgot about...David Flair and Crowbar!

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  86. Tyson Tomko as Christian's sidekick. "Tomko, drop me a beat!" "No."

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  87. Both of the original One Night Stand shows are so awesome.

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  88. WM 9 is awesome and the most underrated show of all time.

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  89. But he didn't need to wrestle. He could just go out there and get beat up and look impressive while he did it. (Not that he was impressive as a seller. but just that he had an impressive physique.) And weirdly, being a shitty wrestler actually sort of helps that character. Smarmy lawyer who thinks going to the gym makes you a good fighter? That's gold. it's GOLD, Bully!

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  90. That guru gimmick seems to have spilled over into his real life and helping a lot of people...

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  91. FUCK YOU. Scott Steiner: THE TNA YEARS.

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  92. It's a comedy match bro. You're taking it a tad too seriously.

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  93. it wasnt that shopped picture of his man tits, was it?

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  94. Mike Sanders


    "3.0 THATS ABOVE AVERAGE!!!"

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  95. SANDOW HAS RIPPED OFF SATURN!!!

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  96. You're so god damn right

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  97. David Flair was a lot more entertaining being paired up with Crowbar and Daffney, apart from that confusing story line where David cheated on his fictional girlfriend Daffney with his real-life girlfriend Stacy Keibler... which would technically mean that he wasn't cheating at all! To be fair I do find some of Bischoff and Russo's booking era of WCW back in 2000 to be a guilty pleasure of mine, like how Scott Hudson would refer to Jeff Jarrett's guitar as the 'ACOUSTIC EQUALIZER', The Cat Ernest Miller as the commissioner, Disco Inferno's immense skills at general douchebaggery, The Filthy Animal's shtick (Konnan: "Hey Tigress touch this coat... THAT'S ENOUGH!") and most of Scott Steiner's promos.... in fact all of Scott Steiner's promos in general from WCW and TNA! .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkMy25YwVCw

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  98. He didn't need to, but the biggest offense was that he was so, so bad on the mic.

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  99. One of my favorite was the Kane/Lita relationship where Kane constantly referred to Lita as his "favorite piece of property" or something to that nature. It never fails to crack me up everytime I see it. Comical Kane is always AWESOME.

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  100. Russo didn't book the 24/7 rule Crash Holly angle--he was long gone when they introduced that in late-99, early 2000.

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  101. That's the post that you deserve COTD for! A thousand likes!

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  102. I loved every second of Lawler's feud with Doink. The blowoff match at Survivor Series with the army of Mini-Mes was hilariously stupid. Lawler getting his comeuppance for being a bully was great too.

    And Bryan Clarke/Adam Bomb/Wrath/Nightstalker can do no wrong.

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  103. OH YEAH? Well I'm not familiar with his TNA work so I'll have to YouTube it! THANKS. I APPRECIATE THE F'ING HEADS UP!

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  104. I actually think Kidd and Gabriel could be main-eventers - Kidd would be a fantastic Bret/Shawn/Rey/Bryan-style smaller guy that uses his agility and technical skills to beat larger opponents, and Gabriel could easily be another "Pretty Emo Highflyer" in the vein of Jeff Hardy or a "Twilight" character.

    Primo, not a main-eventer, but they should definitely do more with him - he's good in the ring and on the mic, and seriously being held back by his cousin and manager.

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  105. Buff was awesome - he was one of the most perfect "douchebag pretty-boys" ever. Loved his stupid hat and overalls, too.

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  106. Corny is really the best shoot interview of them all. The only thing that could top it is if HHH/Steph forced Vince out for real and he did a special 72 hour all the dirt shoot.

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  107. The best part was when he took his thermos to The Grammys.

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  108. Tony Schivone's exaggerations/awful commentary. It's so awful it still makes me laugh. ....he tried to get hay bales over as painful weapons!

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  109. that hat was amazing.

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  110. to me there are no "guilty pleasures" because taste is subjective anyway. if I like it, it obviously has to have SOMETHING good (to me) about it.

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  111. the least the WWE could have done is give us programs between Kidd/Gabriel and Rhodes Scholars or Team Hell No.

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  112. I loved anytime Brian Christopher would come out to wrestle:


    "I love this guy J.R.!"
    "Yeah King, he reminds me of you!"

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  113. The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust.


    Holy shit, between the interview with JR where Luna does all the talking and a leashed Goldust is crawling around with the ball gag in his mouth, to him dressing up as Chyna and flashing Vader. Awesome stuff.

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  114. Not to mention there is a part of all us that would love to be able to think of Lita that way... cue up the masculine feminist rants

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  115. I laugh my ass off whenever a heel tries to kill a face. Various Undertaker, Kane, and nWo appearances all qualify.

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  116. to be honest, I stopped watching [i]Are You Serious?[/i] because you stopped posting a weekly link to it, Scott.

    ***testing to see if UBB code works with Disqus...

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  117. Don't make me feel so fucking old. 1982 WWF.

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  118. The night Kimona Wanaleya DANCED ON TOP OF THE ECW ARENA.

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  119. I was born in 1982. Feel old now?

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  120. I'm actually really enjoying the Tensai comedy run. He had a match with Santino at MSG last month where the loser had to sing a Christmas Carol, and he just nailed the whole situation with some pretty good timing.

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  121. Eh. My daughters born in 2003 and 2007, who will have never known of corded phones, or waiting for a favorite tv show to come on in order to see it, do that for me plenty.

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  122. Pat Patterson and Gerald Brisco as a tag team during the Attitude era. Should've won the tag belts IMO

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  123. Or cars you can actually work on without an engineering degree. Or having to wait 25 minutes to download an MP3 that takes about 10 seconds these days. Or tapes, audio or video. Man, now I feel old...



    I always think it's fun to show little kids old video games. They give you that look like "Geez, you used to actually PLAY this crap?" Especially the 2600.

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  124. You have to use actual HTML code (ie, "less than" and "greater than" characters)

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  125. Michael Cole, acting like a total douche, is my guilty pleasure.

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  126. I certainly can't justify it!

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  127. Nah. Scott Rechsteiner, the WWA YEARS!

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  128. Paul Roma was Zack Ryder without the catchphrase.

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  129. hyper text markup language?!?! NNNNOOOOOOOoooooo

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  130. That'd be mighty interesting no doubt.

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  131. I hear you. John Cena is DA MAN!!!

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  132. The time Chris Benoit headbutted Stephanie McMahon....if he had given her a Hangman's neckbreaker.....eh...never mind

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  133. This youtube video (okay, YES I'm a horrible person for laughing....but this kid is hilarious!) - Bring on the hate mail!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHzqrqF5-mo

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  134. Oh man...here I go losing any and all respect I might have had on this board...Outback Jack. The look, the Boomerang clothesline, and best of all, the ENTRANCE THEME! You have no idea how much I marked out when a gift shop in Sydney was playing "Tie Me Kangaroo Down" over the loudspeakers two years ago.

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  135. WHEN FINK CAME OUT TO THE WARRIOR'S MUSICCCCCCCCCCCC FUCK YEAAAAA

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  136. That promo is fucking awesome.

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  137. I count myself among them, too, and I was looking for your opinion. They bring in one or two guys a year to be big bad monsters, and 3/4 of the time, it doesn't work. However, the goofy giant DOES seem to work about 3/4 of the time. It's a great way for WWE to get a return on their investment.

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  138. Ric Flair vs Big Show for the ECW title.

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  139. Or when Kane smelled her hair, that had me and my friends cracking up for months

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  140. The Devil/Benoit youtube video from years back

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  141. This Benoit youtube video (okay, YES I'm a horrible person for
    laughing....but this kid is hilarious!) - Bring on the hate mail!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHzqrqF5-mo

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