Hey Scott,
In light of Bret's recent comments about Triple H not being a great wrestler, how about a blog topic on the dumbest/most ludicrous things to leave a wrestlers mouth outside of the show.
Hogan probably wins this one easily, since you know he slammed That 950 pound stinky smelly wart infested Andre at Wrestlemania 3, killing him dead before Andre had a chance to shoot on him and take the Title brother!
What's your favorite line/ who is your favorite fibber?
Hogan probably wins this one easily, since you know he slammed That 950 pound stinky smelly wart infested Andre at Wrestlemania 3, killing him dead before Andre had a chance to shoot on him and take the Title brother!
What's your favorite line/ who is your favorite fibber?
My "favorites" tend to be the ones these days where guys try to sell WWE as wholesome entertainment, untainted by drugs or partying because the guys are most interested in playing video games in their hotel rooms instead of scoring blow like in the bad old days. You know, the bad old days of the early 2000s. I have no doubt that the atmosphere is much less toxic now, and for the better, but as long as guys are paying the "pot tax" and working with two strikes, they're basically full of shit when they talk about that aspect.
"Gerald Brisco stepped on my ankle..."
ReplyDeleteJust read any of Vince's remarks during conference calls. You could fill a book.
ReplyDeleteAny time Hogan opens his mouth these days is pure gold.
ReplyDeleteAlso, as far as the sparkly clean backstage atmosphere being a lie, I partly agree. Stories have popped up here and there about Cena holding guys down or getting upset about finishers looking better than him. Stories about Orton's little tantrums, too.
BUT, I think the atmosphere is better than it used to be. The 80s had cocaine fiends left, right, and centre. We had the stories of Michaels' party-going and backstage tomfoolery. But I think overall, it's better. Maybe? There's all the stories of the idiocy of Triple H, as well. But I think after Pillman, Eddie, and especially Benoit, they're a little more careful about substance abuse. Pot doesn't seem to bother them for the most part, maybe one of those "Don't get caught and we'll look the other way" kind of things.
Eric Bishoff had some good ones. The ratings war isn't fun anymore because he's winning so easily, and Steve Austin's a big fish in a small pond.
ReplyDeleteNot so much a comment but I laugh at the Road Dogg story about Bret pulling him aside on a plane and giving him shit for saying Shawn Michaels was the best on the internet.
I can't recall any off the top of my head but Goldberg must have some stupid comments under his belt.
He only said that to keep face in public, privately he approached Bret and, with tears in his eyes, confided in him that Bret's punch was the hardest he's ever felt, and with that type of toughness he deserved to be UFC Champion.
ReplyDeleteAnytime Hogan, Nash, Bischoff or anybody of their ilk try to portray WCW as a "success" because of their ratings winning streak. Looking back on the nWo era of WCW and calling it a success is like a football team saying "yeah we were winning for the first three quarters of the game, but then our opponent scored A HUNDRED POINTS in the 4th quarter and we lost."
ReplyDeleteseriously. give it a fucking rest. you are more of a gimmick than dougie or the hillbilly jim beard guy at this point
ReplyDeletejust a list of Flair and Hogan comments would fill a top 100 that is light years worse than Bret's OPINION. HBK also is full of shit. Many guys have convenient issues with timelines (see Nash, Kevin). it would be quicker to catalog a list of wrestlers who make honest statements than try to catalog and rank all the BS most of these guys spout off.
ReplyDeleteJohnny Garganos gimmick is essentially what Cena is now.
ReplyDeleteScrew the haters. I never get tired of this joke!
ReplyDeleteHunter got over because his best talent was being a designated driver.
ReplyDelete'What big star ever laid down for me?' -Trips
ReplyDeleteAustin, Rock, Foley, Shawn (literally)......
Nash saying that Guerrero and Benoit killed the business...and then when there was plenty of negative feedback for this interview, he starts tweeting out "Marks, lolz" or something like that. So, if we like what he says, he's a genius. If we don't like it, we just got suckered in by a genius because he was just playing with us (even though he was speaking ill of the dead). Such is the mindset for the Airport Championship Wrestling heavyweight champ. That's my least/most favorite, I think, outside of the Hogan stuff.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, I actually buy into a lot of the gamer/nerd propaganda. So many of the wrestlers do talk about their love for video games, and so many of them grew up as wrestling geeks. It all started when Edge and Christian came along, really. I look at about half the roster and see wrestling nerds I can relate to (Punk, Bryan, Kofi, Ziggler, AJ, etc). Now, the other half? I don't know. But in a Twitter and TMZ world, you'd figure there'd be more stories out there if these guys were really that bad.
Didn't Vince say something along the lines of being bitter at Ted Turner for trying to put him out of business when that wasn't the way he (Vince) dealt with his competition?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Cena should watch him some Wreck It Ralph: "Just because you are bad guy, does not mean you are...bad guy." Anyway, good call on that one.
ReplyDeleteAgreed!!
ReplyDeleteWhen it's ludicrous like this one, it remains funny. But many times it gets old.
ReplyDeleteI actually just found a new Hogan howler. In his book he claims that the atrocious song "Hulkamaniac in Heaven" was written for a British (that part's important) Make-a-Wish kid who died before he could see Hogan wrestle at Wembley Stadium, never mind that Hogan never wrestled at said stadium, and that proceeds from the accompanying album Hulk Rules went to the kid's family, who were having trouble paying his medical bills. Medical bills. Think about that for a minute, recall that the kid was British and realize that Hulk's even fuller of shit than you thought.
ReplyDeleteThe tricky thing with Nash is that he's so damn convincing when he speaks. Like I believed him when he put the blame on Goldberg for killing his push in 99 for punching the car window. Then you check the facts and can be all "Ah, bullshit."
ReplyDeleteI presume a lot of it has to do with the current legality. Personally I don't care much for pot, but as long as they're not showing up to wrestle under the influence, history says I'd much rather guys smoke a jay in their hotel room after a show then down a handful of Vicodin.
ReplyDeleteI think it's more like "We started the season 8-0 but then collapsed to finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs." It was definitely a success for a time, but it completely bottomed out at the end.
ReplyDeleteExcept it's not dumb or ludicrous to say that HHH isn't a great wrestler. Sure, Bret's comment that HHH never had a great match was just wrong, but saying that HHH isn't a great wrestler is a totally defensible position.
ReplyDeleteThis gets a bit into semantics, because we live in a hyperbolic world where anyone who directs a blockbuster movie that isn't drivel is a genius. Maybe by using 2013 American English HHH is a great wrestler. But the guy had one truly great year where he worked with other good to great wrestlers. And he's a had few high-points since then, mostly buoyed by the presence of a legitimately great wrestler in Shawn. But other than that, the vast majority of his work before and after 2000 has been largely pedestrian, plodding, and boring.
If that makes him a great wrestler, what does that make Bret or Shawn? Gods?
The best ones never are.
ReplyDeleteI think the most eye-rolling comment I've ever heard was when Hillbilly Jim tried to claim he "wasn't one of the all-time greats" in the ring. Come on Jimbo, there's modesty and then there's just flat out lying and insulting our intelligence.
ReplyDeleteBeard!!! Money!!!
"The best villains are the ones that believe they're right." Mick Foley.
ReplyDeletelol. George Carlin has a great sketch about this. Not Nash, specifically, but about people who exaggerate/lie in that manner.
ReplyDeleteAre we sure he actually believes this? Seemed like he might ahve been intentionally bating the dirtsheet commenters.
ReplyDeleteI could be completely wrong, but I believe they were all caught by the proper authorities, not WWE's internal testing. RVD for sure, I know that. He was caught on the highway by a state trooper right around the time he'd recently become the world champ.
ReplyDeleteJudging solely from shoots, I'd say that Charles Wright comes off as the least pretentious and down to earth guy of his generation. Total class act who is in tune with how limited he was as a worker, grateful for his success, and bears no delusions of grandeur or affectations.
ReplyDeleteHang on, what? Where was there a gimmick in there? He was just recalling behind-the-scenes comments or stories.
ReplyDeleteI think Vince just got tired of guys stopping him as he walked by the locker room to try and get him to "check out this amazing Phish bootleg because it's totally, like, the most mind blowing show ever." Also, the craft service bills were getting out of hand.
ReplyDeleteI, maybe stupidly, thought htere was some independent verification of the Foreman grill thing? Not true?
ReplyDeleteLast year in an interview Hogan said that he was offered the role of Randy the Ram in The Wrestler but he turned it down because they weren't offering him enough money and Mickey Rourke only got it after he said no.
ReplyDeleteYeah but the more squeaky clean the NFL gets, the more its popularity rises. It's the opposite with WWE. Honestly, I don't think it matters.
ReplyDeleteBam Bam Bigelow said a few times in interviews that the office was planning to put "the strap" on him during his first WWF run.
ReplyDeleteHulk Hogan: I was asked to join Metallica.
ReplyDeleteThat's very true, but Cena (the character) isn't a bad guy (as in a villain), no matter how many people dislike him.
ReplyDelete"Airport Championship Wrestling heavyweight champ" = gold.
ReplyDeleteand btw I think that the "video game generation" is a good thing. a few weeks ago someone mentioned that there must be dozens of users here who have seen a lot more wrestling than some of the workers. with the guys that you mentioned you can at least be sure they are into wrestling as well.
ReplyDeletePromising title reigns must have been part of negotiations back then because everyone's under the impression they were supposed to get a title reign that didn't happen...
ReplyDeleteIt was before my time but weren't the pushing Bam Bam strong in his first run? Maybe he's Hogan's pal, turns on him, wins the title, that old story?
I think his logic was something along the lines of Ted Turner is specifically trying to put Vince out of business, which is bad. But Vince putting everyone out of business wasn't his intent, it just sort of happened because he expanded into their territories and stole their talent.
ReplyDeleteAnytime a McMahon talks about politics, 9/11, or WWE's importance to the world.
ReplyDeleteanother one, even similar last name: Big Show.
ReplyDelete"and even if you get caught, we'll still give you that WrestleMania payday."
ReplyDeleteI think NFL is setting itself up for a huge backlash, and the lighter the rules get the weaker the product. They have done a masterful job marketing to women however.
ReplyDeleteHogan is the winner because I think Vince totally believes half the bullshit he says.
ReplyDeleteI want to clear the air right now: None of the Hollywood rumours linking me to Megan Fox, Jennifer Lawrence, Rebecca Romijn, Halle Berry, Famke Janssen, Olivia Wilde, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Kathy Bates, Rita Hayworth, Mick Jagger OR David Bowie are true.
ReplyDeleteThere are other ways to work your chest.
ReplyDeleteHe said Hunter doesn't make the top 1000. Which is just dumb as fuck.
ReplyDeleteJust fuck off.
ReplyDeleteI know it's not cool to speak ill of the dead, but Mike Graham (rest his soul) was a bullshitter of the highest order. I've forgotten quite a few of his lies, of this I'm certain, but he variously claimed;
ReplyDelete-Bringing Hogan into WCW was his idea
-Bringing Hall & Nash into WCW was his idea
-Monday Nitro was his idea
-The NWO was his idea
Seriously, you don't watch and haven't watched for years. All you do is come here and spout trite smark cliches and complain about other posters. Get a fucking life.
ReplyDeleteI disagree but I think it's mostly just a matter of opinion. The NFL has done a great job at making itself more mainstream and easier for the casual person to get hooked. It's almost like the Call of Duty of sports. Even the "real" fans that don't like the decreasing violence still watch because there's SO many people that watch now and it's become such a cultural thing that they don't want to be the person left out on Sunday gatherings even if they long for the pre-2000's era.
ReplyDeleteI think the backlash will only happen if/when someone dies on the field due to a collision. I wish they'd find a way to improve the helmets to the point where you didn't have to be so restrictive on the type of allowable hits but also didn't endanger the players.
Obviously you never saw Jim's legendary ring work in Japan, where he'd regularly break out Enziguiris, Shooting Star Presses, as well as his own patented Flying Tiger Jim Bomb.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that he threatened to slit Benoi'ts throat. I mean, who the hell just says something like that?
ReplyDeleteTito Santana saying that he was a choice to take the belt from Flair in late '92.
ReplyDeleteHey, for all I know it might be true. At this point it's really like a Boy Who Cried Wolf thing with Hulk, where if I hear him make a Forrest Gumpish "I was there, and I was almost the guy" claim I regard it as BS.
ReplyDeleteVince also said that Ted's foray into wrestling was a personal attack on him and his family since his business was family business, and therefore personal, so that can be worked in, too.
ReplyDeleteGraham was pretty obnoxious on both the early Legends Roundtables as well as the old Florida show they had on 24/7.
ReplyDeleteJust re-watched the HBK-Bret sit-down with Jim Ross the other day and was pretty convinced by Shawn's apparent sincerity and Bret's subtle pomposity -- Shawn basically copped to being an immature dickhead and seemed contrite -- And what struck me the most that Shawn didn't use the Born Again Christian bullshit as a crutch to prove that he's a better person now -- So many shitty people get "Born Again" or turn to organized religion but remain shitty -- And you can tell who they are because they all tell you and everybody else in earshot how Jesus saved them and/or that they go to church now like that excuses past behavior -- Shawn seems like he just matured over time and his faith is a resource in helping him accomplish his growth -- I'm an atheist but I can appreciate true faith, I'm actually a little bit envious of it in a way and Shawn seems to be what I consider a true man of faith (if that makes sense) -- His book reeked of insincerity -- It was like he was on the cusp of realizing what an asshole he was but was still too defensive to be the person he seemed to be in the video with Bret -- And Bret, such a bitter dude; it's unfortunate but totally understandable...
ReplyDeleteHe definitely got a big push at Survivor Series 1987, being the last eliminated on Hogan's team and coming back from 1-3 odds before losing to Andre. He definitely seemed planned for bigger things but then lost to One Man Gang in the WMIV title tournament and was gone soon after. Probably if Savage and then Warrior hadn't taken off the way they did Bam Bam would have been the #2 guy behind Hogan for the late 80s-early 90s. At least, that's what it felt like they were building to.
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of guys are told in passing that big things are planned for them or they'll be getting a title at some stage, sometimes just to placate them or justify jobbing (Bam Bam vs. Lawrence Taylor at WMXI for instance), or just a casual comment that they take too seriously. I would guess that Tito Santana in 1992 is another example of this.
Didn't Zbyszko write in his book that Flair wouldn't wrestle him because he was afraid of being overshadowed in the ring or some such nonsense? Imagine he and Flair doing the 60 minute TV match instead of Flair and Windham -- His 58 minute ring entrance/fan-baiting followed by two minutes of a resthold would have been pretty fucking overshadowing alright -- And didn't Dusty pretty much write that Vince Sr. pretty much asked him to stop Vince Jr.'s mad takeover plans but Dusty didn't realize it until it was too late because the Dream was just too darn humble to think he could have single-handedly stopped Vince but in hindsight he sure could have?
ReplyDeleteWhenever comments are made by WWE folk along the lines of "guys need to get noticed/create their own luck/get themselves over, that's how you make it to the top in the business", when there are really many factors that determine that, many of them outside the wrestler's control, and especially in an environment like WWE.
ReplyDeleteexcept that he left to film the movie in MAY. The fingerpoke of doom was the the beginning of January. He was looking for an excuse on why the dropped the ball and convinced himself of the false timeline of Goldberg getting hurt (which did happen in January of 2000)
ReplyDeletei think smarks are way beyond bashing someone for being a heel and still doing charity work
ReplyDeleteHogan was also a victim of his own shitty acting -- The Rock made it in Hollywood because he can act and uses at least a little bit of discretion in the roles he takes on and doesn't have to be the focus of EVERY movie he's in -- Hogan in Rocky II? Charismatic and engaging -- Hogan in just about everything else? Not so much -- Dwayne Johnson doesn't play a version of "The Rock" in all of the films he's in -- Terry Bollea doesn't have the ability to be anyone other than Hulk Hogan...
ReplyDeleteVince has said a lot of crazy stuff about Ted, expansion, and the monday night wars. To believe him he was just an innocent victim in his poor family business and just wanted everyone to succeed.
ReplyDeletebut still an opinion rather than factually incorrect like so much of the stuff this said (Bret included) by wrestlers. I don't agree with Bret's opinion on HHH but it ultimately is an opinion, not a bold-faced lie like Hogan claiming Andre died soon after WM3
ReplyDeleteyeah I like BIg show. Seems a like a humble, good guy
ReplyDeletebam bam was pushed strongly and I remember my friends and I loved the guy. I could have seen putting the strap on him. That said, I wouldn't discount any wrestler's claim of being promised a title shot, a main event spot, or even the belt because bookers and Vince constantly told them BS to get them to sign or to keep them happy for a few more months
ReplyDeletehe and Flair were the two worst on the Legends' shows.
ReplyDeleteWhat does Bret saying Triple H isn't a great wrestler have to do with dumb comments?
ReplyDeletewell many disagree with it so despite it being an opinion, it can be an opinion that induces eye rolling. Personally I have a lot more issues with the guys who flat out lie about provable facts like Hogan, Flair, HBK, Nash, Mike Graham (forgot about him until a poster mentioned him below), and Vince himself.
ReplyDeleteI come here to talk about wrestling when I watched. plenty of topics that I find interesting. Thank you for concern though.
ReplyDeleteYeah, everybody is just waiting for you to repeat your opinion on staircade 97 for the 5000th time. You are the most stale and repetitive poster on here.
ReplyDeleteWhat constitutes bullying in professional wrestling? Was Cena bullying those guys or using his role as a leader to tell some grown men to quit being a couple of entitled pussies? I'd like to know the true context of these stories -- You don't bully someone to "toughen them up" -- You bully someone because you're a shitty coward who preys on those you consider weaker because you can -- I've never really seen a bully have a goal...
ReplyDeleteYou can't play football at that level by not giving a shit about putting drugs in your body -- Each and every NFL player that has any kind of career beyond his rookie year knows exactly what goes into his body, for better or worse...
ReplyDeleteWeird how Vince never notices he had a bigger audience and more cultural relevance while still having competition.
ReplyDeleteSomebody needs a hug...
ReplyDeleteHe also seems like a terrible wrestler.
ReplyDeleteVince promised everybody title reigns.
ReplyDeleteWait.
ReplyDeletePushing retired workers over modern workers is bad.
But putting Trish in the match as opposed to Melina is good.
You're really going to blast HBK and Hogan for having shitty memories?
ReplyDeleteThey're ancient drug users who spent most of their life being hit in the head.
Yep. Pretty sure he kept his size from doing flys and push-ups -- Either that or he's kept his ego in his chest for the past 30 years...
ReplyDeleteDo men send other men flowers? Maybe if he said Vince called him from time to time but the flowers thing is just odd.
ReplyDeleteWhoa there--I assure you I am familiar with Jim's work in the land of the rising sun. I have the ultra-rare bootleg of Hillbilly Jim taking on Masa Saito in a 2 1/2 hour long "Escape from the Farm" death match, from which the 1-10 "Jim scale" was devised in terms of a wrestler working a match while covered in mud.
ReplyDeleteThey're also working without a set contract, so they have no idea how much they'll make or how long they'll have a job. A vague promise of a future title reign probably keeps them happy, thinking they have a long-term future....I could see Bam Bam being the type of guy Vince would go crazy for back then - big, agile, colorful guy.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I laughed at that one.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit, Hogan actually said that? That's hilarious. "You know they were trying to replace Cliff Burton, brother, but I gave my spot to Jason Newsted because I didn't want to let down my Hulkamaniacs, dude."
ReplyDeleteNot my personal feeling; Trish being added to the card didn't mean anything to me. No clue why they brought Trish in, and I for one wasn't sitting there thinking, "You know, Melina really should be in her spot." I didn't care either way.
ReplyDeleteBut a lot of people took issue with Morrison going on and on about it, b/c by that point he already clearly was Melina's whipping boy, so when he said it - and then kept bitching about it - all they saw was Morrison as Melina's lapdog, yapping away. It was more along the lines of "Oh, OF COURSE he's going to throw a shit fit" rather than "you know what, Melina is still part of the active roster: she should get the spot." But Melina was pretty much already in the doghouse anyway at that point for being a diva but not in the WWE sense, so I think that's why no one really had a problem with her not being there.
I don't think WWE minds if guys smoke a little pot. It's when guys are perma-high like London-Kendrick-RVD-Bourne that the company has an issue.
ReplyDeleteThis is very true. My girlfriend recently bought a Foreman grill....she thought it was just a brand name
ReplyDeleteI liked them both, but after watching their shoot I could see why London and Kendrick didn't get a big push. They had Benoit and Holly taking them under their wing, trying to get them focused, into the gym routine, Benoit praising them as the future of the business....and they wanted nothing to do with it.
ReplyDeleteHulk Hogan was originally offered the lead in Titanic.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but Bret Hart has had a LONG career and has probably met over a 1000 people he thought were better than Triple H.
ReplyDeleteEspecially when guys like Ryder, Bryan, etc. actually DO get themselves over in a unique way, the writers continue ignoring them or (in Ryder's case) actively de-pushing them out of spite
ReplyDeleteHeels do plenty of charity work, and I have yet to see anyone bitch about it. I don't remember anyone bitching about Punk visiting that shooting victim.
ReplyDeleteI was about to say, a George Carlin blurb about Kevin Nash would be like finding Fiji Water in the Sahara.
ReplyDeleteWas this the match where fans got to utilize the Muta Scale and the Jim Scale at the same time?
ReplyDeleteSee, now you've got it back. Bravo.
ReplyDelete''I have never taken steroids'' - Ken Kennedy, a few days before testing positive for steroids.
ReplyDeleteThe NFL is pretty damned far from "squeaky clean." They pay a LOT of attention to public relations issues, but they're still worlds behind MLB in their drug testing. The irony is that they pay all kinds of lip service to the concussion issue, while refusing to institute a drug policy with any teeth to it. There's no way that they're all dumb enough to not see the correlation between "bigger and stronger" and "absurd amount of head injuries." You take the drugs out of football, the concussions will go down. Of course, the on-field product would suffer, so don't hold your breath.
ReplyDeleteI bet he had it until he demanded that James Cameron change the ending to him going over the iceberg.
ReplyDeleteI don't care that he's dead, Mike Graham was an obnoxious douchebag. Being dead doesn't make him any more sympathetic. In an industry full of insecure assholes, Graham took the Napoleonic Complex to rare heights.
ReplyDeleteHHH '03-04 was more terrible than 00-01 HHH was good
ReplyDeleteNice points made in a hilarious manner. Needs more upvotes.
ReplyDeleteStill friggin awesome. Your stuff cracks me up every time. Where do you perform your stand up gigs?
ReplyDeleteWith all the other gimmick accounts out there, someone really needs to start a "Shit Hulk Hogan Says" Twitter.
ReplyDelete"Vince originally offered me the Fandango character but I didn't think the crowd would be able to copy my dance moves" #fandangoing
Astute observation delivered in a no-nonsense manner -- Upvotes warranted...
ReplyDeleteI still think it was an overreaction.
ReplyDeleteI also think that the "veteran" culture of wrestling is also stupid too, so whatever.
Know any angry drunks?
ReplyDeletePeople react to fame and drugs in different ways.
Since we're discussing Hillbilly Jim, I just have to post this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMCRCkmygA
Seriously, try to watch that without laughing hysterically.
I was looking through some old news I saved and I'm pretty sure Goldberg wrapped on filming his scenes for Universal Soldier by the end of January 1999.
ReplyDeleteHe actually did a few interviews from the film set in December 1998, just before Starrcade shortly after he started the project. They started post-production in Los Angeles in February, so it would seem Goldberg was totally free.... to watch Hogan feud with Flair.
Wish he would have done it.
ReplyDeleteYou know what the real moral of that story is? Don't tell the same lie twice.
ReplyDelete"Ric Flair wishes he could've been me but he couldn't" - Paul Roma in the Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen DVD
ReplyDeleteI'm a Dusty fan but I have to admit that's the first time I've seen the words "Dusty" and "humble" in the same paragraph.
ReplyDeleteI would bet that Cena is generally viewed as a 'player coach' type by those he works with because he's probably earned and accepted in that role -- I don't think you're really talking about bullying with Cena in the classic sense -- Sounds like he was administering a few attitude adjustments -- From what I've read about JBL and say, Bob Holly, I believe you're more on track there -- Who picks on Joey Styles or a Tough Enough kid? A bully -- Who tells an obnoxious, relatively less proven colleague to shut the fuck up and learn something? A team leader (Cena, Undertaker) -- Are the tactics roughly the same? Yep -- Are the situations totally different? -- I think so -- I could be way off in my assessment here but drawing on my experiences as a player and a coach I'm wagering that I'm not too far off...
ReplyDeleteWell, he did call the godawful 2006 version "entertaining", "exciting" and "extreme" on-air with a straight face so you've gotta question his credibility for that alone. I mean, you would never hear Al Michaels call a godawful Browns/Rams game a Super Bowl caliber matchup.
ReplyDeleteActually, yeah, that's pretty much it.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's about as far as you can go with this -- Like just about everybody else that's read your comment I have a fairly witty reply here but it'll remain in my twisted brain as well it should...
ReplyDeleteApparently Vince was in an airport bar waiting for his flight when he noticed football had been on for hours. When he was told it was actually an NFL Network he blew a gasket. He immediately fired the head of the Keeping up with the NFL division and ordered an ad to run on the following Raw announcing the new WWE Network, not realizing the work that would have to go into developing a network. When told that it took the NFL years to develop and launch a network, Vince pulled out his penis and said "but the NFL doesn't have a cock like this" and began waving it around.
ReplyDeleteI made that up, but I'm probably not far off.
It was how passionate and adamant he was about it that made it all the more satisfying.
ReplyDelete"How dare you suggest I, or any other wrestler, uses steroids? I've never!"
"Well, you just failed a drug test."
"Umm.....Kennedy!"
He was fired for refusing to cut his hair for the part.
ReplyDeleteIt also helped Hogan was on top during a boom period - it was all bitches, blow and bucks, brother. He's also delusional, which helps one deal with stress.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but if it wasn't Trish, would Melina have gotten the spot? I thought she was pretty much an afterthought by that point.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't make any sense he doesn't care what smarks think now. Why would he if he turned heel? Seems like a cop out answer to me.
ReplyDeleteThat I agree with.
ReplyDeleteCan we count tweeting? Because when Hogan reposted that "I went balls deep on Brooke" comment I almost has a stroke.
ReplyDeleteIt would be more challenging to ask "what did Hogan ever say that DIDN'T make you roll your eyes?"
Where Bret falls into this trap, IMO, is in his re-tellings of basically every backstage conflict he was ever involved in. He was always on the side of the angels. Always 100% selfless. But I'm a bigger fan of him than of Flair or Michaels, so whatever.
ReplyDeleteIt was not hard to see his humility come through in his book -- He pretty much beats the shit out of you with it...
ReplyDeleteTo me, Flair is the worst. You can't believe a thing he says post-WCW; plus, he's often extremely dismissive of talented wrestlers. Say what you will about Bret: he never called Flair a hack or a stuntman.
ReplyDeletei know it gets a bad rap but my source is wikipedia. Goldberg was in the January and February ppv. He did an injury angle in May after a quickie win over Nash that was not emphasized (flair/hogan was the big deal) at spring stampede and disappeared for two months.
ReplyDeleteKinda my point...
ReplyDeleteI ... didn't mind much of 2006 ECW. 2007 is a different story.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite is Vince's recollection of the phone call, which gets more outlandish with each DVD release.
ReplyDelete"So Turner calls me, and I can hear the sound of gunshots firing in the air in the background. 'Veeyunce,' he says. 'Ah'm gettin' in the WRASSLIN' BUSINESS! Yee haw!' So I calmly said, 'Good for you, Ted. Because I'm in ... the ENTERTAINMENT business.' He hung up in shame."
Holy Wow!!! I've never seen that before. That team looks awesome!
ReplyDeleteNumber one with a bullet. You said it perfect, bubba.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's not necessarily wrong -- just reporting back what I have personally. The movie could have gone for reshoots. He was definitely gone during that period, but now I'm wondering for what.
ReplyDeleteI did find some other info from an old PW Torch though -- here it is reprinted here:
Goldberg appeared on 1410 WING–AM on June
2 and talked about his current status with WCW. “I
hope (retirement) is not the case but it becomes a
reality. Without getting myself into trouble, it’s a part
of negotiating. First of all, my disgruntlement, the
onset of it was not brought about because of
contractual differences. It was something totally
different. It has to do with why I’m hobbling around
right now. You know, it’s part of all business. You
have to have your peaks and valleys in negotiations.
All I can say is I would like for them to open their
eyes and realize this doesn’t come around every day.
As I said in USA Today, I want nothing but to be
compensated in comparison to my worth in the
company … I hope everybody in the world hears
this. What I’m going through right now is no
reflection upon anything associated with greed or
anything like that. It’s just a reality. It’s not that I’m
turning my back like a baseball player making
millions of dollars and wanting millions and millions
more. It’s just a different story and I want everyone
to understand that.” His comments indicate his
dispute with management was instigated by his
ignored requests to be given time off to get his
injured knee fixed before it required major surgery.
Regarding his winning streak and the intrigue
associated with his rise to prominence, Goldberg
said: “The direction that I was headed was one that
had a lot of mystique associated with it. It could have
been ‘legendary.’ That chance comes only once in a
lifetime, especially for me and the wrestling
business. All I can say is good luck finding the next
guy.”
During his “WCW Live” interview, Bischoff
painted a different picture on Goldberg’s status:
“We’re not renegotiating, currently, with Bill
Goldberg. Again, there’s a lot of misinformation out
there regarding that. Bill Goldberg is in the first year
of a (three or four–year) deal that was renegotiated
about a year ago. Bill underwent knee surgery about
a week ago, as a matter of fact, and he’s rehabbing.
He’s anxious to get back into the ring.”
In either case though -- he was around and available for what should have been his big run at Hogan and company. It doesn't sound like shooting the film was a full-time kinda gig anyways, if he was doing it days before Starrcade and then again during the beginning of January.
Thanks JP. I'm still pretty new so I'm just doing open mics and small gigs around Wisconsin. I just got home from being crushed by silence at an open-mic that wound up being an all comedian audience. I pretended it was a Japanese wrestling show to make myself feel better.
ReplyDeleteI despise that argument against WCW. Saying it wasn't a success is as ridiculous as ignoring its failure.
ReplyDeleteThat's true, Bret's ex-wife Julie once confided in him that he was the bitterest cunt she's ever met, but he still deserved to be WWF Champion.
ReplyDeleteFlair's opinion depends on the signature on his check.
ReplyDeleteI did enjoy that after trashing TNA, Hogan and Bishoff for years, he ended up working in TNA, for Hogan and Bishoff. He even came out of retirement to go out a tour where he'd lose to Hogan every night.
Agreed, that makes no sense at all.
ReplyDeleteMaybe focusing on the ratings streak solely would make it a spurious argument in terms of judging success, but the NWO angle pretty much single-handedly revitalized pro-wrestling as an entertainment category for the broader public in 1997 in every important category. Ratings, gates, attendance, merchandise, and sponsorship all increased dramatically and the company made money for like the first or second time in it's existence. They did a few things that not even the WWF never did prior to that, even during their golden age as far as first day sales in many markets. I'm not sure by which lofty standard that wouldn't be considered a success.
I think what Hulk meant was that his family had to bribe the local council flat toughs not to beat up the ambulance drivers #EverythingIKnowAboutTheUKComesFromIrvineWelshNovelsAndTheOriginalVersionOfShamelessAlsoImDrunk
ReplyDeleteI don't think i'd ever cook if not for that goddamn thing.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they ever gave a shit about pot until RVD got busted. Now they're just afraid of looking bad. Its funny how anti-pot WWE is. Of all the boundaries they've pushed, all the pot referencing ones (Key, Rock making stoner jokes at RVD) have been squashed.
ReplyDeleteThat was me! Yay me! #Drunk
ReplyDeleteShame I live way too far away (in OKC for now). Since your humor easily translates in print, I can't imagine how funny it'd be in person.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note about your wrestling DVD bit on another topic: 1. Also funny. 2. The key is to win them over first before dropping the wrestling bomb on them and then take them to a live event. Once they love and respect your opinion or go to a live show, they like it. I converted the last two girlfriends. BUT with less Shawn Michaels and John Morrison eye candy around, it's tougher these days for women.
I sincerely disagree. I think Big Show has blossomed into a well rounded worker whoeputs the business first. The thing that handicaps his matches is that his opponents can't do most of their usual offense against him, because they can't lift him, so they're stuck trying to improvise. Hence why the matches with Sheamus were so good: Sheamus does mostly striking moves and he can lift Show up for the White Noise. If they booked Show vs. Brock i'd bet that, with both guys at their current workrate plus their histoey against each other, we'd see Shows first 5 star singles match.
ReplyDeleteAnd as I've pointed out, Metallica at that point were still a few years away from breaking out huge with Black Album, although they had a large underground following. Meanwhile Hulk was on top in wwf. In todays terms, that'd be like Cena leaving WWE to join Odd Future.
ReplyDeleteI remember that, and believe him. Bench is better for building bulk than toning, and Hulk always had more toned pecs than a huge barrel chest. Although I'm betting he did something for a flat bench, even if it was dumbells.
ReplyDeleteI don't care about how much he puts the business first.
ReplyDeleteI, on occasion, watch wrestling with non-fans. On those occasions, Big Show has wrestled, and they find him to be completely awful. He exposes the business with his sloppy moves and bores them with his glacial workrate.
Now, I know that we may have a more discerning eye, but shouldn't great wrestlers, or even alright wrestlers not make non-fans laugh in derision? These people weren't laughing at everything and everybody, they were laughing at Big Show. Because he's a fat sack of crap.
In his defense, I will say that Triple H was legitimized as a star and the top actively wrestling heel at the absolute peak of wrestling's popularity and mainstream acceptance. He had a one-and-a-half-year run (a year in hindsight is short, but at the time it's an eternity) where he could do no wrong, and it was cut short. Before that he had proven himself enough times one way or another, at the right moments, and afterwards it took him nearly two years to get back to the level he was at. If we're going to be fair, you said that in his prime he worked with good-to-great wrestlers. I could count on one hand the decent wrestlers he worked with during the nadir of his career, and when he did get to work with them it yielded positive results.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of earning snowflakes, the IWC and the BOD would agree that Bret Hart and Shawn were miracle workers. There's maybe eight other North American wrestlers who could do it on their level, ever. Does Triple H belong in their group? Not necessarily, but it's a really exclusive group.
Please never stop doing this. All I want to read from you is Bret bashing.
ReplyDeleteYou're so whipped.
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ReplyDeleteThis comment just got RAPED!!
ReplyDeleteI've met 1000 people less gay than Bret.
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Yeah, you're right. I just checked the results for SuperBrawl 9, and Goldberg was fighting Bam Bam.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I don't know if Nash or politics had anything to do with it. Because Flair did a double main event of PPVs, and if there was anyone who was screwed because of politics it was Flair.
I use to be such an ECW fan. Massive. So, when I heard they were bringing it back, I just about shit myself.
ReplyDeleteI remember making sure I had no plans the night that it aired. I had visions of the show taking place from the smaller venues, and basically looking just like ONS. Man, was I disappointed to find out that it was going to be filmed before Smackdown. Then....what? The zombie? Oh man. That first show as GOD AWFUL. I still watched for a while. But I was out before December to Dismember came around.
Honest to God, for the first half there I thought you were telling the truth. That's how stupid I believe Vince McMahon is.
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ReplyDeleteThere's no way HHH is better than "The Irish Wolfhound" Heely McNasty!!!
ReplyDeleteDid he fuck your mom or not give you an autograph?!
ReplyDeleteI mean shit... He's 500lbs. He isnt gonna be doing triple moonsaults.
He is limited but he knows how to work.
He aint the greatest, but he isnt Hardwork Bobby Walker or the one guy Bret made look like a million bucks.
he was too short.
ReplyDeleteBut the rumors from Hollywood dirtsheets linking you Betty Davis, Bea Arthur, Estelle Getty and Rue McClanahan as well as George Takei and Rip Torn are true...
ReplyDeleteThey're DAMN TRUE!
HIT IT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yQsPE7pzNo
Very well said, I felt like many of the others above of you were sort of blowing off 2000-2001. That was a great time to be a fan as smark expectations came together with sensible booking and a product was enjoyed by all. Triple H was the man during that period, something no one can ever take away.
ReplyDeleteIf JoMo's argument had just been that it was a high profile match and a current diva should have been in instead of Trish, it would have been fine. Kelly Kelly was the top face diva at the time, probably shoulda been her. But JoMo argued that it should have been Melina, who was nowhere at the time and a heel at that. Plus he acted like a patronizing dick to Trish, allegedly, which is kinda fucked considering what she's done in the business compared to him.
ReplyDeleteI met him last weekend though, he was pretty cool in person.
They were probably always stopping him to talk about how it should totally be legalized and its all natural and a plant and that god created it and its a lot better for you that alcohol or cigarettes or how you cant get addicted to it . . .
ReplyDeleteWell then you have obviously not read the Iron Sheik's tale of meeting Dusty Rhodes.
ReplyDeleteOh so this is a fairly recent interview. I always imagined it from like 02-03.
ReplyDeleteWhere do I find this?
ReplyDeleteYeah, scary huh?
ReplyDeleteThat wasn't a star. Though it did shoot.
ReplyDeleteExcept Bret said the same thing. I don't know how seriously Tito was considered but the closer you examine the story the less absurd it sounds.
ReplyDeleteWhat's with wrestlers and their childish need for "respect"?
ReplyDeleteMaybe you disagree and find Big Show matches entertaining, that's...whatever, I don't. You telling me he actually is entertaining does not in fact make him more entertaining.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't need backflips to make a match good, I need a worker who moves faster than the tectonic plates and doesn't throw awful, lazy, terrible punches.
But the man and his matches bore me and bore everybody I know. He can be carried, fuck, I've enjoyed his series with Sheamus. But Big Show, by himself, is a sloppy, uninteresting wrestler who drags other workers down around him.
And you're a wanker.
ReplyDeleteand thats fine he bores you (im not a fan either) but by the way you are complaining you would expect him to be either highspot monkey or chain wrestling and he aint gonna do neither.
ReplyDeleteHE IS 500 LBS. What are you expecting?
When he could move, he didnt know how to work.
Now he knows how to work, he cant move.
FFwd through his matches, piss and move on.
Saying he cant work cuz he moves slow and he is sloppy? He hasnt injured anyone of note but Brock to my knowledge and throughout the shoots Ive watched when he is brought up, all they take about is him being a pillow and safe as fuck.
Would you want someone 500lbs throwing live rounds at you?
THE FUCK?
The art of working is making it look real as possible without hurting your opponent. You want this 500lb monster fucking people up...
smh...
Good worked punches don't actually hurt.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Jericho or Vader. There's a middle ground.
And he dislocated Barrett's elbow.
Hey that's really offens... oh.
ReplyDeleteGood worked punches dont actually hurt... and you are basing this how many years you have been in the ring?
ReplyDeleteBut thats neither here nor there...
We are talking about 2 injuries (documented) that he has directly caused in almost 20 years of wrestling...
He aint sloppy.
Like i said, just ffwd through his matches and press on.
True, but he refused to go nude for the scene where Leo paints him.
ReplyDeleteWhat hair?
ReplyDeleteI remember Maxx Payne making a ton of comments that he basically inspired the whole Attitude Era by telling Vince what wrestling SHOULD be, and that he's responsible for Steve Austin because he convinced him that Skull t-shirts would be awesome and that swearing was cool. He came across like the most oblivious guy ever in terms of his place in the business.
ReplyDeleteMeaning by putting the biz first, he doesn't pull the "too big to bump" card. He sells for everyone, no matter how small, and he bumps and takes offense like everyone else. He's had a lot of good matches in the last few years. It took him a long time but he finally became a decent worker.
ReplyDeleteIn his defense, he throw Kofi on Barrett.
ReplyDeleteLeave Bret alone, it's not his fault that he dresses and looks like a middle aged lesbian.
ReplyDeleteSays the guy that complains about me and dynamic dave all the time.
ReplyDeleteso you're basing this on a "probably"?
ReplyDeleteHe looks like he is legit fucking people up, so you think he is...
but based on the testimony of good workers, many of whom said he is a very safe in the ring. Plus he has had 2 known injuries caused by him in nearly 20 years. One in 2002 and the other in the last 4 years.
it sounds to me like he can work. (if we are going by "making it look real as possible without hurting your opponent" rule)
His moves don't like they hurt. His punches are pathetic.
ReplyDeleteAnd he fucked up Kevin Nash on that busted powerbomb.
My concern was never with Show being dangerous, I said he's sloppy, his moves look bad.
I understand that I don't have to watch him, fuck I don't, but out of all the wrestling performances non-fans have seen (other than Khali...who doesn't count) Big Show's have been the most derided.
That counts for something.