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Cena/Punk winning at Mania

Hey Scott, is there any reason why Cena/Punk shouldn't both win at Wrestlemania? I know HHH/Taker last year was dubbed "End of an Era," but shouldn't that be the case this year, with part-time Rock and part-time Taker putting over the two top guys on the current roster? Cena is more obvious since they can't really have him get jabused by Rocky for the third year in a row, but unless they want Cena to be the one to do it next year at 30, having Punk end the streak seems like the best way to truly establish him as the "Best in the World" among all the casual viewers who will tune in to Mania. I mean, the WWE has pretty much sucked all it can out of the Attitude era (although apparently Rock/Brock is likely for next year) unless Austin for some reason returns for the obvious feuds against Punk & Cena, so it seems like the best idea for them would be to have two of the bigger stars from that period put over their top two guys now/the next few years.

Thanks, and I've enjoyed your writing since '98 ... even during periods when I don't watch the show weekly, I always am able to keep up with the current product through you/BOD commenters.


Holy cow, if they end the streak after this shitty buildup with a bored Punk and Undertaker sleepwalking through a storyline from 1995, they deserve whatever garbage would be rained down upon the ring by the NY crowd.  Honestly with Punk so obviously not feeling this one and just there for the paycheque, I'd fine with Taker doing a one minute "You mocked my dead manager and now prepare to die" one minute tombstone squash.  I'm not invested in the storyline and neither are the guys, so why prolong it?  

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  1. If you told me a few months ago we'd be getting Undertaker vs. CM Punk at WrestleMania I'd be ecstatic. But holy shit has this story line done nothing for me. Punk is just Kama for a new day. Punk's beat up, Undertaker is beat up. No intrigue going in. I'm expecting a decent 15 minute match at most. I'd love to be surprised but neither guy seems to be all that invested in it--and why should they be? They recycled the oldest Undertaker story line in the book. The only thing missing is that Punk didn't melt the urn and turn it into a pipe bomb.

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  2. I said this before: Cena SHOULD NOT win at Wrestlemania. He should be so consumed with beating Rock and this should be the match where he finally snaps. It should be similar to what TNA did with AJ Styles or at least that SCSA/Rock match. Even the Warrior/Savage WM match is a good blueprint where Warrior desperately tries to stay under control.


    As for Punk, he'll take the L but make the match passable.

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  3. Punk on auto-pilot is still the greatest heel work of the modern day. The only possible way I see him winning is if all the rumors of him taking time off were just to work the dirt sheets and they have some big run in store for him, but I really doubt it. At the very least for the sake of Punk's heat they shold have him lose by DQ, since no one really cares anyway and there's more mileage in feeding Punk's heel heat than giving Taker his revenge.

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  4. Just exactly how senile is Vince nowadays to think that recycling stories from the worst year in the company's history is going to lead to a successful feud

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  5. I'm not sure I agree that Punk seems bored with this feud. I actually think the build up has been decent, though I wonder how they would have booked it if Bearer hadn't died. I would say the Punk/Rock feud was massively underwhelming but UT/Punk has done better...

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  6. The only way it'd be cool for Cena to lose is if it becomes the catalyst for the heel turn... the next night on RAW!

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  7. Wait what? It's Wrestlemania, you don't do DQs.

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  8. The belt could have just stayed with Punk for a Title vs. Streak match. Then having Punk win would mean more. Rock vs. Cena II doesn't need the belt any more than it did the first time. Once Cena gets the monkey off his back (beating Rock), he could have pursued Punk's belt until SummerSlam (or MITB '13, for continuity's sake?). Punk could have recruited guys like the Shield, Mark Henry, or a heel turned Ryback to give Cena fresh feuds. Punk could have defended against a babyface Ziggler, Sheamus, Bryan, and Kane until SummerSlam. Then do the biggest Cena vs. Punk ever at SummerSlam (60-min. IronMan?).

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  9. ^This.


    They had the ready made story of belt vs. streak. Rock-Cena didn't need the title.

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  10. YankeesHoganTripleHFanMarch 31, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    I know the build up for mania has not been great but I am still going to order it because when it comes to the matches themselves you KNOW Rock, Cena, Hunter, Lesner, Taker and Punk are going to bring the goods. Plus the undercard is way better then last year so we have that to.

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  11. But with 10 matches how many of those are going to get any semblance of time? Rock-Cena and Brock-Triple with entrances, video packages, aftermath, etc will each be at least 40 minutes. Punk-Taker will probably eat up another 30.

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  12. Cena wins, but he does so using heel means. Basically just Austin's turn again. Makes more sense. Then you have your hot new heel as the champion.

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  13. Cena should only win, if he gets help from maybe Paul Heyman or CM Punk or Shield or Brock Lesnar or from all. :-) Then we would have the biggest stable since Evolution and they would have stories for at least 6 month until Ryback gets his title match against John Cena at Summer Slam.

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  14. If they had just gone with Miz-Taker we'd be talking about a possible show stealer.

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  15. Not buying the show, not into the matchups. I actually think all the heels and faces should be flipped, it's all wrong. I bought the last 3 or 4 manias.

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  16. I'd also be strangely ok with Taker just squashing him. Just feels right.

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  17. But then Punk has to win. He's not going to, and everyone knows it.

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  18. Punk has carried this angle week by week, but if it weren't for Paul's death, there would be nothing for them to talk about. I'd be fine with Kane interfering to help avenge Paul, allowing Punk to boast it took both brothers to beat him.

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  19. He does? Taker can't win the title and drop it a month later or leave it vacant because he was so beat up by Punk he can't defend it...Tournament time!

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  20. streak vs. streak

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  21. Kind of confused about all the "Punk is the best heel ever" chatter on here. Punk has done every cheesy heel tactic in the book to try and get some jeers. He's done everything but stomp a box of puppies in the center of the ring. They should have swerved him back to a heel right after MITB 11' ala Rocky at Survivor Series 98'. He was way too popular when they tried to turn him and I consider it an utter failure, another reason my $70 is staying safe with me. Punk needs some serious time off, he would be a great face foil for a freshly turned Cena if Vince had any "grapefruits" at all.

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  22. With Rock-Cena and H-Lesnar being the headliners, I can see UT-Punk being shunted down to match 3 or 4 on the card, and UT just putting a shitkicking on Punk in under 5 minutes. Post-Wrestlemania is going to be Punk's big rebuilding, and UT is gone again. This match will be an afterthought for the writers as well, as it really only gets one segment on a three hour show right now.

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  23. Thanks Captain Obvious.

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  24. Lol fandango, cesero, Sandow, clay, ....so many lame gimmicks straight from the new generation era.

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  25. The Shield helping John Cena beat the Rock would be awesome. John Cena can bring his brand of justice to WWE.

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  26. I actually want Taker to squash Punk simply so it kills the notion forever that the streak will ever be broken in the fans eyes. It's obvious by now (to anyone with any sense) that the streak is never ending and I haven't found it to be an interesting storyline since Mania 26. Hopefully this leads to the retirement of the Undertaker, if not then hopefully it leads to the Undertaker going back to squashing freakshows and jobbers like he did in his early years, inoffensive fun. I don't like seeing a star like Punk wasted in such fashion during Wrestlemania season.

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  27. Threadjack:

    Um... dafuq?

    http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/278828/Charlie-Haas-Retires-During-ROH-House-Show.htm

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  28. DQ win for Undertaker...

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  29. You're welcome, Major Awesome Contributor Yourself. The Corn Flakes without the piss in them are on your left.

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  30. jabused


    I don't know if this is a typo (not sure how the "j" would accidentally get in there based on the keyboard), but in any event, I propose this word become an official BoD term for whenever someone is simply treated like the lowest of the low during a squash match (whether he's a main eventer or a a jobber).

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  31. Signs point to Punk taking some time off after WM, so I don't think the streak is in danger.


    Unless they do something stupid like end the streak and then Taker destroys him post-match and puts him on the shelf.

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  32. We should reserve it for the matches featuring US champs, IC champs and MITB winners.

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  33. Yeah, I was thinking it might best be reserved for people getting treated that way when their position on the card, as it were, were seemingly dictate that they NOT be treated that way, but I could see it eventually just getting extended to when somebody's is just made into someone else's bitch, so I decided to go ahead and expand the parameters.

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  34. That's not a bad idea.

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  35. Exactly my complaints about Punk as a heel in general. None of this feels natural, especially when he's suddenly bitching about Triple Threats when he won about seven of them during his title reign before the turn. He's scared of Ryback, yet he went toe to toe with Henry and the Big Show multiple times.

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  36. Roode winning the title was a good example as well.

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  37. It'd be worth it to see all the whining on here after.

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  38. I wrote something like this about a week or two ago, but I think a lot of wrestling fans (and the wrestlers themselves) are stuck in an outdated way of thinking when it comes to "faces" and "heels".

    Heels are in now. Have been for a long time. Whether it's Walter White, Dexter Morgan, Vic Mackey, Hannibal Lector, or Darth Vader, people like rooting for the bad guys. They're usually more interesting. That doesn't mean that we're CONDONING their actions, it just means that we find them interesting.

    In wrestling, however, we look at a guy like Punk - who still gets a lot of cheers despite being a despicable asshole - and say that he's failing at being a "heel". Why? We all recognize that he's a despicable asshole, a big-talking, whiny wuss, and he plays the role incredibly well; he's very convincing in the role, almost blurring the line between performer and character. So what's the problem? What, exactly, is "wrong" with him getting cheered? Would it be better if the audience found him boring, didn't watch his segments, didn't buy his merchandise, etc.? Or is it better that he get cheered, despite being a "bad guy", and increases ratings, buy-rates, and merchandise sales, if even the slightest bit? In what way does him getting cheered actually impact the product negatively?

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  39. How about this... Punk wins, and steals the Dead Man gimmick! Or is he not tall enough?

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  40. Hey now, Fandango is the new age Disco Inferno! Cesaro is the new age Iron Sheik! Sandow is the new age Dean Douglas! Clay is the new age Rikishi!

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  41. One thing I've been thinking: odds on Taker pulling out his over-the-top-rope-hands-free tope?


    Did he even try it last year (with the cell being so close on all?). 2011 was the year he landed on Deuce on Domino (forget which) posing as a cameraman for the sake of the spot, right?

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  42. He landed on(or was supposed to land on) Deuce in 2009 against Shawn. 2011 was the last time he did it and he didn't really land it all that good either. Personally I hope we don't see it. One of these times he's gonna Brock Lesnar himself.

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  43. I love Punk as a heel but since his turn this year his character has done nothing for me. It's been all "____(insert name of town) is a dump. You people suck and you are dumb." Or "I deserve respect!" He's like Alberto Del Rio instead of Destiny it's respect. That's most every Punk promo since Summerslam. They are completely limiting him.

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  44. No way, we still need Taker/Cena next year.


    Although I can definitely see how a one-sided squash would help build for Taker/Cena next year.

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  45. ... loser has to streak?

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  46. I seriously doubt Rock will bring the goods.


    Unless the "goods" are oxygen tanks.

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  47. I would friggin' LOVE a Cena/Punk "Ironman" match.

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  48. Or Ziggler could cash in the next night.

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  49. Agreed, though I can understand why Vince would want the title involved - I still think Rock/Cena should have been for the World Title, but that's just me.

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  50. Giant Gonzalez says otherwise. Its been done.

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  51. There's nothing wrong with a heel getting cheered. Hell, the fans chanted along with the Rock when he was still in the Corporation. The problem with current Punk is that none of his material feels natural, it feels like he's following a script. When he was a face and when he was a tweener pre-MITB 2011, he felt natural. The moment the heel turn happened, it felt very paint by the numbers heel tactics, except for the first promo between him and the Rock.

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  52. After the late 90's and even up to the mid 2000's I'm not sure how WWE thought going back to traditional heels and faces was a good idea or would work on any level. Cool heels and anti heroes are fat more interesting than Reagan era good vs. evil.

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  53. Punk sucks as a heel because he's whining about respect (despite everyone respecting him) and being held back (despite being champ) and wants to break the Streak because of reasons. There's nothing motivating him to do anything - and he's resorting to cheap heat because there's no reason otherwise for him to be a heel.

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  54. You underestimate his powers of withering evil. That "you don't get to win" promo was like an evil manifesto. Punk didn't work that well as a face. He's not the pandering type. He's a slimy self righteous jerk with a persecution complex. I'm betting you're one of those people who still gets hung up on "if I like them, they should be faces". As for using cheapo tactics, that comes from Punk. He's a Memphis afficionado, going back to when the Chicago indie scene had connections to what came up in Memphis after Lawler. And Memphis heels were cheap and cowardly.

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  55. I thought it was a portmanteau of jabroni and abused, which sounds about right.

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  56. The Streak is so played at this point. There is limited benefit in keeping it going every year past the point when Taker still looks like a thrreat. At this point its like sacrificing a virgin to the Volcano Gods once a year.

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  57. And they could make then CM Punk vs Kane at Extreme Rules.

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  58. Too bad he didn't bring any oxygen tanks with him to the Rumble. Punk gassed him out.

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  59. Actually cool heels were always my preference dating back to Rude and Perfect. Ric Flair is my all time favorite and I HATE anytime he was a face. I also stopped watching for several years when HBK switched back to face after Summerslam 05. So no I don't think my favorite wrestlers should be faces. I enjoy CM Punk as a performer, as I person I can't stand him or his views.

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  60. I'd say they weren't good, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that spot teased with Punk doing something like rolling towards the apron or fleeing down the aisle to avoid it.

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  61. That stip shouldonly apply to Bellas vs. the Funkadactyls match...and they BOTH get disqualified.

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  62. No doubt he's popular but his whole act is tough to pass off as a babyface.

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  63. Oh I disagree with that. Heel just naturally flows from punk and I found his babyface run forced. He's just so good at playing the bad guy and I think punk/cena is as good a rivalry as any in history because they are perfect opposites.

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  64. It's nice that The Rock has the number one movie this weekend but I'm sorry, the REAL Roadblock is the unheralded WCW performer back in the day!!!

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  65. And it sucked big floppy donkey dick then.

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  66. I agree with you. And part of me thinks that Cena will lose with Rock squeaking out the win, resulting in a rematch at Extreme Rules (Rock is rumoured to perform at the PPV) and that's where Cena goes ballistic and wins the title.

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  67. OK, something happened during a booking meeting that he didn't like, so he's bailing. It's the only thing that makes sense. Even if he wanted to retire, why not wait until next week, eat a Paydirt and then hang it up?

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  68. He's too good a heel to be a face.

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  69. Typically I'm not a fan of Iron Man matches. I'd much prefer getting an hour long standard match between Punk and Cena. I loved their match on Raw a few weeks back but I totally could have seen it going an hour.

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  70. I hate to keep bringing this up because WWE doesn't follow their own rules but his case is WHC not WWE title.

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  71. I really hope the reports are true and Punk does take some time off. Don't get me wrong he's one of the only bright spots in WWE right now. But he had knee surgery and took very little time off. I'd rather him heal now and miss 2 or 3 months rather than keep trying to grind through it and lose a few years down the line.

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  72. Mmm... Naomi...

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  73. But like you said, they don't follow their own rules.

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  74. So it's become a rule that they don't follow their rules. So they won't follow their rule about not following rules, thereby they'll follow their rule. I don't know it's WWE. We'll see when it happens. Knowing how they treat Dolph he'll use it to cash in on the US title.

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  75. No shit, that would be funny as hell. Plus it could lead to a Punk/Bryan feud without AJ's bony ass.

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  76. That's not a defense. They've had one DQ at Wrestlemania since 15 and it sucked.


    Ending the match on a DQ is a really bad idea.

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  77. I think it's a work, though I'm waiting for johntcole to share his thoughts on the matter, he was at the show.

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  78. They way he's been jobbing I thought he already was U.S. champ.

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  79. I live about 30 minutes from Metlife Stadium and wanted to let the blog know that at this moment (7pm; one week away officially from WM), it is now 42% and drizzling (and it feels damn cold).

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  80. I'm in Jersey. I just came in the house and the weather is fucked up.

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  81. Signs don't point. You point at signs.

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  82. I beg to differ. It could be taking place in Soviet Russia.

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  83. "So it's become a rule that they don't follow their rules. So they won't follow their rule about not following rules, thereby they'll follow their rule. I don't know it's WWE."

    Mind. Blown.

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  84. Beat me to it, I was just about to type "Yakov Smirnoff would disagree".

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  85. So is sacrificing the heat of one of their top stars to an old man who wrestles once a year. They ended their main event just 2 years ago on a no contest, one DQ in the throwaway match for the sake of someone's heat isn't blasphemy, just business.

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  86. Cena should turn heel during the match a la Stone Cold at X-Seven. Completely screw over the Rock to build to their sure-to-follow Wrestlemania 30 rubber match. Let heel Cena run wild for a year, see how it goes, have a WM30 match, and move on from there.

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  87. likewise. this weather is GROSS!

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  88. It's so funny how determined they were to turn Austin and how against the Cena turn when Austin made them way more money as a face in about one week in 1998 then Cena has his entire Hulkamania-lite run

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  89. Disco is way better than Fandango

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  90. In a strange way, I actually found the Undertaker vs. Triple H build last year intriguing and refreshing because it was actually a twist on the streak storyline. For years now the story has been about somebody wanting to end the streak. Last year, it was about the Undertaker wanting to redeem himself after being dominated the prior year and basically getting a fluke victory. And in that regard, the match actually played out right as well -- Undertaker won decisively and proved he still had it. But yeah, I they need to figure something out for him other than "Challenger wants to end Undertaker's streak."

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  91. I think WWE REALLY missed the boat on creating some sort of conspiracy between Cena and the Shield. It seemed strange that the Shield repeatedly attacked every top face -- Sheamus, Kane, Bryan, Ryback, Orton, Mysterio, etc. -- but for whatever reason stayed out of Cena's business (despite feuding with Punk during that period). Instead of doing the reveal that Punk and Shield are aligned, have Punk and Heyman come out and bring up the point that Shield has mysteriously left Cena off their hit list. Have them stir the pot a bit. Then have Shield attack Cena's opponents, seemingly unsolicited.


    I can understand their desire to want to keep Cena face, so in the end they could have Cena show that he really wasn't with them. But at least for the WrestleMania build, there would be a little complexity to his character.

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  92. Punk/Taker will take place near the end of the card for the simple reason that Undertaker's entrance has to happen when it's dark out. I don't see that match happening until after 9:00.

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  93. That would have been good. Doubt in people's minds is good for "telling stories". If kids don't get it, oh well. They'll still enjoy Cena coming back and beating his opponents. Adults can enjoy the deeper stories. All of the various cartoons ever made usually has these aspects. Just watch Looney Toons and various 80s cartoons like He-Man, Thundercats, etc. It's something WWE doesn't seem to get.

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  94. It depends on the performer. For example, John Cena CLEARLY needs an edge to him (it seems like they completely forgot that his bad ass, cooler than the room attitude was what got him so insanely over in the first place), but I think guys like Rey Mysterio and Kofi Kingston can work as classic babyfaces. Likewise, I think somebody like Cody Rhodes is perfect as a traditional heel. His whiny "I am an adult and I can grow a mustache if I want to!" was better than pretty much anything a cool heel at his level has said.

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  95. The problem was the writing. They should have focused on the fact that Cena had Punk beat the night he turned heel, and used THAT realization as a justification for the announcers to use for Punk's heel turn. By having the announcers bring up the fact that Punk now realizes he can be beat and that his reign could come to an end WOULD explain why he's suddenly afraid of somebody like Ryback (despite already overcoming monsters) and suddenly thinks a triple threat is unfair. But instead, the announcers decided to suddenly think he's an unfit champion.

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  96. Bugs Bunny was sometimes one hell of a heel. So was Jerry Mouse.

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  97. To play devil's advocate, they also had A LOT more big stars during that period. Of course, their lack of stars right now is their own fault, so who knows?

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  98. In Philly, and this weather sucks.

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  99. Totally agree. I loved the twist they added on the match last year.

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  100. In Cali and it's cold and wet.

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  101. But don't forget that Punk also had Cena beat thanks to the Big Show, but Punk hesitated because he didn't want to win that way.

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  102. It's not good business.


    You want one of the top matches at Wrestlemania that centres around the biggest ongoing Wrestlemania storyline to end in a DQ.


    I want Punk to win, but losing to Undertaker isn't going to hurt him. Ending in a DQ is just going to make everyone look bad, and it will cheapen the Streak and Punk.


    I think a DQ hurts Punk more than losing a hard fought match.

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  103. Is it really that Punk sucks a heel, though, or is just that he has nothing to work with?

    Cuz to me, it's like when a good actor is in a bad movie.

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  104. "I mustache you a question" was fantastic, as well.

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  105. You spelled "hot" wrong before "asss."

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  106. Yep. Punk could say (after beating Cena, Rock, and everyone else) there is only ONE thing left to do that is on the level of his title reign and start calling out Taker for a few weeks. Then you get the satisfying moment when the lights finally go out on Punk and Taker is actually there to accept. Kinda like the HBK-Taker build.

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  107. Or CM Punk vs Undertaker at extreme rules, coz then Punk can go over

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  108. Nope. That was way back in 2009. And "intended to land on him" is a better description of what actually happened.


    Perversely, that botch really helped the match, as I totally bought them calling some audible to give Shawn Michaels the win by countout.

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  109. I think we all know what goods Rocky bought.

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  110. I think there should be realism. But wrestling works best if you're rabidly angry at the heel. You want to seem them absolutely destroyed by the babyface.


    It's one thing to appreciate the craftsmanship of the work, but getting emotionally invested into the feuds makes it all the better, IMO.

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  111. I felt that Punk whining about not getting respect he was clearly getting would've worked better.


    But Cena can't show ANY ASS in promos. And it killed it.

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  112. I want to cheer the people I like...how is that bad?


    I want to boo heels. I want to cheer faces. I want to be a mark. I want to lose myself to the story of wrestling. I want to suspend my disbelief.


    Punk is mostly reasonable, I can't in good conscious boo him.

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  113. Expect they debuted by beating Cena's ass and costing him the triple threat with Punk...


    So you're wrong.

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  114. you're going on this standard that DQs are always bad, and I don't agree. Sometimes it serves a purpose for storytelling, and not letting someone in their prime look bad against someone who cannot go anymore is more important than maintaining some kind of DQ virginity.

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  115. But the DQ will still make him look bad, as he still can't beat the old man, and everyone will shit on it, and rightfully so. It taints Punk, taints Taker and taints the Streak.

    They still have Cena v. Taker left to burn, and that match suddenly loses its luster if Taker starts keeping his streak by DQ.


    DQs aren't always bad. DQs on PPV are bad, and DQs at Wrestlemania are indefensible.


    What's the story? Punk gets himself DQed? And then what? Does he just run to the back? Does Taker kick his ass? Does he yell pipe bomb over and over again? People paying $60+ to see one of the main events end in a DQ won't be happy either.


    Part of the allure of the streak is that Taker always wins, and he wins by taking his opponent's best shot and still being able to hang on and gut it out. He doesn't win bc Punk low blows him and runs away.

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  116. If Rock-Cena is going to be 40 minutes then the first four rows are going to pass out from lack of oxygen after all the wind Rocky'll be sucking.

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  117. Punk as the vicious, militant straight edge heel like he was in ROH( complete with "straight edge means I'm better than you" catchphrase) would definitely be a better fit. They kind of fucked that up with the Straight Edge Society already, but it's been long enough that he could use it again. It's funny: they have one of the most unique heels in the business, and they stick him with the same boring shit that they give everyone else.

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  118. im up-voting cuz ive said this like a week ago.

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  119. Everyone craps on HHH's twenty minute promos but you could cut the Rock's promos down by two thirds if they weren't "The Rock is going to tell you, let the Rock tell you, the Rock is about to tell you how he's going to kick Cena's ass. Cena, the Rock is going to kick your monkey ass!"

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  120. Heel gets cheered...
    who should be a face...
    goes out and loses...
    Fans are pissed...
    Fans eventually understand that heel wont turn face for a while...
    Heel keeps losing...
    Fans stop caring...
    Fans stop paying...

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  121. Its not really on par with a main event, and The Streak stopped meaning shit years ago when it became clear Taker doesn't have it in him anymore. You're hoping for some amazing war of attrition and you're lying to yourself if you think Taker is capable of that anymore. A DQ is less embarrassing than a hobbled old skeleton with tattoos laying around for minutes on end and then popping up to beat the best wrestler in the world. Sorry dude, the emperor has no clothes.

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  122. Just like Nexus beating up CM Punk when they first debuted... only for Punk to lead them later on

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  123. 10 minutes of HBK crying in the corner?


    No thanks.

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  124. Well that's just not true.

    Given the acclaim for Taker's matches from 23-26, plus the fact that a lot of people loved the HHH matches (I know others didn't), it's clear that the streak still means something to the fans. I was at WM 27, and the crowd was freaking out, getting almost uncomfortable, when it seemed like HHH was going to win. Look at the reaction last year to the Sweet Chin Music->Pedigree spot..


    I don't think we're going to get some war of attrition and I don't think we need Punk giving him a million finishing moves. I just want a clean finish, (well I want Punk to win, but you know) and not some fuck finish DQ that doesn't accomplish anything, but cheapens Mania, Punk, the Streak and the Undertaker in one fell swoop, while also pissing off the paying customer, who isn't going to pay to see some rematch at Extreme Rules.


    I still don't get how the DQ works. Punk still can't beat the hobbled old man, and does this build to some rematch that doesn't happen? Do we get months of Kane v. Punk? Does Taker just beat him up after the match?

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  125. Oh I get it, you'd like to see them naked, as in without clothing!

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  126. I thought you were into chicks that look like they'd be great in the sack... and it is universally known that crazy chicks are great in the sack

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  127. Say Punk gets DQ'ed for something in the heat of the match, like not breaking a chokehold or that Tarantulaish thing he does, so it looks like he was pulling out all the stops to try to beat Taker and he got carried away. That way he can spend the next year gloating about how he was going to end the Streak but got screwed or whatever, and move on to something else.

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  128. What has he done as a person to make you dislike him? I've always heard he was an asshole, but never really seen anything explaining what makes him an asshole.

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  129. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbzNRGZuW2o

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  130. Yea, that's awful. It makes everyone look stupid (Punk with a shot to end the streak just decides fuck it because he locks in a hold, Taker, who has survived multiple finishers, only wins bc a guy locks in a hold too long?) and the crowd will shit on it and rightfully so.

    Nobody comes out of this a winner.

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  131. Yeah, but he wasn't behind them the entire time.


    He joined them to lead them.


    If Cena said something like, "I knew the Shield were too powerful to stop...so I joined them", yeah that'd work. But saying "I was behind it the entire time" is immensely stupid.

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  132. Nobody comes out a winner anyway because it shouldn't have been booked and Taker should be balls deep in Michelle McCool and not stinking up the ring in one match a year. If they are gonna book a Streak match every year they might as well leave it to uppercard heels who are less likely to matter in this spot. Ziggler would've gotten a rub from it, Punk does not. A DQ isn't ideal but i'd rather see that than Punk getting squashed by his lesser.

    And again, you're hoping for the moon if you think Taker is going to work a long match. He's going to come out, do some tease spots, Punks gonna lock in some holds so Taker can sleep, and then Taker's gonna either stand up and Tombstone him or lock in Hells Gate and get the chokeout win, and then all the Taker marks will think its some mat wrestling classic because for some reason people are easily fooled. At the very very least Punk should get the consideration of passing out to Hells Gate and not tapping.

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  133. I don't care for his views, he reminds of a pretentious 9th grader. Also huge asshole to fans outside the ring. I suspect he hates being a face because it means actually having to maybe sign an autograph at Cracker Barrel once and a while or be nice to fans. Randy Savage and Steve Austin were 2 of the best heels ever but they could also be the megastar babyface when the time called for it, something Punk couldn't pull off.

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  134. I think it will be a 15 minute match, which is fine. No need to go too long, and let's not do the STAY DOWN FINISH HIM COME ON DEADMAN stuff.

    As long as Taker gets his spots on, Punk does some bump, I think it will be a fine little match.



    You don't do DQs at Wrestlemania, it just is bad business, especially with how Taker's streak has been built up and protected.


    You may think Taker looks old and broken down (and he does) but the fans still buy him and the streak as threats, and his matches have become the most popular aspect of the show.


    I'd rather Punk just tap to Hell's Gate, the pass out stuff is lame and anti-climatic.


    Can Punk even GTS him?

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  135. Also, I think Punk is bulletproof enough that jobbing to Taker at WM shouldn't hurt him. He'll be fine. And this is from someone who badly wants him to win.

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  136. Not so. They can wear heels.

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  137. Shoes are an accessory!

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  138. Of course Punk can GTS him. He's GTSed everyone he's gone against besides Big Show. He's not particularly weak for being smaller. And Taker probably weighs in the 270s range, max, regardless of what they bill him as.

    You are still putting more faith in Taker than he deserves. The Michaels matches were years ago, and the HHH matches were more like movie fight scenes than wrestl

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  139. I loved the first HHH match. I was there, which makes me biased, but seeing it live was just incredible. Me and my friends were freaking out, as was the rest of the crowd.

    Last year's match was still fun, though HBK's acting and STOP THE MATCH DON'T HIT HIM WITH CHAIRS got old, and some of the near falls were cliche.


    If he's wrestling one match a year, on a big stage, he can still go. That's what makes his matches special. Ending them in DQs just cheapens everything.


    Whenever Punk tries to GTS Kane it always seems to look awkward and end badly.

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  140. Actually, no, you're wrong. They attacked Ryback but mysteriously didn't lay a finger on Cena. In fact, Ryback had just hit Cena with his finisher when they made their attack. They completely leave Cena alone

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  141. Uh...then how the fuck was Cena so dead that Punk just had to crawl over to pin him.


    They killed both of them.

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