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The SmarK RAW Rant–05.27.13

The SmarK RAW Rant – 05.27.13

Live from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, which is an odd place for a Memorial Day show given that it’s not a holiday up here. In fact, because Canada is Bizarroworld, it’s legal to kick a veteran on May 27 anywhere in Canada.

Your hosts are Michael Cole, JBL and Jerry Lawler

John Cena starts us out and talks about the CONTROVERSY coming out of Extreme Rules. The crowd is so into the storyline that they start a “We Want Bret” chant. So for some reason at the PPV, the ambulance match is now a Three Stages of Hell match, with a lumberjack match (EXTREME!!!!), a tables match and then the ambulance match. This brings out Ryback, who is apparently now Satan. Even the Lord of Darkness would be doing 50/50 jobs in this company. And then we get Paul Heyman and future Hall of Famer Curtis Axel. Heyman wants Cena v. Axel tonight.

Alberto Del Rio v. Big E Langston

We get our first TABER CORN sign of the night. The stakes are high here: According to Cole, the winner here could go a long way towards determining who is in the spot of #1 contender sometime in the future. Better call your friends and neighbors! Del Rio hits a suicide dive, but Big E drops him on the stairs and goes to bearhug. Three backbreakers get two. Langston misses the blind charge and hits the post, allowing Del Rio to come back with a superkick for two. Cole notes how it’s interesting that Canadians are chanting “Si”, but it just means that someone asked the crowd a negatively phrased question that requires a positive response in French. That could happen at this show. Del Rio goes for the armbar and can’t hook it, so AJ tries for the distraction and that results in Del Rio rolling up Big E for the pin at 4:18. My favorite finish, I see. This was OK, but obviously they’re treading water until Dolph can come back. *1/2

Meanwhile, Kane thinks Bryan is a little obsessed with the weak link thing. However, Bret Hart is there to broker a peace and put Bryan over. Bryan acts like a little kid meeting his hero, which probably isn’t far from the truth.

US title: Dean Ambrose v. Kofi Kingston

Kofi gets a couple of rollups and tries the kick off a criss-cross, but Ambrose bails to escape. That was a great sequence. Ambrose bails and we take ANOTHER break, after already taking one before Kofi’s intro. Back with Ambrose holding a chinlock and dropping an elbow on Kofi for two. Kofi gets a rollup out of the corner for two and a bodypress for two. Kofi comes back with a sunset flip for two, which leads to an SOS for two. Kofi springboards in with a clothesline for two, but Ambrose trips him on the apron and takes him into the stairs. Back in, the BULLDOG DRIVER finishes at 9:34. Good, but now Ambrose needs to move onto guys who matter. *** And then this leads right into…

WWE tag titles: The Shield v. Daniel Bryan & Kane

But of course, a commercial break first. Because even anarchy has to fit within the rigidly formatted TV show. So we’re joined in progress with Bryan kicking Rollins down before Kane tags himself in as the voice of reason. Powerslam gets two, and they pull out a HART ATTACK on Rollins for two. This only gets Bryan over as an even bigger babyface in Calgary. Rollins escapes a chokeslam and hits an enzuigiri on Kane, which brings Reigns in for two. Kane reverses a suplex on Rollins, but Reigns comes in with a chinlock and a powerslam for two. Kane escapes another chinlock and makes the hot tag to Bryan, and he DESTROYS Rollins with a german suplex and dropkick for two. The kicks gets two. To the top, but Rollins brings him down, so Bryan hangs Rollins in the Tree of Woe and kicks the shit out of him again. Into a top rope backdrop suplex, and we take a break. Back with Bryan throwing kicks on Reigns, but he walks into a clothesline for two. So yeah, we’re doing Extended Rock N Roll Express Formula tonight. Rollins comes in with a suplex for two that sets up a surfboard hold, but Bryan powers out of it I a unique counter, forcing Rollins to beat him down again. Reigns comes in with a shoulderblock for two. Rollins comes in and notes that they’re the champions now, not Bryan. Well, his smack talk isn’t factually inaccurate. Rollins then takes Bryan into the corner with a downward spiral for two. That’s pretty awesome. Bryan fights back on Reigns and finally it’s hot tag Kane, who hits Rollins with a pair of corner clotheslines and a backdrop. Sideslam gets two. Bryan comes in with missile dropkick to put Reigns on the floor, and he follows with a suicide dive. Kane boots Rollins down and goes up, but stops to bitch at Bryan. Hey, Bryan is dealing with Reigns, cut him some slack! And while Kane whines, Rollins comes in with the flying knee to retain at 19:02. I’m with Bryan on that one, he had the Shield split up and Kane should have finished Rollins while it was one-on-one. But this was pretty awesome, and I’m like Joey with a big jar of jam if you give me a good long tag match to watch. ***1/2

Wade Barrett v. Fandango

Via the app, MIz gets to be guest referee. Fandango throws chops and kicks him down for two, but Barrett pounds away in the ropes, forcing Miz to step in with the Skull Crushing Finale and count the pin for Fandango at 1:45. Yeah. DUD Note to future WWE Superstars: If someone offers you the Intercontinental title, JUST SAY NO.

Meanwhile, Shawn Michaels and his giant beard try to offer advice to John Cena, but he’s not listening.

Tensai, Brodus Clay & Great Khali v. 3MB

The band takes a beating from Khali, but Tensai comes in and gets booted down by Drew. It’s quickly hot tag Clay and he tosses Slater around and powerslams him for two. Khali chops Slater down and Clay splashes him for the pin at 3:00. So yeah, this happened. DUD And then we get Great Khali singing Happy Birthday to Nattie. This also happened.

Highlight Reel: Chris Jericho brings out Paul Heyman, and Heyman takes credit for discovering and developing Jericho, but Jericho wants to talk about CM Punk instead. Heyman deflects the conversation to his suit and goes off on a rant, managing to slip in a shot at Bret to be an even bigger heel. An announcement will forthcoming in the next few weeks, as Heyman goes right back into weasel sports agent mode, but Jericho issues a challenge to Punk for Payback and threatens to call himself the Best in the World, and Heyman is freaking about that. Finally Jericho goads Heyman into accepting the match on his behalf. Jericho and Heyman should just have a 30 minute segment every week to do whatever they want.

The Bella Twins v. Kaitlyn & Natalya

Kaitlyn now wearing a more standard set of Divas gear, perhaps in an attempt to better highlight her boobs. If so, I approve. Kaitlyn gets double-teamed in the Bella corner, but quickly brings Nat in for a Sharpshooter on Brie. Nikki comes in to break it up, but Kaitlyn accidentally spears Nattie and Brie pins her at 3:42. So yes, Natalya does the job, in her hometown, on her BIRTHDAY. DUD

BRAY WYATT is coming. Fuck yeah he is! This guy is gonna be MONEY. Like, they should have had him on the main roster months ago.

Sheamus & Randy Orton v. The Rhodes Scholars

Orton overpowers Cody and gets two, and Sheamus slingshots in with a shoulder for two. Powerslam gets two on Sandow, and Orton slugs away in the corner. This thing grinds to a boring halt as the announcers are so bored that they’re making fun of Cody’s fake tan while Sheamus gets the “heat”. And we take a break and return with Rhodes chinlocking Sheamus to really amp things up. No wonder I tune out of these shows by this point. Hot tag Orton and he destroys Sandow with the usual, but gets run into the post outside. Back in, that gets two for Sandow and yes, THIS MATCH IS STILL GOING. If you ever need an argument for cutting this show back to two hours, this is it. So now Orton gets beat up by the heels until he collides with Rhodes for the double KO, and it’s hot tag Sheamus. He walks into a disaster kick, however, and Sandow gets two. Orton gets rid of Cody and Sheamus hits Sandow with White Noise and finishes with the Brogue at 16:06. This did NOT need that long, to say the least. **

John Cena v. Curtis Axel

Cena hiptosses Axel and he bails for advice from Heyman as we take a break. Back with Axel sending Cena into the stairs and whipping him into the corner. Snap suplex gets two as a fight breaks out to distract the crowd. Axel goes to an extended armbar while the guy gets carted off, and I mean EXTENDED. Cena makes his comeback, but Axel escapes the FU and dropkicks him for two. Axel goes to the middle and misses an elbow, and Cena slams him for two. Axel with a necksnap for two. The AXELPLEX gets two. He misses a blind charge and this brings out Ryback in an ambulance. Cena just walks away from the match at 12:48, because he’s so worried about Ryback. Wow, that really puts Axel over as a major player, forgotten while Cena and Ryback die a million deaths with this feud. Why even bother with the match if that’s the finish you wanted? *1/2

The Pulse

Not a bad show, but just a bunch of stuff and random rematches that meant absolutely nothing, thrown out there literally to fill three hours and put me to sleep.

Comments

  1. kbwrestlingreviewsMay 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    I'm a big fan of Sheamus, but if I ever see him and/or Orton beat up Rhodes and/or Sandow again it'll be too soon. Isn't there anyone else those two can fight?

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  2. The IC Title segment was horrendous.

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  3. "Jericho and Heyman should just have a 30 minute segment every week to do whatever they want."



    I have the first topic already: Who is more EVIL: Vince (Heyman) or Hunter (Jericho). Special guests include Punk, RVD, Stone Cold, and Bret Hart. And for this show only, they'll get 45 minutes.

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  4. Luke Harper, of the Wyatt family, is pretty damn good in his own right. Check out his Chikara work as Brodie Lee.

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  5. Yeah, it's happening. It happened last year, too. It was cool and all, but I'm not exactly excited for the sequel since it didn't really set the world on fire back then either.

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  6. "The stakes are high here: According to Cole, the winner here could go a long way towards determining who is in the spot of #1 contender sometime in the future."

    This is why I still wish Gorilla Monsoon was around to proclaim that the WWE Championship Committee would be watching the match to decide if these guys were in line for a title shot.

    You know, if they're serious about Axel and wanted to put the IC title on someone else, they could have had him win it tonight as a face. Bret & Triple H could have both come out and put over how Axel's father played a role in both their first IC wins and the careers that it led to for them. Of course that would have required Bret & Triple H to get along...

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  7. You know, why don't they have Jericho as Heyman's new guy? That would make a HELL of a lot more sense. Especially since there is a good amount of material they have to work with towards having Jericho point out that Heyman needs Jericho to make up for his failures with Punk and Brock.


    Then again, these are the same fucktards who have Punk and Brock existing on parallel earths and who are utterly refusing to force Brock sacrifice his last remaining dab of credibility to get Curtis Axel over, something they should be doing since, if they are not going to protect Brock, might as well tell Brock to fucking sacrifice his rep and image as a bad-ass getting Axel over in terms of Brock being washed up and expendable while Axel is the wave of the future.....

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  8. I think the heel/face role reversal will make for a better match than last year's series.

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  9. Yeah, you're probably right. I must admit though that Jericho gives me douche chills sometimes with his promos. Some of last night's stuff was Cena-like pandering. That's not even really a new criticism of the guy, so I will just shut up about it now.

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  10. But, HHH...he said...yeah, I know.

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  11. I upgraded this for the Schrodinger's cat reference, then accidentally downgraded it. Somehow I find that apt.

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  12. If you're going to throw guys together for no reason, at least get a ****+ match out of it.

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  13. It's not exactly like Jericho would be a heel.

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  14. Isn't he 3-0? Triple H, Cena and Sin Cara on Smackdown, right?

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  15. Bryan and Rollins had an excellent series of matches in ROH on the HDNET show.

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  16. WWE creative can't count to 3. I forgot all about the Smackdown match. I guess there not counting HHH.

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  17. Don't be so sure it's happening. I'm sure he'll be on the show but I'm not sure he'll actually be in the match.

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  18. Also loved it, but these guys will be duck dynasty ripoffs in no time. WWE cannot do complex characters.

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  19. I have the under on a slop bucket making an appearance at 1 month.

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  20. I wonder what they'll do with Punk. Will Heyman accidentally cost him the bout and Punk will kick him in the head sparking a Punk/Lesnar feud?

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  21. Is he supposed to be like Waylon Mercy?

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  22. I smoked a "refernece" once.

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  23. F--k releasing guys.. they need MORE guys!! We need jobbers, managers and some light heavyweights wouldn't hurt. Why is there a shitload of people in the company, but we see the same 20 people wrestle each other every g-damn week?

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  24. So if I'm reading this correctly before I think you cut yourself off or trailed off or whatnot; John Cena was born from the coupling of Bret Hart with the combination of Shawn Michaels and Triple H where they had sex for the reasons of only pure malice, and in doing so they somehow created the devil? But that's only based on hypothesis.
    In turn all of this will hence forth be ignored while Bret Hart is giving oral sex to John Cena, who based on hypothesis, is Bret Hart's son but also the devil as well?

    Russo isn't writing for the company anymore, right?

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  25. He appeared to be some sort of cult leader.

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  26. He's his own grandpa.

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  27. Wyatt and his followers could be a horror movie franchise. It would be awesomely creepy if fans started buying and wearing those lamb masks. I will be absolutely crestfallen if Brodie Lee gets turned into The Shockmaster while Bray's gimmick goes the way of his Uncle Stalker.

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  28. Could somebody refresh my memory how Taber Corn became a wrestling reference/audience meme/thing? I know I've seen it referenced before (and I lived in Alberta for years, so I know what it literally is), but I forget how it became something more.

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  29. I like Sheamus' solo matches with Sandow, because Sandow actually gets offense. But either have Dame pin Sheamus or stop having them...ever.

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  30. Punk will never be heel again. They've literally had him do everything possible for cheap heat, his career as a heel is over.

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  31. It's awesome how Ambrose and Kofi had a rematch of their rematch of their US title match from Extreme Rules already, and it has only been a week!

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  32. Bray Wyatt? Are they fucking serious with these names?

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  33. Can we please have Curtis Axel, Bray Wyatt, & Bo Dallas team up and say "fuck all of you, we are Rotundas & Hennigs" as some sort of "Fuck WWE and your homogenization" semi-shoot angle?

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  34. Dougster, I think you need to start posting that after every Jesse Baker post. Jesse's insane rambling about John Cena being the devil, Bret and Shawn being demon spawn....whatever the hell he's rambling on about, speaks for itself.
    I've seen David Lynch movies that made more sense than Jesse Baker's hate filled anti-Cena rants.

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  35. Bray Wyatt and Curtis Axel are at least much better names than Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty, so they're learning. They're slowly getting better with these random names.

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  36. Must be the same people who created the world famous Sid Vicious "undefeated" streak of 1999.

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  37. Sure.


    When they sign with TNA.

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  38. They had a fantastic match on RAW earlier this year with their current heel/face personas so we should be very optimistic about this match.
    If it does happen, it will be the Match Of The Night by a mile.

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  39. Christopher HirschMay 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Someone's been reading Mr. Brandon Stroud's Best and Worst

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  40. http://deadspin.com/nobodys-interested-in-watching-john-cena-wrestle-anymo-510059036

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  41. I think your both wrong. They need to be using more of the guys they have. Christian and T-Truth should be on the show doing jobs like Tito Santana and Koko Ware did in the old days. There are others, too.... Santino, Zach Ryder, the 3MB guys.

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  42. Justin Gabriel, Sin Cara, the other Mexican who was Sin Cara for a while, Axel Riley..... You could mix those ten guys in against the midcard for competitive matches and at least the cards would feel fresher.

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  43. Next week, he faces Randy Orton. Orton beats the crap out of him outside the ring, but is distracted by some hot chick at ringside. While he's busy trying to get her cell number, Heyman rolls Axel's defeated corpse into the ring just before the ten count. Orton seals the deal, turns around and shrugs his shoulders, walking to the back to smoke a bowl.

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  44. They kept referring on the show to his win against HHH last week. I guess a ref stoppage is as good as a win.

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  45. They need to give Curt Axel the IC belt yesterday and have him go over the entire midcard clean as a sheet in title defenses on Raw and Smackdown until the title is as over as it was in 1991.

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  46. What the fuck is wrong with Bray Wyatt?

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  47. So the only reason to watch, the Bret hart tribute, wasn't even on the broadcast?????

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  48. How does shitilly throwing together matches and whatnot not constitute being a bad show?

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  49. Yeah.......each other.

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  50. I think Lawler said it all near the end of RAW when it comes to the Curtis Axel experiment: "We all forgot about Curtis Axel." Indeed.

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  51. Just read this, sorry for the threadjack but holy shit, this is a sick turn of events:

    http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/31514-former-80s-awa-star-arrested-updated

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  52. Whatever did happen to Hunico and Camacho? Did they decline a Triple H workout invitation like Antonio Cesaro recently did?
    Just noticed Cesaro hasn't been on TV in 2 weeks...hmmm, I wonder why?

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  53. And that downvoter must be on Kevin Nash's payroll.

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  54. I don't get it either. Even when Nitro was 3 hours, you never saw the same 20 guys over and over again with the same matches being repeated more than Starz's showings of the latest shitty Sony movie.
    You would get NWO, Goldberg, DDP, Sting, Raven, the usual great mid-carders, cruiserweights and totally random guys like Disorderly Conduct, Erik Watts, High Voltage, Scott Putski, Glacier, Jerry Flynn and several others making appearences.
    Really, they should be adding to each show an NXT tryout match involving either two women, two wrestlers or two tag teams but the point is two NXT standouts who are hoping to get a spot on the main roster.
    Simple, put them in a match and give them a chance to impress. If they do well, then you have one or two new additions to the main roster. If they have a horrible match, then they're never seen again, no harm no foul.
    They should also add a redemption match involving two guys on the main roster who haven't been used at all lately [like for example, Alex Riley vs. Hunico]. Again, if the match is good, then you've got some more guys to put on TV and if the match is horrible, then at least they would have a justifiable excuse to fire them.
    A total win-win situation for everybody.

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  55. Camacho's floating around NXT. Hunico's still under contract, as far as I know, but like Ted DiBiase Jr. and Ezekiel Jackson, he's doing a whole lot of nothing and collecting a paycheck as he sits at home. But hey, if WWE wants to pay guys to sit at home and use their secondary champions as enhancement talent, that's their prerogative.

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  56. The feud is based on Punk taking his ball and going home, which would be fine and all, if anyone OTHER THAN CHRIS JERICHO was the guy calling him out on it.


    Still, at least the match should be entertaining.

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  57. I have no idea what they do with the Wyatt Family right now, because their gimmick is so great and they have "push to the moon and give them the tag titles" written all over them...except that slot is currently taken.

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  58. I watched like 1 minute of the Rhodes Scholars vs Orton/Sheamus match. There's just no point to it, everybody knows that the Scholars are gonna lose. They're the Antonio Cesaro of tag teams.

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  59. You spelled "hot guy" incorrectly.

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  60. "So yes, Natalya does the job, in her hometown, on her BIRTHDAY."


    Pfftt, that's nothing. Vince made Cena wrestle for 52 minutes against Shawn Michaels on his. :p

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  61. Punk will spend the majority of the rest of his career as a heel, because he seems to prefer it, and he's better at being a heel than he is a face. WE may cheer him and show him our appreciation, but that doesn't make him a white hat. Honestly, it probably means there is something wrong with us...

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  62. Orton will beat him up in the corner until the ref stops the match. Orton will be so pissed at this he'll continue abusing Curtis until he's suspended. Curtis will take credit for putting 2 former world champs out of commission.

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  63. About a month ago, a friend of mine and I had this idea for a wrestler who initially only wins his matches by count-out, but by chance -- so devoid of heat. After a while his goal is to only win by count-out, and eventually he becomes WWE Champion when, by chance, the title is put on the line and can be lost by DQ or count-out. Like John Cena, he's a cookie cutter face who the fans want dead.

    He looks like a default create-a-wrestler. He's booked like a face despite having no likable attributes. His finisher (aside from throwing wrestlers outside) is the Abdominal Stretch. His name should have no resonance whatsoever (my friend said 'Ken Fresno', I said 'Timothy Slepman' and the announcers try to get him over with the nickname, 'The Slepster'). If he has a valet, it's his wife who looks like a mousey librarian and he does nothing but look sheepish. The only time he's really energetic is when he counts along with the referee ("ONE! TWO! THREE! He's gonna get counted out, baby! FOUR!"). His theme song is by Harry Chapin.

    Now just think: Curtis is on his way to being THAT.

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  64. Next week, Axel faces Ryback, and wins via countout when Ryback steps into the "Roadrunner catapult" that Cena planted into the ring....and gets launched into Lake Superior.


    Axel, meet the Honky Tonk Man.

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  65. Look's like a certain someone is overcoming the odds in a 3 on 1 handicap match this summer!

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  66. I AM Brandon Stroud... is what I would be saying if I was him. I'm not though

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  67. AverageJoeEverymanMay 29, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    I was trying to think up awful names for him so for the first name I got Blacky cause of blackjack and it would put off a bunch of the audience then last name Taxform. So Blacky Taxform will be arriving shortly.

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  68. ROCK AND ROLL!

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  69. THREADJACK!~


    Kofi Kingston is a 10-time former champion in WWE. Does that give him the right to host Saturday Night Live sometime?

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  70. You forgot to drop the mic and walk away.

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  71. Nothing. Go ahead and name your first born that.

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  72. Nah. Typical WWE would have them fight for about five minutes before Reigns and Rollins jumped them both. Teddy Long would shout "Now hold on playa!" before turning it into a match for the tag team titles, which Punk and Jericho would win, beginning a six month reign as Wacky Tag Champs Who Just Can't Get Along.

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  73. haha. Disorderly Conduct. "Mean Mike" and "Tough Tom". Job-tastic team for the ages.

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  74. Doctor FunkopolisMay 29, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    So Ryback is John Cena?

    Holy crap, Ryback is John Cena!

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  75. Doctor FunkopolisMay 29, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Hush up. Jericho has never taken his ball and gone home.

    He takes his ball and goes on tour. Totally different thing.

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  76. Thread jack again:

    http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/showbiz/2013/05/29/sbt-hulk-hogan-weatherman.cnn

    I think this could work for him, weathermen are prone to exaggeration anyway!

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  77. Or just give us Orton/Sheamus vs. Rhodes Scholars, Barrett vs. Miz, and Kofi vs. Dolph.

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  78. Kofi as a 10 time former champion is. . . .mind-blowing.

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  79. Bray Watt is easier to say.

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  80. I too enjoy when Cole commentates.

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  81. Good thing my last name is Wyatt!

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  82. Did he? Thanks to television, I can't remember what happened eight minutes ago let alone the beginning of Raw.

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  83. I think I preferred when they were slightly changing real athletes' names (Bam McNeely, Kenny Dykstra). Say- how bout Buck La Belle and Chico Cortese, or is modern-day UFC still 10 years off Vince's radar?

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  84. I really would love it if they had a guy win two straight falls in the Three Stages match and the ambulance just drove off.

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  85. It works though. Though it would help to have a third stable of faces. With nine guys you could have a million different matchups leading to next years WM. You have the Shield guys as a the Chaotic Neutral team. Fighting whoever for no real reasons other than "Justice". An anarchistic trio who doesn't care which side you're on.
    You have Bray and crew as Lawful Evil team. A true heel team however don't allow them to play the typical slimy heel. Heels for the sake of heels.
    That leaves room for a Face team. Neutral Good. They only fight heels, but can do some heelish things to win. Stone Cold for reference. That could your Heyman Guys team. Axel, Punk and Brock. Or if you want, Punk, Kofi and Axel. They could be faces in no time flat even with Heyman behind them.

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  86. Orton fits the Neutral Good side like a glove, so this slot could go to the Celtic Vipers.

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  87. I know you didn't come up with it, so I'm not blaming you, but "Celtic Vipers" is a terrible name for a tag team. Normally it's as easy as throwing two names together to make a team name, but in this case, it just doesn't work. I picture a snake dressed up like the Celtics logo, terrible mental image.

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  88. Vince isn't stupid.


    He knows when guys are too over to be he heels anymore. Hell, I doubt Vince could really get heel heat on a regular basis anymore.

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  89. I think it was more in reference to the fact that every new name in devopmental these days is shit like Slash Finnigan, Alston McGreggor or some random shit like that

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  90. Excuse me, John Cena is still going out there professing to be a babyface. At best, he's getting mixed reactions; at worst, bunch of arenas are outright hostile to him. I'm not saying Vince isn't stupid, but he clearly doesn't care about fan reactions.



    It's not just about Vince, though. It doesn't seem like Punk likes being a face. He seems more comfortable and likes being a heel, so I imagine if he has any say in it, he's going to do what he can to make people boo him. Whether he can do it is another story all together, but I don't think he's going to go out there with the intention of having people cheer him.

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  91. You know, that wouldn't be a bad promotion. Pick five fans in a contest and let them write RAW.

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  92. Yeah. I remember when it was a big deal that Razor Ramon was a FOUR-time Intercontinental champion back in the day.

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  93. Hey, I'm not saying Vince isn't stubborn about keeping people face.


    But has he ever kept somebody heel after they've reached the "Flair-point"?

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  94. Um...


    CM Punk?


    :-)

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  95. Yeah, it reminds me of when the WWF had DOA, The Nation of Domination, Los Boricuas, the Hart Foundation, DX, and the Truth Commission in late 1997.

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  96. That would be a great angle, but that's why it won't be done. Might confuse the kiddos.

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  97. The Stalker gimmick could've worked in 1996, but I think Marc Mero didn't like the idea of the Stalker going after Sable. The original character was supposed to be a heel and feud with Mero, but when he was made a face it just didn't work.

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