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Feedback Feedbag: January 23 2002

Scott's Feedback Feedbag!

by Scott Keith

01/23/2002

(I guess I took 8 months off between the first and second edition…which…well, kinda does sound like me, actually.) 

For those who wonder why WCW went bankrupt, please bear in mind this brilliant piece of literature from a Bischoff apologist that I received tonight after the RAW rant. Further keep in mind that this was pretty much the nicest of the bunch, as one of them even called me a very bad word, which is not only rude, but anatomically impossible.

Somebody also named Scott writes...

"Just a comment regarding hiring Eric Bischoff as one of the worst things Vince McMahon could do. Ummm, Bischoff took WCW to number one for 2 years (yeah, it takes a real dumbass to do that)

If Bischoff is so stupid then why does the WWF need his idea to refresh their company? How do you answer that one, dipshit?

Oh, and could you try to get your rants out on time, for Christ's sake? For a guy who doesn't work a day job, that's pretty damn lazy of you to write it a day later." 

First of all, this guy is obviously a 411 reader, because I'd like to think that I've brainwa...er...convinced my readers at this website of Bischoff's evil ways enough over the years that I wouldn't need to stress it again. But for those not paying attention the first million times I went over this, let's go point by point...

1) "Ummm, Bischoff took WCW to number one for 2 years" Bischoff may have gotten WCW to #1 from 96-98, but don't forget that he was a solid #2 (in more ways than seven) from 93-96 and from 98 until his unceremonious CANNING in 1999. I mean, great, very good, he spent hundreds of millions of dollars of someone else's money, signed all the WWF's talent and surpassed them at a time when the business was down all around. And what happened once the WWF actually got wise to how to compete with that? WCW was put out of existence in TWO YEARS. Gone. I'd say putting an entire company on the road to destruction outweighs some good buyrates in a limited period, wouldn't you?

2) "If Bischoff is so stupid then why does the WWF need his idea to refresh their company? How do you answer that one, dipshit?" Okay, #1 nothing has been "refreshed" yet. #2, they already "stole" that idea and it was called the InVasion, and they fucked THAT up, too. #3, Bischoff's "idea" has been around for many years before Bischoff was even a coffee boy for Verne Gagne. And, by the way, legally speaking it's Vince's idea now -- he bought the nWo trademark when he bought WCW. But hey, maybe Uncle Eric can use his "idea" when he starts up his kickboxing league or Matrats or whatever the hell he's doing to keep off the streets these days.

3) "Oh, and could you try to get your rants out on time, for Christ's sake? For a guy who doesn't work a day job, that's pretty damn lazy of you to write it a day later." Wow, I don't work a day job? I wish someone would tell my work that so I could have more time to work on the book. This is indeed a revelation, thank you for letting me know. Here I was just showing up every morning for nothing.

In short, thank you for your very eloquent and well-thought-out letter. As you can see, I've treated it with exactly the respect it deserves. 

Next up, a word on Ozzy from Jesse Griffin...

"dude if its ozzy osbourne you speak of dont waste your money. i've been to a couple of ozzfests and its safe to say the guy is phoning it in.he reads the lyrics to songs he's been singing for like 30 yrs off of a monitor for christs sake.its just kind of sad actually.and when he talks(actually screeches) in person it makes ya wanna puke.besides he's like the biggest false icon rock has to offer. watch your vh1 and read up , the guy is totally the product of his wife.whatever.go look at my site www.synthetichope.cjb.net , hey man i read all your shit.adios-jesse"

Yeah, I know about Sharon's evil influence over him and I know the show is pretty shitty these days, but hey, I've never seen the guy live before so you've gotta live a little, right? Besides, it's OZZY. Sheesh.  (It ended up being quite an awesome show, although it was weird because parents were bringing their little kids thinking that cuddly TV Ozzy was the same guy doing crazy three-hour concerts.  Of note:  Finger Eleven opening JUST before they broke big with “One Thing”.) 

And on that note, unless another Bischoff-babboon writes me an insulting letter so I can use it as target practice, that's all I've got for tonight. 

Btw, caught That 80s Show. Tinsley Grimes is FUCKING HOT. I will watch religiously just for her.  (Well, I didn’t get much of a chance to watch because that show got cancelled almost right after I posted this.) 

Peace, out.

Comments

  1. For as much as the nWo angle boosted ratings and freshened up WCW's image for a time, it's still mind-boggling to think that one of the biggest angles in wrestling history basically produced NO new stars. I mean, none of the nWo mid-carders moved up, no one got over huge for defeating the nWo, and no new generation of guys came up in the "new image" of WCW. Sure, Goldberg had his day, but that was from beating Hogan, not from anything directly related to the nWo. And even THAT got fucked up.

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  2. Btw, caught That 80s Show. Tinsley Grimes is FUCKING HOT. I will watch religiously just for her.

    I went to high school with her. She was a few grades younger than me, but since our high school was incredibly small, everyone knew everyone (though of course she wouldn't remember me now). We also went to high school with John Green (author dude, Nerdfighters); he was a year younger than me. He might remember me.


    I should post yearbook pix! No, I wouldn't do that.



    John Badham (director, Wargames, Saturday Night Fever) also went to our high school back in the day. Wee.

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  3. Do you think it could be argued, though, that the nWo made even bigger stars out of Hall and Nash?


    I would argue that both Buff and Steiner benefited, though of course they weren't "new" stars. And it gave Virgil some extra borrowed time.


    And indirectly it made Waltman a bigger star for when he jumped back to WWF.

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  4. I had to googleTinsley Grimes and there's literally nothing special about her.

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  5. That's a good point- Lerxst argues several midcarders got an upgrade (which is true), but the group didn't add any rookies that then became huge- Buff is the closest overall thing, and he was at-best a midcarder.
    Though a lot of the point of the angle was to use pre-existing WWF guys as the "invading army", so it at least makes sense early on. Once they started adding dudes to the roster, though, they should have brought in one or two. However, that didn't jibe with Bischoff's "Only use guys if they were once major stars" thing, which he only subverted rarely.

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  6. DDP got over largely because of the nWo.


    Buff Bagwell got over huge at one point. Scott Steiner's Big Poppa Pump persona.


    Sting had the biggest moneymaking year of his career just sitting in the rafters and occasionally beating down nWo jobbers.


    Saying it produced no new stars is an overstatement.

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  7. Made bigger stars out of Hall, Nash, and X-Pac. Giant and Luger were never bigger than when they were feuding with them. It made DDP, Scott Steiner, and Buff. A resurgence for Curt Hennig. And it also launched some dude named Goldberg.

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  8. Caliber_VoorheesMay 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    I dug That 80's Show, as it had some genuinely funny shit going on.

    Also, I watched it for Chyler Leigh. In the world of hotness, she never got her due, and she was especially hot as the pseudo-punk girl.


    After that, it was Undeclared. Another fantastic show from Judd that was canceled because people are morons and would rather watch crap like HIMYM or Big Bang Theory than something worth while like Freaks & Geeks and Undeclared.

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  9. They added Konnan, and Bischoff wanted Jericho and Booker to join.

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  10. How I Met Your Mother and Big Bang Theory are two great shows. How I Met has certainly shown its age and the concept has gotten tired, but at its peak, it was probably one of the best sitcoms on the air, and has some untouchable episodes.

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  11. to me, "Freaks & Geeks" is the best "Coming-of-age"-series ever, even managing to do the unthinkable and surpass "The Wonder Years".

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  12. Freaks and Geeks was never going to last, especially in that Saturday timeslot. Remember, this was the days before DVR, and this was the last year NBC regularly broadcast original episodes on a Saturday.

    It also was incompatible with the other two shows on NBC's Saturday lineup (Profiler and Pretender) and I don't know if a show like that would've worked in any other time slot.

    Maybe Friday at 8 and move Providence back to 9 and cancel Dateline? Or replace Dateline Wednesday at 8 and move it there? Even then you still have a show for a niche audience that just was not going to work.

    People should just be happy that NBC gave it a full season and now there are DVDs for everyone to enjoy.

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  13. I'd argue that Scott Steiner was going to get over independent of the nWo - they basically threw so much stuff at him, gave him a manager, and he changed so much, that he had no choice but to get over.


    Ditto Goldberg, since he was squashing everyone in front of him, and really, the first real interaction he had with the nWo was the night he won the World title.


    Sting was more over than ever.
    Hogan's heel turn refreshed his character.
    DDP was HUGE when he turned down the nWo. That was important when it seemed that guys like Giant were defecting.
    Hall and Nash were more over than when they were in WWF (really, Nash was drawing crap as champ, and he goes to WCW and he's treated as a huge deal for years).


    I'm trying to remember the hottest angles of the past 30 years that really created stars - I see Hart/Austin, but what else?

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  14. Chyler Leigh as good in Not Another Teen Movie.


    "'Night, Dad."
    "G'night, Pumpkin Tits."

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  15. I couldn't disagree more with your opinion. To say those shows are "great" is such hyperbole, but hey, it's your opinion and whatever.

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  16. I've never seen any of F&G, and I imagine that if I ever do watch it, it will fall far short of expectations that have been established by its cult following.

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  17. I freaking HATED The Wonder Years. Seemed like pseudo-philosophical always depressing shit.


    And sorry, but Daniel Stern's voice got annoying.

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  18. All of this. Revisionist history has rewritten the whole angle as something that did nothing for anyone, and that's a shame. Cody Rhodes did a decent job of taking down nWo detractors on the newest documentary on it. "People that didn't watch at the time just don't understand how huge it was, and I think that's a real shame when people talk about it." (paraphrasing despite the quotes)

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  19. Nash was the one that approached Booker for it, according to Booker. He said it was cool, but he felt it made his character more unique to not be part of it. It worked out great for him, I think, and Stevie Ray was better as the nWo's designated JTTS anyway.

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  20. As great as WWF got around WM13 and afterwards, the nWo from its inception through most of 1997 (when Sting-Hogan really picked up steam) was must watch TV. Sure, sometimes things don't hold up looking back, but man was it a fun wild ride at the time.

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  21. Even small stuff like Nash lawn darting Rey gave him a huge boost to his career.

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  22. I went to two back-to-back Ozzfests, '05 and '06. Ozzy's contribution in '05 was via Black Sabbath, and they were AMAZING (that year also had Maiden, In Flames, Shadows, Killswitch Engage, and Arch Enemy).


    The following year was Ozzy solo (2nd stage) and he was pretty bad. Only concert I've ever been to in my life that I truly regret going to; bad all around memories from that time in my life, a lot of actually encapsulated with my cohort at that particular show.


    The main headliners were Disturbed and System of a Down, both of whom, like, suck and stuff. Dragonforce was there but not anything special, didn't get to see Strapping Young Lad on the 2nd stage, and while Lacuna Coil was there, I didn't know any of there stuff.


    Man, F that Ozzfest in the A!!!

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  23. Which is the same reason Jericho gave for not joining. Putting up and comers in the nWo is a pretty stupid idea. They just get lost in the shuffle and jobbed out.

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  24. System of the Down surely does not suck. You shut your whore mouth!

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  25. Maybe great is a bit hyperbolic, I agree, especially with how How I Met has aged and become very frustrating as a viewer.

    But at it's peak, How I Met was up there with any sitcom on the air, and they've produced some amazing episodes. The first few seasons are amazing, though the show can get eye rolling quickly. Ted is the worst character on the show.

    Hating on Big Bang Theory is the thing to do because it's a popular multi-camera sitcoms, and laugh tracks are icky to people. It's a misguided opinion, and one that's all too prevalent. I think it also offends the people Leonard and Sheldon portray.

    But Big Bang Theory deserves a lot of credit, for branching out beyond its original premise. Adding the two women to the show and making them core characters was a brilliant move, and allowed it to expand its universe. Melissa Rauch and Mayim Bialik were terrific.

    They've also tried to make the show more than LOL GEEKS particularly in the last half of the season, with Raj's relationship with Lucy and now him being able to talk to women (a tired concept for sure), and I loved the scene in the next to last episode with Sheldon and Amy in his bedroom, and am interested where that proceeds next year.

    They also dropped the will they or won't they with Leonard and Penny, and turned them into a committed TV relationship. So it's a show that knows it's audience, is funny and knows how to tell a story and should be commended for that.

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  26. The Wonder Years - as sappy and depressing as it got at times - will always get a free pass from me for introducing the world to Danica McKeller.


    Yes, I am a stereotype of a kid who grew up watching the Wonder Years. I'm OK with that.

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  27. I like Freaks a lot, but Undeclared is untouchable. Holy shit, I agree with Caliber on something.

    Freaks and Geeks fans can be kind of annoying, as are most fans of shows cancelled too soon. Shows get cancelled for a reason, it sucks.

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  28. The only things I find that don't hold up(I re-watch the old Nitros on Classics every week) are the Hogan and Bischoff promos. Everything else still works.


    The beatdowns are still awesome and even the feeling of hopelessness for WCW works.

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  29. I would never give an opinion on a show if I didn't watch at least 4-5 episodes. I got through the first season of TBBT before I gave up.

    You want great? It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

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  30. I don't like Serj's voice.

    Plus they sang some song that was talking about wang and stuff, and it was like, "Um, OK."

    Interesting article I saw today: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=190156

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  31. I love Serj's voice, very unique. I also love Daron Malakian's voice and the way it works as a higher pitch counter to Serj's darker tone.

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  32. I've seen basically every episode of both How I Met and Big Bang

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  33. I don't know what their target audience was. I am firmly a child of the '80's (child at the start, very young teen at the end), so I imagine I was part of their intended demographic, but I just couldn't stand it. Even in re-runs, I have to change the channel.


    And at the time I couldn't care less about Danica McKeller, though I can understand why people care about grown-up Winnie "the Pooh-per" Cooper.

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  34. GOTTA DISAGREE WITH YA HERE, BUD.

    HOGAN'S PROMOS ARE STILL AMAZING.

    YOU NEED TO SEE THE FIRST VIGNETTE THEY DID TOGETHER AS A TEAM. HE REMINDS ME SO MUCH OF DR. ROBOTNIK IN THAT VID.

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  35. I loved Freaks & Geeks when it was on but I refuse to watch it again for fear of it falling far short of my memories. It just seems like a product of its time, like the Ben Stiller Show. (Although I'd punch anyone's mother in their camel toe if they say a bad word about the Ben Stiller Show.)

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  36. METALLICA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

    NAPSTER BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

    I always associate that with Ben Stiller Show for some reason.

    Also, back when Janeane Garofalo was hot and not annoying.

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  37. I will never understand the infatuation people have for chicks that are just skin and bones.

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  38. It took me a long, long time to get over Serj's voice and enjoy SOAD.

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  39. The Ben Stiller Show still brings the goods. It's closer to timeless than product of its time even if there's plenty of topical humor. I could put on Fry & Laurie, Mr. Show, and Stiller and still be thoroughly entertained today. In Living Color, Kids in the Hall, and the State? More misses than hits as time goes on.

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  40. Serj's voice is so bad, dude. Like, I burst into laughter when I hear it.


    To each his own, but I cannot stand that band.

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  41. A misguided opinion? No. It's a stupidly written show with bad jokes and "smart" humor that equates to little more than references. Futurama, in its initial run, did what BBT has always tried to do -- spoof geek culture with genuinely smart jokes.

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  42. Yeah, I loved Bischoff and liked Hollywood as well in the promo department. That era just clicked for me.

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  43. Agreed. It could've worked if someone young had been put in the Hennig role later on, when injuries hampered him from being as a great as he used to be. Maybe someone like a Kanyon could've worked in that role, I dunno.

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  44. Always Sunny should've ended with Dayman the Musical or Lethal Weapon 5. It was darn near brilliant through the first 4 seasons. Instead, it's gotten meaner and more pointless by the year. I turned against it once they started turning against the fans on Twitter.

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  45. I would venture to say that your opinion is an opinion, too. Just saying.

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  46. Let's see... "We're going to start caggerize...cattergizing..catergorizing around here. Ric Flair--you're a stupid little man." Ooh, burn. Hogan would spend 10-15 minutes each week talking with no real point other than calling someone a "half a Hollywood Hogan wannabe" or some lame crap like that and then to finish off with catchphrases his other nWo members had come up with.



    Between his lack of content and his sloppy delivery (he would stammer when trying to come up with something cool and sound like he was spitting the whole time), the quality of Hogan's heel turn is tremendously overrated. I'm not necessarily talking about his value; just the quality.

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  47. Actually, Hogan's promo was so bad that they had to come up with that unique editing style to hide it. Unfortunately, you can't edit live promos.


    Fact is, Hogan is a terrible promo guy. Always has been, always will be.

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  48. One of my all time favorite movies. Good taste sir!

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  49. "Janie's got a gun..."


    "She's got a gun!!!"

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  50. "That's whack!"

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  51. My favorite little joke is the squeaky noise Reggie Ray made when anyone stepped on him. Also, the way they all stand uncomfortably at the end of the musical number; just a beat too long is what makes it funny.

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  52. I always think of the one dude playing the Molly Ringwald role in the Breakfast Club bit mouthing,"cut it out!" He nails it so perfectly.

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  53. I wasn't talking about hating Big Bang Theory as being a misguided opinion, I was saying that people who hate multi-cam sitcoms simply for having laugh tracks are misguided.

    Futurama and Big Bang Theory are two completely different shows with two completely different styles.

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  54. I've enjoyed Big Bang Theory, but I think it became a better show when they gave the women equal time.

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  55. 1. Who cares what they think of twitter, it's not like it's on the show.
    2. Season 7 was a misstep. Didn't work so well.
    3. Season 8 had some genius episodes (the psychiatrist vist for example).

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  56. Hogan was AWESOME when he was in front of a green screen and limited to 2-3 minutes. But live? Yikes, just terrible.

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  57. That was his charisma. Totally different thing from promo skills.

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  58. Always Sunny is funny, but great? Eh. It's just assholes being assholes. Funny assholes, but still.

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  59. You are a terrible human being, sir.

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  60. Depending on where it goes from here, The Shield. They could still bottom out on the push, but it's looking good for all three of 'em. It's not 100% out of nowhere, since 2/3 of them were over with the indie fans for a while already, but pick a random ass fan from the day before Survivor Series and ask about any Shield member and you'd likely get a blank stare. They're pretty solidly over now, so I'd say they're a current example of creating stars out of nowhere.

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  61. It's #1 job is to be funny and they accomplish that in spades.

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  62. I didn't even think that Winnie was the cutest girl Kevin ever hooked up with. imo Cara was (in: "The lake" and "Back to the lake").

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  63. getting over is not the same as producing new stars. Steiner and Sting were already stars. DDP and Bagwell were hardly new, although I DDP definitely went to a new level. bagwell? They had the opportunity to have a hugely over babyface and they threw it away so he could continue to be a mid-card heel when he turned on Rick Steiner.

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  64. I love Big Bang Theory. Loved Freaks and Geeks. Loved Undeclared. Never watched How I met your mother.

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  65. uggh. Futurama may be the most overrated show ever to air on TV

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  66. there is a large degree of "elitism" on the internet when talking about TV shows. Cable is better than network. Shows with middling ratings (sunny in Philly, Futurama, etc.) are better than popular shows.


    i just like what I like. I never got much from Futurama even though I loved the Simpsons. I enjoy stuff like Modern Family and Big Bang Theory and have no interest in watching Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Louie or some of the other cable darlings. they may be great and there certainly are "small" shows that I have enjoyed, but I have no agenda that big, popular shows on networks are always bad and little, "plucky" cable shows are better. I think too many internet posters have that view.


    It's all subjective. For the life of me I'll never understand how stuff like Mike and Molly gets good ratings. But for the life of me I also never got the hype for Arrested Development.

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  67. So does Big Bang Theory. Maybe not for you, but for many. But if you want to call Sunny a great show, simply being funny doesn't cut the mustard. Personally I wouldn't call either show great because both are lazy. Always Sunny just has the cast get in whacky hijinks and be as rude and as mean as possible, with most of the humor coming from how far they push the limit, while Big Bang uses typical sitcom plots and jokes but puts them in a nerdy covering.

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  68. It's this decades Seinfeld. Horrible characters having horrible things happen to them.

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  69. The reason that the "small" shows are seen as superior (beyond the fact that they're superior) is because the show runners have more creative freedom. Network TV is presented to loads more people, and thus it needs to be palatable to a larger audience. Cable TV is specialized.


    It's the difference between fast food and a restaurant.

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  70. Fucking right.


    SOAD was the only nu metal band of any quality.

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  71. You better bring it.

    Oh, it's already been brought-en.

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  72. I love that she is still super hot, incredibly smart and was the voice of M'gann on Young Justice... the first more so than the third.

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  73. The thing is, their sound doesn't even fit in with "Nu-Metal". They were this weird mix of metal fused with punk fused with Eastern European/Middle Eastern. To me, they were enthralling and a vastly underrated band.

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  74. But pushing the envelope and being mean, YET still being funny is unique. Big Bang is a cookie cutter sitcom and that's why it bored me.

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  75. As a fan from the 80's who had drifted away from wrestling for about five years (only very casually watching), the nWo was what completely sucked me back in. It was just such compelling TV- the idea of who was going to turn nWo next and who would finally get a win over them was must see-
    But, I don't think it holds up...so much of it was the shock factor as opposed to Austin Vs the Hart Foundation that was built on great mic and ring work, so it is more timeless feeling.
    But, still at the time, the nWo was just really enjoyable stuff and it cannot be understated how hot an angle it was.

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  76. I'd say...alternative metal, spiritual successors to Faith No More.


    Yeah, I mean...they weren't all good, but metal was in a dark age in the early oughts (in the states at least) and they were the only group producing quality records.

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  77. Breaking Bad is hardly an elitist show. It's one of the highest ranked cable shows (and sometimes wins its timeslot against network shows) as is Walking Dead. Cable is not for elitists anymore. I can see why Sunny doesn't get higher ratings, those people really are despicable, but they're funny despicable people who always get theirs in the end.

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  78. No way dude, such a smartly written show. I will admit, there aren't nearly as many laugh lout loud moments as "golden age" Simpsons, but who does? It is an insanely smart parody of all things sci-fi.

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  79. I never liked Wonder Years, Kevin always came off as a total prick and a crybaby. As a kid, I wanted to kick his punk ass.


    And I always thought Winnie Cooper was ugly, something about her eyes threw me off.

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  80. It's really not unique at all. Seinfeld, South Park, and Family Guy all did the exact same thing many years earlier. Though I like Always Sunny more than those three.

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  81. Think of how many sitcoms have been produced since 1990 alone, so yeah, Sunny is more "unique" than BBT.

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  82. Olivia D'Abo all the way.

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  83. YOU know what you're talking about.

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  84. I saw the original lineup of Black Sabbath (sans Bill Ward) a week or so ago.

    They killed. They sound amazing, and believe it or not, Ozzy sounds great on the old songs.

    Speaking of old school bands though, Motorhead two years ago is the best thing I've seen with my eyes, and I've seen some great tits.

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  85. Caliber_VoorheesMay 21, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    It's already started, McNeal. That's all it takes. You agree with me once, and before you know it, you realize you agree with me on everything.

    It's alright. Let the hate flow through you, and your journey to the darkside shall be complete.

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  86. Caliber_VoorheesMay 21, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    Normally a girl who's not built like Mickie James won't even get a second glance from me, as I don't find small asses & visible rib-cages sexy. But Chyler had something.

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  87. Caliber_VoorheesMay 21, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Dude, Neal, how on Earth do you remember the TV schedule from almost 15 years ago?

    The problem with F&G is really the problem with the networks. They have no patience. Nothing has a chance to grow. Seinfeld would never succeed today. I've never introduced F&G to anyone and had them not absolutely become enthralled with it. It deserved some prime Tuesday night slot.

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  88. Caliber_VoorheesMay 21, 2013 at 3:06 AM

    Kenny, Pratt, I can guarantee you that you can watch and it will exceed your expectations. Any memories you have of it will be enhanced because there's always more to catch the second & third time around. Brilliant stuff.

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  89. Caliber_VoorheesMay 21, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    I wouldn't call myself a Motorhead fan, but that's not to say I dislike them, I've just never got into their music. Although I do love all the wrestling themes they do.

    But have you ever seen the Lemmy doc? I've probably watched it 3 or 4 times, fantastic stuff. I love that movie. Lemmy is a real cool cat, and goes real far to show you how long you can live when you've got something you can live for, and enjoy.

    I will say the fact that any woman on Earth has sex with him is beyond me.

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  90. I'm an obsessed Motorhead completist and I listen to their 20+ studio albums on a fairly regular basis. They are not one of, but THE quintessential punk, metal and rock 'n roll band of all time.

    You know how when you like a band and you want to introduce them to a friend, and you go "okay, you have to listen to this first, it's the shit"? Motorhead has at least 12 of those. It's insane.

    On top of that, they're better live than they are in studio. No Sleep 'til Hammersmith and No Sleep At All (live albums) are probably better than the rest of their catalogue.

    And yes, the Lemmy documentary is great. His autobiography, White Line Fever, is unbelievable. It's basically the true tale of a rockstar who not only did all the drugs and booze and fucked all the girls there was to offer, but it never stopped him. He's a 67-year-old who's been 18 for 49 years.

    And yeah, he's forever a sex symbol. You can be an old man with fake teeth and not look anything like Brad Pitt to get the girls, you just have to be God Himself.

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  91. Wikipedia, and I also remember that Freaks and Geeks aired on Saturdays and that was the big outcry.

    I disagree on the second paragraph. Most of the time, if a show is low rated, it's going to remain low rated. For every Seinfeld and Cheers, there's a million critical darlings that don't work.

    Look at NBC, it decided to become the hip network with acclaimed comedies for a few years and somehow let 30 Rock limp along for 7 seasons. Community is going into its 5th season. Parks and Rec got a 6th season. How? And they are mired in 4th place, often losing to Univision. Critical acclaim is nice, but networks don't have the luxury.

    Looking at NBC Tuesday there really was no room. Just Shoot Me and 3rd Rock were still doing okay, and you had Will and Grace emerging at 9.

    I get bothered when networks simply don't give shows a chance. They gave Freaks and Geeks almost a whole season and it just didn't work. Just because a show is great doesn't mean people will watch it. It sucks.

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  92. Waking Dead is a big hit, but Breaking Bad has never cracked more than 3 million viewers

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  93. Caliber_VoorheesMay 21, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    That's true. I mean, Arrested Development is probably the most critically acclaimed sit-com of all time, and Fox was always about to drop the ax on it.

    So crazy that Lloyd from Undeclared is now uber-badass Jax Tellar on Sons of Anarchy.

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  94. Yea, and all the whining about Arrested Development was annoying too. I loved Arrested Development, but it's a show that was never going to build an audience due to its style and the fact that it's not a show you can sell in a 30-second promo.

    It deserved to be cancelled.

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  95. I still don't understand why NBC took a show that was meant for a teen/twenty-something demographic and moved it to a Saturday night. Just the kiss of death.

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  96. Arrested Development was, unfortunately, ahead of its time. I think if it aired now, it would be a huge success. Shows like The Office, Modern Family, 30 Rock, etc. have built on the non-traditional sitcom format and made it more mainstream, and all became ratings hits. Removing the laugh track, the more complex and (in my opinion) more intelligent wit and humor, plots and one-liners, and so on. I think if AD came out now it would have made it longer than 3 seasons.

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  97. You'd be mistaken.

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  98. A 1.3-1.5 rating in 18-49 demo is damn impressive. That beats a whole list of network shows and ranks it in the top 5 for the year in cable ratings.

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  99. 30 Rock was never a ratings hit. It lasted 7 years because NBC was in awful shape and needed all the buzz it could get.

    Arrested Development would only last if it was on a desperate network like NBC, or if it came along around 06-07 when NBC was stockpiling sitcoms that had critical acclaim.

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  100. I think NBC just didn't know what to do with it. I am surprised they even picked it up to be honest.

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  101. I was just looking at total viewers, not 18-49. I think networks have became way too reliant on that demo. NBC cancelled it's second most watched show (Harry's Law) because of it. Ridiculous.

    Breaking Bad is a hit show, but I think it's buzz outweighs it's ratings. I've never watched an episode so I cannot comment on quality.

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  102. Do yourself a favor and watch the first two episodes. They're on Netflix. I'd be shocked if you wouldn't want to continue.

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  103. I left a Motorhead show with ringing ears that didn't subside for about three days. Now that's a god damn show.

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  104. Every time I've seen Motorhead, it's been as part of a package deal (Maiden, Dio, Motorhead in '03, Metal Masters with Testament, Heaven and Hell, and Priest in '08). I'd love to see a proper 'head show.


    They played Rockstar or something last year I believe and they busted out both Bomber and I'm So Bad... would've loved to have heard those.


    Kinda surprised they don't play Iron Fist much, if at all.

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  105. Don't have Netflix. I like to start on the ground floor with shows anyway.


    My claim to fame is watching The Office, How I Met and Big Bang Theory since the pilots.

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  106. Wait, so you won't go back and watch a show if you didn't start off on episode 1? Even if you could download it and start with episode 1? Am I understanding you right?

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  107. Yes.


    I am old fashioned. I watch TV on the TV. (Though I have a DVR of course)

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  108. It's not convenience, I just love sitcoms. It's what I was raised on.

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  109. Ok, but imagine if you had never watched Cheers or Friends or whatever show you love. You're telling me that you wouldn't go back and watch them from episode 1 and I think that's lame.

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  110. I see your point, but I'm okay with that. I DVR almost every sitcom out there (on network TV), so it's hard to slip by the cracks. I freely admit I have questionable taste in television, though I know when sitcoms are fun dopey sitcoms (Malibu Country, Last Man Standing) and legitimately great TV (Office and How I Met at its peak)

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  111. I give up. I guess you'll never enjoy something like The Venture Brothers or It's Sunny since they're cable and you don't stream, rent or on demand. Anyways, good luck with that.

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  112. Yes, basically. Like I said, I watch a ton of TV and a ton of movies and a ton of sports. It's okay if shows other people like fall through the cracks and I don't see them.

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  113. Iron Fist has been the opener for their last album's tour.

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  114. I'm surprised it's not more of a staple. For some reason I consider it a distant cousin to Ace of Spades. Must be the chug-a-lug bass intro.

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  115. Absolutely. In the first phase of the nWo, it made sense to keep it only former WWF stars. Once they went down the road of adding WCW "defectors", nobody ended up being stars from it. The Scott Nortons of the world never fit to me. Brian Adams, Vincent/Virgil, Ray Trayler at LEAST made sense as former WWF guys. I guess you could argue Konnan & Bagwell became popular mid-card acts.

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  116. Fuck yes. I saw Motorhead, Slayer, Slipknot on the same show last year and Lemmy & co killed it

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  117. No matter what else Futurama did, the "Death...By Snoo-Snoo!" episode remains one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

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