Scott,
Obviously outside circumstances changed whatever plans were in place, but what was the plan for Vince McMahon's limo exploding/death angle? Was there some big picture plan for it, or was it another of those "Higher Power"/"Who hit Austin?" type angles?
The payoff was supposed to be Vince faking his own death so that he could discover who was truly loyal to him, ala King Lear. That was all they had planned out at the point when Benoit went and selfishly cost them their big summer angle.
When can we get a Scott Sez for the King Lear rant?!
ReplyDeleteWhatever it is, I can safely say that Richard III ranks among the greatest heels of all time.
ReplyDeleteFFS, no spoiler alert for the King Lear ending?!
ReplyDeleteI thought that Benoit blew up the limo.
ReplyDeleteOne of the writers for that awful angle came out recently and said the payoff was Vince, after amnesia, showing up with a band of hobos taking back the company. Wow I hate the creative team.
ReplyDeleteIt was Paul London's smirk
ReplyDeleteNo, I'm pretty sure this was going to be the start of a major heel push for Paul London.
ReplyDeleteBeing we are dealing with former soap opera writers, Im guessing it wouldve wound up being Vince's evil twin Dolph that was actually the guy blown up in the limo...
ReplyDeleteYeah, that post from the ex-writer has the distinction of being the biggest traffic generator in the history of the blog. And I still maintain that Vince's army of hobos would have been the GREATEST THING EVER.
ReplyDeleteA heel so over it took burying him for 500 years under a car park in Leicester to turn him face
ReplyDeletePowerful Dom Irrera.
ReplyDeleteNo, Vince is definitely the evil twin.
ReplyDeleteOnly if Cactus Jack was among those hobos.
ReplyDeleteNo one even knew what learing at a girl meant back then so it's hard to judge the Brits sure
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rspwfaq.net/2012/12/six-million-pageview-request-king-lear.html
ReplyDeleteThere are lots of great stories from Shakespeare that they can borrow.
ReplyDeleteOthello: #2 guy in a group/fed makes the #1 guy jealous by making him think his girlfriend/wife is cheating on him. This is because #2 wants #1's title. #1 guy loses his girlfriend/wife and becomes saddened. #2 guy wins title shot against #1 guy and wins title. #2 guy tells the world of his scheme. #1 guy can then seek revenge.
Romeo & Juliet: Two rival groups hate each other but one member of each group still like each other (maybe there were a tag team). Therefore, whenever the two groups fight, then can't fight each other.
Julius Caesar (let's use NWO because they got it so close): Nash & Hall stabs Hogan in the back because they want to run the NWO. Hogan is out of action for a long time (like 6 months to a year). NWO splits into 2 groups: 1 that supports Hall & nash and 1 that supported Hogan and the 2 groups fight for the supremacy of the group. They fight for a couple months and end it in wargames for control of the NWO and the other group has to disband.
King Lear?! It was Scott who blew up the limo!
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ReplyDeleteThat would have been right up there with Ric Flair storming the Nitro set with his army of mental patients.
ReplyDeleteI agree. When you take into consideration the weak storylines that are currently going on, you need something that is outside the box. A band of hobos led by an amnesiac/insane Vince just screams "must see TV". Of course, I'm sure they would have found some way to screw it up.
ReplyDeleteDon't mind the newbz.
ReplyDeleteHERE'S SOMETHING NO ONE TALKS ABOUT.
ReplyDeleteWHO KNOCKED OVER THE RAW EQUIPMENT SO IT CAN LAND ON MCMAHON THE YEAR AFTER?
WE NEVER FUCKING FOUND OUT.
Already did Romeo and Juliet.
ReplyDeleteSpike Dudley and Molly Holly.
That one wasn't a work.
ReplyDeleteThat's what happens when you get involved with unions.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mbE-K5ACk
ReplyDeleteonly if they had shotguns.
ReplyDeleteWhich begs the obvious question: Did they get the idea from Shakespeare, or did someone at Titan Towers read the King Lear rant?
ReplyDeleteI thought the limo explosion was sort of a commentary on Sopranos fade to black ending.
ReplyDeleteOr Step watched that "A Family that Prey together" and got an idea.
ReplyDeleteI never finished that movie but I really dug the vibe of the whole thing. It felt like something out of Troma studios but with better acting.
ReplyDeleteFor real though Scott. King Lear with Scott Sez. We want it.
ReplyDeleteHobo army? Was this angle conceived by John Swartzwelder?
ReplyDeleteHaha. His influence ruled in those first 6 years of the Simpsons.
ReplyDeleteDidn't he get in trouble for that or something?
ReplyDeleteI wonder how I missed that. I was on the site when that was posted.
ReplyDeleteWasn't the plan for that Raw supposed to be a "Vince McMahon" memorial show or something? Weird twist of fate.
ReplyDeleteSo glad I missed that period.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit that's awesome. Ridiculous, stupid, and would make me embarrassed to enjoy it but awesome.
ReplyDeleteIt happened months ago. Where were you?
ReplyDeleteIt's pretty upsetting that the "huge summer angle" involved a guy that was 5 years past his character expiration date. I understand thinking outside the box and telling stories, but couldn't a pretty big angle like this go to, idk, a WRESTLER or something?? This type of crap goes on even today--i despise these creative teams.
ReplyDeleteGood call dude.
ReplyDeleteI've read that the angle was thought of after the Soprano's finale. The finale made so much news at the time that it SOMEHOW infiltrated the behind the times creative team.
ReplyDeleteHe's stated in many shoot interviews that he was chewed out backstage after that for "ruining the entire scene." It's hilarious to watch now with him the only one showing any emotion. He also states that he was on thin ice anyway backstage for numerous things. Check out his shoots with Kendrick--really funny.
ReplyDeleteI think Kendrick and London could have been a bigger deal on SmackDown. I know they were tag champs for a long time but it never felt they were emphasized. He and London could have been a really great center piece of the tag division but it was dead at that point anyway.
ReplyDeleteDrunk, off posting somewhere about how we should all takes copious amounts of every drug known to man, no matter how dangerous or addictive
ReplyDeleteAlex Greenfield was on Konnan's MLW podcast a few weeks ago and said the same thing. He was the lead Smackdown writer at the time and he claims he tried really hard to give them some stories and tv time but it was nixed constantly. If he's head writer, how the fuck does that happen...
ReplyDeleteWow, not only were they going to recycle a WCW angle, but a bad one, to boot
ReplyDeleteDidn't Spike Dudley quote Richard III backstage for the camera in Beyond the Mat while his face and hair were caked in blood?
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, even though Vince was the victim, it definitely seemed like it was leading to a wrestler being the one behind it. Killing - or attempting to kill - the boss would have been a pretty major angle for the lucky wrestler.
ReplyDeleteThank you vey much. Really not sure how I missed that one.
ReplyDeleteIt's making me smile just thinking about it. It's as absurd as Vince leading a "Union"!
ReplyDeletePretty sure the plan originally involved pushing Mr. Kennedy, as well - he was going to be either the perpetrator (if the angle was that someone actually did try to kill Vince), or Vince's accomplice (if the angle was that Vince set-up the whole thing).
ReplyDeleteIt's one of the nuttiest movies I've ever seen.
ReplyDeletelol, or it would have been hornswoggle ;)
ReplyDeleteHeyman is great - he keeps telling him to wipe it, in his head it must of been like "Don't just stand there and bleed dummy"
ReplyDeleteNice to see I wasn't the only one who missed it.
ReplyDeleteProbably because it's just a job title and if HHH, or more importantly, Vince, don't go for it, it won't happen.
ReplyDeleteYes it was.
ReplyDeleteagree to disagree. those excellent adventure shoots are cure for insomnia.
ReplyDeletetoo trippy for my taste.
damn beat me to it.
ReplyDeletegood one.
i would have liked the limo deal...
ReplyDeletebut then again i was feelin the illegitimate kid storyline as well. i wasnt a fan of kennedy's, i just wanted to see where it was gonna go.
I completely misread that as 'when you get involved with onions'
ReplyDeleteRemember the pop that Kennedy got when Vince was talking about it, and he (Kennedy) emphasized his name/Vince's last name? Crowd was totally behind it.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to lie, when I first read the news of Benoit being found dead in his home, I honestly thought it was still part of the storyline.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking WWE upgraded from soap opera writers to horror movie writers.
That sucks. There was some talent there. They weren't gonna be huge draws but they could have solidified the show and sold merch. And made entertaining TV. I can't even think of any real tag teams during that time. MNM vs. Londrick would have been a great deal.
ReplyDeleteI swear there's been a few good Iagos in wrestling, but all i can think of is Christopher Daniels in ROH.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably the best thing to ever come out of Halifax.
ReplyDeleteI'll take "Damning with faint praise" for $500, Alex.
ReplyDeleteDid Scott ever Scott Sez the Lazarus rant? Google is failing me.
ReplyDeleteHulk Hogan to Macho Man's Othello.
ReplyDeleteFucking great film.
ReplyDeleteWell, the hobos are nice there at least.(If depressingly un-Rutger in appearence)
ReplyDeleteBut he doesn't have a problem though.
ReplyDeleteVince's illegitimate son, I believe.
ReplyDeleteThat would have been the greatest thing ever actually. I would've totally been on board for that.
ReplyDeleteVince is worried that they're running out of nostalgia acts to bring back
ReplyDeleteBut he's not worried because he's just seen this new film called the sixth sense about a kid that sees dead people
WM30 main event - Zach Ryder Vs the ghost of Dino Bravo (spoiler - Ryder jobs)
Chavo prodding Eddy in 2005 to turn on Rey because Rey didn't 'get' him, resulting in the mega-long feud was pure Iago.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but isn't the integral part of Iago jealousy? I guess Chavo was jealous of Eddy's friendship with Rey...but the pay-off was Eddy turning heel. Chavo was just...there, y'know? Though I guess that's the story of Chavo's career.
ReplyDeleteWell said. Chavo WAS annoyed at the Rey/Eddy team because Rey wasn't LA FAMILIA (and because Eddy wasn't teaming with Chavo because he'd been injured). Rey encouraged Eddy to not cheat during his matches, which wasn't an issue before Chavo spoke to Eddy but afterwards he looked at it in a different light and figured Rey would never accept Eddy for what he was: A Liar, A Cheater and A Stealer.
ReplyDeleteOne of my all-time favourite feuds due to the amount of characterization involved. It wasn't just AH I'M A HEEL NOW, everything made sense logically. Which also meant some crowds would still cheer for Eddy.
But seeing how Anderson hasn't turned into much of anything in or out of the ring, in the end it was for the best.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of "big summer angles," what was the endgame for the Donald Trump buys Raw storyline of the summer of 09? Just like the limo thing, it ended way early thanks to some investor complaints since apparently they thought Raw was actually being sold.
ReplyDeleteIt's been the Vince M.O. that he just be taken out randomly then just reappear without any explanation since about '07. You have the limo incident, the Million Dollar giveaway accident in 2008, Nexus beatdown in 2010, and being removed from the board in 2011. He's always just returned as if nothing happened after a few months.
ReplyDeleteGoddamit. Now all I can imagine is a wrestling show written by John Swartzwelder. Thanks for ruining wrestling for me.
ReplyDeleteFuck really? Must have been over the winter when I was offline. Well what about reposting World Hero Federation?
ReplyDeleteNot all drugs. Definitely not heroin or crack, and even coke is probably ok to skip unless you trust your willpower. And I personally hate most painkillers and mood drugs and wouldn't recommend them. Most of the rest of it is probably ok in small doses.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't trust Trump with my brand, either. I'll always remember that Raw fondly: that was the first night we brought my daughter home from the hospital after being born that Saturday.
ReplyDeleteDid you ask her to wait until a commercial break at least?
ReplyDeleteShe slept most of the time. I also remember having to go out in the waiting room when her mother was getting the epidural and watching hype for UFC 100, and Dana White claiming a GSP/Silva fight was in the works. My daughter will be 4 in June and so far, nothing.
ReplyDeleteThe whole "Trump Buys Raw" junk was a excuse plot to set up the whole "Guest Host" gimmick Vince had going for a couple of years, in terms of having celebrities making regular appearances on Raw to flog their shit.....
ReplyDeleteNever forget who fed your bank account those days, Scott! =)
ReplyDelete100 was 4 years ago?! Jeez.....
ReplyDeleteWith how much they pimp their Social Media score and Tout/Tout Accessories I kind of wish they were behind the times.
ReplyDeleteI know people are suckers for heels here. But I for one love great face turns. Mostly because they're so fucking rare...
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